Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Group, Yesterday (Sep 4) Australia lost a favourite son. Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray at around 11.00am whilst filming a documentary in the waters of far north Queensland. The ray came up from underneath him and its poisonous barb shot straight into his heart. I personally am extremely saddened by the death of this unique Australian...he was an absolute treasure of a man... His life was one great adventure...a most unusual life, a most unusual man, and a most unusual death. Although I don't have a T.O.B., his 3rd house showing courage, adventures, cause of death must tell the story. Steve Irwin 22 Feb 1962 Melbourne, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Wendy, I too read about this sad incident in today's news paper. It is too sad that he ahd to die at this age when he was really doing great. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Group, > > Yesterday (Sep 4) Australia lost a favourite son. Steve Irwin > was killed by > a stingray at around 11.00am whilst filming a documentary in > the waters of > far north Queensland. The ray came up from underneath him and > its poisonous > barb shot straight into his heart. I personally am extremely > saddened by the > death of this unique Australian...he was an absolute treasure > of a man... > > His life was one great adventure...a most unusual life, a most > unusual man, > and a most unusual death. Although I don't have a T.O.B., his > 3rd house > showing courage, adventures, cause of death must tell the > story. > > Steve Irwin > 22 Feb 1962 > Melbourne, Australia > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear all, It is terrible loss for all animal lovers and Steve embodied the principal of universal love. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 >His life was one great adventure...a most unusual life, a most unusual man, and a most unusual death. Although I don't have a T.O.B., his 3rd house showing courage, adventures, cause of death must tell the story.< Dear Wendy, It is always instructive to look at the charts of these interesting characters. I would go for a Capricorn ascendent. Could it be anything else? He almost looked like a crocodile. Also Ketu in the ascendent would give some unusual characteristics. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Wendy, Even in Ireland, so far from Australia, we were quite saddened to learn this news. Most of us loved him for his TV programmes. I cast his chart now. Moon in Virgo came up with 3rd lord Mars exalted and Jupiter debilitated in 5th. Both planets are closely conjunct Ketu - and does Ketu not signify Zoology? I think the situation of these 3 grahas explain his behaviour so well. Exalted Mars, like you said, giving him that courage. And would debilitated Jupiter not account for his over optimism, which led him to such dangers? Regardless of the TOB and lagna, for this date of birth, the Moon would always be in Virgo and he died doing Jupiter's dasha. Jupiter was transiting his 2nd (maraka) from Moon and both Ketu and Mars (8th lord of death) were afflicting his natal Moon, here taken as lagna. May Ketu have added to his lack of perception of danger that day? I would go for a Leo ascendant. Leo as lagna would indicate a man who so often became the centre of attention, like an actor, and we can see that from his TV programmes. Jupiter would then be transiting his 3rd (cause of one's death) and 3rd lord (Venus) with maraka Mercury in 1st. I think his Jupiter, being debilitated, made him be too incautious and over optimistic and that might have been one of the causes of his death. Also, for a Leo ascendant, exalted Mars of courage would be aspecting 1st of character. Best wishes, Rui. Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: Dear Group, Yesterday (Sep 4) Australia lost a favourite son. Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray at around 11.00am whilst filming a documentary in the waters of far north Queensland. The ray came up from underneath him and its poisonous barb shot straight into his heart. I personally am extremely saddened by the death of this unique Australian...he was an absolute treasure of a man... His life was one great adventure...a most unusual life, a most unusual man, and a most unusual death. Although I don't have a T.O.B., his 3rd house showing courage, adventures, cause of death must tell the story. Steve Irwin 22 Feb 1962 Melbourne, Australia The all-new Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Wendy, Ron, Rui, and List, Condolences to you and all in Australia