Astrology is nothing but hoax 3/9 - remedies

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dear Neeraj,

Well as ashutosh said and some of my posts here if u see do suggest that the remedies given work if their karma allows it say like if in curable diseases u c medicine works well. there r just 26 diseases curable and over 1001 non curable yet with so much advanced medi care.

[bTW ashutoshji doesn't believe in god or homas i am referring to other areas he said]

about remedies i must say again works in 2 ways one gives some hope thus quality in life as a +ve person can benefit from medi care better, whether it improves life or not quality is there due to the hope/expectation.

2 is at times miracles do happen. some new treatment can help too. so we need to give them time all comes from raising hope

if i have to put it as a rationalist

quoting Ramana Maharishi

not a leaf moves unless destined even this line, quote....!

Mrityunjaya mantra homa is clear it is not a life booster, it makes the end smooth. get it translated by any scholar in Sanskrit all it says just a ripe fruit separates itself from the yoke of the branch so should my life leave so effortlessly, painlessly too.

thanks for the reply and we share Ur concerns be rest assured and see my MSG that u r going to remarry later. when u mind is at peace u can see this

ONE MAJOR POINT

My guru's daughter had liver cancer and died in 3 yrs of diagnosis and her husband asked did u not know before giving her to me in marriage.. in earlier times whenever she had some small complaints he used to send her back saying come back in working condition....! fix all Ur complaints and come, stay at Ur parents i cant spend on u.

her daughter was 9 yrs old she 40 married for 10 yrs and most were sick yrs. all respects.

he did all the homas, tantra, mantra knowing fully well the result. we r humans and must live a human life even if we know the answers.

prashant

 

mahima_neeraj <mahima_neeraj > wrote: Dear Prashant,

My mail was not personal towards you or anyone. I am sorry if my

mail gave that impression to you or anyone. What i had wanted to say

that we actually consulted astrologers professionally paid their

fees, spent sums of money doing what they asked us to do ..

mahamritunjaya and all that kind of rubbish..we used to do it with

lot of devotion and hope..i made my wife believe that keep chanting

mahamrityunjaya with all the faith and nobody can take your life..

also most of the famous astrolgers (not from this group) whom we

consulted said that this is just a passing phase..all will be well

by 2007..

But the inevitable happened..the doctors were so so correct..they

said 12 months and it all happened within 13 months..

I am not questioning anybody's intentions here..as Ashutosh said it

is not practical to do things for free..but i really appreciated the

time which people spent at least seeing people charts and trying to

help them..

Anyways i am passing through a period of grief and trying to regain

the strength to move on however this time in life without faith but

assuming that life is "RANDOM"..

Only thing i can say that "Life is anything but FAIR". My wife was

such a good person but she only suffered all throughout her

life.Firstly when she was young her father passed away then with

this disease she suffered so much and then the pain of leaving this

world with all the worries in her mind about her son..

Regards,

.. neeraj

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> When one has a clean heart, one need not

worry about what everybody opines. There are 100 crore humans in

India alone.

>

> All one has to do is to be truthfull to one self. Loosing

self-respect is more painfull than loosing respect in the eyes of

others.

>

> Any science, be it astrology or medical science, which

studies and solves human problems, cannot be perfect. It can claim

to have only 75% accuracy, not more than that.

>

> What we are actually trying to do here is to predict about

a totally new person based on studies on other people who have been

there before him. And this is a fact too that every person has some

unique characterstics of his own. So, a small part of him is totally

new to us. We can only predict about that part with the help of

guesswork.

>

> When someone approaces me with horoscopes of terminally

ill patients, I never predict about death. But, people who know me

well come to know about it because I refuse to charge fees for those

horoscopes where I see a certain death. Even where the patient is

going to survive, I charge a small token fees asking them to pay the

rest of fees later when the patient is out of danger.

>

> So, astrologers perform their duties towards society in

their own ways.

>

> Money is an integral part of any profession. One has to

survive to be able to give consultations. A dead astrologer is of no

use to anyone. Those who criticise professional astrologers should

remember that only the professionals are accountable for their acts.

The amateurs can always shirk their responsibilities citing

themselves as less experienced and hobbyists only.

>

> I save all my chats. Some days ago, I was going

through all the chats one by one. Almost 99% people who had

contacted me from this group, were looking for free consultations.

Many asked for my fees, but never paid. A few said that they have

deposited the cheques in my account and took consultations, but

their cheques never reached my account. I have started avoiding the

group members as such since last few months. It disturbs my regular

practice.

>

> Imagine when I am in midst of an online session with a

client who has paid me a good amount of fees, and suddenly someone

jumps in and asks for, rather demands, free answers. Shouldn't I

devote my time for my regular well paying clients than on those who

do not take astrologers' efforts seriously. Why should I give some

non paying one an hour of guidance when the same time can be

utilised to give quality advices to my paying clients.

>

> I am thinking of creating a database of such people who

pester astrologers offline and take advantage of their helpfullness.

Whenever anyone approaches any astrologer privately, all the

astrologer will have to do is to go to group database section and

check about that person, whether he/she is blacklisted or not.

>

> But, there a few, only a few, very honest and good people

on jyotish forums. They have paid without asking and have followed

my every advice properly. Such people are always welcome and I

myself give them discounts on fees. Sometimes, a lot of follow ups

are there and all without any extra charges. Money is not

everything. All we need is the respect for astrology and astrologers.

