THE TRUTH -----NOT FAIR TO OVER DO IT 2/9 p3

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Dear Sumit and Prashantji,

 

I think this thread is going on for too long....as i told in my last

mail that this group space is being clouded with free readings and

unnecessary expressions which can be avoided...

 

I am not against free readings but i have my own perceptions on free

readings. Occasionally if really some serious problems in the life

of native which really requires jyotish intervention, please go

ahead as it manava dharma otherwise i dont think it is big dharma

instead just a minute think are we not killing the SELF CONFIDENCE

and SELF BELIEF in the minds of the natives...observe the reading

requests, many of them are very young and they just put the data

asking for this and that...why you are wasting your time and energy

on all these not so serious questions..the other day erudite member

chandrasekharji also voiced his opinion on this aspect in VA..

 

This forum has witnessed best knowledgeable posts from many...to

quote for example, ranjanji, balaji, raghunath rao nemani, vattem

krishnanji, venkatarama sreelatha etc., see the languages and

analysis of theirs....also see the discussions entered in to between

them...no where the question of money has been raised in this forum

and it is a pity that this forum is being reduced to such a stage

where the main arguments are centred round money and nobody is

coming out truthfully what is going on behind...

 

so please leave all this and do concentrate on your work..

 

sriganeshh

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Sumit,

> u said what i have too but got stuck that there is money around

so i get a invite on VJ to moderate...!

> and I had also stopped Bhaskars 3 mails on JS for which Siddarth

sharma is owner and moderator is Rishav, Rishav and i had a short

dual too so how can he give me any role on this good/bad no way and

if replies r uploaded by someone making money and moderators having

a cut is the inference it is a big joke.

>

> I DON'T WANT TO STRETCH THIS FURTHER as it is not the intention

my intention is like what Sumit also said astrology is supreme not

individuals collectively we can make it brighter.

>

> Jyotishya is about jothi/ LIGHT

>

>

> Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000

wrote: Dear ALL

Friends,

>

> When I had joined this forum I didnt know that these mails are

also circulated and differences happens in forum. I would like to

pray to all that lets not throw mud on anyone. Lets not write

anything except for good cause and help for others. Lets spread

this beautiful knowledge of Astrology to all and learn and not to

question other peoples capability. If WE all work in cohesion the

astrology groups will be a force to reckon with.

>

> May God Bless ALL.

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Shri Prashant Sahab,

>

> Namste,

>

> Sir when You are not gulty then why are you hurt ?

> My mail was not intended for you or any of the good astrologers

> working over here.It was certainly meant for the other lot.

> Have I not been doing some little service here and do I not know

that

> there is no money here for grabbing ?

> Sir instead of taking me on, why not take those who have incited

me

> unnecessarily in ouster from VA, or this Maniv who we dont know,

> who unnecessarily used sarcasm on me ? Why not a word to him ?

> Sir please stand by right ideals, and judgemental one should be

> without any bias towards any one.

> When You say that here money is not there then why were my 3

replies

> to natives on Jyotish Shastra (One to a lady who was not having

> children for 11 years-Baby Hansiini) were moderated and not

allowed

> to be posted ?

> I believe You are the moderator there.

> I am not pointing fingers, but certainly we cannot deny that

potential

> is definitely there for astrologers to earn if they know the

right

> business tactics.

>

> If money is not there why are being people invited to other

Forums /

> Why are websites given to them or people asked to write on their

> private e mail ids ?

> Sir I can prove all this, but am not here to change the world,

> so I keep quiet.

> You are siding Maniv and showing sympathy for him, but did you

ask

> him why he had to write such stuff about me ?

> He said that " once again " You have said that You will stop

writing.

> which means that I have said before but started writing again.

> Sir so what great crime has been done on my part ?

> Even Lord NarSimhadeva was pacified by Bhakta Prahladafter

> Hiranykashyapu

> was killed by Him. So what to speak of us ordinary mortals, if

few

> good friends come, do some praising, make requests to come back,

dont

> we change our mind and once again become normal ?

> I am member at at least 22 Jyotish Forums here out of total 250,

but

> surely not writing on any one since last two days.

>

> Please Sir I request You not to make a punching bag of someone

at

> times also be a proper judge and then decide the punishment.

>

> affectionately,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar,

> >

> > this is sad that it is being said a few times once u said this

to

> arjun-ji [later t chellappa did to arjun ji] and Siam paccific

Kumar

> also said this in ur Re welcome thread that people r jealous of

> their income being reduced if anyone else comes and that is

absurd

> >

> > Ashutosh ji has clearly said this apart from me on this that

few

> really pay, I hope someone will really come up and say there is

> chance to make money here NO WAY of the 6k members here 5-9

astros

> max 5 avg write and u were also there in 2 months I am here from

7

> months surely can tell there is no money to me made here if that

is

> the objective surely people will be disappointed sure.

> >

> > I came here when a friend said there is a group where

> discussions are thee saw the trend for a few days and a few good

> students and some senior exchange good threads and felt I can

put

> some of my 26 yr experience also to some use if it helps their

> learning curve we did not have these and sheer glory of the

subject

> keeps me here no other consideration. a lamp can light many lams

> without loosing its glow but gives more light tot the room, this

> mus be and surely is the mood here. NOT MONEY surely if any one

has

> made money let Bhakar know privately at least how much can be

made.

> >

> > AND WHAT SPEAKS FOR US IS WHAT WE SHARE, GIVE HERE, anything

that

> comes ur way say recognition, name, fame at times so odd paid

> reading some have surely you cant survive on this if it is a

plan

> for anyone.

> >

> > I posted a mail on 26th about what i made here also it stands.

> >

> > Maniv i am sure isa reader here max not seen him post replies

so

> what way willl his income be lost....? so take time u need not

reply

> to any such thread but work on charts it wil take u where u want

to.

> >

> > PLEASE RESPECT THE SUBJECT AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT, anything

> that you do say to hurt other astros will also hurt you if u

remain

> in the astro field as WHAT GOES AROUND COMES COMES AROUND....!

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote: Maniv,

> >

> > Yes I am true to my words, I have stopped writing on all the

> Forums,

> > since the day I mentioned that. Yesterday one Notice was given

> > to all of You so that few like you may get the required

happiness,

> > about my ouster from VA, and the other mail given to

Mr.Ganeshji

> was

> > by mistake posted on the Forum instead of going directly.,to

him.

> >

> > I have not written to a single native here asking for

help,dont

> worry,

> > I leave all business for You and will not give free service, I

> will

> > not make any losses to your or your lot, rest assure.

> >

> > Do not provoke me into writing anything further.

> > Whenever that is done, I will strike back,I am not away,

> > just behind the screen.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "maniv1321"

<maniv1321@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello again Mr.Bhaskar

> > >

> > > Didn't you announce a few days ago that you had decided

(once

> > > again!) to stop posting on these forums?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Maniv

> > >

> > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Learned Members and Friends ,

> > > >

> > > > This is to inform You all that I have been unceremoniuosly

> > > debarred

> > > > from the Vedic Astrology Group today,

> > > > and without any intimation, notice or chance to explain.

