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Dear Scholars,

 

I have some basic questions about the date of the Brahma Sutras of

Badarayana.

 

Sampradaya identifies the identity of badarayana with Veda Vyasa, the

redactor of the Vedas, Itihaasa-s and Purana-s. The latter's age is

said to be around the end of the Treta Yuga, i.e around 3100 BCE.

 

If Badarayana is identified with Veda Vyasa, some problems arise.

 

This is because the brahma Sutras of badarayana refer to

Buddhist/Jaina/Naasthika doctrines which are known to have

historically been existent only after 400 BCE.

 

If such be the case above, how is badarayana the same as Veda Vyasa?

 

Regards,

 

Malolan

 

 

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Dear Sri Malolan Cadambi, As adiyEn heard from a scholar during Kalakshepams, the so called doctrines of Buddhism etc. were in existent even before the advent of the Buddha, Mahavir etc. and therefore there need be no doubt about the references to these in the Brahma Sutras of Badarayana who was none other than Veda Vyasa. Such ideas or views get boosted up by some personalities who become attracted by these ideas. Even in Ramayana, atheistic ideas are discussed and rejected.

Regards,

dAsan srInivAsan

 

 

Malolan Cadambi <mcadambi > wrote: Dear Scholars,

 

I have some basic questions about the date of the Brahma Sutras of

Badarayana.

 

Sampradaya identifies the identity of badarayana with Veda Vyasa, the

redactor of the Vedas, Itihaasa-s and Purana-s. The latter's age is

said to be around the end of the Treta Yuga, i.e around 3100 BCE.

 

If Badarayana is identified with Veda Vyasa, some problems arise.

 

This is because the brahma Sutras of badarayana refer to

Buddhist/Jaina/Naasthika doctrines which are known to have

historically been existent only after 400 BCE.

 

If such be the case above, how is badarayana the same as Veda Vyasa?

 

Regards,

 

Malolan

 

 

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Dear Sri Malolan,

Buddhists and Jains themselves believe that that there were many Buddhas

and Mahavir's prior to those dated to the 4th and 5th centuries. And that the

ideas they expressed are also very old.

When adiyEn asked a similar question to a scholar regarding Azhvars

dates and their references to Buddhist and Jainist philosophies, I was

told the same. That there is no need to tie these philosophies only to

the most recent known Buddha or Mahavir.

adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan

 

Malolan Cadambi <mcadambi > wrote:

Dear Scholars,

 

I have some basic questions about the date of the Brahma Sutras of

Badarayana.

 

Sampradaya identifies the identity of badarayana with Veda Vyasa, the

redactor of the Vedas, Itihaasa-s and Purana-s. The latter's age is

said to be around the end of the Treta Yuga, i.e around 3100 BCE.

 

If Badarayana is identified with Veda Vyasa, some problems arise.

 

This is because the brahma Sutras of badarayana refer to

Buddhist/Jaina/Naasthika doctrines which are known to have

historically been existent only after 400 BCE.

 

If such be the case above, how is badarayana the same as Veda Vyasa?

 

Regards,

 

Malolan

 

 

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Sri:

In connection with this query, we would like to see if there is any

remote reference to Buddha in our granthas.

Let us take up Ramayana. We know that at many places where srirama

exhibited fury, He was compared to pralayagni, and Rudra when killing

Andhakasura and tripurasura. Which means that the episodes of Siva were

all past, by or before treta yuga. Hanuman's advice to Ravana "brahmA

svayambhU: chaturAnano vA. rudra striNEtrastripurAntako vA..." is a proof

that tripurasura vadham was much before the time of srirama.

Now, there is a name in srivenkata sahasranamam, "tripurastrImAnabhanga:"

that is one who outraged the modesty of wife of tripura demon.

Just like tulasi's story, even tripura's wife was a chaste woman who went

on a pilgrimage to kshetrams to pray for the longevity of her husband and

security of her mAngalyam. At one place she saw very beautiful handsome

Buddha who was digambara or nude and lost her heart to him and embraced

him in ecstasy forgetting her mission. Of course, Buddha was unaffected by

this embrace. This buddha was the avatAra of Vishnu meant to mislead all

demons to hate vedas by his mesmerising words.

 

Refer to names in Srivishnusahasranama "durArihA, shubhAngo

lokasAranga:sutantu:.. kritAgama: .. suvarnabindurakshobhya:...

sarvavAgIshvareshvara: mahAhrado mahagarto " which refer to buddhAvatAra

much earlier to the last buddha.

 

So once her chastity was lost it was easy for Rudra to kill tripurasura

with the help of Vishnu.

see "yasyAtmatAm tripurabhanga vidhAvadhAstvaM.." in atimAnushastavam of

KurattAlvAn.

This shows that this buddha was in treta or krita yuga itself. Therefore

it is not out of place to mention Bouddhamatam and Arhat and other

bAhyamatams in brahmasUtras and it will not postdate brahmasutras.

 

Besides, in srivishnupurAna 3-3, SriparAsara mentions that in every

dvApara yuga one person is born with the identity to Vishnu, as vyAsa.

Seeing the weakness and ignorance of people, God sends one to demarcate

vedas into four parts. In this Vaivaswata manvantara in which 27

chaturyugas have past the 28th is running now, ParAsara says that there

have been 28 vedavyAsas so far and enumerates them. Highlights among them

are BrahmA(first), prajApati (second) , SukrachArya (third), Indra,

bruhaspati, vasishtha (shakti's father), bhAradvaja, goutama, vAlmIki,

Jaya (in the 18th dvApara and this name also stands for 18 "tatO jayam

udIrayEt" ), Shakti (parasara's father), Parasara himself in 26 th

dvAparayuga, and the present vedavyAsa in 28th dvAparayuga known as

krishnadvaipAyana who wrote mahAbhArata.

Cf "krishnadvaipAyanam vyAsam viddhi nArayaNam prabhuM, kOhyanyO bhuvi

maitrEya mahAbhAratakrit bhavEt" and parAsarabhattar's "namO nArAyaNAyEdam

krishnadvaipAyanAtmanE. yadAmushyAyaNA vedA mahAbhAratapanchamA:" in

bhagavadgunadarpanam.

These may also give clue to the time of origin bAhyamatas which is not

just 400 BC. It may be many yugas ago.

 

dasan

Ramanuja

 

> Malolan Cadambi <mcadambi > wrote:

> Dear Scholars,

>

> I have some basic questions about the date of the Brahma Sutras of

> Badarayana.

>

> Sampradaya identifies the identity of badarayana with Veda Vyasa, the

> redactor of the Vedas, Itihaasa-s and Purana-s. The latter's age is

> said to be around the end of the Treta Yuga, i.e around 3100 BCE.

>

> If Badarayana is identified with Veda Vyasa, some problems arise.

>

> This is because the brahma Sutras of badarayana refer to

> Buddhist/Jaina/Naasthika doctrines which are known to have

> historically been existent only after 400 BCE.

>

> If such be the case above, how is badarayana the same as Veda Vyasa?

>

> Regards,

>

> Malolan

>

>

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