Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Source The Hindu-a national daily Vande Mataram! Sujalam, suphalam, malayaja shitalam, Shasyashyamalam, Mataram! Shubhrajyothsna pulakitayaminim, Phullakusumita drumadala shobhinim, Suhasinim sumadhura bhashinim, Sukhadam varadam, Mataram! The English translation of the stanza rendered by Sri Aurobindo in prose 1 is : I bow to thee, Mother, richly-watered, richly-fruited, cool with the winds (from the mountains of) the south, dark with the crops of the harvests, The Mother! Her nights rejoicing in the glory of the moonlight, her lands clothed beautifully with her trees in flowering bloom, sweet of laughter, sweet of speech, The Mother, giver of boons, giver of bliss. What is wrong with this song of sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji,written in 1870 and recommended to be adopted as a National Song in 1906(100 years back)..It is actually in praise of Mother India(Bharat)What a beautiful song in chaste Sanskrit---where it is suggested that it is about a Hindu Goddess or sri.Durga etc.Why the so called "Secular" people are objecting singing this song in public places in its Centenary year of adoption?- What a pity!!!!!!!!!!!--Somayaji Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Namaste Sri Somayaji: First good to see you back to the list and hopefull the pouring of sympathies expressed by the members of the list will likely provide you relief from your grief. I am delighted to see you raising this interesting question on Vande Mataram. For vedantins, this poem is a symbolic admiration of the Nature - a vision of the Brahman. But people from other religions (Muslims and Christians) do not visualize the imagination of Sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji! Here is my understanding of the concerns raised mostly by Muslim and Christian citizens of India. They perceive that the Gujarati Government's insistence on the compulsary recitation of all school children violate their constitutional rights to religious freedom. Though you and I do not see any religious message in the famous poem written by Sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji in 1870, others perceive differently. It is part of Indian culture to worship the Janma Boomi (symbolically Bharat Mata) but Indians belonging to other religions seem to believe that the recitation of Vandemataram rperesnts a "Hindu Prayer." I am of the opinion that certain Indian cultural aspects are inappropriately identified as "Hindu Religion" and that is unfortunate. With the current political situations in India, the introduction of Vandemataram as a prayer song in the schools became controversial. Since India (like USA) accepted a democratic political system, we have to be sensitive to the feelings of minorities. The issue of conducting prayers in public schools has not yet been resolved in USA. Even a one-minute silent prayer can not be imposed to all students attending the public schools. >From what I read in the newspapers, the minority religious leaders suggest that Vandematarm recitation should be conducted only on a voluntary basis. Until we see the unity within the diversity the controversy on the recitation of Vandemataram will likely remain! With my warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj wrote: > > > Source The Hindu-a national daily > > Vande Mataram! > Sujalam, suphalam, malayaja shitalam, > Shasyashyamalam, Mataram! > Shubhrajyothsna pulakitayaminim, > Phullakusumita drumadala shobhinim, > Suhasinim sumadhura bhashinim, > Sukhadam varadam, Mataram! > The English translation of the stanza rendered by Sri Aurobindo in > prose 1 is : > I bow to thee, Mother, > richly-watered, richly-fruited, > cool with the winds (from the mountains of) the south, > dark with the crops of the harvests, > The Mother! > Her nights rejoicing in the glory of the moonlight, > her lands clothed beautifully with her trees in flowering bloom, > sweet of laughter, sweet of speech, > The Mother, giver of boons, giver of bliss. > > > > What is wrong with this song of sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji,written in 1870 and recommended to be adopted as a National Song in 1906(100 years back).It is actually in praise of Mother India(Bharat)What a beautiful song in chaste Sanskrit---where it is suggested that it is about a Hindu Goddess or sri.Durga etc.Why the so called "Secular" people are objecting singing this song in public places in its Centenary year of adoption?- What a pity!!!!!!!!!!!--Somayaji > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 List Moderator's Note: The issue under discussion is quite controversial and highly political and members are requested not to engage debating on this issue. Thanks for your cooperation Hari OM! Dear Rajagopalanji, As Swami Dayanadaji, in a recent lecture said, Quote: "Every one is a Hindu, unless he or she claims they are not" unquote: India is a Hindu country, all the Christians and Muslims are all converted, for money and all the attracations. lot of them by force not by choice. Why this song is not sung, because you and I will still vote for the PSEUDOSECULARIST! in India there is no SECULARISM only Minority and vote bank protection.You and I will make the forgieners to rule us because their skin colour is....... I do not want to continue on that. it is an ironical that in a Majority Hindu country we are all sidelined, what ever we talk advaita it is all basically Hindu scriptures only, no one can deny it. and the people who speak advaita are they ready to give their daughters on marriage to other than the born castes? so this all end up as lip service nothing else. Only talking nothing in practical, This is only my general observation no pointing to anyone. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On 9/7/06, Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj > wrote: > > > Source The Hindu-a national daily > > Vande Mataram! > Sujalam, suphalam, malayaja shitalam, > Shasyashyamalam, Mataram! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Hari OM! Dear Ramji, who is the minority to suggest the Majority it is really pathetic. First of all we need to stop conversion in India. This only my personal opinion. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On 9/8/06, Ram Chandran <ramvchandran > wrote: > > Namaste Sri Somayaji: > > First good to see you back to the list and hopefull the pouring of > sympathies expressed by the members of the list will likely provide > you relief from your grief. I am delighted to see you raising this > interesting question on Vande Mataram. For vedantins, this poem is a > symbolic admiration of the Nature - a vision of the Brahman. But > people from other religions (Muslims and Christians) do not visualize Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <ramvchandran wrote: > > > Though you and I do not see any religious message in the famous poem > written by Sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji in 1870, others perceive > differently. It is part of Indian culture to worship the Janma Boomi > (symbolically Bharat Mata) but Indians belonging to other religions > seem to believe that the recitation of Vandemataram rperesnts > a "Hindu Prayer." I am of the opinion that certain Indian cultural > aspects are inappropriately identified as "Hindu Religion" and that > is unfortunate. > > > Ram Chandran > Namste: IMO - the issue that has been objected is to the phrase "tvaM hii durgaa", where there is a clear invocation of an Hindu Deity, which goes against the fundamental preaching of monotheism. Accepting secular ideas will always have pitfalls, as along as one keeps on interpreting things in a dvaita-way, where the worshipper and deity are separate !? To bridge such complications our ancestors introduced the concept of ananya bhakti. Acharyaa's famous daxiNaamuurti stotra gives us a gentle remider "prabodha samaye" as being one of the key phrases. If we take out the advita practice from this stotra then the remaining portion of the composition diminishes the real utility of the composition. Yes, the knowledge is with guru whicj is separate from the shiShya, but when that knowledge unites both parties when disciple gains the clear understanding what teacher is trying to communicate. Saint Dnyveshvara, Samartha Ramdas, Tukaram, Eknath ... all of them practiced saguNa-ananya-bhakti while propagating the advaitic principles at the core heart, which is clearly evident from their writings. Just some thoughts !? Regards, Dr. Yadu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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