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Bhaskar

VA is a different Ball game unlike JR [JR is free for all no moderation if u see the no of personal battles, views in it as I can see from Jan] and VA IS STRICTLY MODERATED by the owner, moderators, no one needs to complain

In JR u get auto post in VA they see and upload all by evenings only all controversial mails will be left out strangely urs and prafullas went thru other day.

a rare day.

no heat is ever allowed and it is meant for sure serious ones

I HAVE BEEN INVITED by many say Arjunji, Sri ganesh, Prafulla, Nalinii, Swathi M a few names also to join there but i decline I am a member there just read some posts a few a month max

My hesitation is that we r basically rationalists from 2 generations my grand father an atheist I am a believer, so I AM GOOD IN ASTRO AREAS on religion, scriptures, shastra, mantra, tantra etc of VA I am sure going to fail never wanted to risk my name there.

I know prafulla knows some there but believe me he need NOT Complain the moderator is v strict and will act.

when i was banned in JR by some member selective cut and paste of some part of mails had got me banned I WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE either to say a word nor was warned before it.

but the one who got me banned did not know that the cut and paste was stale and I was in good touch with all who had initial understanding problems with me and are good friends stronger by the day.

so themselves wrote to moderator, group and got it reversed in 2hrs

so it is ur WORK ALONE that will speak for u not ur intentions, or assumptions no work with less tension read mails slowly and take time to react, for some time avoid discussions go to chart readings alone u will be fine.

and also dont YOU rememer when us aid will quit it was Prafulla who apologised though at that point of ur discussion it was not his fault still he did to bring u back as u were asnwerign charts he wasnt so wanted u back

he gave a text on Budha u felt was too long and did not read he ha supported what hewanted to say or argue and wantes others also to do like wise.

rest is people to see the archives if they have the patience I am doing this for the groups time sake not for anyone, I hope the group w will stick to astro issue more than personal battle ground for which they can use their private ID's

LEST HELP PEOPLE HERE THAT IS ALL THAT WE R HERE FOR

BUT MY STRONG WORK, FUNDAMENTAL IN JR has

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Learned Members and Friends ,

This is to inform You all that I have been unceremoniuosly debarred

from the Vedic Astrology Group today,

and without any intimation, notice or chance to explain.

Last evening I was advised by a good member and supporter, who told

me that since the member and

moderator/owner in question are known to each other since 15 years

You will not have a chance to stay here.

and that has what happened .

I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way of pushing me

out of there.

Also I have already given Public Apology to him on that Forum which

was not my liability

but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings between us.

But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step.

I would request You allto go through the first few mails copied

belowwhich will clearly show that

I was not the one who was interested in communication but was forced

to.

I knew from the first instance that I am being taken for a ride when

he first entered my

thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself out of it.

Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems with me here

and had to give Public apology

to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a student and gain

knowledge ,and why would he be interested in discussing with me

technically ?

This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of entering my thread.

I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to please check

and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this situation, but

was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand very well.

Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with him at times

which has been taken as some sort of

weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to fight till the last.

He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing

with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am always with

righteousness. Now many mails will foloow

and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I have not done.

My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr. Prafulla.

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary, Voluntary Decisions on

> > Abortions ?

> >

> > Dear Golden...,

> >

> > I have started gradually to like your views and second them.

> >

> > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a special soul is

> > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already entered or is

going

> > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can foresee that.

> > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold by Narada Muni

when

> > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born.

> > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of that time knew

> > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at that time and also

due

> > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son of God is going

to

> > arrive at a particular direction and a particular place.(By the

way

> > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last few centuries due

> > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to be the work of

Satan

> > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it was the practised

> > behind closed doors and still majority do not believe

unfortunately)

> >

> > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin according to Hindu

> > cultures and almost all cultures who are still left religious.

> >

> > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would consent to

abortion

> > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force her to abort.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here.

vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> If you have experienced such charts - may you please share your

experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any native's chart. I

will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or references. It

will help students like me to learn.

( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here how can one

judge ?)

> Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's perspective, mother's

perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective.

>

> I look forward to learn from your experience.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

My reply to Him

Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any chart or sins

to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any perspective from

any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro reasoning.

I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and folding hands

before You, believe that it can be the other way round, that I can

learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a student.

regards/Bhaskar.

His reply to the above mail.

Sir

I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is why, I requested

for astro

factors.