> > > >

> > > > Last evening I was advised by a good member and supporter,

> who

> > > told

> > > > me that since the member and

> > > > moderator/owner in question are known to each other since

15

> > years

> > > > You will not have a chance to stay here.

> > > > and that has what happened .

> > > >

> > > > I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way of

> pushing

> > me

> > > > out of there.

> > > > Also I have already given Public Apology to him on that

Forum

> > > which

> > > > was not my liability

> > > > but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings

between

> us.

> > > > But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step.

> > > >

> > > > I would request You allto go through the first few mails

> copied

> > > > belowwhich will clearly show that

> > > > I was not the one who was interested in communication but

was

> > > forced

> > > > to.

> > > >

> > > > I knew from the first instance that I am being taken for a

> ride

> > > when

> > > > he first entered my

> > > > thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself out of

it.

> > > >

> > > > Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems with

me

> > here

> > > > and had to give Public apology

> > > > to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a

student

> and

> > > gain

> > > > knowledge ,and why would he be interested in discussing

with

> me

> > > > technically ?

> > > >

> > > > This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of entering

my

> > > thread.

> > > >

> > > > I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to

please

> > check

> > > > and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this

> situation,

> > > but

> > > > was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand very

> well.

> > > >

> > > > Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with him

at

> times

> > > > which has been taken as some sort of

> > > > weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to fight

till

> the

> > > last.

> > > > He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing

> > > > with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am always

> with

> > > > righteousness. Now many mails will foloow

> > > > and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I have

> not

> > > done.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr. Prafulla.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary, Voluntary

> > > Decisions on

> > > > > > Abortions ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Golden...,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have started gradually to like your views and second

> them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a special

> soul is

> > > > > > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already

entered

> or is

> > > > going

> > > > > > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can

foresee

> > that.

> > > > > > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold by

Narada

> Muni

> > > > when

> > > > > > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born.

> > > > > > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of that

> time

> > > knew

> > > > > > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at that

time

> and

> > > also

> > > > due

> > > > > > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son of

God

> is

> > > going

> > > > to

> > > > > > arrive at a particular direction and a particular

place.

> (By

> > the

> > > > way

> > > > > > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last few

> > centuries

> > > due

> > > > > > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to be

the

> work

> > of

> > > > Satan

> > > > > > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it was

the

> > > practised

> > > > > > behind closed doors and still majority do not believe

> > > > unfortunately)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin

according

> to

> > > Hindu

> > > > > > cultures and almost all cultures who are still left

> religious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would

consent

> to

> > > > abortion

> > > > > > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force her

to

> abort.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have experienced such charts - may you please

share

> your

> > > > experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any

native's

> > > chart. I

> > > > will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or

> references.

> > > It

> > > > will help students like me to learn.

> > > > ( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here how can

> one

> > > > judge ?)

> > > > > Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's perspective,

> > mother's

> > > > perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective.

> > > > >

> > > > > I look forward to learn from your experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > My reply to Him

> > > >

> > > > Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any chart

or

> sins

> > > > to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any

> perspective

> > from

> > > > any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro reasoning.

> > > > I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and

folding

> hands

> > > > before You, believe that it can be the other way round,

that

> I can

> > > > learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a

student.

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > His reply to the above mail.

> > > >

> > > > Sir

> > > >

> > > > I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is why, I

> > requested

> > > > for astro

> > > > factors.

> > > >

> > > > The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is very

> well

> > > > moderated and

> > > > focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be quite

> > > experienced-

> > > > I

> > > > requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I was

not

> > > aware

> > > > that, you do

> > > > not have any astro data on it.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > My reply to him which started all the trouble.

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Astro data required on what ?

> > > >

> > > > a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously about

Lord

> > > > Krishnas birth ?

> > > > b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ?

> > > > c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu

> cultures ?

> > > > d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ?

> > > >

> > > > Data is required on above ?

> > > > I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail asking

> for

> > Data

> > > > do not seem to be connected with the mail with which your

> mail was

> > > > attached.

> > > >

> > > > Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding on

us to

> > > > provide data required by anyone on his request.

> > > > Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed that

> the

> > > poster

> > > > does not have astro-data.

> > > > It may also be there that he does not want to enter into

> > > unnecessary

> > > > arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a gentleman.

> > > > It may also be there that my time I would like to spending

> > > > making predictions rather than pointless discussions

leading

> to

> > > > nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose friendships,

> > > > You know better.

> > > > Last full week I have not entered into any arguments, on

> > > > Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen in

the

> > number

> > > of

> > > > predictions made to the querists.

> > > >

> > > > Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data

providing

> > > > wherever possible, and when situation demands and if cause

is

> > > > educational and also if it comes as a request.

> > > > Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as request is

well

> > > > understood by people over here.

> > > >

> > > > I once again fold hands and request You to please treat me

as

> your

> > > > student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me to

> progress

> > > and

> > > > not in any manner be any cause for my degress.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Prashantkumar G B

> >

> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

 

> group but

> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

phone.

> > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also

> >

> > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@

> > 09840051861

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get

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> done faster.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri and others --

 

The *space* is yours/Ours to use and FILL!

 

Choices are limited as we users/members have explored in the last

while.

 

What you want here is what you will see and get!

 

Controlling what you want to read when you log-in depends upon what

and how you post!

 

None of this engtagement will ever be wasted!

 

I know what I am talking about!!

 

I hope you ask questions -- even if some may remain unanswered!

 

RR

 

 

, "sriganeshh"

<sriganeshh wrote:

>

> Dear Sumit and Prashantji,

>

> I think this thread is going on for too long....as i told in my

last

> mail that this group space is being clouded with free readings and

> unnecessary expressions which can be avoided...

>

> I am not against free readings but i have my own perceptions on

free

> readings. Occasionally if really some serious problems in the life

> of native which really requires jyotish intervention, please go

> ahead as it manava dharma otherwise i dont think it is big dharma

> instead just a minute think are we not killing the SELF CONFIDENCE

> and SELF BELIEF in the minds of the natives...observe the reading

> requests, many of them are very young and they just put the data

> asking for this and that...why you are wasting your time and energy

> on all these not so serious questions..the other day erudite member

> chandrasekharji also voiced his opinion on this aspect in VA..

>

> This forum has witnessed best knowledgeable posts from many...to

> quote for example, ranjanji, balaji, raghunath rao nemani, vattem

> krishnanji, venkatarama sreelatha etc., see the languages and

> analysis of theirs....also see the discussions entered in to

between

> them...no where the question of money has been raised in this forum

> and it is a pity that this forum is being reduced to such a stage

> where the main arguments are centred round money and nobody is

> coming out truthfully what is going on behind...

>

> so please leave all this and do concentrate on your work..

>

> sriganeshh

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Sumit,

> > u said what i have too but got stuck that there is money around

> so i get a invite on VJ to moderate...!

> > and I had also stopped Bhaskars 3 mails on JS for which

Siddarth

> sharma is owner and moderator is Rishav, Rishav and i had a short

> dual too so how can he give me any role on this good/bad no way

and

> if replies r uploaded by someone making money and moderators

having

> a cut is the inference it is a big joke.