for the loss of this unique man who all the world identifies with your great country. Of course 'sting' would signify Scorpio, and I just checked the chart for time of death - and surely it is a Scorpio rising. Mars and Ketu co-own Scorpio and still less than 2 degrees apart in early Virgo, both in Sun's star with Sun final depositor for this transit chart. What is intriguing here is also for his birth Mars and Ketu were just 2 degrees apart as well. And closely conjoined with his Jupiter. As you say Rui, Jupiter would be his Mahadasa no matter what the time of birth, and not only is this Jupiter in debility, but also in sandhi degree at over 29 degrees Capricorn. It's no surprise he has that exalted Mars. all his courage, as you mention Wendy. Snakes and reptiles for which he is most famous are both signified by Scorpio (Virgo is listed as well for reptiles in my book - and his Moon definitely in Virgo.) Crocodile itself, besides as we know it for Capricorn, also is listed as Ketu in my book here. What about a Scorpio rising with all that energy and drive, intensity.! And the conjoined Mars and Ketu in his 3H with the amazing Capricorn house he has. Sun for 10H, career.. His birth chart shows Saturn as final depositor, and yes Ron - look at all the Capricorn going on! (Although Neptune is not used at all in Jyotish, it is interesting to me that this happened in the ocean and TNeptune was right exactly on natal Ketu, both approaching one another at less than 1 degree, whilst transiting Jupiter, exactly to degree on Natal Neptune.) Other transits true to Jyotish are that TSaturn was exactly to degree on natal Rahu. This again bringing Ketu into this, due to the relationship of Rahu and Ketu, and again with natal Ketu in Capricorn. Best wishes, Patrice _________________________________ Dear Group, Yesterday (Sep 4) Australia lost a favourite son. Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray at around 11.00am whilst filming a documentary in the waters of far north Queensland. The ray came up from underneath him and its poisonous barb shot straight into his heart. I personally am extremely saddened by the death of this unique Australian...he was an absolute treasure of a man... His life was one great adventure...a most unusual life, a most unusual man, and a most unusual death. Although I don't have a T.O.B., his 3rd house showing courage, adventures, cause of death must tell the story. Steve Irwin 22 Feb 1962 Melbourne, Australia Dear Wendy, It is always instructive to look at the charts of these interesting characters. I would go for a Capricorn ascendent. Could it be anything else? He almost looked like a crocodile. Also Ketu in the ascendent would give some unusual characteristics. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 jyotish-vidya, RPM <rupamede wrote: > I think his Jupiter, being debilitated, made him be too incautious and over optimistic and that might have been one of the causes of his death. Dear Rui, It is indeed a tragic loss to the world. On a astrological note I was wondering if Jupiter in vedic astro also refers to its tropical qualities of unbounded optimism,outgoingness etc. If that's true then one would assume that Jup being debil,i.e in capricorn would take on the Saturnian qualities, that is becoming inhibitive, cautious etc. I am having difficulty understanding why Jup debil would lead to over optimism etc. Regards Azaad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Dear Members, Saddened, as all of you are, by such a huge loss of a truly unique, special individual. I've been aware of the fact that man was a human gem, every time I'd seen him with his beloved 'friends', radiating love and devotion for all living creatures- and cannot escape sense of COSMIC injustice that HE was killed this way! How appropriate, Patrice, that Sc was rising. And Ju Dasa gave the results of Mars and Ketu, Ju being too weak to protect this great man. And yes, third house must be involved as per what I know, rashi or Al. Love, Anna Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Wendy, Ron, Rui, and List, Condolences to you and all in Australia for the loss of this unique man who all the world identifies with your great country. Of course 'sting' would signify Scorpio, and I just checked the chart for time of death - and surely it is a Scorpio rising. Mars and Ketu co-own Scorpio and still less than 2 degrees apart in early Virgo, both in Sun's star with Sun final depositor for this transit chart. What is intriguing here is also for his birth Mars and Ketu were just 2 degrees apart as well. And closely conjoined with his Jupiter. As you say Rui, Jupiter would be his Mahadasa no matter what the time of birth, and not only is this Jupiter in debility, but also in sandhi degree at over 29 degrees Capricorn. It's no surprise he has that exalted Mars. all his courage, as you mention Wendy. Snakes and reptiles for which he is most famous are both signified by Scorpio (Virgo is listed as well for reptiles in my book - and his Moon definitely in Virgo.) Crocodile itself, besides as we know it for Capricorn, also is listed as Ketu in my book here. What about a Scorpio rising with all that energy and drive, intensity.! And the conjoined Mars and Ketu in his 3H with the amazing Capricorn house he has. Sun for 10H, career.. His birth chart shows Saturn as final depositor, and yes Ron - look at all the Capricorn going on! (Although Neptune is not used at all in Jyotish, it is interesting to me that this happened in the ocean and TNeptune was right exactly on natal Ketu, both approaching one another at less than 1 degree, whilst transiting Jupiter, exactly to degree on Natal Neptune.) Other transits true to Jyotish are that TSaturn was exactly to degree on natal Rahu. This again bringing Ketu into this, due to the relationship of Rahu and Ketu, and again with natal Ketu in Capricorn. Best wishes, Patrice _________________________________ Dear Group, Yesterday (Sep 4) Australia lost a favourite son. Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray at around 11.00am whilst filming a documentary in the waters of far north Queensland. The ray came up from underneath him and its poisonous barb shot straight into his heart. I personally am extremely saddened by the death of this unique Australian...he was an absolute treasure of a man... His life was one great adventure...a most unusual life, a most unusual man, and a most unusual death. Although I don't have a T.O.B., his 3rd house showing courage, adventures, cause of death must tell the story. Steve Irwin 22 Feb 1962 Melbourne, Australia Dear Wendy, It is always instructive to look at the charts of these interesting characters. I would go for a Capricorn ascendent. Could it be anything else? He almost looked like a crocodile. Also Ketu in the ascendent would give some unusual characteristics. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Just received this 'update' from Visti Larsen, hope he won't mind sharing He sais:"22nd February 1962 in Essendon, Victoria, Australia. Most likely the ascendant is either Aries (noon-time) or Capricorn (morning/sunrise) placing the Arudha lagna in movable signs, as the Moon in dual signs shows the demise from sea-creatures. This is likely to be Aries Lagna which also places Moon in Pisces navamsa (sea creatures specifically) and by itself very much depicts his outlook on life as a daring wildlife lover. His parents were naturalists (freedom/pravrajya) and the lord of the Bandhupada (A4) is Mars and joined a Pravrajya yoga occurs in the tenth house with an exalted Mars (nature/the earth) showing the the family influence on him, and the strong attachment to wildlife (mars exalted) from his childhood as a reptile park became the family business" "A.R." <bonamente108 > wrote: Dear Members, Saddened, as all of you are, by such a huge loss of a truly unique, special individual. I've been aware of the fact that man was a human gem, every time I'd seen him with his beloved 'friends', radiating love and devotion for all living creatures- and cannot escape sense of COSMIC injustice that HE was killed this way! How appropriate, Patrice, that Sc was rising. And Ju Dasa gave the results of Mars and Ketu, Ju being too weak to protect this great man. And yes, third house must be involved as per what I know, rashi or Al. Love, Anna Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Wendy, Ron, Rui, and List, Condolences to you and all in Australia for the loss of this unique man who all the world identifies with your great country. Of course 'sting' would signify Scorpio, and I just checked the chart for time of death - and surely it is a Scorpio rising. Mars and Ketu co-own Scorpio and still less than 2 degrees apart in early Virgo, both in Sun's star with Sun final depositor for this transit chart. What is intriguing here is also for his birth Mars and Ketu were just 2 degrees apart as well. And closely conjoined with his Jupiter. As you say Rui, Jupiter would be his Mahadasa no matter what the time of birth, and not only is this Jupiter in debility, but also in sandhi degree at over 29 degrees Capricorn. It's no surprise he has that exalted Mars. all his courage, as you mention