Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 The term “Supreme Soul” (paramatma) means that He is the supreme among all souls. It implies that He also is a ‘soul’, though He is the Highest of all. About Him, it is said that He is above birth and death. Clearly, therefore, this cannot be said about any being who has a body, whether a human body or the one that belongs to some other species. Moreover, He is the Supreme Father of all. Now he, who is the Father of all, must have no father .So, the fact that He is known as the Supreme Father also points out that He does not have a body. Since He is incorporeal, that is why it is said that He has no ears but He hears, He has no physical eyes but He can see and He has no feet and yet He moves or walks. Also, that’s the reason why all people say that God is Light, a Jyoti (Effulgence personified) or Noor (a self-luminous object). But they do not know what form that Light has. Just as a soul is a point-of-light (Jyoti bindu), even so the Father of souls i.e., the Supreme Soul also is a point-of-light (Jyoti bindu). There is difference between Him and the other souls in respect of qualities. God is changeless, being the Ocean of Peace, bliss and love. He is above birth and death and is immune to pleasure and pain, whereas the other souls are in the vortex of birth and death and pleasure and pain. But, in form, the soul and the Supreme Soul are alike even as we find that, in this gross world, the young one and its parents have the same form, a child has the same human form as resembles the form of its parents. So let it be clear in the mind that God is not formless but is like the souls, a Point-of-Light. We may have observed that all religions have images, idols or memorials, bearing one name or another, to represent this form of Light that God has. Everywhere in India, images of this form that Shiva has, are found installed; these images are without face or ears or feet or body which fact clearly point out that is the Symbol of an Incorporeal Being. At one place, it is called ‘Vishwanath’ (meaning the lord of Universe),at another ‘Amarnath’( the Father of souls). At a third place it is named Mukteshwara (the Bestower of Liberation) and it bears the names Papkateshwara (meaning the Expiator of sins) at a fourth place. All these names prove that these images represent the Divine Form of God, because none else but the Supreme Soul is the Lord of the world, the Lord of the immortal souls, the Bestower of liberation and the Destroyer of sins. He is God of all Deities, and, being Rama’s God, is rightly remembers as Rameshwara. Being Krishna’s Lord, His memory as Gopeshwara is preserved in a town called Vrindavan, by means of an idol, called ‘Gopeshwara’. Outside India, there is, in Mecca, an image having this form; the followers of Islam call this image as “ Sang-e-Aswad”. People of India call it ‘Meccaeshwara’. Even these days, Muslims who go to Mecca for a Haj (pilgrimage), kiss this holy stone. Yet it is not known to them why there is this custom of kissing this sacred stone and whose memorial or image it is. Though the Muslims do not worship any idols yet they do not know why this image or idol stands these and is held to be sacred or worship-worthy. Christ, the founder of Christianity also said ‘God is Light’. Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism also sang the praise of Him who is ‘All Light’ and is incorporeal. In olden days, the jews held a stone of this shape in their hands while taking a solemn oath and it is also believed that Moses had vision of this form of God when he saw a Flame behind the bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Internet is God gift to me. I have a very busy life. I love Lord Perumal so much. I am working very hard to learn about Him. With His bless and His true devotees, I have improved on Vaishnavas knowledge. I believe that those who are involved in are Vaishnavas.... I respect other religion and followers. Please let me progress in my world of "Perumal". I live in a country of multi-religion and it is out of India. I grow with "Perumal" and let me leave this world with "Perumal". Whether it is the "truth" or not, it does'nt matter. The Vaishnavas believe/teaching cause no harm to anyone. Please, kindly understand.......let live peacefuly. Hari om raju p <raju0505 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: The term “Supreme Soul” (paramatma) means that He is the supreme among all souls. It implies that He also is a ‘soul’, though He is the Highest of all. About Him, it is said that He is above birth and death. Clearly, therefore, this cannot be said about any being who has a body, whether a human body or the one that belongs to some other species. Moreover, He is the Supreme Father of all. Now he, who is the Father of all, must have no father .So, the fact that He is known as the Supreme Father also points out that He does not have a body. Since He is incorporeal, that is why it is said that He has no ears but He hears, He has no physical eyes but He can see and He has no feet and yet He moves or walks. Also, that’s the reason why all people say that God is Light, a Jyoti (Effulgence personified) or Noor (a self-luminous object). But they do not know what form that Light has. Just as a soul is a point-of-light (Jyoti bindu), even so the Father of souls i.e., the Supreme Soul also is a point-of-light (Jyoti bindu). There is difference between Him and the other souls in respect of qualities. God is changeless, being the Ocean of Peace, bliss and love. He is above birth and death and is immune to pleasure and pain, whereas the other souls