Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Namaste Rameshji, Thanks for connecting all diverging points from previous discussions to present a coherent view. I would like to add on a few of my observations objectively: 1. Yoga - There is a common misconception that the word Yoga & Patanjali's Yoga Darshana are synonyms. It may not be so. The word Yoga has many definitions. However, I will confine this discussion to mean 'mental disciplines' only. There are many types of Yoga for which there is scriptural sanction. The Agamas teach different variations of Yoga disciplines of which Kundalini & Hatha Yoga are among many. Even the Tamil text Thirumanthiram is an elaborate exposition of Yoga based of Shaiva agamas which is in variance with Patanjali's Yoga (although the author presents a synthesis of both). Therefore, it may be an error to equate Patanjali Yoga to the Yoga references found in Prasthana Trayi and Shankara's authentic works. Yoga disciplines did not originate from Patanjali Yoga Sutras. As you have rightly pointed out, it finds its source in the Shruti. Hence, it would be far fetched for one to conclude that all references of Yoga in the shruti are based on Patanjali's Yoga. Therefore we have to first drop this assumption before discussing further. 2. Yoga as mental discipline (Upasana & Nididhyasana) - Yoga in principle is a mental discipline as per both Shruti and Patanjali's Yoga. Being a purely mental discipline we can equate Yoga to mean either Upasana or Nididhyasana. Any sort meditation with a pratika or anything from meditation on Pranava (om) or even purusha suktam can be seen as Yoga; to be specific: Upasana. However, Nididhyasana is different from Upasana. In Nididhyasana, the meditation is on the knowledge of Jiva-Brahma-aikyam (oneness of Self and Brahman). This too can be called as Yoga (or dhyana) by virtue of it being a mental discipline. However, Upasanas are purusha tantra sadhanas (entirelly dependent on the will of the practitioner) while Nididhyasana is a Vastu tantra sadhana (entirely dependent on the vastu i.e. the Atman). Both can be termed as Yoga for they are mental disciplines. However the specific means of each differs in the sense that in Upasana, the knowledge of Jiva-brahma-aikya is not the object of meditation, while the other (Nididhyasana) is meditation on this knowledge (advaita). Kanchi Maha Swamigal explains it well in the discourses posted by Prof VK (pls read post on Kanch Maha Swamigal's lectures no. 60). With this understanding let us approach the quote from Naishkarmya Siddhi: << then the renunciation of karma through sannyAsa then *yogAbhyAsa* then concentration of the citta then the understanding of statements like 'tat tvam asi' then the destruction of avidyA then being settled in the Self alone >> In the context of the above verse from Naishkarmya Siddhi, the word Yogabhyasa neither refers to Patanjali Yoga nor Nididhyasana. It actually refers to Upasana which any Sannyasi would immediately observe after taking Sannyasa. The common aid used in their Upasana is Pranava Japa or repetition of Om mentally. Such Upasanas can help in gaining an inward looking mind which is very important for Shravana-Manana-Nididhyasana. Or Upasana can also help one gain Asamprajnata Samadhi which helps in the purification process. In no certain terms can we conclude that it is a Jnana Sadhana due to the fact that Sannyasa preceded it. Sannyasa, in orthodox terms, is the renunciation of Nitya, Naimittika & Kamya Karmas which can be called as Vaidika Karmas. Upon taking Sannyasa, one abandons Vaidika Karmas (loukika karmas will still remain) and takes up various Upasanas to cultivate the qualifications for Jnana Sadhana. Only after acquiring the prepared mind (or a purified mind) shall one take up Jnana Sadhana, which is mentioned as 'Understanding statements like tat tvam asi' by Sureshvara. So the Yogabhyasa after Sannyasa is to be seen as Upasana for the sake of mental purification. If you were to look carefully at the order as mentioned in the verse, you would realize that the destruction of avidya comes about only after the dawn of knowledge and not after Yoga. Or else to be established in the Self, Yoga would have been the primary means. Sureshvara is being absolutely faithful to Shruti and his Guru by clearly stating that it is the knowledge of Oneness that destroys avidya. I realized that you have consdiered Yoga to be Jnana Sadhana. In reality, it is to be seen as Upasana only or rather Manasa Karma (mental action) which will bear fruit eventually by conferring Chitta Shuddhi (mental purification) or entry to Brahma loka. 2. Value of Yoga - No Vedantin will say Yoga is useless. In fact Yoga makes a person with prior qualifications like Viveka, Vairagya & Mumukshutva complete or a Uttama Adhikari. Yoga is great help in the process of preparing our minds but the final lap is still Jnana Sadhana without which freedom (moksha) cannot be gained. Cheers and Om, Kathirasan On 9/7/06, Ramesh Krishnamurthy <rkmurthy > wrote: > Namaste to all sAdhaka-s, > > The discussion on the utility or otherwise of nirvikalpa samAdhi has > been an interesting one, but I think most disagreements arise because > people focus on specific texts or teachers instead of looking at the > tradition as a whole. This is really unfortunate. > > So here is my understanding, for what its worth. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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