Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Advaitin: Shankara's Advaita PhilosophyDear All, I have a query with respect to these two verses, that occur in the Vedantic work called Panchadasi. I do not have the verses with me now, I found the below translation in celetexel's Sanskrit works website. 38. (Objection): If the mind causes bondage by giving rise to the phenomenal world, the world could be made to disappear by controlling the mind. So only Yoga needs to be practised; what is the necessity of knowledge of Brahman ? 39. (Reply): Though by controlling the mind duality can be made to disappear temporarily the complete and final destruction of the mental creation is not possible without a direct knowledge of Brahman. This is proclaimed by the Vedanta. I thought that, with the cessation of all mental creation, there would immediately be realisation and direct knowledge of Brahman. But as per the above verse, not so. What happens in the intervening period? Regards, Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Namaste dear all, Shree Hari ji wrote - >I thought that, with the cessation of all mental >creation, there would >immediately be realisation and direct knowledge of >Brahman. But as per the above >verse, not so. >What happens in the intervening period? As an example, a cessation happens during the deep-sleep state, but we know that there is no realization of Brahman, 'I Am'. We may extend this analogy for the necessary answer, perhaps ... Kind regards, Raghava ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 advaitin, "Hari" <harihara.krishnan wrote: > > Advaitin: Shankara's Advaita PhilosophyDear All, > > I have a query with respect to these two verses, that occur in the Vedantic work called Panchadasi. > I thought that, with the cessation of all mental creation, there would immediately be realisation and direct knowledge of Brahman. But as per the above verse, not so. > What happens in the intervening period? > > Regards, > Hari Respected Shri Hariji, Pranams The doubt expressed by you is thoght provoking. Eventhough I am not sure about the correctness of the answer what came to my mind as possible answer is `as the Avidya is not removed and vaasana Kshaya did not happened' the sadhaka may experience the tatkalika sukhaanubhuti of Brahman but Brahmasakshaatkaara might not have taken place. I am also eager to see the clarification regarding your doubt from senior members. Om Tatsat Yours sicerely Moses Yesupadam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Namaste Shri Hariji, When the yogi is in samAdhi he is not aware of duality, but this is only temporary. When he comes out of samAdhi he will again see the world and accept it as real. It is only if, through the study of vedAnta he realizes that the world is not real, that it is only an appearance of brahman and that he himself is brahman, that the idea that the world is real will be removed. It is only then that duality will be permanently removed. Of course even after that he will continue to see the world as we see it, but he will not be affected by anything because he knows that all these are unreal. S.N.Sastri On 9/6/06, moses_yesupadam <moses_yesupadam > wrote: > > advaitin, "Hari" <harihara.krishnan wrote: > > > > Advaitin: Shankara's Advaita PhilosophyDear All, > > > > I have a query with respect to these two verses, that occur in the > Vedantic work called Panchadasi. > > > I thought that, with the cessation of all mental creation, there > would immediately be realisation and direct knowledge of Brahman. But > as per the above verse, not so. > > What happens in the intervening period? > > > > Regards, > > Hari > > Respected Shri Hariji, > Pranams > > The doubt expressed by you is thoght provoking. Eventhough I am not > sure about the correctness of the answer what came to my mind as > possible answer is `as the Avidya is not removed and vaasana Kshaya > did not happened' the sadhaka may experience the tatkalika > sukhaanubhuti of Brahman but Brahmasakshaatkaara might not have taken > place. I am also eager to see the clarification regarding your doubt > from senior members. > Om Tatsat > > Yours sicerely > > Moses Yesupadam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hari OM! Nothing happens. By controlling the mind duality may go off, but not necessarily realisation happens, until the vasanas in the mind is completely drained and woken up to the state of Brahman, one is entangled. When the thought flow becomes lesser and lesser mental peace is acheived, and sattvic quality is more in us during that controlled period. Until and unless Satva Rajas and Tamas are completely eradicated and woken up to the state of Brahman we cannot say one is realised. Intervene period all the Karmas get exhausted, and some mental peace is acheived. not Sasvatha sukham but nimisha sukham is achieved. Jai Poojya Gurudev! With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On 9/6/06, Hari <harihara.krishnan (AT) ustri (DOT) com> wrote: > > What happens in the intervening period? > > Regards, > Hari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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