are in the vortex of birth and death and pleasure and pain. But, in form, the soul and the Supreme Soul are alike even as we find that, in this gross world, the young one and its parents have the same form, a child has the same human form as resembles the form of its parents. So let it be clear in the mind that God is not formless but is like the souls, a Point-of-Light. We may have observed that all religions have images, idols or memorials, bearing one name or another, to represent this form of Light that God has. Everywhere in India, images of this form that Shiva has, are found installed; these images are without face or ears or feet or body which fact clearly point out that is the Symbol of an Incorporeal Being. At one place, it is called ‘Vishwanath’ (meaning the lord of Universe),at another ‘Amarnath’( the Father of souls). At a third place it is named Mukteshwara (the Bestower of Liberation) and it bears the names Papkateshwara (meaning the Expiator of sins) at a fourth place. All these names prove that these images represent the Divine Form of God, because none else but the Supreme Soul is the Lord of the world, the Lord of the immortal souls, the Bestower of liberation and the Destroyer of sins. He is God of all Deities, and, being Rama’s God, is rightly remembers as Rameshwara. Being Krishna’s Lord, His memory as Gopeshwara is preserved in a town called Vrindavan, by means of an idol, called ‘Gopeshwara’. Outside India, there is, in Mecca, an image having this form; the followers of Islam call this image as “ Sang-e-Aswad”. People of India call it ‘Meccaeshwara’. Even these days, Muslims who go to Mecca for a Haj (pilgrimage), kiss this holy stone. Yet it is not known to them why there is this custom of kissing this sacred stone and whose memorial or image it is. Though the Muslims do not worship any idols yet they do not know why this image or idol stands these and is held to be sacred or worship-worthy. Christ, the founder of Christianity also said ‘God is Light’. Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism also sang the praise of Him who is ‘All Light’ and is incorporeal. In olden days, the jews held a stone of this shape in their hands while taking a solemn oath and it is also believed that Moses had vision of this form of God when he saw a Flame behind the bush. Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Dear Moderator: Namo Narayana! The stated purpose of this Group is to glorify the Supreme Father, Sriman Narayana. So, please ensure that irrelevant and meaningless posts, such as the one below, are not permitted. What's described below is pure Mayavad philosophy - Impersonalism - which was ANATHEMA to our purvacharyas, and is strictly opposed by ALL Vaishnava philosophies. Sri Ramanujacharya and Sri Desikacharya clearly elucidate and emphasize the PERSONAL form of our Lord, as do ALL Vaishnava philosophies [sri, Gaudiiya etc]. The post below is an insult to our grand and wonderful tradition, understanding, scriptures, and culture. Sri Raju - please do not mistake me; this is NOT a forum for your kind of Mayavad philosophy. Kindly either just read the posts of SriVaishnavas, or post things that are in agreement to the main idea of the Group so it leads to a common understanding and not confusion. Namo Narayana. In your service, Seshadri , raju p <raju0505 wrote: > > The term "Supreme Soul" (paramatma) means that He is > the supreme among all souls. It implies that He also > is a `soul', though He is the Highest of all. About > Him, it is said that He is above birth and death. > Clearly, therefore, this cannot be said about any > being who has a body, whether a human body or the one > that belongs to some other species. Moreover, He is > the Supreme Father of all. Now he, who is the Father > of all, must have no father .So, the fact that He is > known as the Supreme Father also points out that He > does not have a body. Since He is incorporeal, that is > why it is said that He has no ears but He hears, He > has no physical eyes but He can see and He has no feet > and yet He moves or walks. > > Also, that's the reason why all people say that God > is Light, a Jyoti (Effulgence personified) or Noor (a > self-luminous object). But they do not know what form > that Light has. Just as a soul is a point-of-light > (Jyoti bindu), even so the Father of souls i.e., the > Supreme Soul also is a point-of-light (Jyoti bindu). > There is difference between Him and the other souls in > respect of qualities. God is changeless, being the > Ocean of Peace, bliss and love. He is above birth and > death and is immune to pleasure and pain, whereas the > other souls are in the vortex of birth and death and > pleasure and pain. But, in form, the soul and the > Supreme Soul are alike even as we find that, in this > gross world, the young one and its parents have the > same form, a child has the same human form as > resembles the form of its parents. So let it be clear > in the mind that God is not formless but is like the > souls, a Point-of-Light. > > We may have observed that all religions have images, > idols or memorials, bearing one name or another, to > represent this form of Light that God has. Everywhere > in India, images of this form that Shiva has, are > found installed; these images are without face or ears > or feet or body which fact clearly point out that is > the Symbol of an Incorporeal Being. At one place, it > is called `Vishwanath' (meaning the lord of > Universe),at another `Amarnath'( the Father of > souls). At a third place it is named Mukteshwara (the > Bestower of Liberation) and it bears the names > Papkateshwara (meaning