> >

> > I DON'T WANT TO STRETCH THIS FURTHER as it is not the intention

> my intention is like what Sumit also said astrology is supreme not

> individuals collectively we can make it brighter.

> >

> > Jyotishya is about jothi/ LIGHT

> >

> >

> > Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000@>

> wrote: Dear ALL

> Friends,

> >

> > When I had joined this forum I didnt know that these mails are

> also circulated and differences happens in forum. I would like to

> pray to all that lets not throw mud on anyone. Lets not write

> anything except for good cause and help for others. Lets spread

> this beautiful knowledge of Astrology to all and learn and not to

> question other peoples capability. If WE all work in cohesion the

> astrology groups will be a force to reckon with.

> >

> > May God Bless ALL.

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > Shri Prashant Sahab,

> >

> > Namste,

> >

> > Sir when You are not gulty then why are you hurt ?

> > My mail was not intended for you or any of the good astrologers

> > working over here.It was certainly meant for the other lot.

> > Have I not been doing some little service here and do I not

know

> that

> > there is no money here for grabbing ?

> > Sir instead of taking me on, why not take those who have

incited

> me

> > unnecessarily in ouster from VA, or this Maniv who we dont know,

> > who unnecessarily used sarcasm on me ? Why not a word to him ?

> > Sir please stand by right ideals, and judgemental one should be

> > without any bias towards any one.

> > When You say that here money is not there then why were my 3

> replies

> > to natives on Jyotish Shastra (One to a lady who was not having

> > children for 11 years-Baby Hansiini) were moderated and not

> allowed

> > to be posted ?

> > I believe You are the moderator there.

> > I am not pointing fingers, but certainly we cannot deny that

> potential

> > is definitely there for astrologers to earn if they know the

> right

> > business tactics.

> >

> > If money is not there why are being people invited to other

> Forums /

> > Why are websites given to them or people asked to write on

their

> > private e mail ids ?

> > Sir I can prove all this, but am not here to change the world,

> > so I keep quiet.

> > You are siding Maniv and showing sympathy for him, but did you

> ask

> > him why he had to write such stuff about me ?

> > He said that " once again " You have said that You will stop

> writing.

> > which means that I have said before but started writing again.

> > Sir so what great crime has been done on my part ?

> > Even Lord NarSimhadeva was pacified by Bhakta Prahladafter

> > Hiranykashyapu

> > was killed by Him. So what to speak of us ordinary mortals, if

> few

> > good friends come, do some praising, make requests to come

back,

> dont

> > we change our mind and once again become normal ?

> > I am member at at least 22 Jyotish Forums here out of total

250,

> but

> > surely not writing on any one since last two days.

> >

> > Please Sir I request You not to make a punching bag of someone

> at

> > times also be a proper judge and then decide the punishment.

> >

> > affectionately,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > this is sad that it is being said a few times once u said

this

> to

> > arjun-ji [later t chellappa did to arjun ji] and Siam paccific

> Kumar

> > also said this in ur Re welcome thread that people r jealous of

> > their income being reduced if anyone else comes and that is

> absurd

> > >

> > > Ashutosh ji has clearly said this apart from me on this that

> few

> > really pay, I hope someone will really come up and say there is

> > chance to make money here NO WAY of the 6k members here 5-9

> astros

> > max 5 avg write and u were also there in 2 months I am here

from

> 7

> > months surely can tell there is no money to me made here if

that

> is

> > the objective surely people will be disappointed sure.

> > >

> > > I came here when a friend said there is a group where

> > discussions are thee saw the trend for a few days and a few

good

> > students and some senior exchange good threads and felt I can

> put

> > some of my 26 yr experience also to some use if it helps their

> > learning curve we did not have these and sheer glory of the

> subject

> > keeps me here no other consideration. a lamp can light many

lams

> > without loosing its glow but gives more light tot the room,

this

> > mus be and surely is the mood here. NOT MONEY surely if any one

> has

> > made money let Bhakar know privately at least how much can be

> made.

> > >

> > > AND WHAT SPEAKS FOR US IS WHAT WE SHARE, GIVE HERE, anything

> that

> > comes ur way say recognition, name, fame at times so odd paid

> > reading some have surely you cant survive on this if it is a

> plan

> > for anyone.

> > >

> > > I posted a mail on 26th about what i made here also it stands.

> > >

> > > Maniv i am sure isa reader here max not seen him post replies

> so

> > what way willl his income be lost....? so take time u need not

> reply

> > to any such thread but work on charts it wil take u where u

want

> to.

> > >

> > > PLEASE RESPECT THE SUBJECT AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT, anything

> > that you do say to hurt other astros will also hurt you if u

> remain

> > in the astro field as WHAT GOES AROUND COMES COMES AROUND....!

> > >

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote: Maniv,

> > >

> > > Yes I am true to my words, I have stopped writing on all the

> > Forums,

> > > since the day I mentioned that. Yesterday one Notice was given

> > > to all of You so that few like you may get the required

> happiness,

> > > about my ouster from VA, and the other mail given to

> Mr.Ganeshji

> > was

> > > by mistake posted on the Forum instead of going directly.,to

> him.

> > >

> > > I have not written to a single native here asking for

> help,dont

> > worry,

> > > I leave all business for You and will not give free service,

I

> > will

> > > not make any losses to your or your lot, rest assure.

> > >

> > > Do not provoke me into writing anything further.

> > > Whenever that is done, I will strike back,I am not away,

> > > just behind the screen.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , "maniv1321"

> <maniv1321@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello again Mr.Bhaskar

> > > >

> > > > Didn't you announce a few days ago that you had decided

> (once

> > > > again!) to stop posting on these forums?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Maniv

> > > >

> > > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned Members and Friends ,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is to inform You all that I have been

unceremoniuosly

> > > > debarred

> > > > > from the Vedic Astrology Group today,

> > > > > and without any intimation, notice or chance to explain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Last evening I was advised by a good member and

supporter,

> > who

> > > > told

> > > > > me that since the member and

> > > > > moderator/owner in question are known to each other since

> 15

> > > years

> > > > > You will not have a chance to stay here.

> > > > > and that has what happened .

> > > > >

> > > > > I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way of

> > pushing

> > > me

> > > > > out of there.

> > > > > Also I have already given Public Apology to him on that

> Forum

> > > > which

> > > > > was not my liability

> > > > > but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings

> between

> > us.

> > > > > But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would request You allto go through the first few mails

> > copied

> > > > > belowwhich will clearly show that

> > > > > I was not the one who was interested in communication but

> was

> > > > forced

> > > > > to.

> > > > >

> > > > > I knew from the first instance that I am being taken for

a

> > ride

> > > > when

> > > > > he first entered my

> > > > > thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself out of

> it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems

with

> me

> > > here

> > > > > and had to give Public apology

> > > > > to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a

> student

> > and

> > > > gain

> > > > > knowledge ,and why would he be interested in discussing

> with

> > me

> > > > > technically ?

