Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 > In the popular Hindi movie, "Kashmir Ki Kali" (back in the 1960s), > Shammi Kapoor sings to Sharmilla Tagore (later Sharmilla Patodi, I > believe) the following lines in a love song (Hai Re Hai) > > Khud Ko Kho Ke (Upon losing myself) > Tuj Ko Paya (You were received) > Kya Meri Taqdir Hae! (What an amazing destiny is mine!). > > That is Para Bhakti from the perspective of the devotee of the Lord. > Surrendering one's individual identity and individual existence (in > faith and by Grace) to the Heart, the Heart instantaneously emerges as > the Universal Identity as one's own Self. The One without a second. The > Knower, Known, and Knowing as One Whole. That is Nirvikalpa Is there a Nirvi kalpa samadhi when the meditor is lost to world ? I thought, that Sehaja Samadhi is the awake state.. thank you, Era > and what the > ancients referred to as the Lord whose nature is that of > Sat-Chit-Ananda. This is followed by the understanding of the Advaitic > Mahavakyas such as "I am That". > > Then this song makes perfect sense. > > Khud Ko Kho Ke (Upon losing myself) > Tuj Ko Paya (You were received) > Kya Meri Taqdir Hae! (What an amazing destiny is mine!). > > Love to all > Harsha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 In Nirvikalpa Samadhi, both body consciousness and mental consciousness along with the individual identity is absorbed in the Spiritual Heart, and the Self-Recognition spontaneously is realized. The world and everything disappears. One is in Deep Awake. Awake to one's own nature by one's own nature. Sri Ramana has explained both Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi and Sahaj Samadhi clearly from the Jnana perspective. This process finds support in the Upanishads which speak of the Cave of the Heart and in the Bhagavad Gita where Sri Krishna says, "I am in the Heart of all beings..." In Yoga schools, the complete union of Shiva and Shakti is at the Sahasarara is considered to result in Nirvikalpa Samadhi. This Samadhi if maintained for some time is difficult to come out of because mind gradually recedes and loses the desire to come out of it. It obliterates body consciousness through inner explosive force of the Shakti. It is all absorbing union of Shakti and Shiva, like two lovers meetings who had been starving for each other who do not wish to ever let go. It is quite rare, however, and usually follows after long periods of spiritual longing and yogic disciplines and practices and is experienced by advanced adepts like Sri Ramakrishna. All these experiences are helpful on the spiritual path. Everything merges in the Self and various points of views are transcended in the Absolute. Everything resolves itself in the Self in the immovable silence whose nature is that of Sat-Chit-Ananda. Self is Sahaj. Self is Nirvikalpa. I will pass this to the Advaitin as well. Love to all Harsha Era Molnar wrote: > > Is there a Nirvi kalpa samadhi when the meditor is lost to world ? > > I thought, that Sehaja Samadhi is the awake state.. > > thank you, > Era > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Harsha wrote: > In Yoga schools, the complete union of Shiva and Shakti is at the > Sahasarara is considered to result in Nirvikalpa Samadhi. This Samadhi > if maintained for some time is difficult to come out of because mind > gradually recedes and loses the desire to come out of it. It obliterates > body consciousness through inner explosive force of the Shakti. It is > all absorbing union of Shakti and Shiva, like two lovers meetings who > had been starving for each other who do not wish to ever let go. It is > quite rare, however, and usually follows after long periods of spiritual > longing and yogic disciplines and practices and is experienced by > advanced adepts like Sri Ramakrishna. I would also add that various sacraments of entheogens are well known to facilitate Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Strong medicine for hard heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Dear Harsha Ji, first let me thank your for your answer. Please shed light on the lucidity in NirviKalpa, if any. When one is dead-to-world is unconscious also, or is it a state where inside one is awake, lucid and later remembers everything ? thank you so much, Era > In Nirvikalpa Samadhi, both body consciousness and mental consciousness > along with the individual identity is absorbed in the Spiritual Heart, > and the Self-Recognition spontaneously is realized. The world and > everything disappears. One is in Deep Awake. Awake to one's own nature > by one's own nature. Sri Ramana has explained both Kevala Nirvikalpa > Samadhi and Sahaj Samadhi clearly from the Jnana perspective. This > process finds support in the Upanishads which speak of the Cave of the > Heart and in the Bhagavad Gita where Sri Krishna says, "I am in the > Heart of all beings..." > > In Yoga schools, the complete union of Shiva and Shakti is at the > Sahasarara is considered to result in Nirvikalpa Samadhi. This Samadhi > if maintained for some time is difficult to come out of because mind > gradually recedes and loses the desire to come out of it. It obliterates > body consciousness through inner explosive force of the Shakti. It is > all absorbing union of Shakti and Shiva, like two lovers meetings who > had been starving for each other who do not wish to ever let go. It is > quite rare, however, and usually follows after long periods of spiritual > longing and yogic disciplines and practices and is experienced by > advanced adepts like Sri Ramakrishna. > > All these experiences are helpful on the spiritual path. Everything > merges in the Self and various points of views are transcended in the > Absolute. Everything resolves itself in the Self in the immovable > silence whose nature is that of Sat-Chit-Ananda. Self is Sahaj. Self is > Nirvikalpa. > > I will pass this to the Advaitin as well. > > Love to all > Harsha > > Era Molnar wrote: > > > > Is there a Nirvi kalpa samadhi when the meditor is lost to world ? > > > > > > I thought, that Sehaja Samadhi is the awake state.. > > > > thank you, > > Era > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 , "Era Molnar" <n0ndual wrote: > > > Dear Harsha