Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Respected Gurujans, While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage timing, I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would like to know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at the time of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa has passed without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that mahadasa (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and let us say that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the planets a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar dasa lords at the time of marriage. I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible that may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in the dasa at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite helpful in predicting marriage period. Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this pattern does not work, if you can find a case. Regards, Pratap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Pratap ji, Can you give some examples? Regards, Upendra , Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote: > > Respected Gurujans, > > While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage timing, I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would like to know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. > > I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at the time of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa has passed without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that mahadasa (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and let us say that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the planets a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar dasa lords at the time of marriage. > > I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible that may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in the dasa at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite helpful in predicting marriage period. > > Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this pattern does not work, if you can find a case. > > > Regards, > > Pratap > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Upendra, I forgot to say something. I gave you a example where this pattern works. Now I would like to request you to give me an example where the pattern is violated. This would be helpful to me in my efforts to find out some truth. Regards, Pratap Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria > wrote: Dear Upendra, Here is an example. Dec 20, 1947, 18:28, 73E04, 24N03, marriage date June 6, 1975. VD mahadasa are as follows: Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: Jup: 1933-01-11 (3:23:58) - 1949-01-11 (5:49:57) Sat: 1949-01-11 (5:49:57) - 1968-01-12 (2:51:08) Merc: 1968-01-12 (2:51:08) - 1985-01-11 (11:34:02) Marriage happened in the following VD Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Merc MD: 1968-01-12 (2:51:08) - 1985-01-11 (11:34:02) Moon AD: 1975-02-10 (10:38:58) - 1976-07-13 (8:42:19) Rah PD: 1975-04-24 (2:35:14) - 1975-07-12 (18:58:06) You can see that Jup and Sat mahadasa passed without giving marriage and they are not appearing in the VD at the time of marriage. Regards, Pratap upendra_agni <upendra.agni > wrote: Pratap ji, Can you give some examples? Regards, Upendra , Pratap Kaneria wrote: > > Respected Gurujans, > > While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage timing, I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would like to know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. > > I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at the time of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa has passed without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that mahadasa (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and let us say that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the planets a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar dasa lords at the time of marriage. > > I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible that may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in the dasa at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite helpful in predicting marriage period. > > Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this pattern does not work, if you can find a case. > > > Regards, > > Pratap > ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Pratap ji, Just a pointer: Many a times the relevant dasa may appear, when such events can not occur (e.g. jupiter dasa at birth or very early - so native may not marry at that age). So, they may not disqualify for giving event later in their respective sub periods. Perhaps, you may consider (or not overlook) this as well, in your research paper. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > pkaneria > Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:20:39 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage > > Dear Upendra, > > Here is one more solid example. > > Feb 3, 1961, 21:39, 77E35, 12N59, Marriage date: May 6, 1991 > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Maha Dasas: > Ven: 1946-10-29 (1:54:03) - 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) > Sun: 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) - 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) > Moon: 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) - 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) > Mars: 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) - 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) > Rah: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > > VD at time of marriage > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Rah MD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > Rah AD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 1992-07-09 (16:11:34) > Merc PD: 1991-01-05 (19:53:20) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > Sat SD: 1991-05-01 (18:07:01) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > Merc PAD: 1991-05-05 (7:33:40) - 1991-05-08 (12:07:15) > > This pattern is logically quite acceptable. If a planet did not give > marriage in its mahadasa why would it give in its antar or pratayantar > dasa? If