The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is very well

moderated and

focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be quite experienced-

I

requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I was not aware

that, you do

not have any astro data on it.

regards / Prafulla Gang

My reply to him which started all the trouble.

Sir,

Astro data required on what ?

a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously about Lord

Krishnas birth ?

b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ?

c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu cultures ?

d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ?

Data is required on above ?

I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail asking for Data

do not seem to be connected with the mail with which your mail was

attached.

Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding on us to

provide data required by anyone on his request.

Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed that the poster

does not have astro-data.

It may also be there that he does not want to enter into unnecessary

arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a gentleman.

It may also be there that my time I would like to spending

making predictions rather than pointless discussions leading to

nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose friendships,

You know better.

Last full week I have not entered into any arguments, on

Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen in the number of

predictions made to the querists.

Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data providing

wherever possible, and when situation demands and if cause is

educational and also if it comes as a request.

Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as request is well

understood by people over here.

I once again fold hands and request You to please treat me as your

student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me to progress and

not in any manner be any cause for my degress.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

Prashantkumar G B

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off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail.

[Guest guest]

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Bhaskarji,

Vedic-Astrology is highly moderated forum. In the first instance,

your mails will ne unmoderated, but after certain time(according to

ur body language thru ur message), ur messages will be moderated.

I remember, I exchanged some hot words regarding Kuja Dosha with a

certain person, who is a regular contributor in this forum too &

also that forum(needless to name him). However, there were some

misunderstandings with him, he thought I have accused him for Sade

Sati/KSY..which i dint meant. I was shocked at the devastating

condition of Astrology in bengal, & that was the purport of my

message.

After that, I was thrown out of VA, & i re-entered the forum, &

since then my contributions to VA is highly moderated. Be it any

discussion, reading or any announcement.

As i mentioned while reading ur chart, that you need to keep your

brains "cold" & "relaxed" else problems will be there.I said that

just by a mere look, never went deep into it.

U talked of duplicity then...but shall we roar at every instance of

duplicity??I have been subjected to many kind & types of

discrimination right from my childhood-----friend, relatives,

classmates, professors, teachers, even family remembers...But i kept

silent....The Omniscient is there...this is wut i feel...My mother

used to tell me right frm my childhood...it is not always wise to

scream when things r going in a wrong way.

I hope that both you & prafullaji will start contributing this

group, within very few days.

Thanq

With Humbleness,

Wish you all success,

 

http://gauravastro.150m.com

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Bhaskar

> VA is a different Ball game unlike JR [JR is free for all no

moderation if u see the no of personal battles, views in it as I

can see from Jan] and VA IS STRICTLY MODERATED by the owner,

moderators, no one needs to complain

> In JR u get auto post in VA they see and upload all by evenings

only all controversial mails will be left out strangely urs and

prafullas went thru other day.

> a rare day.

>

> no heat is ever allowed and it is meant for sure serious ones

>

> I HAVE BEEN INVITED by many say Arjunji, Sri ganesh, Prafulla,

Nalinii, Swathi M a few names also to join there but i decline I

am a member there just read some posts a few a month max

> My hesitation is that we r basically rationalists from 2

generations my grand father an atheist I am a believer, so I AM

GOOD IN ASTRO AREAS on religion, scriptures, shastra, mantra,

tantra etc of VA I am sure going to fail never wanted to risk my

name there.

>

> I know prafulla knows some there but believe me he need NOT

Complain the moderator is v strict and will act.

>

> when i was banned in JR by some member selective cut and paste

of some part of mails had got me banned I WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE

either to say a word nor was warned before it.

> but the one who got me banned did not know that the cut and

paste was stale and I was in good touch with all who had initial

understanding problems with me and are good friends stronger by the

day.

> so themselves wrote to moderator, group and got it reversed in

2hrs

> so it is ur WORK ALONE that will speak for u not ur intentions,

or assumptions no work with less tension read mails slowly and take

time to react, for some time avoid discussions go to chart readings

alone u will be fine.

>

> and also dont YOU rememer when us aid will quit it was

Prafulla who apologised though at that point of ur discussion it

was not his fault still he did to bring u back as u were asnwerign

charts he wasnt so wanted u back

>

> he gave a text on Budha u felt was too long and did not read he

ha supported what hewanted to say or argue and wantes others also

to do like wise.