> > > > >

> > > > > This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of entering

> my

> > > > thread.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to

> please

> > > check

> > > > > and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this

> > situation,

> > > > but

> > > > > was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand very

> > well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with him

> at

> > times

> > > > > which has been taken as some sort of

> > > > > weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to fight

> till

> > the

> > > > last.

> > > > > He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing

> > > > > with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am

always

> > with

> > > > > righteousness. Now many mails will foloow

> > > > > and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I

have

> > not

> > > > done.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr. Prafulla.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary, Voluntary

> > > > Decisions on

> > > > > > > Abortions ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Golden...,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have started gradually to like your views and

second

> > them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a special

> > soul is

> > > > > > > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already

> entered

> > or is

> > > > > going

> > > > > > > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can

> foresee

> > > that.

> > > > > > > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold by

> Narada

> > Muni

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born.

> > > > > > > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of

that

> > time

> > > > knew

> > > > > > > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at that

> time

> > and

> > > > also

> > > > > due

> > > > > > > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son of

> God

> > is

> > > > going

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > arrive at a particular direction and a particular

> place.

> > (By

> > > the

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last few

> > > centuries

> > > > due

> > > > > > > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to be

> the

> > work

> > > of

> > > > > Satan

> > > > > > > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it was

> the

> > > > practised

> > > > > > > behind closed doors and still majority do not believe

> > > > > unfortunately)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin

> according

> > to

> > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > cultures and almost all cultures who are still left

> > religious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would

> consent

> > to

> > > > > abortion

> > > > > > > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force her

> to

> > abort.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have experienced such charts - may you please

> share

> > your

> > > > > experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any

> native's

> > > > chart. I

> > > > > will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or

> > references.

> > > > It

> > > > > will help students like me to learn.

> > > > > ( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here how

can

> > one

> > > > > judge ?)

> > > > > > Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's

perspective,

> > > mother's

> > > > > perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I look forward to learn from your experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > My reply to Him

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any

chart

> or

> > sins

> > > > > to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any

> > perspective

> > > from

> > > > > any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro

reasoning.

> > > > > I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and

> folding

> > hands

> > > > > before You, believe that it can be the other way round,

> that

> > I can

> > > > > learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a

> student.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > His reply to the above mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is why, I

> > > requested

> > > > > for astro

> > > > > factors.

> > > > >

> > > > > The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is

very

> > well

> > > > > moderated and

> > > > > focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be quite

> > > > experienced-

> > > > > I

> > > > > requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I was

> not

> > > > aware

> > > > > that, you do

> > > > > not have any astro data on it.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > My reply to him which started all the trouble.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Astro data required on what ?

> > > > >

> > > > > a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously about

> Lord

> > > > > Krishnas birth ?

> > > > > b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ?

> > > > > c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu

> > cultures ?

> > > > > d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Data is required on above ?

> > > > > I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail

asking

> > for

> > > Data

> > > > > do not seem to be connected with the mail with which your

> > mail was

> > > > > attached.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding on

> us to

> > > > > provide data required by anyone on his request.

> > > > > Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed

that

> > the

> > > > poster

> > > > > does not have astro-data.

> > > > > It may also be there that he does not want to enter into

> > > > unnecessary

> > > > > arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a

gentleman.

> > > > > It may also be there that my time I would like to spending

> > > > > making predictions rather than pointless discussions

> leading

> > to

> > > > > nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose

friendships,

> > > > > You know better.

> > > > > Last full week I have not entered into any arguments, on

> > > > > Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen in

> the

> > > number

> > > > of

> > > > > predictions made to the querists.

> > > > >

> > > > > Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data

> providing

> > > > > wherever possible, and when situation demands and if

cause

> is

> > > > > educational and also if it comes as a request.

> > > > > Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as request is

> well

> > > > > understood by people over here.

> > > > >

> > > > > I once again fold hands and request You to please treat

me

> as

> > your

> > > > > student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me to

> > progress

> > > > and

> > > > > not in any manner be any cause for my degress.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Prashantkumar G B

> > >

> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>

> > group but

> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> phone.

> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also

> > >

> > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@

> > > 09840051861

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get

> things

> > done faster.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear RRji,

 

i am poor in english..!!! and knowing you is easy rather

understanding ur english is very very difficult... but i will never

ask question since i know you....

specially not today ...knowing pretty well that today is ur day with

lot of rasagullas..!!!

 

sriganeshh

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Sri and others --

>

> The *space* is yours/Ours to use and FILL!

>

> Choices are limited as we users/members have explored in the last

> while.

>

> What you want here is what you will see and get!

>

> Controlling what you want to read when you log-in depends upon

what

> and how you post!

>

> None of this engtagement will ever be wasted!

>

> I know what I am talking about!!

>

> I hope you ask questions -- even if some may remain unanswered!

>

> RR

>

>

> , "sriganeshh"

> <sriganeshh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sumit and Prashantji,

> >

> > I think this thread is going on for too long....as i told in my

> last

> > mail that this group space is being clouded with free readings

and

> > unnecessary expressions which can be avoided...

> >

> > I am not against free readings but i have my own perceptions on

> free

> > readings. Occasionally if really some serious problems in the

life

> > of native which really requires jyotish intervention, please go

> > ahead as it manava dharma otherwise i dont think it is big

dharma

> > instead just a minute think are we not killing the SELF

CONFIDENCE

> > and SELF BELIEF in the minds of the natives...observe the

reading

> > requests, many of them are very young and they just put the data

> > asking for this and that...why you are wasting your time and

energy

> > on all these not so serious questions..the other day erudite

member

> > chandrasekharji also voiced his opinion on this aspect in VA..

> >

> > This forum has witnessed best knowledgeable posts from many...to

> > quote for example, ranjanji, balaji, raghunath rao nemani,

vattem

> > krishnanji, venkatarama sreelatha etc., see the languages and

> > analysis of theirs....also see the discussions entered in to

> between

> > them...no where the question of money has been raised in this

forum

> > and it is a pity that this forum is being reduced to such a

stage

> > where the main arguments are centred round money and nobody is

> > coming out truthfully what is going on behind...

> >

> > so please leave all this and do concentrate on your work..

> >

> > sriganeshh

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sumit,

> > > u said what i have too but got stuck that there is money

around

> > so i get a invite on VJ to moderate...!

> > > and I had also stopped Bhaskars 3 mails on JS for which

> Siddarth

> > sharma is owner and moderator is Rishav, Rishav and i had a

short

> > dual too so how can he give me any role on this good/bad no way

> and

> > if replies r uploaded by someone making money and moderators

> having

> > a cut is the inference it is a big joke.

> > >

> > > I DON'T WANT TO STRETCH THIS FURTHER as it is not the

intention

> > my intention is like what Sumit also said astrology is supreme

not

> > individuals collectively we can make it brighter.

> > >

> > > Jyotishya is about jothi/ LIGHT

> > >

> > >

> > > Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000@>

> > wrote: Dear ALL

> > Friends,

> > >

> > > When I had joined this forum I didnt know that these mails

are

> > also circulated and differences happens in forum. I would like

to

> > pray to all that lets not throw mud on anyone. Lets not write

> > anything except for good cause and help for others. Lets spread

> > this beautiful knowledge of Astrology to all and learn and not

to

> > question other peoples capability. If WE all work in cohesion

the

> > astrology groups will be a force to reckon with.

