Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Garuv Good we both posted on similar lines I was defending VA alone VA, it is nuteal and strict just like i got invites to VA was also told that my occassional hot words will not be taken there, I had a few exchanges with 2-3 memebrs in JR and now r good friends even u , know we had some odd hot words but we did not take it too far either. and no situation where we push it to unrealsitic heioights help it is actually depths not heights so how do we climb nack from such pits? lets remain of firm ground. wrote: ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Bhaskarji, Vedic-Astrology is highly moderated forum. In the first instance, your mails will ne unmoderated, but after certain time(according to ur body language thru ur message), ur messages will be moderated. I remember, I exchanged some hot words regarding Kuja Dosha with a certain person, who is a regular contributor in this forum too & also that forum(needless to name him). However, there were some misunderstandings with him, he thought I have accused him for Sade Sati/KSY..which i dint meant. I was shocked at the devastating condition of Astrology in bengal, & that was the purport of my message. After that, I was thrown out of VA, & i re-entered the forum, & since then my contributions to VA is highly moderated. Be it any discussion, reading or any announcement. As i mentioned while reading ur chart, that you need to keep your brains "cold" & "relaxed" else problems will be there.I said that just by a mere look, never went deep into it. U talked of duplicity then...but shall we roar at every instance of duplicity??I have been subjected to many kind & types of discrimination right from my childhood-----friend, relatives, classmates, professors, teachers, even family remembers...But i kept silent....The Omniscient is there...this is wut i feel...My mother used to tell me right frm my childhood...it is not always wise to scream when things r going in a wrong way. I hope that both you & prafullaji will start contributing this group, within very few days. Thanq With Humbleness, Wish you all success, http://gauravastro.150m.com , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Bhaskar > VA is a different Ball game unlike JR [JR is free for all no moderation if u see the no of personal battles, views in it as I can see from Jan] and VA IS STRICTLY MODERATED by the owner, moderators, no one needs to complain > In JR u get auto post in VA they see and upload all by evenings only all controversial mails will be left out strangely urs and prafullas went thru other day. > a rare day. > > no heat is ever allowed and it is meant for sure serious ones > > I HAVE BEEN INVITED by many say Arjunji, Sri ganesh, Prafulla, Nalinii, Swathi M a few names also to join there but i decline I am a member there just read some posts a few a month max > My hesitation is that we r basically rationalists from 2 generations my grand father an atheist I am a believer, so I AM GOOD IN ASTRO AREAS on religion, scriptures, shastra, mantra, tantra etc of VA I am sure going to fail never wanted to risk my name there. > > I know prafulla knows some there but believe me he need NOT Complain the moderator is v strict and will act. > > when i was banned in JR by some member selective cut and paste of some part of mails had got me banned I WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE either to say a word nor was warned before it. > but the one who got me banned did not know that the cut and paste was stale and I was in good touch with all who had initial understanding problems with me and are good friends stronger by the day. > so themselves wrote to moderator, group and got it reversed in 2hrs > so it is ur WORK ALONE that will speak for u not ur intentions, or assumptions no work with less tension read mails slowly and take time to react, for some time avoid discussions go to chart readings alone u will be fine. > > and also dont YOU rememer when us aid will quit it was Prafulla who apologised though at that point of ur discussion it was not his fault still he did to bring u back as u were asnwerign charts he wasnt so wanted u back > > he gave a text on Budha u felt was too long and did not read he ha supported what hewanted to say or argue and wantes others also to do like wise. > > rest is people to see the archives if they have the patience I am doing this for the groups time sake not for anyone, I hope the group w will stick to astro issue more than personal battle ground for which they can use their private ID's > > LEST HELP PEOPLE HERE THAT IS ALL THAT WE R HERE FOR > > BUT MY STRONG WORK, FUNDAMENTAL IN JR has > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Learned Members and Friends , > > This is to inform You all that I have been unceremoniuosly debarred > from the Vedic Astrology Group today, > and without any intimation, notice or chance to explain. > > Last evening I was advised by a good member and supporter, who told > me that since the member and > moderator/owner in question are known to each other since 15 years > You will not have a chance to stay here. > and that has what happened . > > I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way of pushing me > out of there. > Also I have already given Public Apology to him on that Forum which > was not my liability > but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings between us. > But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step. > > I would request You allto go through the first few mails copied > belowwhich will clearly show that > I was not the one who was interested in communication but was forced > to. > > I knew from the first instance that I am being taken for a ride when > he first entered my > thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself out of it. > > Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems with me here > and had to give Public apology > to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a student and gain > knowledge ,and why would he be interested in discussing with me > technically ? > > This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of entering my thread. > > I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to please check > and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this situation, but > was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand very well. > > Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with him at times > which has been taken as some sort of > weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to fight till the last. > He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing > with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am always with > righteousness. Now many mails will foloow > and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I have not done. > > My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr. Prafulla. > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000 > > > vedic astrology > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary, Voluntary Decisions on > > > Abortions ? > > > > > > Dear Golden..., > > > > > > I have started gradually to like your views and second them. > > > > > > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a special soul is > > > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already entered or is > going > > > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can foresee that. > > > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold by Narada Muni > when > > > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born. > > > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of that time knew > > > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at that time and also > due > > > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son of God is going > to > > > arrive at a particular direction and a particular place.