Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Q: How long is a Guru necessary for Self-ralisation? A: Guru is necessary so long as there is ignorance. Ignorance is due to self-imposed but wrong limitation of the Self. God , on being worshipped, bestows steadiness in devotion which leads to surrender. On the devotee surrendering, God shows his mercy by manifesting as the Guru. The Guru, otherwise God, guides the devotee, saying that God is within and that he is not different from the Self. This leads to introversion of mind and finally to realisation. Q: If Grace is so important, what is the role of individual effort? A: Effort is necessary up to the state of realisation. Even then the Self should spontaneously become evident, otherwise happiness will not be complete. Up to that state of spontaneity there must be effort in some form or other. There is state beyond our efforts or effortlessness. Until it is realised effort is necessary. After tasting such bliss, even once, one will repeatedly try to regain it. Having once experienced the bliss of peace no one wants to be out of it or to engage in any other activity. These word are taken from the Book " Be as You Are" The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Edited By David Godman Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Thanx for the msg Ms. Shilpa. It was really useful Keep mailing such excerpts. Regards, Vinod --- shilpa p <shilpa_gvp (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Q: How long is a Guru necessary for > Self-ralisation? > > A: Guru is necessary so long as there is ignorance. > Ignorance is due to self-imposed but wrong > limitation of the Self. God , on being worshipped, > bestows steadiness in devotion which leads to > surrender. On the devotee surrendering, God shows > his mercy by manifesting as the Guru. The Guru, > otherwise God, guides the devotee, saying that God > is within and that he is not different from the > Self. This leads to introversion of mind and finally > to realisation. > > > Q: If Grace is so important, what is the role of > individual effort? > > A: Effort is necessary up to the state of > realisation. Even then the Self should spontaneously > become evident, otherwise happiness will not be > complete. Up to that state of spontaneity there must > be effort in some form or other. > > There is state beyond our efforts or > effortlessness. Until it is realised effort is > necessary. After tasting such bliss, even once, one > will repeatedly try to regain it. Having once > experienced the bliss of peace no one wants to be > out of it or to engage in any other activity. > > > These word are taken from the Book " Be as You Are" > The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Edited By David > Godman > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Vinod, The message I put yesterday had just happened like that without much notice. Hope it is the Grace of Ramana and only Ramana . I am very happy to be in this group sharing all your views. Sometimes I feel as if there are no words to express the Grace. There is nothing else other than Ramana. Ramana is the Prana, the breath, the mind .... etc. He is everything. Without him there is no life. I am sorry to put these lines in my words. I felt like expressing all this to you so i did. Thanx to all for giving me this opportunity. Vinod <spirithealer79 > wrote: Thanx for the msg Ms. Shilpa. It was really useful Keep mailing such excerpts. Regards, Vinod --- shilpa p <shilpa_gvp (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Q: How long is a Guru necessary for > Self-ralisation? > > A: Guru is necessary so long as there is ignorance. > Ignorance is due to self-imposed but wrong > limitation of the Self. God , on being worshipped, > bestows steadiness in devotion which leads to > surrender. On the devotee surrendering, God shows > his mercy by manifesting as the Guru. The Guru, > otherwise God, guides the devotee, saying that God > is within and that he is not different from the > Self. This leads to introversion of mind and finally > to realisation. > > > Q: If Grace is so important, what is the role of > individual effort? > > A: Effort is necessary up to the state of > realisation. Even then the Self should spontaneously > become evident, otherwise happiness will not be > complete. Up to that state of spontaneity there must > be effort in some form or other. > > There is state beyond our efforts or > effortlessness. Until it is realised effort is > necessary. After tasting such bliss, even once, one > will repeatedly try to regain it. Having once > experienced the bliss of peace no one wants to be > out of it or to engage in any other activity. > > > These word are taken from the Book " Be as You Are" > The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Edited By David > Godman > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Yes shilpa, you are right. its all HIS grace. After the intro of Sri Ramana given by my uncle long long ago, maybe 1997 or '98, i've not been able to dedicate myself to Sri Ramana all these years. Now-a-days i've not been comfortable at work. two weeks ago, i was just swapping channels and suddenly i saw a documentary of Sri Ramana coming in one channel. Then my uncle sent the invite to join this grp. As u rightly said, "there are no words to express HIS Grace". Maybe i'm badly in need of HIS grace and thats y HE's involving me all these activities and by thanking you all, i think i am thanking him in-turn. Thanx and regards, Vinod --- shilpa p <shilpa_gvp (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Hi Vinod, > > The message I put yesterday had just > happened like that without much notice. Hope it is > the Grace of Ramana and only Ramana . I am very > happy to be in this group sharing all your views. > Sometimes I feel as if there are no words to express > the Grace. There is nothing else other than Ramana. > Ramana is the Prana, the breath, the mind .... etc. > He is everything. Without him there is no life. > > I am sorry to put these lines in my words. I felt > like expressing all this to you so i did. Thanx to > all for giving me this opportunity. > > Vinod <spirithealer79 > wrote: > Thanx for the msg Ms. Shilpa. It > was really useful > Keep mailing such excerpts. > > Regards, > > Vinod > > --- shilpa p <shilpa_gvp (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > Q: How long is a Guru necessary for > > Self-ralisation? > > > > A: Guru is necessary so long as there is > ignorance. > > Ignorance is due to self-imposed but wrong > > limitation of the Self. God , on being > worshipped, > > bestows steadiness in devotion which leads to > > surrender. On the devotee surrendering, God shows > > his mercy by manifesting as the Guru. The Guru, > > otherwise God, guides the devotee, saying that > God > > is within and that he is not different from the > > Self. This leads to introversion of mind and > finally > > to realisation. > > > > > > Q: If Grace is so important, what is the role of > > individual effort? > > > > A: Effort is necessary up to the state of > > realisation. Even then the Self should > spontaneously > > become evident, otherwise happiness will not be > > complete. Up to that state of spontaneity there > must > > be effort in some form or other. > > > > There is state beyond our efforts or > > effortlessness. Until it is realised effort is > > necessary. After tasting such bliss, even once, > one > > will repeatedly try to regain it. Having once > > experienced the bliss of peace no one wants to be > > out of it or to engage in any other activity. > > > > > > These word are taken from the Book " Be as You > Are" > > The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Edited By > David > > Godman > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for > - > > Answers > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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