> > >

> > > May God Bless ALL.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > Shri Prashant Sahab,

> > >

> > > Namste,

> > >

> > > Sir when You are not gulty then why are you hurt ?

> > > My mail was not intended for you or any of the good

astrologers

> > > working over here.It was certainly meant for the other lot.

> > > Have I not been doing some little service here and do I not

> know

> > that

> > > there is no money here for grabbing ?

> > > Sir instead of taking me on, why not take those who have

> incited

> > me

> > > unnecessarily in ouster from VA, or this Maniv who we dont

know,

> > > who unnecessarily used sarcasm on me ? Why not a word to

him ?

> > > Sir please stand by right ideals, and judgemental one should

be

> > > without any bias towards any one.

> > > When You say that here money is not there then why were my 3

> > replies

> > > to natives on Jyotish Shastra (One to a lady who was not

having

> > > children for 11 years-Baby Hansiini) were moderated and not

> > allowed

> > > to be posted ?

> > > I believe You are the moderator there.

> > > I am not pointing fingers, but certainly we cannot deny that

> > potential

> > > is definitely there for astrologers to earn if they know the

> > right

> > > business tactics.

> > >

> > > If money is not there why are being people invited to other

> > Forums /

> > > Why are websites given to them or people asked to write on

> their

> > > private e mail ids ?

> > > Sir I can prove all this, but am not here to change the

world,

> > > so I keep quiet.

> > > You are siding Maniv and showing sympathy for him, but did

you

> > ask

> > > him why he had to write such stuff about me ?

> > > He said that " once again " You have said that You will stop

> > writing.

> > > which means that I have said before but started writing

again.

> > > Sir so what great crime has been done on my part ?

> > > Even Lord NarSimhadeva was pacified by Bhakta Prahladafter

> > > Hiranykashyapu

> > > was killed by Him. So what to speak of us ordinary mortals,

if

> > few

> > > good friends come, do some praising, make requests to come

> back,

> > dont

> > > we change our mind and once again become normal ?

> > > I am member at at least 22 Jyotish Forums here out of total

> 250,

> > but

> > > surely not writing on any one since last two days.

> > >

> > > Please Sir I request You not to make a punching bag of

someone

> > at

> > > times also be a proper judge and then decide the punishment.

> > >

> > > affectionately,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > this is sad that it is being said a few times once u said

> this

> > to

> > > arjun-ji [later t chellappa did to arjun ji] and Siam

paccific

> > Kumar

> > > also said this in ur Re welcome thread that people r jealous

of

> > > their income being reduced if anyone else comes and that is

> > absurd

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh ji has clearly said this apart from me on this

that

> > few

> > > really pay, I hope someone will really come up and say there

is

> > > chance to make money here NO WAY of the 6k members here 5-9

> > astros

> > > max 5 avg write and u were also there in 2 months I am here

> from

> > 7

> > > months surely can tell there is no money to me made here if

> that

> > is

> > > the objective surely people will be disappointed sure.

> > > >

> > > > I came here when a friend said there is a group where

> > > discussions are thee saw the trend for a few days and a few

> good

> > > students and some senior exchange good threads and felt I

can

> > put

> > > some of my 26 yr experience also to some use if it helps

their

> > > learning curve we did not have these and sheer glory of the

> > subject

> > > keeps me here no other consideration. a lamp can light many

> lams

> > > without loosing its glow but gives more light tot the room,

> this

> > > mus be and surely is the mood here. NOT MONEY surely if any

one

> > has

> > > made money let Bhakar know privately at least how much can

be

> > made.

> > > >

> > > > AND WHAT SPEAKS FOR US IS WHAT WE SHARE, GIVE HERE,

anything

> > that

> > > comes ur way say recognition, name, fame at times so odd

paid

> > > reading some have surely you cant survive on this if it is a

> > plan

> > > for anyone.

> > > >

> > > > I posted a mail on 26th about what i made here also it

stands.

> > > >

> > > > Maniv i am sure isa reader here max not seen him post

replies

> > so

> > > what way willl his income be lost....? so take time u need

not

> > reply

> > > to any such thread but work on charts it wil take u where u

> want

> > to.

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE RESPECT THE SUBJECT AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT,

anything

> > > that you do say to hurt other astros will also hurt you if u

> > remain

> > > in the astro field as WHAT GOES AROUND COMES COMES

AROUND....!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote: Maniv,

> > > >

> > > > Yes I am true to my words, I have stopped writing on all

the

> > > Forums,

> > > > since the day I mentioned that. Yesterday one Notice was

given

> > > > to all of You so that few like you may get the required

> > happiness,

> > > > about my ouster from VA, and the other mail given to

> > Mr.Ganeshji

> > > was

> > > > by mistake posted on the Forum instead of going

directly.,to

> > him.

> > > >

> > > > I have not written to a single native here asking for

> > help,dont

> > > worry,

> > > > I leave all business for You and will not give free

service,

> I

> > > will

> > > > not make any losses to your or your lot, rest assure.

> > > >

> > > > Do not provoke me into writing anything further.

> > > > Whenever that is done, I will strike back,I am not away,

> > > > just behind the screen.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , "maniv1321"

> > <maniv1321@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello again Mr.Bhaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Didn't you announce a few days ago that you had decided

> > (once

> > > > > again!) to stop posting on these forums?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Maniv

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Learned Members and Friends ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is to inform You all that I have been

> unceremoniuosly

> > > > > debarred

> > > > > > from the Vedic Astrology Group today,

> > > > > > and without any intimation, notice or chance to

explain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Last evening I was advised by a good member and

> supporter,

> > > who

> > > > > told

> > > > > > me that since the member and

> > > > > > moderator/owner in question are known to each other

since

> > 15

> > > > years

> > > > > > You will not have a chance to stay here.

> > > > > > and that has what happened .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way

of

> > > pushing

> > > > me

> > > > > > out of there.

> > > > > > Also I have already given Public Apology to him on

that

> > Forum

> > > > > which

> > > > > > was not my liability

> > > > > > but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings

> > between

> > > us.

> > > > > > But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would request You allto go through the first few

mails

> > > copied

> > > > > > belowwhich will clearly show that

> > > > > > I was not the one who was interested in communication

but

> > was

> > > > > forced

> > > > > > to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I knew from the first instance that I am being taken

for

> a

> > > ride

> > > > > when

> > > > > > he first entered my

> > > > > > thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself out

of

> > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems

> with

> > me

> > > > here

> > > > > > and had to give Public apology

> > > > > > to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a

> > student

> > > and

> > > > > gain

> > > > > > knowledge ,and why would he be interested in

discussing

> > with

> > > me

> > > > > > technically ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of

entering

> > my

> > > > > thread.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to

> > please

> > > > check

> > > > > > and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this

> > > situation,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand

very

> > > well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with

him

> > at

> > > times

> > > > > > which has been taken as some sort of

> > > > > > weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to fight

> > till

> > > the

> > > > > last.

