Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 In a message dated 9/3/2006 1:49:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kailashana (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: , "Michael Bowes" <aumshanti wrote: > > _____ > > [] > On Behalf Of David > Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:25 PM > > Acting, Believing & Being Like > Brahman - Leads To Self Realization? > > > > Whatever one thinks, that he becomes, for the source of imagination is > the omnipotent Self. One who believes that he is Brahman becomes > Brahman Itself. There is a story that a thief had by force of > circumstances to pretend to be a saint and he later on actually became > a saint. Even a Sattwika type of person, well established in religion > and virtue, would turn to be Tamasic and brutal in course of time if > he begins to act constantly the part of a demon in a drama. The > emotions that are roused when acting have got a lasting effect and > they affect the individual permanently. This theory is applied in the > Bhramara-Kita-Nyaya of Vedantic Meditation where the meditator affirms > his being Brahman and thus becomes Brahman actually. > > http://www.swami- <http://www.swami- krishnananda.org/moksh/moksh_04.html> > krishnananda.org/moksh/moksh_04.html > > --- > > > > If you want to be happy, act happy...... > > It's the "fake it 'til ya make it" principle. > act-u-all-y the acting is all pretty good in this stage of life; however some folks take it way too seriously and would kill and die to preserve their script. eh? I act-u-all-y had some similar thoughts about that, but I didn't wanna start another argument with myself so I didn't say anything....... 'Fake it till ya make it' seems to have some value, mayhaps as a focus of consciousness, but there's a potential problem if this succeeds as a self deception. Truly believing is wonderful. Pretending to believe by deceiving the self is ego run amok. I'd venture to say, just as an example, that we've all seen folks who 'believe' they're enlightened. As was mentioned, knowing this to be so is the same as it being so, but mind has a nasty habit of splitting itself in two and lying to itself. Self deception is the reason we're not all 'enlightened' right now (the Truth isn't hiding), and so I'm not in favor of anything that might lead to more of it. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/3/2006 1:49:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > kailashana writes: > > , "Michael Bowes" > aumshanti@ wrote: > > > > _____ > > > > > [] > > On Behalf Of David > > Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:25 PM > > > > Acting, Believing & Being > Like > > Brahman - Leads To Self Realization? > > > > > > > > Whatever one thinks, that he becomes, for the source of > imagination is > > the omnipotent Self. One who believes that he is Brahman becomes > > Brahman Itself. There is a story that a thief had by force of > > circumstances to pretend to be a saint and he later on actually > became > > a saint. Even a Sattwika type of person, well established in > religion > > and virtue, would turn to be Tamasic and brutal in course of time > if > > he begins to act constantly the part of a demon in a drama. The > > emotions that are roused when acting have got a lasting effect and > > they affect the individual permanently. This theory is applied in > the > > Bhramara-Kita-Nyaya of Vedantic Meditation where the meditator > affirms > > his being Brahman and thus becomes Brahman actually. > > > > http://www.swami- <http://www.swami- > krishnananda.org/moksh/moksh_04.html> > > krishnananda.org/moksh/moksh_04.html > > > > --- > > > > > > > > If you want to be happy, act happy...... > > > > It's the "fake it 'til ya make it" principle. > > > > > act-u-all-y the acting is all pretty good in this stage > of life; however some folks take it way too seriously > and would kill and die to preserve their script. > > eh? > > > I act-u-all-y had some similar thoughts about that, but I didn't wanna start > another argument with myself so I didn't say anything....... > > > 'Fake it till ya make it' seems to have some value, mayhaps as a focus of > consciousness, but there's a potential problem if this succeeds as a self > deception. Truly believing is wonderful. Pretending to believe by deceiving the > self is ego run amok. I'd venture to say, just as an example, that we've all > seen folks who 'believe' they're enlightened. As was mentioned, knowing this to > be so is the same as it being so, but mind has a nasty habit of splitting > itself in two and lying to itself. > > Self deception is the reason we're not all 'enlightened' right now (the > Truth isn't hiding), and so I'm not in favor of anything that might lead to more > of it. > > Phil > Hi Phil, No problem, really, this problem. It's just another step in the right direction, the one leading to the last step in seeing exactly WHO the problem is all along. And it's never who we think it is, mais oui? Hugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 _____ [] On Behalf Of ADHHUB (AT) AOL (DOT) com Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:19 AM Re: Acting, Believing & Being Like Brahman - L... In a message dated 9/3/2006 1:49:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kailashana (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: , "Michael Bowes" <aumshanti wrote: > > _____ > > [] > On Behalf Of David > Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:25 PM > > Acting, Believing & Being Like > Brahman - Leads To Self Realization? > > > > Whatever one thinks, that he becomes, for the source of imagination is > the omnipotent