(By the > way > > > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last few centuries due > > > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to be the work of > Satan > > > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it was the practised > > > behind closed doors and still majority do not believe > unfortunately) > > > > > > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin according to Hindu > > > cultures and almost all cultures who are still left religious. > > > > > > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would consent to > abortion > > > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force her to abort. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here. > > vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > If you have experienced such charts - may you please share your > experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any native's chart. I > will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or references. It > will help students like me to learn. > ( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here how can one > judge ?) > > Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's perspective, mother's > perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective. > > > > I look forward to learn from your experience. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > My reply to Him > > Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any chart or sins > to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any perspective from > any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro reasoning. > I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and folding hands > before You, believe that it can be the other way round, that I can > learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a student. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > His reply to the above mail. > > Sir > > I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is why, I requested > for astro > factors. > > The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is very well > moderated and > focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be quite experienced- > I > requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I was not aware > that, you do > not have any astro data on it. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > My reply to him which started all the trouble. > > Sir, > > Astro data required on what ? > > a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously about Lord > Krishnas birth ? > b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ? > c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu cultures ? > d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ? > > Data is required on above ? > I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail asking for Data > do not seem to be connected with the mail with which your mail was > attached. > > Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding on us to > provide data required by anyone on his request. > Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed that the poster > does not have astro-data. > It may also be there that he does not want to enter into unnecessary > arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a gentleman. > It may also be there that my time I would like to spending > making predictions rather than pointless discussions leading to > nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose friendships, > You know better. > Last full week I have not entered into any arguments, on > Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen in the number of > predictions made to the querists. > > Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data providing > wherever possible, and when situation demands and if cause is > educational and also if it comes as a request. > Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as request is well > understood by people over here. > > I once again fold hands and request You to please treat me as your > student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me to progress and > not in any manner be any cause for my degress. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar > 09840051861 > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Bhaskarji, Prashantji and Gaurav, While it is sad to note the incident happenings, i feel there is a need to clarify the role of jyotish groups on the net... 1. Difference: VA and JR is totally different. VA is the school following guru parampara and it is for students of sri jagannath centre and the main purpose is to read the texts, discuss the texts with astro data and also try applying simultaneously in practical life. The free reading is permitted only keeping that in aim. The environment is one of gurugul system and the study of jyotish involves entire vedanta. All mailers have to abide and maintain the discipline and decorum of the gurugul. The mailers should bear in mind the serenity of the environment and utmost care shld be taken before posting. As the main focus is learning, the post should carry astro datas to support the theory advocated or atleast the mailer shld support later the theory advocated or written or conveyed through their posts. Otherwise it is liable to invite negative comments and subject to dismissal. As a member and student of sjc, i ve seen many discussions including arjunji's defense of jupiter, tatvamasi's defense of rahu/ketu and recently gaurav ghosh's kalasarpa yoga......if you see all the above discussions, it is backed with full data or astrological explanations to convince the members interested and that is the real spirit of study of jyotish and also the real motive of internet jyotish forums...all discussions are in true cordial environment understanding the guru shishya parampara and not allowing the personal relations to affect... Whereas JR is different