Ji, first let me thank your for your answer. > > Please shed light on the lucidity in NirviKalpa, if any. When one is dead-to-world is unconscious also, or is it a state where inside one is awake, lucid and later remembers everything ? > > thank you so much, Era > forgive me for jumping in, friends, but nirvikalpa samadhi is not a state. it is the omnipresent and indescribable pure consciousness, which is a base which remains present when all trace of individual identity is lost. it has nothing to do with lucidity and memory and other processes, whose presence or absence wihin the apparent individual have no effect on the 'witness'... nirvikalpa is the total lost of all personal identification, whatever/however it appears to arise in view of the observers. yosy > > > > In Nirvikalpa Samadhi, both body consciousness and mental consciousness > > along with the individual identity is absorbed in the Spiritual Heart, > > and the Self-Recognition spontaneously is realized. The world and > > everything disappears. One is in Deep Awake. Awake to one's own nature > > by one's own nature. Sri Ramana has explained both Kevala Nirvikalpa > > Samadhi and Sahaj Samadhi clearly from the Jnana perspective. This > > process finds support in the Upanishads which speak of the Cave of the > > Heart and in the Bhagavad Gita where Sri Krishna says, "I am in the > > Heart of all beings..." > > > > In Yoga schools, the complete union of Shiva and Shakti is at the > > Sahasarara is considered to result in Nirvikalpa Samadhi. This Samadhi > > if maintained for some time is difficult to come out of because mind > > gradually recedes and loses the desire to come out of it. It obliterates > > body consciousness through inner explosive force of the Shakti. It is > > all absorbing union of Shakti and Shiva, like two lovers meetings who > > had been starving for each other who do not wish to ever let go. It is > > quite rare, however, and usually follows after long periods of spiritual > > longing and yogic disciplines and practices and is experienced by > > advanced adepts like Sri Ramakrishna. > > > > All these experiences are helpful on the spiritual path. Everything > > merges in the Self and various points of views are transcended in the > > Absolute. Everything resolves itself in the Self in the immovable > > silence whose nature is that of Sat-Chit-Ananda. Self is Sahaj. Self is > > Nirvikalpa. > > > > I will pass this to the Advaitin as well. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > > > Era Molnar wrote: > > > > > > Is there a Nirvi kalpa samadhi when the meditor is lost to world ? > > > > > > > > > > I thought, that Sehaja Samadhi is the awake state.. > > > > > > thank you, > > > Era > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 > > Dear Harsha Ji, first let me thank your for your answer. > > > > Please shed light on the lucidity in NirviKalpa, if any. When one > is dead-to-world is unconscious also, or is it a state where inside > one is awake, lucid and later remembers everything ? > > > > thank you so much, Era > > > > > forgive me for jumping in, friends, but nirvikalpa > samadhi is not a state. it is the omnipresent and > indescribable pure consciousness, which is a base > which remains present when all trace of individual > identity is lost. it has nothing to do with lucidity > and memory and other processes, whose presence or > absence wihin the apparent individual have no effect > on the 'witness'... nirvikalpa is the total lost > of all personal identification, whatever/however > it appears to arise in view of the observers. > > yosy > Thank you yosy much for this. I'll read what Harsha-Ji suggested about Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi and Sahaj Samadhi.. I've a feeling you were describing Sehaja. I'm helping someone to make a comparison chart about Patanjali, Buddhist and other mystic absorption states, so I really really need to be accurate. While all samadhis provably lead 'home' it is a jungle.. for me And this point of lucidity came up.. love, Era > > > In Nirvikalpa Samadhi, both body consciousness and mental > consciousness > > > along with the individual identity is absorbed in the Spiritual > Heart, > > > and the Self-Recognition spontaneously is realized. The world and > > > everything disappears. One is in Deep Awake. Awake to one's own > nature > > > by one's own nature. Sri Ramana has explained both Kevala > Nirvikalpa > > > Samadhi and Sahaj Samadhi clearly from the Jnana perspective. > This > > > process finds support in the Upanishads which speak of the Cave > of the > > > Heart and in the Bhagavad Gita where Sri Krishna says, "I am in > the > > > Heart of all beings..." > > > > > > In Yoga schools, the complete union of Shiva and Shakti is at the > > > Sahasarara is considered to result in Nirvikalpa Samadhi. This > Samadhi > > > if maintained for some time is difficult to come out of because > mind > > > gradually recedes and loses the desire to come out of it. It > obliterates > > > body consciousness through inner explosive force of the Shakti. > It is > > > all absorbing union of Shakti and Shiva, like two lovers meetings > who > > > had been starving for each other who do not wish to ever let go. > It is > > > quite rare, however, and usually follows after long periods of > spiritual > > > longing and yogic disciplines and practices and is experienced by > > > advanced adepts like Sri Ramakrishna. > > > > > > All these experiences are helpful on the spiritual path. > Everything > > > merges in the Self and various points of views are transcended in > the > > > Absolute. Everything resolves itself in the Self in the immovable > > > silence whose nature is that of Sat-Chit-Ananda. Self is Sahaj. > Self is > > > Nirvikalpa. > > > > > > I will pass this to the Advaitin as well. > > > > > > Love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > Era Molnar wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there a Nirvi kalpa samadhi when the meditor is lost to > world ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought, that Sehaja Samadhi is the awake state.. > > > > > > > > thank you, > > > > Era > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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