> > > > > > He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing

> > > > > > with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am

> always

> > > with

> > > > > > righteousness. Now many mails will foloow

> > > > > > and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I

> have

> > > not

> > > > > done.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr. Prafulla.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary,

Voluntary

> > > > > Decisions on

> > > > > > > > Abortions ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Golden...,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have started gradually to like your views and

> second

> > > them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a

special

> > > soul is

> > > > > > > > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already

> > entered

> > > or is

> > > > > > going

> > > > > > > > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can

> > foresee

> > > > that.

> > > > > > > > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold by

> > Narada

> > > Muni

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born.

> > > > > > > > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of

> that

> > > time

> > > > > knew

> > > > > > > > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at

that

> > time

> > > and

> > > > > also

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son

of

> > God

> > > is

> > > > > going

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > arrive at a particular direction and a particular

> > place.

> > > (By

> > > > the

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last

few

> > > > centuries

> > > > > due

> > > > > > > > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to

be

> > the

> > > work

> > > > of

> > > > > > Satan

> > > > > > > > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it

was

> > the

> > > > > practised

> > > > > > > > behind closed doors and still majority do not

believe

> > > > > > unfortunately)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin

> > according

> > > to

> > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > > cultures and almost all cultures who are still

left

> > > religious.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would

> > consent

> > > to

> > > > > > abortion

> > > > > > > > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force

her

> > to

> > > abort.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you have experienced such charts - may you please

> > share

> > > your

> > > > > > experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any

> > native's

> > > > > chart. I

> > > > > > will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or

> > > references.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > will help students like me to learn.

> > > > > > ( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here how

> can

> > > one

> > > > > > judge ?)

> > > > > > > Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's

> perspective,

> > > > mother's

> > > > > > perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I look forward to learn from your experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My reply to Him

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any

> chart

> > or

> > > sins

> > > > > > to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any

> > > perspective

> > > > from

> > > > > > any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro

> reasoning.

> > > > > > I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and

> > folding

> > > hands

> > > > > > before You, believe that it can be the other way

round,

> > that

> > > I can

> > > > > > learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a

> > student.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > His reply to the above mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is why,

I

> > > > requested

> > > > > > for astro

> > > > > > factors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is

> very

> > > well

> > > > > > moderated and

> > > > > > focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be

quite

> > > > > experienced-

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I

was

> > not

> > > > > aware

> > > > > > that, you do

> > > > > > not have any astro data on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My reply to him which started all the trouble.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astro data required on what ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously

about

> > Lord

> > > > > > Krishnas birth ?

> > > > > > b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ?

> > > > > > c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu

> > > cultures ?

> > > > > > d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Data is required on above ?

> > > > > > I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail

> asking

> > > for

> > > > Data

> > > > > > do not seem to be connected with the mail with which

your

> > > mail was

> > > > > > attached.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding

on

> > us to

> > > > > > provide data required by anyone on his request.

> > > > > > Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed

> that

> > > the

> > > > > poster

> > > > > > does not have astro-data.

> > > > > > It may also be there that he does not want to enter

into

> > > > > unnecessary

> > > > > > arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a

> gentleman.

> > > > > > It may also be there that my time I would like to

spending

> > > > > > making predictions rather than pointless discussions

> > leading

> > > to

> > > > > > nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose

> friendships,

> > > > > > You know better.

> > > > > > Last full week I have not entered into any arguments,

on

> > > > > > Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen

in

> > the

> > > > number

> > > > > of

> > > > > > predictions made to the querists.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data

> > providing

> > > > > > wherever possible, and when situation demands and if

> cause

> > is

> > > > > > educational and also if it comes as a request.

> > > > > > Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as request

is

> > well

> > > > > > understood by people over here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I once again fold hands and request You to please

treat

> me

> > as

> > > your

> > > > > > student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me

to

> > > progress

> > > > > and

> > > > > > not in any manner be any cause for my degress.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Prashantkumar G B

> > > >

> > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> >

> > > group but

> > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail

or

> > phone.

> > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID

also

> > > >

> > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@

> > > > 09840051861

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and

get

> > things

> > > done faster.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Imartis actually! Shhh... don't tell my doctor ;-)

 

, "sriganeshh"

<sriganeshh wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> i am poor in english..!!! and knowing you is easy rather

> understanding ur english is very very difficult... but i will never

> ask question since i know you....

> specially not today ...knowing pretty well that today is ur day

with

> lot of rasagullas..!!!

>

> sriganeshh

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri and others --

> >

> > The *space* is yours/Ours to use and FILL!

> >

> > Choices are limited as we users/members have explored in the last

> > while.

> >

> > What you want here is what you will see and get!

> >

> > Controlling what you want to read when you log-in depends upon

> what

> > and how you post!

> >

> > None of this engtagement will ever be wasted!

> >

> > I know what I am talking about!!

> >

> > I hope you ask questions -- even if some may remain unanswered!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "sriganeshh"

> > <sriganeshh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sumit and Prashantji,

> > >

> > > I think this thread is going on for too long....as i told in my

> > last

> > > mail that this group space is being clouded with free readings

> and

> > > unnecessary expressions which can be avoided...

> > >

> > > I am not against free readings but i have my own perceptions on

> > free

> > > readings. Occasionally if really some serious problems in the

> life

> > > of native which really requires jyotish intervention, please go

> > > ahead as it manava dharma otherwise i dont think it is big

> dharma

> > > instead just a minute think are we not killing the SELF

> CONFIDENCE

> > > and SELF BELIEF in the minds of the natives...observe the

> reading

> > > requests, many of them are very young and they just put the

data

> > > asking for this and that...why you are wasting your time and

> energy

> > > on all these not so serious questions..the other day erudite

> member

> > > chandrasekharji also voiced his opinion on this aspect in VA..

> > >

> > > This forum has witnessed best knowledgeable posts from

many...to

> > > quote for example, ranjanji, balaji, raghunath rao nemani,

> vattem

> > > krishnanji, venkatarama sreelatha etc., see the languages and

> > > analysis of theirs....also see the discussions entered in to

> > between

> > > them...no where the question of money has been raised in this

> forum

> > > and it is a pity that this forum is being reduced to such a

> stage

> > > where the main arguments are centred round money and nobody is

> > > coming out truthfully what is going on behind...

> > >

> > > so please leave all this and do concentrate on your work..

> > >

> > > sriganeshh

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sumit,

> > > > u said what i have too but got stuck that there is money

> around

> > > so i get a invite on VJ to moderate...!

> > > > and I had also stopped Bhaskars 3 mails on JS for which

> > Siddarth

> > > sharma is owner and moderator is Rishav, Rishav and i had a

> short

> > > dual too so how can he give me any role on this good/bad no

way

> > and

> > > if replies r uploaded by someone making money and moderators

> > having

> > > a cut is the inference it is a big joke.

> > > >

> > > > I DON'T WANT TO STRETCH THIS FURTHER as it is not the

> intention

> > > my intention is like what Sumit also said astrology is supreme

> not

> > > individuals collectively we can make it brighter.

