THE TRUTH 1/9 from otherside of the coin p2 viewpoint -- again

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Well said, Kumar ji!

 

That is why some Nations still celebrate their "WAR-Veterans" and all

the *unnecessary* wars they died in or if they were lucky (?)

survived through! It is sad though that their personal pain and

losses mean nothing to the youthful ipod/chat room/cybercasino

generations that we have to cater to and steer around! These happy

souls just get a day off each year (November 11 in Canada) and I

won't even dare say what *they* did this year (2006) to

**commemmorate** and celebrate that spiritual DAY -- this year!

Ironically, it was a veteran that caught them in their heinous 'act'!

 

It is almost as if the older generation has some karma to stay alert

and be the 'bad' guy/gal! WHY?? We are not immortal -- let the brats

fend for themselves, here and elsewhere!!

 

I know, I know -- my wish won't get done and we will keep jumping in

because of the sense of responsibility, or whatever!

 

I rest my weary case!

 

RR

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Garuv

> Good we both posted on similar lines I was defending VA alone

VA, it is nuteal and strict just like i got invites to VA was also

told that my occassional hot words will not be taken there, I had a

few exchanges with 2-3 memebrs in JR and now r good friends even u ,

know we had some odd hot words but we did not take it too far

either. and no situation where we push it to unrealsitic heioights

help it is actually depths not heights so how do we climb nack from

such pits? lets remain of firm ground.

>

>

>

>

> <gg_0202

wrote: ||Jai

Ramakrishna||

> Dear Bhaskarji,

> Vedic-Astrology is highly moderated forum. In the first instance,

> your mails will ne unmoderated, but after certain time(according

to

> ur body language thru ur message), ur messages will be moderated.

> I remember, I exchanged some hot words regarding Kuja Dosha with

a

> certain person, who is a regular contributor in this forum too &

> also that forum(needless to name him). However, there were some

> misunderstandings with him, he thought I have accused him for

Sade

> Sati/KSY..which i dint meant. I was shocked at the devastating

> condition of Astrology in bengal, & that was the purport of my

> message.

> After that, I was thrown out of VA, & i re-entered the forum, &

> since then my contributions to VA is highly moderated. Be it any

> discussion, reading or any announcement.

> As i mentioned while reading ur chart, that you need to keep your

> brains "cold" & "relaxed" else problems will be there.I said that

> just by a mere look, never went deep into it.

> U talked of duplicity then...but shall we roar at every instance

of

> duplicity??I have been subjected to many kind & types of

> discrimination right from my childhood-----friend, relatives,

> classmates, professors, teachers, even family remembers...But i

kept

> silent....The Omniscient is there...this is wut i feel...My

mother

> used to tell me right frm my childhood...it is not always wise to

> scream when things r going in a wrong way.

> I hope that both you & prafullaji will start contributing this

> group, within very few days.

> Thanq

> With Humbleness,

> Wish you all success,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar

> > VA is a different Ball game unlike JR [JR is free for all no

> moderation if u see the no of personal battles, views in it as I

> can see from Jan] and VA IS STRICTLY MODERATED by the owner,

> moderators, no one needs to complain

> > In JR u get auto post in VA they see and upload all by

evenings

> only all controversial mails will be left out strangely urs and

> prafullas went thru other day.

> > a rare day.

> >

> > no heat is ever allowed and it is meant for sure serious ones

> >

> > I HAVE BEEN INVITED by many say Arjunji, Sri ganesh,

Prafulla,

> Nalinii, Swathi M a few names also to join there but i decline

I

> am a member there just read some posts a few a month max

> > My hesitation is that we r basically rationalists from 2

> generations my grand father an atheist I am a believer, so I AM

> GOOD IN ASTRO AREAS on religion, scriptures, shastra, mantra,

> tantra etc of VA I am sure going to fail never wanted to risk my

> name there.

> >

> > I know prafulla knows some there but believe me he need NOT

> Complain the moderator is v strict and will act.

> >

> > when i was banned in JR by some member selective cut and

paste

> of some part of mails had got me banned I WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE

> either to say a word nor was warned before it.

> > but the one who got me banned did not know that the cut and

> paste was stale and I was in good touch with all who had initial

> understanding problems with me and are good friends stronger by

the

> day.

> > so themselves wrote to moderator, group and got it reversed

in

> 2hrs

> > so it is ur WORK ALONE that will speak for u not ur

intentions,

> or assumptions no work with less tension read mails slowly and

take

> time to react, for some time avoid discussions go to chart

readings

> alone u will be fine.

> >

> > and also dont YOU rememer when us aid will quit it was

> Prafulla who apologised though at that point of ur discussion it

> was not his fault still he did to bring u back as u were

asnwerign

> charts he wasnt so wanted u back

> >

> > he gave a text on Budha u felt was too long and did not read

he

> ha supported what hewanted to say or argue and wantes others

also

> to do like wise.

> >

> > rest is people to see the archives if they have the patience

I

> am doing this for the groups time sake not for anyone, I hope

the

> group w will stick to astro issue more than personal battle

ground

> for which they can use their private ID's

> >

> > LEST HELP PEOPLE HERE THAT IS ALL THAT WE R HERE FOR

> >

> > BUT MY STRONG WORK, FUNDAMENTAL IN JR has

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote: Dear

Learned

> Members and Friends ,

> >

> > This is to inform You all that I have been unceremoniuosly

> debarred

> > from the Vedic Astrology Group today,

> > and without any intimation, notice or chance to explain.

> >

> > Last evening I was advised by a good member and supporter,

who

> told

> > me that since the member and

> > moderator/owner in question are known to each other since 15

> years

> > You will not have a chance to stay here.

> > and that has what happened .

> >

> > I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way of

pushing

> me

> > out of there.

> > Also I have already given Public Apology to him on that Forum

> which

> > was not my liability

> > but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings between

us.

> > But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step.

> >

> > I would request You allto go through the first few mails

copied

> > belowwhich will clearly show that

> > I was not the one who was interested in communication but was

> forced

> > to.

> >

> > I knew from the first instance that I am being taken for a

ride

> when

> > he first entered my

> > thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself out of it.

> >

> > Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems with me

> here

> > and had to give Public apology

> > to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a student

and

> gain

> > knowledge ,and why would he be interested in discussing with

me

> > technically ?

> >

> > This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of entering my

> thread.

> >

> > I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to please

> check

> > and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this

situation,

> but

> > was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand very

well.

> >

> > Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with him at

> times

> > which has been taken as some sort of

> > weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to fight till

the

> last.

> > He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing

> > with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am always

with

> > righteousness. Now many mails will foloow

> > and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I have

not

> done.

> >

> > My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr. Prafulla.

> >

> >

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary, Voluntary

> Decisions on

> > > > Abortions ?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Golden...,

> > > >

> > > > I have started gradually to like your views and second

them.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a special

soul is

> > > > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already entered

or

> is

> > going

> > > > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can foresee

> that.

> > > > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold by Narada

> Muni

> > when

> > > > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born.

> > > > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of that

time

> knew

> > > > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at that time

and

> also

> > due

> > > > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son of God

is

> going

> > to

> > > > arrive at a particular direction and a particular place.

(By

> the

> > way

> > > > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last few

> centuries due

> > > > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to be the

work

> of

> > Satan

> > > > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it was the

> practised

> > > > behind closed doors and still majority do not believe

> > unfortunately)

> > > >

> > > > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin according

to

> Hindu

> > > > cultures and almost all cultures who are still left

> religious.

> > > >

> > > > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would consent

to

> > abortion

> > > > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force her to

> abort.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> >

> > Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here.

> >

> > vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > If you have experienced such charts - may you please share

your

> > experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any native's

> chart. I

> > will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or

> references. It

> > will help students like me to learn.

> > ( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here how can

one

> > judge ?)

> > > Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's perspective,

> mother's

> > perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective.

> > >

> > > I look forward to learn from your experience.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > My reply to Him

> >

> > Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any chart or

> sins

> > to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any

perspective

> from

> > any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro reasoning.

> > I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and folding

hands

> > before You, believe that it can be the other way round, that

I

> can

> > learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a student.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > His reply to the above mail.

> >

> > Sir

> >

> > I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is why, I

> requested

> > for astro

> > factors.

> >

> > The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is very

well

> > moderated and

> > focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be quite

> experienced-

> > I

> > requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I was not

> aware

> > that, you do

> > not have any astro data on it.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > My reply to him which started all the trouble.

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > Astro data required on what ?

> >

> > a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously about Lord

> > Krishnas birth ?

> > b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ?

> > c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu

cultures ?

> > d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ?

> >

> > Data is required on above ?

> > I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail asking

for

> Data

> > do not seem to be connected with the mail with which your

mail

> was

> > attached.

> >

> > Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding on us to

> > provide data required by anyone on his request.

> > Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed that

the

> poster

> > does not have astro-data.

> > It may also be there that he does not want to enter into

> unnecessary

> > arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a gentleman.

> > It may also be there that my time I would like to spending

> > making predictions rather than pointless discussions leading

to

> > nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose friendships,

> > You know better.

> > Last full week I have not entered into any arguments, on

> > Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen in the

> number of

> > predictions made to the querists.

> >

> > Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data providing

> > wherever possible, and when situation demands and if cause is

> > educational and also if it comes as a request.

> > Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as request is well

> > understood by people over here.

> >

> > I once again fold hands and request You to please treat me as

> your

> > student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me to

> progress and

> > not in any manner be any cause for my degress.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Prashantkumar G B

> >

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