>

> You and I will always keep posting on astrological topics

and answering queries on various jyotish groups. But, every good

work done is not appreciated. So, we should also be ready to get

some negative reactions once in a while.

>

> I consider every intellectual a brahmin. There is saying

in my native place, "Dogs and Brahmins cannot stand the success and

happiness of others of their kind." So, wherever there is a

gathering of intellectuals, there is bound to be discord, jealousy

and ego-conflicts. One should accept this fact and take all these

drawbacks in one's stride. There will always be different thoughts

and opinions. And this difference is necessary for improvement on

previous thoughts and opinions.

>

> Tolerance and understanding are the prime virtues of an

astrologer.

>

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Sunday, 03 September, 2006 11:33

> Re: Astrology is nothing but hoax 3/9 thanks

ashutosh

>

>

> Dear ashutosh,

>

> thanks for the defense that was what i had said partly and

nearly fully to sri ganesh even y'day on a chat bulls eye is not our

goal it is give hope, he asked me on accountability issues well that

is not the scope of astrology.

>

> we have to give them hope till the last min else why will they

try medi care is exppensive too and miracles can happen so by giving

them a dire reading the effort of the support family will be slack

which will demoralize the patient

>

> I will paste another chat i had with tarun chopra if he allows

me to share it on a future case where I have said the end is near we

can't , will not say if they ask in person for same reasons given in

my reply to Neeraj.

>

> Thanks once again ashutosh, I was also expecting some such

defense on astrologers being dubbed as money spinning machines by

BHASKAR , Siam Pacific kumar etc, when I quoted Ur mails that of the

6 k members hardly 7 -10 astros work on the forum with cases and if

there is a conversion of 1 in 500 mails is something for anyone,

whatever this forum doesn't give anyone a clientele surely that's my

experience may others will i am not there anywhere else so cant say.

>

> my goal was to help both astrologers and queirests.

>

> I have taught astrology to people across the world free even in

apartheid south Africa. natives who came here. i have spent hrs

teaching serious people the nuances of the subject if they r sincere

even here some good students existed till mid may.

>

> I will do whatever I can do to help the subject and if I have

erred am open for correction.

>

> thanks memebers who came up to support the subject here. as only

I and shashi r named rest r lumped.

>

> astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote: Dear Neeraj,

>

> Did you not notice that many of the regular posters in this

group had not answered your mails. Such absence of responses can

occur in only two cases. One, when the query itself is doubfull or

is very vague. Second, when there is no solution or possibility to

change the destiny. At that time, one prefers to give no answers

instead of giving false assurances.

>

> But, this does not mean that those who answered were not aware

of the end results. They were simply doing their duty as fellow

humans, to help you deal with the crisis. If hope is lost everything

is lost. The astrologers sometimes give false hopes to keep people

motivated on their right paths.

>

> If a person is told of someone's or his own death for

certainity, he will die a hundred times before that event itself

takes place.

>

> Astrology is a very thankless profession. We astrologers receive

more brickbats than bouquets. No one appreciates a thousand

predictions going correct, but everyone rushes to point out even one

small mistake by the astrologer. It is very easy to debunk this

science as a hoax.

>

> It is very easy for me to point out the planetary placements for

your wife's sad demise, but you will accept them only when you

yourself learn astrology. Otherwise, every explanation will look

like a cover up.

>

> In your grief you are ignoring the fact that everyone who

answered to your mail was trying to help you with all sincerety from

his heart.

>

> In 1999, one of my friend's wife expired due to cancer. I was

certain that she will not survive, but I had no other alternative

than to keep giving my friend hope, to allow him to take care of her

dutifully till her last breadth.

>

> Life is like that. Astrologers are also humans. They are not

emotionless, calculative machines, who are there just to dole out

solution after solution. Before giving any prediction, we have to

think ten times on if and how to say it out.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> -

> Mahima-Neeraj

> Prashant Kumar G B ;

> Sunday, 03 September, 2006 01:52

> Astrology is nothing but hoax

>

> Dear Prashant and all other astrolgers,

>

> Beating all the forecasts i received on this group

> related to my wife's health she passed away on 24th

> July. I believe you all astrologers will even find a

> way to explain that by putting some graha in some

> house. My belief in astrology has completly gone. This

> is all hoax.

>

> Cheers

>

> >

> > Mahima-Neeraj <mahima_neeraj wrote: Dear

> > Prashanth, Shashi,

> >

> > Thank you for your time. I really appreciate.

> >

> > Some of the important events in my wife's life

> > Mahima

> > are as follows

> >

> > Birth: 23 August 1977

> > Father died when she was 15 in Jan 1992 in a car

> > accident

> > Married at the age of 24 in April 2001

> > Change of place - moved from india to UK in April

> > 2001

> > First Baby boy born in November 2004

> > Started having problems after this

> > Cancer in last stages was diagnosed in June 2005

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > .. neeraj

> >

> > >

> > > Husband Neeraj

> > > DOB: 31 March 1975

> > > Time of birth: 20:00 pm

> > > Place of birth: Jalesar, Uttar Pradesh

> > > 27 N 29, 78 E 19

> > >

> > > Wife Mahima

> > > DOB: 23 August 1977

> > > Time of Birth: 11:40 am

> > > Place of Birth: Delhi

> > > 28 N 40, 77 E 13

> > >

> > > Son

> > > DOB: 26 November 2004

> > > Time of Birth: 19:46 pm

> > > Place of Birth: Carshalton, UK

> > > 51 N 22, 0 W 10

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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