> > > >

> > > > Jyotishya is about jothi/ LIGHT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000@>

> > > wrote: Dear

ALL

> > > Friends,

> > > >

> > > > When I had joined this forum I didnt know that these mails

> are

> > > also circulated and differences happens in forum. I would like

> to

> > > pray to all that lets not throw mud on anyone. Lets not write

> > > anything except for good cause and help for others. Lets

spread

> > > this beautiful knowledge of Astrology to all and learn and not

> to

> > > question other peoples capability. If WE all work in cohesion

> the

> > > astrology groups will be a force to reckon with.

> > > >

> > > > May God Bless ALL.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > Shri Prashant Sahab,

> > > >

> > > > Namste,

> > > >

> > > > Sir when You are not gulty then why are you hurt ?

> > > > My mail was not intended for you or any of the good

> astrologers

> > > > working over here.It was certainly meant for the other lot.

> > > > Have I not been doing some little service here and do I not

> > know

> > > that

> > > > there is no money here for grabbing ?

> > > > Sir instead of taking me on, why not take those who have

> > incited

> > > me

> > > > unnecessarily in ouster from VA, or this Maniv who we dont

> know,

> > > > who unnecessarily used sarcasm on me ? Why not a word to

> him ?

> > > > Sir please stand by right ideals, and judgemental one

should

> be

> > > > without any bias towards any one.

> > > > When You say that here money is not there then why were my

3

> > > replies

> > > > to natives on Jyotish Shastra (One to a lady who was not

> having

> > > > children for 11 years-Baby Hansiini) were moderated and not

> > > allowed

> > > > to be posted ?

> > > > I believe You are the moderator there.

> > > > I am not pointing fingers, but certainly we cannot deny

that

> > > potential

> > > > is definitely there for astrologers to earn if they know

the

> > > right

> > > > business tactics.

> > > >

> > > > If money is not there why are being people invited to other

> > > Forums /

> > > > Why are websites given to them or people asked to write on

> > their

> > > > private e mail ids ?

> > > > Sir I can prove all this, but am not here to change the

> world,

> > > > so I keep quiet.

> > > > You are siding Maniv and showing sympathy for him, but did

> you

> > > ask

> > > > him why he had to write such stuff about me ?

> > > > He said that " once again " You have said that You will

stop

> > > writing.

> > > > which means that I have said before but started writing

> again.

> > > > Sir so what great crime has been done on my part ?

> > > > Even Lord NarSimhadeva was pacified by Bhakta Prahladafter

> > > > Hiranykashyapu

> > > > was killed by Him. So what to speak of us ordinary mortals,

> if

> > > few

> > > > good friends come, do some praising, make requests to come

> > back,

> > > dont

> > > > we change our mind and once again become normal ?

> > > > I am member at at least 22 Jyotish Forums here out of total

> > 250,

> > > but

> > > > surely not writing on any one since last two days.

> > > >

> > > > Please Sir I request You not to make a punching bag of

> someone

> > > at

> > > > times also be a proper judge and then decide the punishment.

> > > >

> > > > affectionately,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > this is sad that it is being said a few times once u said

> > this

> > > to

> > > > arjun-ji [later t chellappa did to arjun ji] and Siam

> paccific

> > > Kumar

> > > > also said this in ur Re welcome thread that people r

jealous

> of

> > > > their income being reduced if anyone else comes and that is

> > > absurd

> > > > >

> > > > > Ashutosh ji has clearly said this apart from me on this

> that

> > > few

> > > > really pay, I hope someone will really come up and say

there

> is

> > > > chance to make money here NO WAY of the 6k members here 5-9

> > > astros

> > > > max 5 avg write and u were also there in 2 months I am here

> > from

> > > 7

> > > > months surely can tell there is no money to me made here if

> > that

> > > is

> > > > the objective surely people will be disappointed sure.

> > > > >

> > > > > I came here when a friend said there is a group where

> > > > discussions are thee saw the trend for a few days and a few

> > good

> > > > students and some senior exchange good threads and felt I

> can

> > > put

> > > > some of my 26 yr experience also to some use if it helps

> their

> > > > learning curve we did not have these and sheer glory of the

> > > subject

> > > > keeps me here no other consideration. a lamp can light many

> > lams

> > > > without loosing its glow but gives more light tot the room,

> > this

> > > > mus be and surely is the mood here. NOT MONEY surely if any

> one

> > > has

> > > > made money let Bhakar know privately at least how much can

> be

> > > made.

> > > > >

> > > > > AND WHAT SPEAKS FOR US IS WHAT WE SHARE, GIVE HERE,

> anything

> > > that

> > > > comes ur way say recognition, name, fame at times so odd

> paid

> > > > reading some have surely you cant survive on this if it is

a

> > > plan

> > > > for anyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > I posted a mail on 26th about what i made here also it

> stands.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maniv i am sure isa reader here max not seen him post

> replies

> > > so

> > > > what way willl his income be lost....? so take time u need

> not

> > > reply

> > > > to any such thread but work on charts it wil take u where u

> > want

> > > to.

> > > > >

> > > > > PLEASE RESPECT THE SUBJECT AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT,

> anything

> > > > that you do say to hurt other astros will also hurt you if

u

> > > remain

> > > > in the astro field as WHAT GOES AROUND COMES COMES

> AROUND....!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote: Maniv,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes I am true to my words, I have stopped writing on all

> the

> > > > Forums,

> > > > > since the day I mentioned that. Yesterday one Notice was

> given

> > > > > to all of You so that few like you may get the required

> > > happiness,

> > > > > about my ouster from VA, and the other mail given to

> > > Mr.Ganeshji

> > > > was

> > > > > by mistake posted on the Forum instead of going

> directly.,to

> > > him.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not written to a single native here asking for

> > > help,dont

> > > > worry,

> > > > > I leave all business for You and will not give free

> service,

> > I

> > > > will

> > > > > not make any losses to your or your lot, rest assure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Do not provoke me into writing anything further.

> > > > > Whenever that is done, I will strike back,I am not away,

> > > > > just behind the screen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , "maniv1321"

> > > <maniv1321@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello again Mr.Bhaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Didn't you announce a few days ago that you had decided

> > > (once

> > > > > > again!) to stop posting on these forums?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maniv

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Bhaskar"

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Learned Members and Friends ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is to inform You all that I have been

> > unceremoniuosly

> > > > > > debarred

> > > > > > > from the Vedic Astrology Group today,

> > > > > > > and without any intimation, notice or chance to

> explain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Last evening I was advised by a good member and

> > supporter,

> > > > who

> > > > > > told

> > > > > > > me that since the member and

> > > > > > > moderator/owner in question are known to each other

> since

> > > 15

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > You will not have a chance to stay here.

> > > > > > > and that has what happened .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I congratulate Shri Prafullaji on his articulate way

> of

> > > > pushing

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > out of there.

> > > > > > > Also I have already given Public Apology to him on

> that

> > > Forum

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > was not my liability

> > > > > > > but a chance taken and used to clear all misgivings

> > > between

> > > > us.

