Question of Avatara status of great personalities in Sri Sampraday

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Re: [sri ramanuja] Question of Avatara stutus of great personalities

in Sri Sampraday

 

Shrimathe Ramanujaya Namaha:

 

Dear Krishna Devotee!

 

Adiyen with the blessings from both

Sri Andal and Srimath Ramanujar, try to give

some information to the questionnaire.

 

The event which proved Srimath Ramanujar is

avatara of Adishesha are:

1) Before the birth event of Srimath Ramanujar occur

Sri Nammalwar who is in the "Acharya Paramparai"

immediately after Sri VishvaksEnar, ordered his

sishyA Madurakavi Alwar to boil Tamirabarani river

water. When he boiled the water, he got a vigraham

which is different from Nammalwar's image.

Madurakavigal now enquired his acharya about the

emergence of vigraham which is different in looks

and structure from Nammalwar. Nammalwar informed

Madurakavigal about the birth of new JagathAchAryar

to this world who is going to change the entire world

by his preachings and establishment of VisishtAdvaitam

which is related to Veda sampandham (as told by Sri

PErarulAlan to Srimath Ramanajuar through thirukkachi

nambigal "Darisanam bEtha Evacha").Nammalwar explains

this in "Pozhiga pozhiga pOittru valluir saapam...."

thiruvaimozhi pasuram about the incidence that will

happens after the birth of Srimad Ramanujar.

 

Nammalwar instructs Madurakavigal that the vigraham

is none other than "BavishyadAchAryar" who is Adisesha

avataram.

 

There is one slokam which explains that during

a)Krutha yukam - he is Adiseshan

b)ThrEtha yukam - Lakshmanan avataram

c)Dwapara yukam - Balaraman avataram

d)Kali yukam - Bavishyadi avataram

 

During Ramanujar period, when sishyAs were reciting

this slOkam, they got doubt about who is that "bavish

yadi" which is mentioned in that slokam. Srimad

Ramanujar called upon some close sishyAs and told that

"HE is none other than the bavishyadAchAryar which is

explained in that slokam"

 

>From this its clear that Ramanujar is avatara of

AdisEshan himself.

Apart from this, the vaibhavam of Alavandar, Thiruk

kottiyur nambigal, thiru-k-kachchi nambigal clearly

explains that Srimad Ramanujar is avataram of

AdisEshan.

 

2) Now the event where Srimad Ramanujar proved that

he is avatara of Adiseshan and showed his divine

personalities:

ThondanUr is best example, where,when Srimad Ramanujar

is moving towards ThiruNarayanpuram due to some

problems at SriRangam, a group of 1000 Jains

approached

Srimad Ramanujar for defeating in his philosophy of

VishitAdvaitam.

Srimad Ramanujar asked to put a curtain between them,

the group of peoples who came for debate and him. He

took his divine avatar as thousand headed Adiseshan

and answered all questions at the same time. After

this

event most of the peoples from that group surrenderd

his divine feet which is a well-known event for every

Sri vaishnavite.

 

3) Vaibhavam of Sri Andal itself clearly tells that

she is avataram of Boomi PiraAttiyAr. For this, no

need

to refer any sashtrAs. Vaibhavam is the authority

which

is accepted by our PoorvAchAryars.

Desikan's "Bhoo Sthuthi", which clearly explains that

Sri Andal is avataram of Bhoomi PirAttiyAr.

 

The birth of Sri Andal in Thulsi itself clearly

shows that she is the divine personality.

 

The title "Soodik koduththa naachiyAr" clearly shows

that she is divine personality. Emperuman will adorn

the flowers which is worn by Sri Andal only - A great

vaibhavam which is unique for HER only.

 

Swmain next question is

>From what i have

> learned from their life events, is that both were

> very humble and

> never claimed to be anything other than servants of

> the lord.

 

Not only Sri Andal and Srimad Ramanujar can never

claimed to be anything other than servants of the

lord.

All the chith and achitth are servants of the lord.

Only HE can tell that HE is sarvarakshakan during

HIS avataram as in Sri Ramayanam and Mahabaratam.

 

All others except HIM, has to say that they are

servants of HIM only. Nobody can claim anything

other than this!!! (Infact this is one of the gnanam

that a Vaishnavite has to receive from Acharyan during

ManthrOpadesam).

 

Adiyen hopes that, the above explanation is

appropriate

If there is any mistake, adiyen appologizes for that.

 

Adiyen

senthil

 

 

--- tesh_tel <tesh_tel wrote:

 

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah

>

> Dear devotees,

> Jai Sri Krishna.

>

> I have one issue which i am keen to have some

> knowledge about. In

> Our dharma Sri Bhagavan and his associates

> periodicaly take form in

> the material world for the uplift of Jivas. One

> unfortunate feature

> of this beleif is that many wicked jivas take

> advantage of this

> belief and claim themselves as God, some examples

> include King

> Paundaraka in the Dwarapara Yuga (who claimed to be

> the real

> krishna) and Puttarpathi saibaba in this yuga.

>

> Our shastras fortunalty provide validification of

> The avatars so

> that we cannot be fooled. As we know by reading the

> shastras we have

> no doubt that Sri Rama and Sri Krishna are the

> Supreme lord himself.

> Now Sri Vaishnava sampradaya is 100% bonafide

> according to

> shrastras, i just wanted to know which shastras and

> authority

> provide us with the information that Sri Andal and

> Sri Ramanuja are

> Bhudevi avatara and Sesha avatara respectively.

> From what i have

> learned from their life events, is that both were

> very humble and

> never claimed to be anything other than servants of

> the lord. I

> cannot recall a time when Sri Andal or Guru Ramanuja

> displayed their

> divine personalities. So how do we know of there

> true identities???

>

>