the Expiator of sins) at a > fourth place. All these names prove that these images > represent the Divine Form of God, because none else > but the Supreme Soul is the Lord of the world, the > Lord of the immortal souls, the Bestower of liberation > and the Destroyer of sins. He is God of all Deities, > and, being Rama's God, is rightly remembers as > Rameshwara. Being Krishna's Lord, His memory as > Gopeshwara is preserved in a town called Vrindavan, by > means of an idol, called `Gopeshwara'. > > Outside India, there is, in Mecca, an image having > this form; the followers of Islam call this image as " > Sang-e-Aswad". People of India call it `Meccaeshwara'. > Even these days, Muslims who go to Mecca for a Haj > (pilgrimage), kiss this holy stone. Yet it is not > known to them why there is this custom of kissing this > sacred stone and whose memorial or image it is. Though > the Muslims do not worship any idols yet they do not > know why this image or idol stands these and is held > to be sacred or worship-worthy. > > Christ, the founder of Christianity also said `God is > Light'. > Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism also sang the > praise of Him who is `All Light' and is incorporeal. > In olden days, the jews held a stone of this shape in > their hands while taking a solemn oath and it is also > believed that Moses had vision of this form of God > when he saw a Flame behind the bush. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dear Moderator : If the name Dhivya Desam refers to the KshEthrams sung by AzhwArs and AchAryAs ( uhantha nilam) , then you have to confine the discussions to them rather than extraneous topics . Moderation is the only way to keep the content on the right track. There are other places for philosophers . V.Sadagopan - usha usha Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:56 AM Re: Supreme Soul Internet is God gift to me. I have a very busy life. I love Lord Perumal so much. I am working very hard to learn about Him. With His bless and His true devotees, I have improved on Vaishnavas knowledge. I believe that those who are involved in are Vaishnavas.... I respect other religion and followers. Please let me progress in my world of "Perumal". I live in a country of multi-religion and it is out of India. I grow with "Perumal" and let me leave this world with "Perumal". Whether it is the "truth" or not, it does'nt matter. The Vaishnavas believe/teaching cause no harm to anyone. Please, kindly understand.......let live peacefuly. Hari om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 yes i totally agree with Dr.Sadagopan and feel that the discussions should confine only to the relevant topic manju rajagopalan >"Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net> > ><> >Re: Supreme Soul >Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:16:55 -0400 > >Dear Moderator : > >If the name Dhivya Desam refers to >the KshEthrams sung by AzhwArs >and AchAryAs ( uhantha nilam) , >then you have to confine the discussions >to them rather than extraneous topics . > >Moderation is the only way to keep >the content on the right track. > >There are other places for philosophers . > >V.Sadagopan > > - > usha usha > > Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:56 AM > Re: Supreme Soul > > > Internet is God gift to me. I have a very busy life. I love >Lord Perumal so much. I am working very hard to learn about Him. >With His bless and His true devotees, I have improved on >Vaishnavas knowledge. I believe that those who are involved in > are Vaishnavas.... I respect other religion and >followers. Please let me progress in my world of "Perumal". I >live in a country of multi-religion and it is out of India. I grow >with "Perumal" and let me leave this world with "Perumal". Whether it > is the "truth" or not, it does'nt matter. The Vaishnavas >believe/teaching cause no harm to anyone. Please, kindly >understand.......let live peacefuly. Hari om > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Respected Sri Satagopan OM NAMO NARAYAN! What you said on the aim of this Group is 100% right. Prostrations at the Holy Feet of AAZHWAARS! Adiyen Kannan OM SRI CHINMAYA SADGURAVE NAMAH: ------------------ Probn. CA P.N.Kannan, B.Com., FCA (Director, CORD,Thamaraipakkam) 'Keshavam' Crystal Kasthuri Apts., Flat No.:'E' Third Floor Plot No 5072, New No 91., Sixth Avenue, 'Z' Block Anna Nagar, CHENNAI 600 040 Moblle : 9381062307 Phones: (Res) 044 42178514 (Off) 044 55442691(CORD Thamaraipakkam) E-Mail : Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Supreme Soul Internet is God gift to me. I have a very busy life. I love Lord Perumal so much. I am working very hard to learn about Him. With His bless and His true devotees, I have improved on Vaishnavas knowledge. I believe that those who are involved in are Vaishnavas.... I respect other religion and followers. Please let me progress in my world of "Perumal". I live in a country of multi-religion and it is out of India. I grow with "Perumal" and let me leave this world with "Perumal". Whether it is the "truth" or not, it does'nt matter. The Vaishnavas believe/teaching cause no harm to anyone. Please, kindly understand.......let live peacefuly. Hari om __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (15) Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 10 New Members Visit Your Group HotJobs Be Discovered! ? Upload your resume Employers find you Mail Drag & drop With the all-new Mail Beta Photos Upload & Print Same-day pickup at Target . __,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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