> > > > > > > But unfortunately it was taken as a weak step.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would request You allto go through the first few

> mails

> > > > copied

> > > > > > > belowwhich will clearly show that

> > > > > > > I was not the one who was interested in communication

> but

> > > was

> > > > > > forced

> > > > > > > to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I knew from the first instance that I am being taken

> for

> > a

> > > > ride

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > he first entered my

> > > > > > > thread with Goldenballs., but could not get myself

out

> of

> > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anway I wanted to ask you that if he has had problems

> > with

> > > me

> > > > > here

> > > > > > > and had to give Public apology

> > > > > > > to me, then how come he wanted to learn from me as a

> > > student

> > > > and

> > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > knowledge ,and why would he be interested in

> discussing

> > > with

> > > > me

> > > > > > > technically ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This clearly shows his mal intentions at time of

> entering

> > > my

> > > > > > thread.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have given only first few copy of mails ,for you to

> > > please

> > > > > check

> > > > > > > and see yourself that I have tried to get out of this

> > > > situation,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > was forced into it, for what ,I think you understand

> very

> > > > well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear well wishers of JR, I have been too polite with

> him

> > > at

> > > > times

> > > > > > > which has been taken as some sort of

> > > > > > > weakness on my part . If he wishes I am ready to

fight

> > > till

> > > > the

> > > > > > last.

> > > > > > > He is mistaken if he thinks that he is dealing

> > > > > > > with a paper tiger. I have nothing to loose as I am

> > always

> > > > with

> > > > > > > righteousness. Now many mails will foloow

> > > > > > > and I will not be a silent spectator for any wroing I

> > have

> > > > not

> > > > > > done.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My first mail to Golden balls and not to Mr.

Prafulla.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:37 -0000

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Involuntary,

> Voluntary

> > > > > > Decisions on

> > > > > > > > > Abortions ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Golden...,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have started gradually to like your views and

> > second

> > > > them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Ordinary souls like us may not know when a

> special

> > > > soul is

> > > > > > > > > repeatedly trying to enter a womb or has already

> > > entered

> > > > or is

> > > > > > > going

> > > > > > > > > to enter in future.Only elevated personalties can

> > > foresee

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > In case of Lord Krishna it was already foretold

by

> > > Narada

> > > > Muni

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > and to whom LordKrishna is going to be born.

> > > > > > > > > In case of Infant Jesus too the elavated souls of

> > that

> > > > time

> > > > > > knew

> > > > > > > > > due to the positions of the stars inthe sky at

> that

> > > time

> > > > and

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > to their being spiritually advanced,that The Son

> of

> > > God

> > > > is

> > > > > > going

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > arrive at a particular direction and a particular

> > > place.

> > > > (By

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > Christianity did support astrology exceptin last

> few

> > > > > centuries

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > to Medieval uphevals astrology was proclamied to

> be

> > > the

> > > > work

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Satan

> > > > > > > > > and witchcraft etc. and among this community it

> was

> > > the

> > > > > > practised

> > > > > > > > > behind closed doors and still majority do not

> believe

> > > > > > > unfortunately)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Hatya in womb is definitely considered as sin

> > > according

> > > > to

> > > > > > Hindu

> > > > > > > > > cultures and almost all cultures who are still

> left

> > > > religious.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)You are right voluntarily no sane mother would

> > > consent

> > > > to

> > > > > > > abortion

> > > > > > > > > unless the reasons you mentioned or others force

> her

> > > to

> > > > abort.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr.Prafulla now enters the picture here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you have experienced such charts - may you

please

> > > share

> > > > your

> > > > > > > experience / "astro" reasons for such "sins" in any

> > > native's

> > > > > > chart. I

> > > > > > > will appreciate, if you may share with some charts or

> > > > references.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > will help students like me to learn.

> > > > > > > ( please tell me JR Readers what he is asking here

how

> > can

> > > > one

> > > > > > > judge ?)

> > > > > > > > Also, these "jyotish" reasons from father's

> > perspective,

> > > > > mother's

> > > > > > > perspective and from unmarried mother's perspective.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I look forward to learn from your experience.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My reply to Him

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kind Sir in this mail I have not mentioned about any

> > chart

> > > or

> > > > sins

> > > > > > > to be seen from any such natives chart,neither any

> > > > perspective

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > any maternal or paternal source.,nor about astro

> > reasoning.

> > > > > > > I know You to be a knowledgable person Yourself and

> > > folding

> > > > hands

> > > > > > > before You, believe that it can be the other way

> round,

> > > that

> > > > I can

> > > > > > > learn from You anytime. You may please consider me a

> > > student.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > His reply to the above mail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thought it is astro forum !! Is not it? That is

why,

> I

> > > > > requested

> > > > > > > for astro

> > > > > > > factors.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The best part of vedic astrology forum is that, it is

> > very

> > > > well

> > > > > > > moderated and

> > > > > > > focused on astro discussions. Since, you seem to be

> quite

> > > > > > experienced-

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > requested you to share your experience / knowledge. I

> was

> > > not

> > > > > > aware

> > > > > > > that, you do

> > > > > > > not have any astro data on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My reply to him which started all the trouble.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astro data required on what ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) On Narad Muni being able to foretell previously

> about

> > > Lord

> > > > > > > Krishnas birth ?

> > > > > > > b) about Jesus Christ coming as saviour ?

> > > > > > > c) Hatya in womb consideredas sin according to Hindu

> > > > cultures ?

> > > > > > > d) No mother would consent voluntarily to abortion ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Data is required on above ?

> > > > > > > I dont understand. Your questions in your last mail

> > asking

> > > > for

> > > > > Data

> > > > > > > do not seem to be connected with the mail with which

> your

> > > > mail was

> > > > > > > attached.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another thing, we have no liability whatsover binding

> on

> > > us to

> > > > > > > provide data required by anyone on his request.

> > > > > > > Also by not providing any Data it cannot be construed

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > poster

> > > > > > > does not have astro-data.

> > > > > > > It may also be there that he does not want to enter

> into

> > > > > > unnecessary

> > > > > > > arguments as I have hinted in my other mail to a

> > gentleman.

> > > > > > > It may also be there that my time I would like to

> spending

> > > > > > > making predictions rather than pointless discussions

> > > leading

> > > > to

> > > > > > > nowhere,creating rifts or making persons loose

> > friendships,

> > > > > > > You know better.

> > > > > > > Last full week I have not entered into any arguments,

> on

> > > > > > > Jyotish remedies Forum , and the results can be seen

> in

> > > the

> > > > > number

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > predictions made to the querists.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again, please be aware that I am always open to Data

> > > providing

> > > > > > > wherever possible, and when situation demands and if

> > cause

> > > is

> > > > > > > educational and also if it comes as a request.

> > > > > > > Any hitting at any person enveloped in form as

request

> is

> > > well

> > > > > > > understood by people over here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I once again fold hands and request You to please

> treat

> > me

> > > as

> > > > your

> > > > > > > student and teach me all You can in astrology, for me

> to

> > > > progress

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > not in any manner be any cause for my degress.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashantkumar G B

> > > > >

> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > >

> > > > group but

> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail

> or

> > > phone.

> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID

> also

> > > > >

> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@

> > > > > 09840051861

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >