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Source The Hindu-a national daily

Vande Mataram!

Sujalam, suphalam, malayaja shitalam,

Shasyashyamalam, Mataram!

Shubhrajyothsna pulakitayaminim,

Phullakusumita drumadala shobhinim,

Suhasinim sumadhura bhashinim,

Sukhadam varadam, Mataram!

The English translation of the stanza rendered by Sri Aurobindo in

prose 1 is :

I bow to thee, Mother,

richly-watered, richly-fruited,

cool with the winds (from the mountains of) the south,

dark with the crops of the harvests,

The Mother!

Her nights rejoicing in the glory of the moonlight,

her lands clothed beautifully with her trees in flowering bloom,

sweet of laughter, sweet of speech,

The Mother, giver of boons, giver of bliss.

 

 

What is wrong with this song of sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji,written in 1870 and recommended to be adopted as a National Song in 1906(100 years back)..It is actually in praise of Mother India(Bharat)What a beautiful song in chaste Sanskrit---where it is suggested that it is about a Hindu Goddess or sri.Durga etc.Why the so called "Secular" people are objecting singing this song in public places in its Centenary year of adoption?- What a pity!!!!!!!!!!!--Somayaji

 

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Namaste Sri Somayaji:

 

First good to see you back to the list and hopefull the pouring of

sympathies expressed by the members of the list will likely provide

you relief from your grief. I am delighted to see you raising this

interesting question on Vande Mataram. For vedantins, this poem is a

symbolic admiration of the Nature - a vision of the Brahman. But

people from other religions (Muslims and Christians) do not visualize

the imagination of Sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji!

 

Here is my understanding of the concerns raised mostly by Muslim and

Christian citizens of India. They perceive that the Gujarati

Government's insistence on the compulsary recitation of all school

children violate their constitutional rights to religious freedom.

Though you and I do not see any religious message in the famous poem

written by Sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji in 1870, others perceive

differently. It is part of Indian culture to worship the Janma Boomi

(symbolically Bharat Mata) but Indians belonging to other religions

seem to believe that the recitation of Vandemataram rperesnts

a "Hindu Prayer." I am of the opinion that certain Indian cultural

aspects are inappropriately identified as "Hindu Religion" and that

is unfortunate.

 

With the current political situations in India, the introduction of

Vandemataram as a prayer song in the schools became controversial.

Since India (like USA) accepted a democratic political system, we

have to be sensitive to the feelings of minorities. The issue of

conducting prayers in public schools has not yet been resolved in

USA. Even a one-minute silent prayer can not be imposed to all

students attending the public schools.

 

>From what I read in the newspapers, the minority religious leaders

suggest that Vandematarm recitation should be conducted only on a

voluntary basis. Until we see the unity within the diversity the

controversy on the recitation of Vandemataram will likely remain!

 

With my warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj

wrote:

>

>

> Source The Hindu-a national daily

>

> Vande Mataram!

> Sujalam, suphalam, malayaja shitalam,

> Shasyashyamalam, Mataram!

> Shubhrajyothsna pulakitayaminim,

> Phullakusumita drumadala shobhinim,

> Suhasinim sumadhura bhashinim,

> Sukhadam varadam, Mataram!

> The English translation of the stanza rendered by Sri Aurobindo in

> prose 1 is :

> I bow to thee, Mother,

> richly-watered, richly-fruited,

> cool with the winds (from the mountains of) the south,

> dark with the crops of the harvests,

> The Mother!

> Her nights rejoicing in the glory of the moonlight,

> her lands clothed beautifully with her trees in flowering bloom,

> sweet of laughter, sweet of speech,

> The Mother, giver of boons, giver of bliss.

>

>

>

> What is wrong with this song of sri.Bakkim Chandra

Chattaerji,written in 1870 and recommended to be adopted as a

National Song in 1906(100 years back).It is actually in praise of

Mother India(Bharat)What a beautiful song in chaste Sanskrit---where

it is suggested that it is about a Hindu Goddess or sri.Durga etc.Why

the so called "Secular" people are objecting singing this song in

public places in its Centenary year of adoption?- What a

pity!!!!!!!!!!!--Somayaji

>

>

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

>

>

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List Moderator's Note: The issue under discussion is quite controversial and highly political and members are requested not to engage debating on this issue. Thanks for your cooperation

 

Hari OM!

 

Dear Rajagopalanji,

 

As Swami Dayanadaji, in a recent lecture said,

 

Quote:

 

"Every one is a Hindu, unless he or she claims they are not"

 

unquote:

 

India is a Hindu country, all the Christians and Muslims are all converted,

for money and all the attracations. lot of them by force not by choice.

 

Why this song is not sung, because you and I will still vote for the

PSEUDOSECULARIST! in India there is no

SECULARISM only Minority and vote bank protection.You and I will make the

forgieners to rule us because their

skin colour is....... I do not want to continue on that.

 

it is an ironical that in a Majority Hindu country we are all sidelined,

what ever we talk advaita it is all basically

Hindu scriptures only, no one can deny it. and the people who speak advaita

are they ready to give their daughters on marriage to other than the born

castes? so this all end up as lip service nothing else.

 

Only talking nothing in practical, This is only my general observation no

pointing to anyone.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

 

On 9/7/06, Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj > wrote:

>

>

> Source The Hindu-a national daily

>

> Vande Mataram!

> Sujalam, suphalam, malayaja shitalam,

> Shasyashyamalam, Mataram!

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Hari OM!

 

Dear Ramji,

 

who is the minority to suggest the Majority it is really pathetic. First of

all we need to stop

conversion in India. This only my personal opinion.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

On 9/8/06, Ram Chandran <ramvchandran > wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Somayaji:

>

> First good to see you back to the list and hopefull the pouring of

> sympathies expressed by the members of the list will likely provide

> you relief from your grief. I am delighted to see you raising this

> interesting question on Vande Mataram. For vedantins, this poem is a

> symbolic admiration of the Nature - a vision of the Brahman. But

> people from other religions (Muslims and Christians) do not visualize

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advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <ramvchandran

wrote:

>

>

> Though you and I do not see any religious message in the famous

poem

> written by Sri.Bakkim Chandra Chattaerji in 1870, others perceive

> differently. It is part of Indian culture to worship the Janma

Boomi

> (symbolically Bharat Mata) but Indians belonging to other religions

> seem to believe that the recitation of Vandemataram rperesnts

> a "Hindu Prayer." I am of the opinion that certain Indian cultural

> aspects are inappropriately identified as "Hindu Religion" and that

> is unfortunate.

>

>

> Ram Chandran

>

 

 

Namste:

 

IMO - the issue that has been objected is to the phrase "tvaM hii

durgaa", where there is a clear invocation of an Hindu Deity, which

goes against the fundamental preaching of monotheism.

 

Accepting secular ideas will always have pitfalls, as along as one

keeps on interpreting things in a dvaita-way, where the worshipper

and deity are separate !? To bridge such complications our ancestors

introduced the concept of ananya bhakti.

 

Acharyaa's famous daxiNaamuurti stotra gives us a gentle

remider "prabodha samaye" as being one of the key phrases. If we

take out the advita practice from this stotra then the remaining

portion of the composition diminishes the real utility of the

composition. Yes, the knowledge is with guru whicj is separate from

the shiShya, but when that knowledge unites both parties when

disciple gains the clear understanding what teacher is trying to

communicate.

 

Saint Dnyveshvara, Samartha Ramdas, Tukaram, Eknath ... all of them

practiced saguNa-ananya-bhakti while propagating the advaitic

principles at the core heart, which is clearly evident from their

writings.

 

Just some thoughts !?

 

Regards,

 

Dr. Yadu

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