Wendy. Snakes and reptiles for which he is most famous are both signified by Scorpio (Virgo is listed as well for reptiles in my book - and his Moon definitely in Virgo.) Crocodile itself, besides as we know it for Capricorn, also is listed as Ketu in my book here. What about a Scorpio rising with all that energy and drive, intensity.! And the conjoined Mars and Ketu in his 3H with the amazing Capricorn house he has. Sun for 10H, career.. His birth chart shows Saturn as final depositor, and yes Ron - look at all the Capricorn going on! (Although Neptune is not used at all in Jyotish, it is interesting to me that this happened in the ocean and TNeptune was right exactly on natal Ketu, both approaching one another at less than 1 degree, whilst transiting Jupiter, exactly to degree on Natal Neptune.) Other transits true to Jyotish are that TSaturn was exactly to degree on natal Rahu. This again bringing Ketu into this, due to the relationship of Rahu and Ketu, and again with natal Ketu in Capricorn. Best wishes, Patrice _________________________________ Dear Group, Yesterday (Sep 4) Australia lost a favourite son. Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray at around 11.00am whilst filming a documentary in the waters of far north Queensland. The ray came up from underneath him and its poisonous barb shot straight into his heart. I personally am extremely saddened by the death of this unique Australian...he was an absolute treasure of a man... His life was one great adventure...a most unusual life, a most unusual man, and a most unusual death. Although I don't have a T.O.B., his 3rd house showing courage, adventures, cause of death must tell the story. Steve Irwin 22 Feb 1962 Melbourne, Australia Dear Wendy, It is always instructive to look at the charts of these interesting characters. I would go for a Capricorn ascendent. Could it be anything else? He almost looked like a crocodile. Also Ketu in the ascendent would give some unusual characteristics. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Dear Azaad, Rui and All, I'm looking at a tentative time of 11.30am. This gives Aries rising with lagnesh Mars exalted in 10th house (status, name/fame etc). In this chart 3rd lord conjuncts exalted 1st/8th lord Mars. I think it's significant that Mars influences 'cause of death' (Mercury) as well as lording over 8th house of death (experience of). 8th is owned by Scorpio, a watery sign whist 8th lord (Mars) is conjunct Ketu. Steve died as he'd lived and this (surely) is a testament to the influences (and strength) of 1st/8th lord Mars. Consider the significations of Ketu for a moment (who BTW occupies nakshatra of Mars). Ketu signifies eccentricity and certainly steve was eccentric. Ketu further signifies unusual, hectic situations, accidental incidents, poisoning, wounds, snake bites and so forth. How many snake bites did Steve receive throughout his short life...as I said, he died as he'd lived. His exahuberance, unbounded energy and enthusiasm (not forgetting his sandy/reddish hair and complexion) is very much in line with Aries lagna... There was also some scandal (if you could call it that...bad publicity might be more accurate) related to his introducing his baby son to the crocodiles (Mars owning 1st/8th conjunct Ketu in n10th). This incident was reported world-wide...again 10th house (career, fame, publicity). Look at the dasa/transits at time of death. Rahu transiting Pisces (water sign) in12th whilst transit 12th lord Jupiter aspects 11th, 1st, 3rd. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________ - theblisswithin jyotish-vidya Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:47 AM Re: Steve Irwin jyotish-vidya, RPM <rupamede wrote: > I think his Jupiter, being debilitated, made him be too incautious and over optimistic and that might have been one of the causes of his death. Dear Rui, It is indeed a tragic loss to the world. On a astrological note I was wondering if Jupiter in vedic astro also refers to its tropical qualities of unbounded optimism,outgoingness etc. If that's true then one would assume that Jup being debil,i.e in capricorn would take on the Saturnian qualities, that is becoming inhibitive, cautious etc. I am having difficulty understanding why Jup debil would lead to over optimism etc. Regards Azaad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Dear Anna, Essendon is a suburb of Melbourne and close enough not to make a great difference in the coordinants. Melbourne: 145E00, 37S50 Essendon: 144E55, 37S46 Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________ - "A.R." <bonamente108 > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:25 PM RE: Steve Irwin Just received this 'update' from Visti Larsen, hope he won't mind sharing He sais:"22nd February 1962 in Essendon, Victoria, Australia. Most likely the ascendant is either Aries (noon-time) or Capricorn (morning/sunrise) placing the Arudha lagna in movable signs, as the Moon in dual signs shows the demise from sea-creatures. This is likely to be Aries Lagna which also places Moon in Pisces navamsa (sea creatures specifically) and by itself very much depicts his outlook on life as a daring wildlife lover. His parents were naturalists (freedom/pravrajya) and the lord of the Bandhupada (A4) is Mars and joined a Pravrajya yoga occurs in the tenth house with an exalted Mars (nature/the earth) showing the the family influence on him, and the strong attachment to wildlife (mars exalted) from his childhood as a reptile park became the family business" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Dear Wendy, I've read your messages and went through the chart- yes, Aries seems to be the right Asc- sandy/redish hair as you mention and 'Martian', dangerous living/in tenth/. That's on a factual level-on a subtler, I still wonder...He died from what he loved the most /incident you mentioned, with his 1yr old son!/-based on the chart, I wonder if reptiles or danger, or both attracted him the most. I agree with you, he died the way he lived- I am unable to picture him quietly retired! Whatever, he'd been able to win us over with his excitement, passion, uniqueness. OH, he could have done so much more for this world! /my separation complex seems to be working overtime behind the scene, having found the right trigger, indeed/ Love, Anna Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: Dear Anna, Essendon is a suburb of Melbourne and close enough not to make a great difference in the coordinants. Melbourne: 145E00, 37S50 Essendon: 144E55, 37S46 Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________ - "A.R." <bonamente108 > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:25 PM RE: Steve Irwin Just received this 'update' from Visti Larsen, hope he won't mind sharing He sais:"22nd February 1962 in Essendon, Victoria, Australia. Most likely the ascendant is either Aries (noon-time) or Capricorn (morning/sunrise) placing the Arudha lagna in movable signs, as the Moon in dual signs shows the demise from sea-creatures. This is likely to be Aries Lagna which also places Moon in Pisces navamsa (sea creatures specifically) and by itself very much depicts his outlook on life as a daring wildlife lover. His parents were naturalists (freedom/pravrajya) and the lord of the Bandhupada (A4) is Mars and joined a Pravrajya yoga occurs in the tenth house with an exalted Mars (nature/the earth) showing the the family influence on him, and the strong attachment to wildlife (mars exalted) from his childhood as a reptile park became the family business" Share your photos with the people who matter at Canada Photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Dear Anna, Long time no see! It's nice to see you here and be in touch again and see you posting your thoughts. I hope all is going well for you. All best wishes, Patrice ---------------_________________________ How appropriate, Patrice, that Sc was rising. And Ju Dasa gave the results of Mars and Ketu, Ju being too weak to protect this great man. And yes, third house must be involved as per what I know, rashi or Al. Love, Anna .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714&grpId=14388628&grpspId=1600082690&msgI d=4003&stime=1157515048&nc1=3911048&nc2=3848645&nc3=3848482> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Dear all, The factors indicating madhyayu (medium term life) are, i think, the following: 1. Only malefics in quadrants, (jupiter ineffectual as it is cuspally positioned) 2. No benefics in Quadrants 3. Moon is placed in the 6th house. These three factors alone may have brought the length of life to alpayau (short term). But the presence of two Mahapursha yoga's centred around the 10th house (shasha and Ruchaka) have pused the range to medium term. the mahapurusha yogas centred around the 10th house has made him world famous through his field of activity. If you look at the chart for the moment of his demise at Brett reef, the great barrier reef ,we find that there is no panchaka shudhi with the figure of 6 reflecting evil happenings. The strength of the constellation also indicates Danger to body. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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