this gets proven beyond doubt, one can use it to rectify time of > birth to the seconds, in case of married natives. > > Regards, > > Pratap > > upendra_agni <upendra.agni > wrote: > Pratap ji, > > Can you give some examples? > > Regards, > Upendra > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: >> >> Respected Gurujans, >> >> While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage timing, > I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would like to > know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. >> >> I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at the time > of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa has passed > without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that mahadasa > (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and let us say > that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the planets > a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar dasa lords > at the time of marriage. >> >> I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible that > may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in the dasa > at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite helpful in > predicting marriage period. >> >> Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this pattern > does not work, if you can find a case. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Pratap >> > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Yes, Prafullaji has a point here. Pratap, You should consider the MDs after the age of 18 which did not give marriage. That would be more appropriate. Regards, Krishna http://astokrishna.blogspot.com --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Pratap ji, > > Just a pointer: > > Many a times the relevant dasa may appear, when such events > can not occur (e.g. jupiter dasa at birth or very early - so > native may not marry at that age). So, they may not disqualify > for giving event later in their respective sub periods. > Perhaps, you may consider (or not overlook) this as well, in > your research paper. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > The difference between a successful person and others is not a > lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > > > > > pkaneria > > Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:20:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time > of marriage > > > > Dear Upendra, > > > > Here is one more solid example. > > > > Feb 3, 1961, 21:39, 77E35, 12N59, Marriage date: May 6, > 1991 > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > Maha Dasas: > > Ven: 1946-10-29 (1:54:03) - 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) > > Sun: 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) - 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) > > Moon: 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) - 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) > > Mars: 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) - 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) > > Rah: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > > > > VD at time of marriage > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > Rah MD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > > Rah AD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 1992-07-09 (16:11:34) > > Merc PD: 1991-01-05 (19:53:20) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > > Sat SD: 1991-05-01 (18:07:01) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > > Merc PAD: 1991-05-05 (7:33:40) - 1991-05-08 (12:07:15) > > > > This pattern is logically quite acceptable. If a planet > did not give > > marriage in its mahadasa why would it give in its antar or > pratayantar > > dasa? If this gets proven beyond doubt, one can use it to > rectify time of > > birth to the seconds, in case of married natives. > > > > Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > upendra_agni <upendra.agni > wrote: > > Pratap ji, > > > > Can you give some examples? > > > > Regards, > > Upendra > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Respected Gurujans, > >> > >> While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage > timing, > > I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would > like to > > know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. > >> > >> I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at > the time > > of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa > has passed > > without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that > mahadasa > > (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and > let us say > > that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the > planets > > a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar > dasa lords > > at the time of marriage. > >> > >> I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible > that > > may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in > the dasa > > at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite > helpful in > > predicting marriage period. > >> > >> Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this > pattern > > does not work, if you can find a case. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Pratap > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who > said that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading > > today > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pratap, Namaskar Are you applying any exceptions to your use of Vimshottari dasa? i.e. Lagna vs. Chandra Vimshottari? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Pratap Kaneria 05 September 2006 06:02 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage Dear Prafulla, Yes. Thanks. I will keep that in mind. Of course, in today's age, marriage does not happen before let us say 18 or whatever. In old ages, I think sometimes marriages were done or at least decided at time of birth. Regardless, thanks for the pointer. Regards, Pratap Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Pratap ji, Just a pointer: Many a times the relevant dasa may appear, when such events can not occur (e.g. jupiter dasa at birth or very early - so native may not marry at that age). So, they may not disqualify for giving event later in their respective sub periods. Perhaps, you may consider (or not overlook) this as well, in your research paper. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > pkaneria > Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:20:39 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage > > Dear Upendra, > > Here is one more solid example. > > Feb 3, 1961, 21:39, 77E35, 12N59, Marriage date: May 6, 1991 > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Maha Dasas: > Ven: 1946-10-29 (1:54:03) - 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) > Sun: 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) - 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) > Moon: 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) - 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) > Mars: 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) - 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) > Rah: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > > VD at time of marriage > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Rah MD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > Rah AD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 1992-07-09 (16:11:34) > Merc PD: 1991-01-05 (19:53:20) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > Sat SD: 1991-05-01 (18:07:01) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > Merc PAD: 1991-05-05 (7:33:40) - 1991-05-08 (12:07:15) > > This pattern is logically quite acceptable. If a planet did not give > marriage in its mahadasa why would it give in its antar or pratayantar > dasa? If this gets proven beyond doubt, one can use it to rectify time of > birth to the seconds, in case of married natives. > > Regards, > > Pratap > > upendra_agni wrote: > Pratap ji, > > Can you give some examples? > > Regards, > Upendra > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: >> >> Respected Gurujans, >> >> While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage timing, > I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would like to > know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. >> >> I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at the time > of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa has passed > without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that mahadasa > (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and let us say > that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the planets > a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar dasa lords > at the time of marriage. >> >> I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible that > may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in the dasa > at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite helpful in > predicting marriage period. >> >> Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this pattern > does not work, if you can find a case. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Pratap >> > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Kaneria, This theory does not works. I have tried it already long ago. My dob 18:32 hours, 24th Feb1968, 85E45,21N45 Date of marriage-5th Feb 1998 With regards, Mrutyunjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Mrutyunjay, It seems like one of us is making a mistake. I cast your chart per LA and your mahadasa are as follows. Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: Ven: 1949-12-12 (10:08:02) - 1969-12-12 (13:01:01) Sun: 1969-12-12 (13:01:01) - 1975-12-13 (2:01:23) Moon: 1975-12-13 (2:01:23) - 1985-12-12 (15:37:55) Mars: 1985-12-12 (15:37:55) - 1992-12-12 (10:40:18) Rah: 1992-12-12 (10:40:18) - 2010-12-13 (1:27:09) VD at time of marriage: Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Rah MD: 1992-12-12 (10:40:18) - 2010-12-13 (1:27:09) Sat AD: 1998-01-17 (1:46:12) - 2000-11-24 (18:03:17) Sat PD: 1998-01-17 (1:46:12) - 1998-07-01 (4:51:15) Sat SD: 1998-01-17 (1:46:12) - 1998-02-11 (9:36:43) Rah PAD: 1998-02-04 (4:54:45) - 1998-02-08 (0:16:49) Deha-antardasas in this PAD: Merc: 1998-02-05 (21:15:00) - 1998-02-06 (10:11:39) Actually your case fits the theory like a textbook case. Thanks for sharing the data. Regards, Pratap jyotish mrutyunjay <astrologer_mrutyunjay > wrote: Dear Kaneria, This theory does not works. I have tried it already long ago. My dob 18:32 hours, 24th Feb1968, 85E45,21N45 Date of marriage-5th Feb 1998 With regards, Mrutyunjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Upendra, Thanks for the feedback. Yes the theory does not work here. I hope you are absolutely sure of TOB and marriage date. After I have a few examples of failures, I will examine them to see if they can be explained in any way. Regards, Pratap Upendra Agnihotram <upendra.agni > wrote: Respected Pratap ji, Please find the exception. I had checked 6 charts out of that 5 are satisfying ur rule. This is exception. June 18,1972, TOB: 15:10 78E30,17N27 Marriage happened on 8-may-04. See Moon Mahadasa was past in this chart. Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: Sun: 1970-07-19 - 1976-07-19 Moon: 1976-07-19 - 1986-07-19 Mars: 1986-07-19 - 1993-07-19 Rah: 1993-07-19 - 2011-07-20 Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Rah MD: 1993-07-19 (12:41:18) - 2011-07-20 (3:18:43) Ket AD: 2004-01-17 (19:05:17) - 2005-02-03 (18:09:02) Moon PD: 2004-04-30 (23:40:37) - 2004-06-02 (16:10:03) -- Regards, ------------------------ Upendra Agnihotram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Pratap, When moon MD ended the person was only 14 years old. As it is below 18 years, you should not consider it as an exception. Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com --- Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria > wrote: > Dear Upendra, > > Thanks for the feedback. Yes the theory does not work here. > I hope you are absolutely sure of TOB and marriage date. After > I have a few examples of failures, I will examine them to see > if they can be explained in any way. > > Regards, > > Pratap > > Upendra Agnihotram <upendra.agni > wrote: > Respected Pratap ji, > > Please find the exception. > > I had checked 6 charts out of that 5 are satisfying ur rule. > This is exception. > > June 18,1972, TOB: 15:10 78E30,17N27 > > Marriage happened on 8-may-04. See Moon Mahadasa was past > in this chart. > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Maha Dasas: > Sun: 1970-07-19 - 1976-07-19 > Moon: 1976-07-19 - 1986-07-19 > Mars: 1986-07-19 - 1993-07-19 > Rah: 1993-07-19 - 2011-07-20 > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > Rah MD: 1993-07-19 (12:41:18) - 2011-07-20 (3:18:43) > Ket AD: 2004-01-17 (19:05:17) - 2005-02-03 (18:09:02) > Moon PD: 2004-04-30 (23:40:37) - 2004-06-02 (16:10:03) > > > > -- > > Regards, > ------------------------ > Upendra Agnihotram. > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dear Vistiji, So far I was looking at the default vimshottari dasa selected by Jhora only (Jhora seems to select chandra vimsottari only). But now that you mention and due to the fact that I have seen a couple of exceptions, I am going to examine if lagna or chandra vimshottari applies better. How about vimsottari based on 7th lord etc? Can you give some hints ? Regards, Pratap Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pratap, Namaskar Are you applying any exceptions to your use of Vimshottari dasa? i.e. Lagna vs. Chandra Vimshottari? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of Pratap Kaneria 05 September 2006 06:02 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage Dear Prafulla, Yes. Thanks. I will keep that in mind. Of course, in today's age, marriage does not happen before let us say 18 or whatever. In old ages, I think sometimes marriages were done or at least decided at time of birth. Regardless, thanks for the pointer. Regards, Pratap Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Pratap ji, Just a pointer: Many a times the relevant dasa may appear, when such events can not occur (e.g. jupiter dasa at birth or very early - so native may not marry at that age). So, they may not disqualify for giving event later in their respective sub periods. Perhaps, you may consider (or not overlook) this as well, in your research paper. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > pkaneria > Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:20:39 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage > > Dear Upendra, > > Here is one more solid example. > > Feb 3, 1961, 21:39, 77E35, 12N59, Marriage date: May 6, 1991 > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Maha Dasas: > Ven: 1946-10-29 (1:54:03) - 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) > Sun: 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) - 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) > Moon: 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) - 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) > Mars: 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) - 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) > Rah: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > > VD at time of marriage > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Rah MD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > Rah AD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 1992-07-09 (16:11:34) > Merc PD: 1991-01-05 (19:53:20) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > Sat SD: 1991-05-01 (18:07:01) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > Merc PAD: 1991-05-05 (7:33:40) - 1991-05-08 (12:07:15) > > This pattern is logically quite acceptable. If a planet did not give > marriage in its mahadasa why would it give in its antar or pratayantar > dasa? If this gets proven beyond doubt, one can use it to rectify time of > birth to the seconds, in case of married natives. > > Regards, > > Pratap > > upendra_agni wrote: > Pratap ji, > > Can you give some examples? > > Regards, > Upendra > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: >> >> Respected Gurujans, >> >> While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage timing, > I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would like to > know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. >> >> I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at the time > of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa has passed > without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that mahadasa > (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and let us say > that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the planets > a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar dasa lords > at the time of marriage. >> >> I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible that > may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in the dasa > at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite helpful in > predicting marriage period. >> >> Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this pattern > does not work, if you can find a case. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Pratap >> > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 |om| Dear Pratap, namaste I follow your research...good efforts and do keep going. I have a couple of suggestions for you: (1) Does Pratap's rule for mahadasa work in charts of people who are *not married*? You need to consider these charts in your database. (2) Sanjay has often told me to look at Naisargika dasa first before going into other dasas to time the marriage. The basic idea is that in Naisargika dasa, Venus mahadasa runs from 12 to 32 years while Jupiter mahadasa runs from 32 to 50 years. Suppose that Venus is afflicted (in navamsa), it is unlikely that marriage would occur before 32. Can you use this as a filtering rule to identify the likely mahadasas in other dasa systems (ie., the normal Vimsottari Dasa)? best regards Hari On 9/6/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: > > *||Hare Rama Krsna||* > Dear Pratap, Namaskar > Please listen to the mixed discussion mp3 on my website. I have talked > about this. Dasa's should be defined from the self, hence the lagna and moon > come into consideration. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > ------------------------------ > ** [] > *On Behalf Of *Pratap Kaneria > *Sent:* 05 September 2006 22:54 > *To:* > *Subject:* RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > So far I was looking at the default vimshottari dasa selected by Jhora > only (Jhora seems to select chandra vimsottari only). But now that you > mention and due to the fact that I have seen a couple of exceptions, I am > going to examine if lagna or chandra vimshottari applies better. How about > vimsottari based on 7th lord etc? Can you give some hints ? > > Regards, > > Pratap > > *Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>* wrote: > > *||Hare Rama Krsna||* > Dear Pratap, Namaskar > Are you applying any exceptions to your use of Vimshottari dasa? i.e. > Lagna vs. Chandra Vimshottari? > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > *** > > > ------------------------------ > ** [] > *On Behalf Of *Pratap Kaneria > *Sent:* 05 September 2006 06:02 > *To:* > *Subject:* Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage > > > Dear Prafulla, > > Yes. Thanks. I will keep that in mind. Of course, in today's age, marriage > does not happen before let us say 18 or whatever. In old ages, I think > sometimes marriages were done or at least decided at time of birth. > Regardless, thanks for the pointer. > > Regards, > > Pratap > > *Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com>* wrote: > > Dear Pratap ji, > > Just a pointer: > > Many a times the relevant dasa may appear, when such events can not occur > (e.g. jupiter dasa at birth or very early - so native may not marry at > that age). So, they may not disqualify for giving event later in their > respective sub periods. Perhaps, you may consider (or not overlook) this as > well, in your research paper. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of > knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > > > > > pkaneria > > Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:20:39 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage > > > > Dear Upendra, > > > > Here is one more solid example. > > > > Feb 3, 1961, 21:39, 77E35, 12N59, Marriage date: May 6, 1991 > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > Maha Dasas: > > Ven: 1946-10-29 (1:54:03) - 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) > > Sun: 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) - 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) > > Moon: 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) - 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) > > Mars: 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) - 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) > > Rah: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > > > > VD at time of marriage > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > Rah MD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > > Rah AD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 1992-07-09 (16:11:34) > > Merc PD: 1991-01-05 (19:53:20) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > > Sat SD: 1991-05-01 (18:07:01) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > > Merc PAD: 1991-05-05 (7:33:40) - 1991-05-08 (12:07:15) > > > > This pattern is logically quite acceptable. If a planet did not give > > marriage in its mahadasa why would it give in its antar or pratayantar > > dasa? If this gets proven beyond doubt, one can use it to rectify time > of > > birth to the seconds, in case of married natives. > > > > Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > upendra_agni wrote: > > Pratap ji, > > > > Can you give some examples? > > > > Regards, > > Upendra > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Respected Gurujans, > >> > >> While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage timing, > > I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would like to > > know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. > >> > >> I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at the time > > of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa has passed > > without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that mahadasa > > (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and let us say > > that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the planets > > a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar dasa lords > > at the time of marriage. > >> > >> I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible that > > may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in the dasa > > at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite helpful in > > predicting marriage period. > >> > >> Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this pattern > > does not work, if you can find a case. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Pratap > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that > the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > today > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Dear Kaneria, What is the year length you used. I recall using Lahiri Ayanamsa and 360 day year length - long back when in 1992-93 when doing some research on the KP theory. ----------------------- By the way it is always easy for us to after justify the events. ------------------------ With regards, Mrutyunjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Dear Hari, Namaskar. Thanks for the suggestions. Please see my response below. Regards, Pratap Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi > wrote: |om| Dear Pratap, namaste I follow your research...good efforts and do keep going. I have a couple of suggestions for you: (1) Does Pratap's rule for mahadasa work in charts of people who are not married? You need to consider these charts in your database. " Pratap... I do not understand. What would I do with data of unmarried natives? Please explain." (2) Sanjay has often told me to look at Naisargika dasa first before going into other dasas to time the marriage. The basic idea is that in Naisargika dasa, Venus mahadasa runs from 12 to 32 years while Jupiter mahadasa runs from 32 to 50 years. Suppose that Venus is afflicted (in navamsa), it is unlikely that marriage would occur before 32. Can you use this as a filtering rule to identify the likely mahadasas in other dasa systems (ie., the normal Vimsottari Dasa)? "Pratap... Honestly I do not know anything about naisargika dasa. I think it may be available in Jhora. If it is available, I would look into it." best regards Hari On 9/6/06, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pratap, Namaskar Please listen to the mixed discussion mp3 on my website. I have talked about this. Dasa's should be defined from the self, hence the lagna and moon come into consideration. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [ ] On Behalf Of Pratap Kaneria 05 September 2006 22:54 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage Dear Vistiji, So far I was looking at the default vimshottari dasa selected by Jhora only (Jhora seems to select chandra vimsottari only). But now that you mention and due to the fact that I have seen a couple of exceptions, I am going to examine if lagna or chandra vimshottari applies better. How about vimsottari based on 7th lord etc? Can you give some hints ? Regards, Pratap Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pratap, Namaskar Are you applying any exceptions to your use of Vimshottari dasa? i.e. Lagna vs. Chandra Vimshottari? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [ ] On Behalf Of Pratap Kaneria 05 September 2006 06:02 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage Dear Prafulla, Yes. Thanks. I will keep that in mind. Of course, in today's age, marriage does not happen before let us say 18 or whatever. In old ages, I think sometimes marriages were done or at least decided at time of birth. Regardless, thanks for the pointer. Regards, Pratap Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Pratap ji, Just a pointer: Many a times the relevant dasa may appear, when such events can not occur (e.g. jupiter dasa at birth or very early - so native may not marry at that age). So, they may not disqualify for giving event later in their respective sub periods. Perhaps, you may consider (or not overlook) this as well, in your research paper. regards / Prafulla Gang The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will. > > pkaneria > Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:20:39 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimsottari dasa at time of marriage > > Dear Upendra, > > Here is one more solid example. > > Feb 3, 1961, 21:39, 77E35, 12N59, Marriage date: May 6, 1991 > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Maha Dasas: > Ven: 1946-10-29 (1:54:03) - 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) > Sun: 1966-10-29 (5:01:07) - 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) > Moon: 1972-10-28 (18:03:24) - 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) > Mars: 1982-10-29 (7:27:33) - 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) > Rah: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > > VD at time of marriage > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Rah MD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 2007-10-29 (17:22:32) > Rah AD: 1989-10-29 (2:34:55) - 1992-07-09 (16:11:34) > Merc PD: 1991-01-05 (19:53:20) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > Sat SD: 1991-05-01 (18:07:01) - 1991-05-24 (7:56:11) > Merc PAD: 1991-05-05 (7:33:40) - 1991-05-08 (12:07:15) > > This pattern is logically quite acceptable. If a planet did not give > marriage in its mahadasa why would it give in its antar or pratayantar > dasa? If this gets proven beyond doubt, one can use it to rectify time of > birth to the seconds, in case of married natives. > > Regards, > > Pratap > > upendra_agni wrote: > Pratap ji, > > Can you give some examples? > > Regards, > Upendra > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: >> >> Respected Gurujans, >> >> While going thru a lot of charts with focus on marriage timing, > I observed one pattern that I would like to share. I would like to > know if this is already mentioned in some classic or not. >> >> I have observed that " Antardasa and pratayantar dasa at the time > of marriage will never be that of a planet whose mahadasa has passed > without giving marriage". In other words, let us say that mahadasa > (right from the birth) of planets a,b and c has passed and let us say > that the marriage happens in mahadasa of planet d, then the planets > a,b and c will never appear as the antardasa or pratyantar dasa lords > at the time of marriage. >> >> I haven't looked beyond pratyantar dasa but it is possible that > may be a, b and c will never appear as lords of any level in the dasa > at time of marriage. If this is true, it can be quite helpful in > predicting marriage period. >> >> Please share birthdata and date of marriage where this pattern > does not work, if you can find a case. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Pratap >> > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 |om| Dear Pratap, namaste > (1) Does Pratap's rule for mahadasa work in charts of people who are *not > married*? You need to consider these charts in your database. > " Pratap... I do not understand. What would I do with data of unmarried > natives? Please explain." > > {Hari} If your rule is to be proved, it must work in charts of unmarried people as well. That is to say, in those charts, the mahadasas which were operative during the period considered do not have any connection to the 2nd house. Perhaps Sarajit can help me out here on the statistical principles here. (2) Sanjay has often told me to look at Naisargika dasa first before going > into other dasas to time the marriage. The basic idea is that in Naisargika > dasa, Venus mahadasa runs from 12 to 32 years while Jupiter mahadasa runs > from 32 to 50 years. Suppose that Venus is afflicted (in navamsa), it is > unlikely that marriage would occur before 32. Can you use this as a > filtering rule to identify the likely mahadasas in other dasa systems (ie., > the normal Vimsottari Dasa)? > > "Pratap... Honestly I do not know anything about naisargika dasa. I think > it may be available in Jhora. If it is available, I would look into it." > {Hari} Naisargika dasa is available in JHora under other dasas window pane. best regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Dear Pratap, Wish u to be in the best of your mind and spirit. simply saying about your astrological propositon(leave my personal chart and other things):- "Any life event can not happen if the dasa lord does not want it to happen." My personal view is that "why it can not be uniformly extended to Antardasa lords and so on..." HOPE ALL SUCCESS IN YOUR ASTROLOGICAL JOURNEY, With regards, Mrutyunjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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