>

> rest is people to see the archives if they have the patience I

am doing this for the groups time sake not for anyone, I hope the

group w will stick to astro issue more than personal battle ground

for which they can use their private ID's

>

> LEST HELP PEOPLE HERE THAT IS ALL THAT WE R HERE FOR

>

> BUT MY STRONG WORK, FUNDAMENTAL IN JR has

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote: Dear Learned

Members and Friends ,

>

> This is to inform You all that I have been unceremoniuosly

debarred

> from the Vedic Astrology Group today,

> and without any intimation, notice or chance to explain.

>

> Last evening I was advised by a good member and supporter, who

told

> me that since the member and

> moderator/owner in question are known to each other since 15

years

> You will not have a chance to stay here.

> and that has what happened .

>

> I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way of pushing

me

> out of there.

> Also I have already given Public Apology to him on that Forum

which

> was not my liability

> but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings between us.

> But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step.

>

> I would request You allto go through the first few mails copied

> belowwhich will clearly show that

> I was not the one who was interested in communication but was

forced

> to.

>

> I knew from the first instance that I am being taken for a ride

when

> he first entered my

> thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself out of it.

>

> Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems with me

here

> and had to give Public apology

> to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a student and

gain

> knowledge ,and why would he be interested in discussing with me

> technically ?

>

> This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of entering my

thread.

>

> I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to please

check

> and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this situation,

but

> was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand very well.

>

> Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with him at

times

> which has been taken as some sort of

> weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to fight till the

last.

> He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing

> with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am always with

> righteousness. Now many mails will foloow

> and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I have not

done.

>

> My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr. Prafulla.

>

>

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary, Voluntary

Decisions on

> > > Abortions ?

> > >

> > > Dear Golden...,

> > >

> > > I have started gradually to like your views and second them.

> > >

> > > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a special soul is

> > > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already entered or

is

> going

> > > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can foresee

that.

> > > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold by Narada

Muni

> when

> > > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born.

> > > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of that time

knew

> > > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at that time and

also

> due

> > > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son of God is

going

> to

> > > arrive at a particular direction and a particular place.(By

the

> way

> > > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last few

centuries due

> > > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to be the work

of

> Satan

> > > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it was the

practised

> > > behind closed doors and still majority do not believe

> unfortunately)

> > >

> > > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin according to

Hindu

> > > cultures and almost all cultures who are still left

religious.

> > >

> > > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would consent to

> abortion

> > > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force her to

abort.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

>

> Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here.

>

> vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > If you have experienced such charts - may you please share your

> experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any native's

chart. I

> will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or

references. It

> will help students like me to learn.

> ( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here how can one

> judge ?)

> > Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's perspective,

mother's

> perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective.

> >

> > I look forward to learn from your experience.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> My reply to Him

>

> Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any chart or

sins

> to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any perspective

from

> any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro reasoning.

> I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and folding hands

> before You, believe that it can be the other way round, that I

can

> learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a student.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> His reply to the above mail.

>

> Sir

>

> I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is why, I

requested

> for astro

> factors.

>

> The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is very well

> moderated and

> focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be quite

experienced-

> I

> requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I was not

aware

> that, you do

> not have any astro data on it.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> My reply to him which started all the trouble.

>

> Sir,

>

> Astro data required on what ?

>

> a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously about Lord

> Krishnas birth ?

> b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ?

> c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu cultures ?

> d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ?

>

> Data is required on above ?

> I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail asking for

Data

> do not seem to be connected with the mail with which your mail

was

> attached.

>

> Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding on us to

> provide data required by anyone on his request.

> Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed that the

poster

> does not have astro-data.

> It may also be there that he does not want to enter into

unnecessary

> arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a gentleman.

> It may also be there that my time I would like to spending

> making predictions rather than pointless discussions leading to

> nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose friendships,

> You know better.

> Last full week I have not entered into any arguments, on

> Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen in the

number of

> predictions made to the querists.

>

> Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data providing

> wherever possible, and when situation demands and if cause is

> educational and also if it comes as a request.

> Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as request is well

> understood by people over here.

>

> I once again fold hands and request You to please treat me as

your

> student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me to

progress and

> not in any manner be any cause for my degress.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Prashantkumar G B

>

> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

group but

> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

> Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also

>

> Personal ID astro.prashantkumar

> 09840051861

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail.

>

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