Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya, This had happened in 1991 After attending a drama recording at All India Radio, Tirunelveli I was about to leave for home. Except my father no one was at home. it was already 5 pm and it would take minimu 2 hurs for me to reach home and my father(who does not know basic cooking even) would be waiting for me to cook for him. When I came out of the recording room, one of my friends in AIR met me. Unusually, he talked to me for more than ten minutes on all and sundry. I did not want to end the conversation and hurt him that I litened to him patiently. What he cooly said after 10 minutes or so was shocking. He said "OK Ganesh, it is getting late.. start start.. buses are not plying since some miscreants damaged a plitical leader's statue and mobs blocked traffic". I prayed within to Ramana Guru and rushed to main gate, where the watchman, who is also known to me very much stopped me to inform something to me. "Okay, Yegnaraman, I am in a hurry that buses are not plying and there is unrest" I told him. "Yes, I know" he replied just like that holding my hand tightly that I was unable to leave! Somehow, I got myself "released" from my friend and rushed to the nearest bus stand. While corssing the road, a car stopped with a sudden brake. When I looked at it, I could not believe my eyes. It was our Company car and our General Manager was in it! The driver picked me up and dropped at my home. What is Guru's grace is the TIMING. Knowing pretty well the approaching car from Thiruvanandapuram Airport with our GM, Bhagavan stopped me first through my friend inside AIR and then considering that still more time left for the car to cross the meeting point stopped me yet again physically by another friend at the Security Gate. O my Eternal Guru, your grace towards your devotees is abundant. Yet you don't take any credit. You remain unconcerned, show stoic silence and cryptic smile. Ramanaarpanam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya !!! This is really so beautiful and divine to read .Bhagavan haS been watching everyone and everything . HE comes to HIS devotees instantly most of the times and some times he does wait taking his own time where we go impatient I feel. Yes, I am waiting for HIS grace this time . Yors in Bhagavan SS ganesh <ramanarg > wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya, This had happened in 1991 After attending a drama recording at All India Radio, Tirunelveli I was about to leave for home. Except my father no one was at home. it was already 5 pm and it would take minimu 2 hurs for me to reach home and my father(who does not know basic cooking even) would be waiting for me to cook for him. When I came out of the recording room, one of my friends in AIR met me. Unusually, he talked to me for more than ten minutes on all and sundry. I did not want to end the conversation and hurt him that I litened to him patiently. What he cooly said after 10 minutes or so was shocking. He said "OK Ganesh, it is getting late.. start start.. buses are not plying since some miscreants damaged a plitical leader's statue and mobs blocked traffic". I prayed within to Ramana Guru and rushed to main gate, where the watchman, who is also known to me very much stopped me to inform something to me. "Okay, Yegnaraman, I am in a hurry that buses are not plying and there is unrest" I told him. "Yes, I know" he replied just like that holding my hand tightly that I was unable to leave! Somehow, I got myself "released" from my friend and rushed to the nearest bus stand. While corssing the road, a car stopped with a sudden brake. When I looked at it, I could not believe my eyes. It was our Company car and our General Manager was in it! The driver picked me up and dropped at my home. What is Guru's grace is the TIMING. Knowing pretty well the approaching car from Thiruvanandapuram Airport with our GM, Bhagavan stopped me first through my friend inside AIR and then considering that still more time left for the car to cross the meeting point stopped me yet again physically by another friend at the Security Gate. O my Eternal Guru, your grace towards your devotees is abundant. Yet you don't take any credit. You remain unconcerned, show stoic silence and cryptic smile. Ramanaarpanam. Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Dear Friends indeed the Graces of the Guru are inumerable and worth of praises. But i´d like to point out that the Graces are bestowed upon ALL living beings equally, according to their fate and karma, and not only to those who consider themselves HIS Devotees (of Baghavan). In fact, it is somewhat ironic that a Guru who came to preach Jnana Marga is object of such strong manifestations of Bhakti Marga! But again, all paths are equal, so no harm results whatsoever. To quote the Master: "Q: What is namaskara (prostration)?" M: Prostration means "subsidience of the ego". What is subsidience? To merge into the source of its origin. God cannot be deceived by outward genuflections, bowings and prostrations. He sees if the individuality is there." (Talks, Chapter 3, pg. 276) And to avoid deification of His bodily figure, Bhagavan has said: "Q: Does not the Guru take a concrete form? M: What is meant by ´concrete´? Because you