Self. One who believes that he is Brahman becomes > Brahman Itself. There is a story that a thief had by force of > circumstances to pretend to be a saint and he later on actually became > a saint. Even a Sattwika type of person, well established in religion > and virtue, would turn to be Tamasic and brutal in course of time if > he begins to act constantly the part of a demon in a drama. The > emotions that are roused when acting have got a lasting effect and > they affect the individual permanently. This theory is applied in the > Bhramara-Kita-Nyaya of Vedantic Meditation where the meditator affirms > his being Brahman and thus becomes Brahman actually. > > http://www.swami- <http://www.swami- krishnananda.org/moksh/moksh_04.html> > krishnananda.org/moksh/moksh_04.html > > --- > > > > If you want to be happy, act happy...... > > It's the "fake it 'til ya make it" principle. > act-u-all-y the acting is all pretty good in this stage of life; however some folks take it way too seriously and would kill and die to preserve their script. eh? I act-u-all-y had some similar thoughts about that, but I didn't wanna start another argument with myself so I didn't say anything....... 'Fake it till ya make it' seems to have some value, mayhaps as a focus of consciousness, but there's a potential problem if this succeeds as a self deception. Truly believing is wonderful. Pretending to believe by deceiving the self is ego run amok. I'd venture to say, just as an example, that we've all seen folks who 'believe' they're enlightened. As was mentioned, knowing this to be so is the same as it being so, but mind has a nasty habit of splitting itself in two and lying to itself. Self deception is the reason we're not all 'enlightened' right now (the Truth isn't hiding), and so I'm not in favor of anything that might lead to more of it. Phil "...til ya make it" is the key phrase. And don't worry about pitfalls because we're already in way-deep anyhow. Lighten up... Enlighten-up.. :-) Warm regards, Michael PS I think you've got a great website Phil. I haven't had a chance to read much of it; but it seems like you've got some real nice content there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 In a message dated 9/3/2006 2:51:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aumshanti (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: __ [] On Behalf Of ADHHUB (AT) AOL (DOT) com Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:19 AM Re: [ - Ramana Guru] Acting, Believing & Being Like Brahman - L... In a message dated 9/3/2006 1:49:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kailashana (AT) cox (DOT) In a me @HarshaSatsanHar, "Michael Bowes" <aumshanti@..a> wrote: > > _____ > > @HarshaSatsanHar [HarshaSatsaHarshaSatsa<WBR>Har] > On Behalf Of David > Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:25 PM > @HarshaSatsanHar > Acting, Believing & Being Like > Brahman - Leads To Self Realization? > > > > Whatever one thinks, that he becomes, for the source of imagination is > the omnipotent Self. One who believes that he is Brahman becomes > Brahman Itself. There is a story that a thief had by force of > circumstances to pretend to be a saint and he later on actually became > a saint. Even a Sattwika type of person, well established in religion > and virtue, would turn to be Tamasic and brutal in course of time if > he begins to act constantly the part of a demon in a drama. The > emotions that are roused when acting have got a lasting effect and > they affect the individual permanently. This theory is applied in the > Bhramara-Kita- Bhramara-Kita-<WBR>Nyaya of Vedantic Meditation affirms > his being Brahman and thus becomes Brahman actually. > > http://www.swami- <http://www.swami- krishnananda.krishnanankrishnanakris> > krishnananda. kri kr > > --- > > > > If you want to be happy, act happy...... > > It's the "fake it 'til ya make it" principle. > act-u-all-y the acting is all pretty good in this stage of life; however some folks take it way too seriously and would kill and die to preserve their script. eh? I act-u-all-y had some similar thoughts about that, but I didn't wanna start another argument with myself so I didn't say anything....I 'Fake it till ya make it' seems to have some value, mayhaps as a focus of consciousness, but there's a potential problem if this succeeds as a self deception. Truly believing is wonderful. Pretending to believe by deceiving the self is ego run amok. I'd venture to say, just as an example, that we've all seen folks who 'believe' they're enlightened. As was mentioned, knowing this to be so is the same as it being so, but mind has a nasty habit of splitting itself in two and lying to itself. Self deception is the reason we're not all 'enlightened' right now (the Truth isn't hiding), and so I'm not in favor of anything that might lead to more of it. Phil “...til ya make it†is the key phrase. And don’t worry about pitfalls because we’re already in way-deep anyhow. Lighten up….. Enlighten-up…… :-) Warm regards, Michael PS I think you’ve got a great website Phil. I haven’t had a chance to read much of it; but it seems like you’ve got some real nice content there. ------ Thanks, Michael. Check out the poetry flashes if you haven't already. They're pretty fun. As far as pitfall paranoia, I've noticed my spiritual path has a huge component of pitfall exploration. In recent years, it's become apparent that this is an excellent way to avoid them and keep things moving forward. So, I do understand your perspective, it's just what happens to work for me. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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