altogether with main aim of astro discussion in an open environment..it is a democratic, open and unmoderated permitting all schools of thought except systems approach to astrology. But here also, the main purpose is discussion on astro principles and theories supported by astro data not with mere words n phrases. The preamble of the group clearly specifies it. 2. Free Readings: Neither VA nor JR encourages free reading as evident from the preamble of website page. If you go through the web page, it is clearly stated free readings cannot be demanded. While VA with its moderation, still maintains it, it is unfortunate to see JR is being slipped in this respect with these days only free readings are going on. I am not against free reading but i am against the concept of free readings taking the whole space of group primarily meant for astro discussion Abt the other issues in this respect, i am in introspection and will be back soon on the points raised in ur mails.. sriganeshh , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Garuv > Good we both posted on similar lines I was defending VA alone VA, it is nuteal and strict just like i got invites to VA was also told that my occassional hot words will not be taken there, I had a few exchanges with 2-3 memebrs in JR and now r good friends even u , know we had some odd hot words but we did not take it too far either. and no situation where we push it to unrealsitic heioights help it is actually depths not heights so how do we climb nack from such pits? lets remain of firm ground. > > > > > <gg_0202 wrote: ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Bhaskarji, > Vedic-Astrology is highly moderated forum. In the first instance, > your mails will ne unmoderated, but after certain time(according to > ur body language thru ur message), ur messages will be moderated. > I remember, I exchanged some hot words regarding Kuja Dosha with a > certain person, who is a regular contributor in this forum too & > also that forum(needless to name him). However, there were some > misunderstandings with him, he thought I have accused him for Sade > Sati/KSY..which i dint meant. I was shocked at the devastating > condition of Astrology in bengal, & that was the purport of my > message. > After that, I was thrown out of VA, & i re-entered the forum, & > since then my contributions to VA is highly moderated. Be it any > discussion, reading or any announcement. > As i mentioned while reading ur chart, that you need to keep your > brains "cold" & "relaxed" else problems will be there.I said that > just by a mere look, never went deep into it. > U talked of duplicity then...but shall we roar at every instance of > duplicity??I have been subjected to many kind & types of > discrimination right from my childhood-----friend, relatives, > classmates, professors, teachers, even family remembers...But i kept > silent....The Omniscient is there...this is wut i feel...My mother > used to tell me right frm my childhood...it is not always wise to > scream when things r going in a wrong way. > I hope that both you & prafullaji will start contributing this > group, within very few days. > Thanq > With Humbleness, > Wish you all success, > > http://gauravastro.150m.com > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskar > > VA is a different Ball game unlike JR [JR is free for all no > moderation if u see the no of personal battles, views in it as I > can see from Jan] and VA IS STRICTLY MODERATED by the owner, > moderators, no one needs to complain > > In JR u get auto post in VA they see and upload all by evenings > only all controversial mails will be left out strangely urs and > prafullas went thru other day. > > a rare day. > > > > no heat is ever allowed and it is meant for sure serious ones > > > > I HAVE BEEN INVITED by many say Arjunji, Sri ganesh, Prafulla, > Nalinii, Swathi M a few names also to join there but i decline I > am a member there just read some posts a few a month max > > My hesitation is that we r basically rationalists from 2 > generations my grand father an atheist I am a believer, so I AM > GOOD IN ASTRO AREAS on religion, scriptures, shastra, mantra, > tantra etc of VA I am sure going to fail never wanted to risk my > name there. > > > > I know prafulla knows some there but believe me he need NOT > Complain the moderator is v strict and will act. > > > > when i was banned in JR by some member selective cut and paste > of some part of mails had got me banned I WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE > either to say a word nor was warned before it. > > but the one who got me banned did not know that the cut and > paste was stale and I was in good touch with all who had initial > understanding problems with me and are good friends stronger by the > day. > > so themselves wrote to moderator, group and got it reversed in > 2hrs > > so it is ur WORK ALONE that will speak for u not ur intentions, > or assumptions no work with less tension read mails slowly and take > time to react, for some time avoid discussions go to chart readings > alone u will be fine. > > > > and also dont YOU rememer when us aid will quit it was > Prafulla who apologised though at that point of ur discussion it > was not his fault still he did to bring u back as u were asnwerign > charts he wasnt so wanted u back > > > > he gave a text on Budha u felt was too long and did not read he > ha supported what hewanted to say or argue and wantes others also > to do like wise. > > > > rest is people to see the archives if they have the patience I > am doing this for the groups time sake not for anyone, I hope the > group w will stick to astro issue more than personal battle ground > for which they can use their private ID's > > > > LEST HELP PEOPLE HERE THAT IS ALL THAT WE R HERE FOR > > > > BUT MY STRONG WORK, FUNDAMENTAL IN JR has > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: Dear Learned > Members and Friends , > > > > This is to inform You all that I have been unceremoniuosly > debarred > > from the Vedic Astrology Group today, > > and without any intimation, notice or chance to explain. > > > > Last evening I was advised by a good member and supporter, who > told > > me that since the member and > > moderator/owner in question are known to each other since 15 > years > > You will not have a chance to stay here. > > and that has what happened . > > > > I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way of pushing > me > > out of there. > > Also I have already given Public Apology to him on that Forum > which > > was not my liability > > but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings between us. > > But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step. > > > > I would request You allto go through the first few mails copied > > belowwhich will clearly show that > > I was not the one who was interested in communication but was > forced > > to. > > > > I knew from the first instance that I am being taken for a ride > when > > he first entered my > > thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself out of it. > > > > Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems with me > here > > and had to give Public apology > > to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a student and > gain > > knowledge ,and why would he be interested in discussing with me > > technically ? > > > > This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of entering my > thread. > > > > I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to please > check > > and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this situation, > but > > was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand very well. > > > > Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with him at > times > > which has been taken as some sort of > > weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to fight till the > last. > > He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing > > with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am always with > > righteousness. Now many mails will foloow > > and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I have not > done. > > > > My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr. Prafulla. > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000 > > > > vedic astrology > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary, Voluntary > Decisions on > > > > Abortions ? > > > > > > > > Dear Golden..., > > > > > > > > I have started gradually to like your views and second them. > > > > > > > > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a special soul is > > > > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already entered or > is > > going > > > > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can foresee > that. > > > > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold by Narada > Muni > > when > > > > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born. > > > > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of that time > knew > > > > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at that time and > also > > due > > > > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son of God is > going > > to > > > > arrive at a particular direction and a particular place. (By > the > > way > > > > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last few > centuries due > > > > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to be the work > of > > Satan > > > > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it was the > practised > > > > behind closed doors and still majority do not believe > > unfortunately) > > > > > > > > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin according to > Hindu > > > > cultures and almost all cultures who are still left > religious. > > > > > > > > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would consent to > > abortion > > > > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force her to > abort. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here. > > > > vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > If you have experienced such charts - may you please share your > > experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any native's > chart. I > > will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or > references. It > > will help students like me to learn. > > ( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here how can one > > judge ?) > > > Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's perspective, > mother's > > perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective. > > > > > > I look forward to learn from your experience. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > My reply to Him > > > > Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any chart or > sins > > to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any perspective > from > > any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro reasoning. > > I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and folding hands > > before You, believe that it can be the other way round, that I > can > > learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a student. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > His reply to the above mail. > > > > Sir > > > > I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is why, I > requested > > for astro > > factors. > > > > The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is very well > > moderated and > > focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be quite > experienced- > > I > > requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I was not > aware > > that, you do > > not have any astro data on it. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > My reply to him which started all the trouble. > > > > Sir, > > > > Astro data required on what ? > > > > a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously about Lord > > Krishnas birth ? > > b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ? > > c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu cultures ? > > d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ? > > > > Data is required on above ? > > I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail asking for > Data > > do not seem to be connected with the mail with which your mail > was > > attached. > > > > Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding on us to > > provide data required by anyone on his request. > > Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed that the > poster > > does not have astro-data. > > It may also be there that he does not want to enter into > unnecessary > > arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a gentleman. > > It may also be there that my time I would like to spending > > making predictions rather than pointless discussions leading to > > nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose friendships, > > You know better. > > Last full week I have not entered into any arguments, on > > Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen in the > number of > > predictions made to the querists. > > > > Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data providing > > wherever possible, and when situation demands and if cause is > > educational and also if it comes as a request. > > Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as request is well > > understood by people over here. > > > > I once again fold hands and request You to please treat me as > your > > student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me to > progress and > > not in any manner be any cause for my degress. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@ > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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