identify your being with the body, you raise this question. Find out if you are the body. Q: Is not Grace the gift of the Guru? M: God, Grace, and Guru are all synonymous and also eternal and immanent. Is not the Self already within? Is it for the guru to bestow it by his look? If a Guru thinks so, he does not deserve the name." (Talks, Chapter 3, pg. 302) Wise, wise words of a true Master. Peace to all Ed - Sumathi RamanaMaharshi Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:28 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] ETERNAL GURU - 10 Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya !!! This is really so beautiful and divine to read .Bhagavan haS been watching everyone and everything . HE comes to HIS devotees instantly most of the times and some times he does wait taking his own time where we go impatient I feel. Yes, I am waiting for HIS grace this time . Yors in Bhagavan SS ganesh <ramanarg > wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya, This had happened in 1991 After attending a drama recording at All India Radio, Tirunelveli I was about to leave for home. Except my father no one was at home. it was already 5 pm and it would take minimu 2 hurs for me to reach home and my father(who does not know basic cooking even) would be waiting for me to cook for him. When I came out of the recording room, one of my friends in AIR met me. Unusually, he talked to me for more than ten minutes on all and sundry. I did not want to end the conversation and hurt him that I litened to him patiently. What he cooly said after 10 minutes or so was shocking. He said "OK Ganesh, it is getting late.. start start.. buses are not plying since some miscreants damaged a plitical leader's statue and mobs blocked traffic". I prayed within to Ramana Guru and rushed to main gate, where the watchman, who is also known to me very much stopped me to inform something to me. "Okay, Yegnaraman, I am in a hurry that buses are not plying and there is unrest" I told him. "Yes, I know" he replied just like that holding my hand tightly that I was unable to leave! Somehow, I got myself "released" from my friend and rushed to the nearest bus stand. While corssing the road, a car stopped with a sudden brake. When I looked at it, I could not believe my eyes. It was our Company car and our General Manager was in it! The driver picked me up and dropped at my home. What is Guru's grace is the TIMING. Knowing pretty well the approaching car from Thiruvanandapuram Airport with our GM, Bhagavan stopped me first through my friend inside AIR and then considering that still more time left for the car to cross the meeting point stopped me yet again physically by another friend at the Security Gate. O my Eternal Guru, your grace towards your devotees is abundant. Yet you don't take any credit. You remain unconcerned, show stoic silence and cryptic smile. Ramanaarpanam. Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release 04/09/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Please remember to shorten the mail to which you are responding, as has been done here. ~ ~ ~ Moderator ~ ~ ~ Tell me one thing uncle, do we HAVE TO recite HIS name to get HIS blessings? --- ganesh <ramanarg > wrote: > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya, > > This had happened in 1991 > > After attending a drama recording at All India > Radio, Tirunelveli I > was about to leave for home. Except my father no one > was at home. it > was already 5 pm and it would take minimu 2 hurs for > me to reach home > and my father(who does not know basic cooking even) > would be waiting > for me to cook for him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Indeed, Grace is there for everybody, especially as Grace is what IS. When one talks about Grace for the devotees of Bhagavan, it must be understood that there is no talk of "special" favours conferred on anyone. If one turns inwards, what he finds is Grace; only, people who have come under the spell of Bhagavan are probably more likely to look within... And there is no irony whatever in assuming the Bhakthi mode in our approach to Bhagvan.He has frequently said that that Bhakthi is Jnana mata, ie, Bhakthi is what paves the way for Jnana. And He always said not to differentiate between the two, preferring one to the other. Yours in Bhagavan, Sharada >"Edoardo" <ed (AT) ed77 (DOT) net> >RamanaMaharshi ><RamanaMaharshi> >Re: [RamanaMaharshi] ETERNAL GURU - 10 >Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:14:05 -0300 > >Dear Friends >indeed the Graces of the Guru are inumerable and worth of praises. But i´d >like to point out that the Graces are bestowed upon ALL living beings >equally, according to their fate and karma, and not only to those who >consider themselves HIS Devotees (of Baghavan). > >In fact, it is somewhat ironic that a Guru who came to preach Jnana Marga >is object of such strong manifestations of Bhakti Marga! But again, all >paths are equal, so no harm results whatsoever. > >To quote the Master: >"Q: What is namaskara (prostration)?" >M: Prostration means "subsidience of the ego". What is subsidience? To >merge into the source of its origin. God cannot be deceived by outward >genuflections, bowings and prostrations. He sees if the individuality is >there." (Talks, Chapter 3, pg. 276) > >And to avoid deification of His bodily figure, Bhagavan has said: > >"Q: Does not the Guru take a concrete form? >M: What is meant by ´concrete´? Because you identify your being with the >body, you raise this question. Find out if you are the body. >Q: Is not Grace the gift of the Guru? >M: God, Grace, and Guru are all synonymous and also eternal and immanent. >Is not the Self already within? Is it for the guru to bestow it by his >look? If a Guru thinks so, he does not deserve the name." (Talks, Chapter >3, pg. 302) > >Wise, wise words of a true Master. >Peace to all >Ed >- > Sumathi > RamanaMaharshi > Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:28 AM > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] ETERNAL GURU - 10 > > > Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya !!! > This is really so beautiful and divine to read .Bhagavan haS been >watching everyone and everything . > HE comes to HIS devotees instantly most of the times and some times he >does wait taking his own time where we go impatient I feel. > Yes, I am waiting for HIS grace this time . > Yors in Bhagavan > SS > > > ganesh <ramanarg > wrote: > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya, > > This had happened in 1991 > > After attending a drama recording at All India Radio, Tirunelveli I > was about to leave for home. Except my father no one was at home. it > was already 5 pm and it would take minimu 2 hurs for me to reach home > and my father(who does not know basic cooking even) would be waiting > for me to cook for him. > > When I came out of the recording room, one of my friends in AIR met > me. Unusually, he talked to me for more than ten minutes on all and > sundry. I did not want to end the conversation and hurt him that I > litened to him patiently. > > What he cooly said after 10 minutes or so was shocking. He said "OK > Ganesh, it is getting late.. start start.. buses are not plying since > some miscreants damaged a plitical leader's statue and mobs blocked > traffic". > > I prayed within to Ramana Guru and rushed to main gate, where the > watchman, who is also known to me very much stopped me to inform > something to me. "Okay, Yegnaraman, I am in a hurry that buses are > not plying and there is unrest" I told him. "Yes, I know" he > replied just like that holding my hand tightly that I was unable to > leave! > > Somehow, I got myself "released" from my friend and rushed to the > nearest bus stand. While corssing the road, a car stopped with a > sudden brake. When I looked at it, I could not believe my eyes. It > was our Company car and our General Manager was in it! The driver > picked me up and dropped at my home. > > What is Guru's grace is the TIMING. Knowing pretty well the > approaching car from Thiruvanandapuram Airport with our GM, Bhagavan > stopped me first through my friend inside AIR and then considering > that still more time left for the car to cross the meeting point > stopped me yet again physically by another friend at the Security > Gate. > > O my Eternal Guru, your grace towards your devotees is abundant. Yet > you don't take any credit. You remain unconcerned, show stoic silence > and cryptic smile. > > Ramanaarpanam. > Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear All, I am not qualified to comment on this, but I would like to reproduce C. Rajagopalachari's brief comment on this, from his introduction to Adi Sankara's Bhaja Govindam. 'Adi Shankaracharya wrote a number of Vedantic works for imparting knowledge of the Self and the Universal Spirit. He also composed a number of hymns to foster Bhakti in the hearts of men. One of these hymns is the famous Bhaja Govindam. The way of devotion, is not different from the way of knowledge or jnana. When intelligence matures and lodges securely in the mind, it becomes wisdom. When wisdom is integrated with life and issues out in action, it becomes bhakti. Knowledge, when it becomes fully mature is bhakti. If it doesnot get transformed into bhakthi, such knowledge is useless tinsel. To believe that jnana and bhakti, knowledge and devotion are different from each other, is ignorance. If Sri Adi Shankara himself who drank the ocean of jnana as easily as one sip's water from the palm of one's hand, sang in his later years, hymns to develop devotion, it is enough to show that jnana and bhakti are one and the same. Sri Shankara has packed into the Bhaja GovindaM song: the substance of all vedanta, and set the oneness of jnana and bhakti to melodious music.' Yours in Bhagavan, Nandu > >"Edoardo" <ed > >RamanaMaharshi > ><RamanaMaharshi> > >Re: [RamanaMaharshi] ETERNAL GURU - 10 > >Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:14:05 -0300 > > > >Dear Friends > >indeed the Graces of the Guru are inumerable and worth of praises. But i´d > >like to point out that the Graces are bestowed upon ALL living beings > >equally, according to their fate and karma, and not only to those who > >consider themselves HIS Devotees (of Baghavan). > > > >In fact, it is somewhat ironic that a Guru who came to preach Jnana Marga > >is object of such strong manifestations of Bhakti Marga! But again, all > >paths are equal, so no harm results whatsoever. > > > >To quote the Master: > >"Q: What is namaskara (prostration)?" > >M: Prostration means "subsidience of the ego". What is subsidience? To > >merge into the source of its origin. God cannot be deceived by outward > >genuflections, bowings and prostrations. He sees if the individuality is > >there." (Talks, Chapter 3, pg. 276) > > > >And to avoid deification of His bodily figure, Bhagavan has said: > > > >"Q: Does not the Guru take a concrete form? > >M: What is meant by ´concrete´? Because you identify your being with the > >body, you raise this question. Find out if you are the body. > >Q: Is not Grace the gift of the Guru? > >M: God, Grace, and Guru are all synonymous and also eternal and immanent. > >Is not the Self already within? Is it for the guru to bestow it by his > >look? If a Guru thinks so, he does not deserve the name." (Talks, Chapter > >3, pg. 302) > > > >Wise, wise words of a true Master. > >Peace to all > >Ed > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 aqua_minerale42 <aqua_minerale42 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ' The way of devotion, is not different from the way of knowledge or jnana. When intelligence matures and lodges securely in the mind, it becomes wisdom. When wisdom is integrated with life and issues out in action, it becomes bhakti. Knowledge, when it becomes fully mature is bhakti. If it doesnot get transformed into bhakthi, such knowledge is useless tinsel. To believe that jnana and bhakti, knowledge and devotion are different from each other, is ignorance. If Sri Adi Shankara himself who drank the ocean of jnana as easily as one sip's water from the palm of one's hand, sang in his later years, hymns to develop devotion, it is enough to show that jnana and bhakti are one and the same. Sri Shankara has packed into the Bhaja GovindaM song: the substance of all vedanta, and set the oneness of jnana and bhakti to melodious music.' Dear members, I don't accept the idea of CR that knowledge matures into bakthi; on the other hand knowledge is the culmination, requiring no further consummation. CR's speech is only intellectual, being unphilosophical. CR was more political than religious as can be evidenced from the fact that he did not care to see such a great mahatma like Bhaghavan, when he had actually come to participate in the consecration ceremony of the pathalalingam, on silly grounds of such an item not having been included in his itenary. CR was also averse to Ghandhiji meeting Bhaghavan for fear of Ghandiji abandoning freedom movement and taking over to self-enquiry. CR's conduct smacks of lack of spiritual understanding; he is only a man of literary attainments. yours ever in Bhaghavan Sankarraman Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Sir, I put this extract up as a clarification. Whether CR was political, philosophical or neither is not the point. The fact is that what he has written in that passage is of great relevance. On another occasion, the Maharshi Himself told Dilip Kumar Roy that bhakti was the mother of jnana. The clarification is important, I feel. And not whether the person who said it was a devotee of Bhagavan or someone who prevented others from visiting Bhagavan. As the name Bhagavan implies, He is above all that. To date, a devotee of Ramana does not try to convert someone who is on another path. Anyway, lets try and clarify further the intricate relationship between jnana and bhakti. Yours in Bhagavan Nandu Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran > wrote: aqua_minerale42 <aqua_minerale42 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ' The way of devotion, is not different from the way of knowledge or jnana. When intelligence matures and lodges securely in the mind, it becomes wisdom. When wisdom is integrated with life and issues out in action, it becomes bhakti. Knowledge, when it becomes fully mature is bhakti. If it doesnot get transformed into bhakthi, such knowledge is useless tinsel. To believe that jnana and bhakti, knowledge and devotion are different from each other, is ignorance. If Sri Adi Shankara himself who drank the ocean of jnana as easily as one sip's water from the palm of one's hand, sang in his later years, hymns to develop devotion, it is enough to show that jnana and bhakti are one and the same. Sri Shankara has packed into the Bhaja GovindaM song: the substance of all vedanta, and set the oneness of jnana and bhakti to melodious music.' Dear members, I don't accept the idea of CR that knowledge matures into bakthi; on the other hand knowledge is the culmination, requiring no further consummation. CR's speech is only intellectual, being unphilosophical. CR was more political than religious as can be evidenced from the fact that he did not care to see such a great mahatma like Bhaghavan, when he had actually come to participate in the consecration ceremony of the pathalalingam, on silly grounds of such an item not having been included in his itenary. CR was also averse to Ghandhiji meeting Bhaghavan for fear of Ghandiji abandoning freedom movement and taking over to self-enquiry. CR's conduct smacks of lack of spiritual understanding; he is only a man of literary attainments. yours ever in Bhaghavan Sankarraman Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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