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And thriving healthily, AND growing!!

 

MAY I rest my case?

 

RR

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Only through disagreement

> shall we ever know

> that others view OUR reality differently

> that we must learn from!

>

> Only through boldly pointing that out

> shall we express

> that those who we so easily antagonize, do matter!

> for how else would we be telling them so?

>

> WE are all humans

> but all of us do matter, and our thoughts too

> for those ideas came with us presumably

> but reach way way beyond what we could ...

>

>

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > OOps..I just disagreed!

> >

> >

> > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > >

> > > I wonder, how can someone disagree with you?

> > >

> > > Jyotish aspirants are not fragile, others may be !! Atleast

> jyotish

> > > aspirants do not need any protection from anyone.

> > >

> > > That is why, perhaps jyotish aspirants (including me) are

> > discussing

> > > this subject fearlessly.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > >

> > > > 'Aspiring' Jyotishis (students) are not fragile souls that

must

> > be

> > > > protected or molly-coddled (sp?) but gritty worldly beings

just

> > like

> > > > the rest of us that have been put through fire one way or

> > another

> > > > through REAL 24/7 life!

> > > >

> > > > Don't worry about them, or Jyotish! It has suffered enough

for

> > too

> > > > long, and shall no more -- my heart feels!

> > > >

> > > > What do other JYOTISHIS feel?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, I am learning - though may be sounding bit distracted

> > (!!).

> > > > >

> > > > > If anyone feeling that making JR as market place for

> religious

> > and

> > > > > jyotish practices is in best interest of the jyotish, then

> let

> > it

> > > > be.

> > > > > But will it still serve the jyotish?

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish, "this" forum meets with aspirations of

> > jyotish "students".

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are very kind, but for me *this* has always been the

> > reality

> > > > that

> > > > > > I want it to be.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it has not served **my** dreams, maybe I was the one

who

> > was

> > > > > > distracted!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This may not necessarily be your yard-stick or personal

> > > > experience,

> > > > > > Prafulla!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Honest confession - Sometimes, I feel it is worth being

> > selfish

> > > > (?)

> > > > > > > and learn the useful & rare lessons from you. I feel

> > myself

> > > > lucky

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > your presence here and in fact, I Joined / resumed

this,

> > only

> > > > for

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > presence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are absolutely right..It is jyotish forum, not the

> > forum to

> > > > > > > discuss religious practices. I just happen to respond

to

> > such

> > > > non

> > > > > > > jyotish threads. Unfortunately, this jyotish forum is

> > fading its

> > > > > > > charm, for variety of practices. I wish, forum members

> can

> > > > realize

> > > > > > > this that there are hardly jyotish discussions on this

> > forum.

> > > > This

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > become market place.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We grew up to come to jyotish to learn not about

karma

> > as

> > > > being

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > tree that is way bigger than us, at this time, and

> > > > > > insurmountable,

> > > > > > > > but to also see the mangoes that the tree is laden

> with!

> > Some

> > > > > > ripe,

> > > > > > > > others not! The ripe ones we juice for immediate

> > pleasure and

> > > > > > succour

> > > > > > > > and the unripe ones we pickle with patience for

future

> > > > > > (lifetimes)!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And all this time we humans simply bow gratefully to

> the

> > > > Deity of

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > choice, in this lifetime -- thankful that it is a

mango

> > tree

> > > > we

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > up against and not an oak tree or cactus, for obvious

> > > > reasons!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Prafulla

> Gang"

> > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Knowing jyotish a bit, I can only add that -

perhaps

> > all

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > plights

> > > > > > > > > are karmic in nature!! Isn't it ? Unfortunately, it

> is

> > > > > > compunding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dear prafullaji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that

> brahmins

> > have

> > > > > > grabbed

> > > > > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can

best

> > be

> > > > > > described

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put

forth

> > their

> > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such

> > > > observations

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary

or

> > > > offered

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams

> > for ALL

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and

> impart

> > holy

> > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the

> > holiness of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places

> of

> > > > > > > > consecration.

> > > > > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords

used

> > to

> > > > offer

> > > > > > land

> > > > > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and

a

> > cow.

> > > > in

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy

occasions,

> > they

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > gifted

> > > > > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such

> brahmins

> > used

> > > > to

> > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people

VOLUNTARILY.

> > these

> > > > > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of

ALL

> > > > people

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance

skills

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to

> > islam

> > > > by

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs

like

> > > > teaching.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of

> > > > communism

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different

> > matter

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of

> > churches and

> > > > > > > > leningrad

> > > > > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back

> to

> > > > churches

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti

> > religious

> > > > > > propaganda)

> > > > > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of

> > > > poojaris as

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low

caste

> > non

> > > > > > brahmins

> > > > > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy

> > jobs.

> > > > most

> > > > > > civil

> > > > > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now

> due

> > to

> > > > > > > > reservation,

> > > > > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non

> > brahmins.

> > > > still a

> > > > > > > > large

> > > > > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of

> > these

> > > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in

> > minority,

> > > > > > sometime

> > > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation

> > for

> > > > > > brahmins.

> > > > > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom

> > fighters,

> > > > > > headmaster

> > > > > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of

most

> > > > repute in

> > > > > > US

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in

> > IT,

> > > > > > engineering

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if

i

> > say

> > > > that

> > > > > > 99%

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who

> have

> > not

> > > > > > switched

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still

languishing

> > in

> > > > > > poverty.

> > > > > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi

brahmins

> > > > standing

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of

the

> > > > railway

> > > > > > > > station

> > > > > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their

> > daily

> > > > > > wages.

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the

> > professions

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a

century

> > old

> > > > holy

> > > > > > noble

> > > > > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so

> > called

> > > > > > educated

> > > > > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge

for

> > myself

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the

> > suffering

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my

> > customers

> > > > are

> > > > > > non

> > > > > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i

> > treat all

> > > > > > human

> > > > > > > > > > beings equally as god.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to

> > few

> > > > > > individuals

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS

exploited

> > all

> > > > is

> > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > truth.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin

> migrant

> > > > > > illiterate

> > > > > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the

> > customers.

> > > > in

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears

> > are now

> > > > > > > > poojaris

> > > > > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for

> > > > landgrabbing

> > > > > > and to

> > > > > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them

> for

> > huge

> > > > > > > > monies.

> > > > > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and

illegal

> > > > > > construction

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > done by non-brahmins.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , "crystal

> > pages"

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Personally ...?

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few

> > abilities,

> > > > so

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > options,

> > > > > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this

> lifetime!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of

> > living

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > reality

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality

> > and

> > > > waste

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after

what

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > far?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> , "Prafulla

> > > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Very well said.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction

> > (between

> > > > > > relgion

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or

belief

> > > > systems)

> > > > > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and

> acceptable"

> > for

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about

> > > > > > rationalization of

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be

> > black

> > > > or

> > > > > > white

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization

> > (for

> > > > common

> > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each

> > belief

> > > > > > system) -

> > > > > > > > who,

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses

people's

> > > > > > very "faith".

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the

life

> > of

> > > > masses.

> > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > > > Example

> > > > > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins

> > (cows

> > > > etc) in

> > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural

> > India -

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs

> > > > (including on

> > > > > > > > deaths

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive

> > exploitation

> > > > as

> > > > > > well by

> > > > > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of

religion.

> > > > Religion

> > > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its

> > practioners

> > > > do

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not

> > surfaced in

> > > > > > India -

> > > > > > > > > > > perhaps,

> > > > > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions

(like

> > > > Jainism,

> > > > > > > > Budhism,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not

> > > > corrupted,

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is

> > exploited,

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > compliance

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality

> > brahmans

> > > > > > also do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can

> > understand

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > rituals

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in

> > current

> > > > > > yuga.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > often

> > > > > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the

> > rituals, in

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any

yagya,

> > and

> > > > > > observe

> > > > > > > > > > > the "short

> > > > > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences.

> > > > Charities

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > collected,

> > > > > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab

huge

> > lands,

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life

> for

> > the

> > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > of "few"

> > > > > > > > > > > > and so on.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but

> > > > > > somehow "fear"

> > > > > > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for

> > > > exploitation.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > , "crystal

> > > > pages"

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between

> > > > different

> > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > > systems,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and

rituals

> > > > > > (karmakanda as

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further

> > extend

> > > > into

> > > > > > > > grey

> > > > > > > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of

> different

> > > > > > background

> > > > > > > > > > > (religious,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have

> different

> > > > > > tolerances

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and

the 'degree

> > of

> > > > > > > > acceptance'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one

> > would

> > > > > > really be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's

> > > > standards

> > > > > > (this

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take

> it

> > > > > > personally).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree

or

> > > > perimeter

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > belief

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more

> > readily

> > > > > > > > demonstrable

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into

> > > > > > more 'accepting'

> > > > > > > > ways

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would

grow

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > horizon

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more

accpeting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash,

> > individuals

> > > > > > begin

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > fight,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core

> > beliefs in

> > > > what

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal

> > though

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of

> > groups.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our

> > sense of

> > > > self

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > touch

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in

others,

> > but

> > > > they

> > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > do.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters

> where

> > > > reason

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational

and

> > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > > considerations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those

> > who

> > > > like to

> > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a

> > mystical/mysterious

> > > > > > flavour

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > appeal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is

> more

> > > > > > forgiving.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not

> > necessarily

> > > > > > knowers

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!)

and

> > it is

> > > > not

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > question of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God

perhaps

> > knows

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say

> > that

> > > > purely

> > > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > , "Prafulla

> > > > > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to

> do

> > > > > > > > with "Jyotish".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line

> > between

> > > > correct

> > > > > > > > (very

> > > > > > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large

> > > > population).

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > is -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its

> > > > > > adherence..which is

> > > > > > > > > > > missing?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi"

> > bhramans

> > > > (even

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question

> > > > on "purity" of

> > > > > > > > > > pursuits?

> > > > > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different

> > cities in

> > > > > > India as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their

> > whole

> > > > > > > > > > time "business".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial

astrologers

> > (???)

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > made a

> > > > > > > > > > > big

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is

> exception !!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall

> > not

> > > > bother

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most),

> > that I

> > > > know

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people

> or

> > some

> > > > > > temples

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy

> > period

> > > > that

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > believed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that

grahan

> > > > shadow

> > > > > > fall

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the

> > grahan

> > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > nay,

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an

> > umbrella

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > idol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow.

however,

> > > > kalahasti

> > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > andhra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only

> > open

> > > > during

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT

MIDNIGHT

> > > > (somewhat

> > > > > > > > > > strage)

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special

> > poojas

> > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > grahan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in

kaliyuga,

> > we

> > > > shall

> > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much

about

> > how

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > doing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > , "Prafulla

> > > > > > > > Gang"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis -

they

> > will

> > > > > > > > explicitly

> > > > > > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done

> > any

> > > > given

> > > > > > day;

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers /

> > charities

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Eclipses

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that,

there

> > are

> > > > > > > > very "few"

> > > > > > > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct

> > and "puristic"

> > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > performing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of

> > their

> > > > time in

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own

> > karma").

> > > > > > Most in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money

> ("Dukandari")

> > from

> > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > > driven

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each

of

> > these

> > > > > > > > occasions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> ,

> > > > angel

> > > > > > > > > > <angelgoel@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item

> > for daan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next

> day ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day

(friday

> > > > morning),

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma

<manojsharma662000@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same

> > night

> > > > ends

> > > > > > > > itself,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would

be

> > only

> > > > 1

> > > > > > hour 33

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date

> > since

> > > > it

> > > > > > ends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date

> > starts,

> > > > so

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion,

the

> > lunar

> > > > > > eclipse

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night

> of

> > > > > > September 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN

> > EPHEMERIS

> > > > FOR

> > > > > > 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday

> > > > September

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at

> > same

> > > > night

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > 25.08

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33

> > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in

> India,

> > of

> > > > > > course no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view

> this.,except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has

> > advised

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > devout

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as

> added

> > by

> > > > me)

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking

> > name of

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > Isht

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to

take

> > water

> > > > or

> > > > > > food

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not

> > touch

> > > > > > anything,

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of

course

> > go to

> > > > > > sleep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the

ocean

> > (Sea),

> > > > near

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in

> > temple,

> > > > in

> > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have

meditated

> > and

> > > > gained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of

Grahana

> > > > > > (Eclipse), has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally

> > would

> > > > accrue

> > > > > > to a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other

> > places.The

> > > > > > exact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also

> > has

> > > > been

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but

now

> > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take

> > > > advantage of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF

> > THE

> > > > ULTIMATE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

> > ABSOLUTE

> > > > > > BLISS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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