Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 And thriving healthily, AND growing!! MAY I rest my case? RR , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Only through disagreement > shall we ever know > that others view OUR reality differently > that we must learn from! > > Only through boldly pointing that out > shall we express > that those who we so easily antagonize, do matter! > for how else would we be telling them so? > > WE are all humans > but all of us do matter, and our thoughts too > for those ideas came with us presumably > but reach way way beyond what we could ... > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > OOps..I just disagreed! > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > I wonder, how can someone disagree with you? > > > > > > Jyotish aspirants are not fragile, others may be !! Atleast > jyotish > > > aspirants do not need any protection from anyone. > > > > > > That is why, perhaps jyotish aspirants (including me) are > > discussing > > > this subject fearlessly. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > 'Aspiring' Jyotishis (students) are not fragile souls that must > > be > > > > protected or molly-coddled (sp?) but gritty worldly beings just > > like > > > > the rest of us that have been put through fire one way or > > another > > > > through REAL 24/7 life! > > > > > > > > Don't worry about them, or Jyotish! It has suffered enough for > > too > > > > long, and shall no more -- my heart feels! > > > > > > > > What do other JYOTISHIS feel? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am learning - though may be sounding bit distracted > > (!!). > > > > > > > > > > If anyone feeling that making JR as market place for > religious > > and > > > > > jyotish practices is in best interest of the jyotish, then > let > > it > > > > be. > > > > > But will it still serve the jyotish? > > > > > > > > > > I wish, "this" forum meets with aspirations of > > jyotish "students". > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very kind, but for me *this* has always been the > > reality > > > > that > > > > > > I want it to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it has not served **my** dreams, maybe I was the one who > > was > > > > > > distracted! > > > > > > > > > > > > This may not necessarily be your yard-stick or personal > > > > experience, > > > > > > Prafulla! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Honest confession - Sometimes, I feel it is worth being > > selfish > > > > (?) > > > > > > > and learn the useful & rare lessons from you. I feel > > myself > > > > lucky > > > > > > for > > > > > > > your presence here and in fact, I Joined / resumed this, > > only > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > presence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right..It is jyotish forum, not the > > forum to > > > > > > > discuss religious practices. I just happen to respond to > > such > > > > non > > > > > > > jyotish threads. Unfortunately, this jyotish forum is > > fading its > > > > > > > charm, for variety of practices. I wish, forum members > can > > > > realize > > > > > > > this that there are hardly jyotish discussions on this > > forum. > > > > This > > > > > > has > > > > > > > become market place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We grew up to come to jyotish to learn not about karma > > as > > > > being > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > tree that is way bigger than us, at this time, and > > > > > > insurmountable, > > > > > > > > but to also see the mangoes that the tree is laden > with! > > Some > > > > > > ripe, > > > > > > > > others not! The ripe ones we juice for immediate > > pleasure and > > > > > > succour > > > > > > > > and the unripe ones we pickle with patience for future > > > > > > (lifetimes)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all this time we humans simply bow gratefully to > the > > > > Deity of > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > choice, in this lifetime -- thankful that it is a mango > > tree > > > > we > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > up against and not an oak tree or cactus, for obvious > > > > reasons!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > Gang" > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing jyotish a bit, I can only add that - perhaps > > all > > > > these > > > > > > > > plights > > > > > > > > > are karmic in nature!! Isn't it ? Unfortunately, it > is > > > > > > compunding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have observed in one of your mails that > brahmins > > have > > > > > > grabbed > > > > > > > > > > cows, lands etc. and exploited all. this can best > > be > > > > > > described > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > your personal observation as it is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in public groups, many members strive to put forth > > their > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > views as they observe in their experience and > > > > understanding > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > expect general acceptance. in reality many such > > > > observations > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > aberrations seen in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me put some facts which none can deny: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries ago brahmins never worked for a salary or > > > > offered > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > service for a living. they used to fix muhurtams > > for ALL > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > their areas, do karmakanda for ALL people and > impart > > holy > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > and discourses to ALL besides maintaining the > > holiness of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sanctum sanctorum of the temples and other places > of > > > > > > > > consecration. > > > > > > > > > > kings, panchayat presidents or local landlords used > > to > > > > offer > > > > > > land > > > > > > > > > > freely to these brahmins and also food grains and a > > cow. > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > karmakandas or for any auspicious happy occasions, > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > gifted > > > > > > > > > > few items, clothes, money etc. and all such > brahmins > > used > > > > to > > > > > > live > > > > > > > > > > 100% on donations given by the people VOLUNTARILY. > > these > > > > > > > > brahmins > > > > > > > > > > also used to write books, teach the children of ALL > > > > people > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > entertain with their lyrical, music and dance skills > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however, with the pogrom and forced conversion to > > islam > > > > by > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > invading moghuls, brahmins have taken up jobs like > > > > teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later on in the last few decades with the rise of > > > > communism > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > patronage by the left parties (it is a different > > matter > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > best communist country russia is now full of > > churches and > > > > > > > > leningrad > > > > > > > > > > becomes st. petersberg and many schools turn back > to > > > > churches > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > the indian counterparts still engage in anti > > religious > > > > > > propaganda) > > > > > > > > > > brahmins have been removed even from the posts of > > > > poojaris as > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > state governemnts have started recruiting low caste > > non > > > > > > brahmins > > > > > > > > > > unaware of any religious rituals for these holy > > jobs. > > > > most > > > > > > civil > > > > > > > > > > servants decades ago used to be brahmins and now > due > > to > > > > > > > > reservation, > > > > > > > > > > around 90% of government employees are non > > brahmins. > > > > still a > > > > > > > > large > > > > > > > > > > hue and cry is made every day for the success of > > these > > > > > > brahmins. > > > > > > > > > > seeing the poor plight of these brahmins in > > minority, > > > > > > sometime > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > mulayamsingh offered to consider a 5% reservation > > for > > > > > > brahmins. > > > > > > > > > > within my family clan, we have great freedom > > fighters, > > > > > > headmaster > > > > > > > > > > and principals, poets, astrologers, doctors of most > > > > repute in > > > > > > US > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 100% younger generation are in most successful in > > IT, > > > > > > engineering > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > medicine profession and it is no exaggeration if i > > say > > > > that > > > > > > 99% > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > these younger intelligent generation are in US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in many cities you would find poor brahmins who > have > > not > > > > > > switched > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > other intelligent professions are still languishing > > in > > > > > > poverty. > > > > > > > > > > every morning i find dozens of karmakandi brahmins > > > > standing > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > sitting on the footpath of the road in front of the > > > > railway > > > > > > > > station > > > > > > > > > > waiting for some customers to pick them for their > > daily > > > > > > wages. > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is only because they have not adapted to the > > professions > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > in belief as on date and are sticking to a century > > old > > > > holy > > > > > > noble > > > > > > > > > > profession which is not only ridiculed by the so > > called > > > > > > educated > > > > > > > > > > scientists but also painted bad by the communists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having seen all this, i took it as a challenge for > > myself > > > > to > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > my lucrative best mnc jobs and serve all the > > suffering > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > through our religious holy ways and most of my > > customers > > > > are > > > > > > non > > > > > > > > > > brahmins and many are from other religions as i > > treat all > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > beings equally as god. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prafullaji, your observation may be restricted to > > few > > > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > best, but to say that KARMAKANDI BRAHMINS exploited > > all > > > > is > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in delhi i have seen many bihari non-brahmin > migrant > > > > > > illiterate > > > > > > > > > > workers posing as poojaris and cheating the > > customers. > > > > in > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > temples, the watchmen and sweepers of yesteryears > > are now > > > > > > > > poojaris > > > > > > > > > > in the same temples which were built only for > > > > landgrabbing > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > construct shops on all three sides and sell them > for > > huge > > > > > > > > monies. > > > > > > > > > > most or all of thee landgrabbing mafias and illegal > > > > > > construction > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > done by non-brahmins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > pages" > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally ...? > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am born with just so few neurons, so few > > abilities, > > > > so > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > options, > > > > > > > > > > > such a little time and scope to live this > lifetime! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we have the time and ability and luxury of > > living > > > > the > > > > > > > > reality > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > others who would impose on us their (?) reality > > and > > > > waste > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > > > > time we have in this lifetime? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they even worth the consideration, after what > > we > > > > have > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > far? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, perhaps could not express the distinction > > (between > > > > > > relgion > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > practioners). It is not the rituals (or belief > > > > systems) > > > > > > > > itself, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about. They are "pure and > acceptable" > > for > > > > each > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > > system / religion. I am not talking about > > > > > > rationalization of > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > these systems; and agree that they can not be > > black > > > > or > > > > > > white > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are based on faith, so rationalization > > (for > > > > common > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > me) may be little too far stretching of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gray area is its practioners (for each > > belief > > > > > > system) - > > > > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial/ vested interests, misuses people's > > > > > > very "faith". > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > turn, creates lots of difficulties in the life > > of > > > > masses. > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > > Example > > > > > > > > > > > > - Various ritualistic charities to brahmins > > (cows > > > > etc) in > > > > > > > > India > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > been the biggest cause of sufferings in rural > > India - > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > borrow money to meet such ritualistic needs > > > > (including on > > > > > > > > deaths > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > the family). These have led to massive > > exploitation > > > > as > > > > > > well by > > > > > > > > > > > > "karamkandi" brahmans, in the name of religion. > > > > Religion > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > source or cause of exploitation, but its > > practioners > > > > do > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the wrong doings. Had these practices not > > surfaced in > > > > > > India - > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps, > > > > > > > > > > > > there was no need to religious diversions (like > > > > Jainism, > > > > > > > > Budhism, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sikhisms, Arya Samaj etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purans / vedas / religious scriptures are not > > > > corrupted, > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > practioners are. Since "faith" itself is > > exploited, > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > compliance > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes "gainful" for few. But those quality > > brahmans > > > > > > also do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > exist in numbers and those people who can > > understand > > > > the > > > > > > > > rituals > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > true sense also have their own limitations in > > current > > > > > > yuga. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > > > leads to misunderstood compliances of the > > rituals, in > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > > > > (which is more harmful). Just attend any yagya, > > and > > > > > > observe > > > > > > > > > > > the "short > > > > > > > > > > > > cuts" followed - in the name of conveniences. > > > > Charities > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > collected, > > > > > > > > > > > > land mafias uses these sentiments to grab huge > > lands, > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > day life are asked to do x/y/z for next life > for > > the > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > > > > > of "few" > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People know all these practices as well, but > > > > > > somehow "fear" > > > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > > > > for "next life", makes them vulnerable for > > > > exploitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > > > pages" > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There will always be some 'mixing' between > > > > different > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > systems, > > > > > > > > > > > > > let us for instance take jyotish and rituals > > > > > > (karmakanda as > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointed out, though the rituals can further > > extend > > > > into > > > > > > > > grey > > > > > > > > > > > magic > > > > > > > > > > > > > and black magic etc). Individuals of > different > > > > > > background > > > > > > > > > > > (religious, > > > > > > > > > > > > > cultural, educational etc) will have > different > > > > > > tolerances > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptances of belief systems and the 'degree > > of > > > > > > > > acceptance' > > > > > > > > > > > > > or "degree of tolerance" would vary. No one > > would > > > > > > really be > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely rational ever by someone else's > > > > standards > > > > > > (this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > general statement, so no reader should take > it > > > > > > personally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A rationalist would have a certain degree or > > > > perimeter > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may be rather restricted but more > > readily > > > > > > > > demonstrable > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather black and white. As we move into > > > > > > more 'accepting' > > > > > > > > ways > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking of reality, the perimeter would grow > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > horizon > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > become less and less sharp and more accpeting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When belief systems interact and clash, > > individuals > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > fight, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because we all must hold on to our core > > beliefs in > > > > what > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > reality which is generally very personal > > though > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > commonalities which lead to formation of > > groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs are often at the very core of our > > sense of > > > > self > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > touch > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > stir emotions, more in some, less in others, > > but > > > > they > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish falls in one of these perimeters > where > > > > reason > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > beliefs > > > > > > > > > > > > > meet. It has enough contact with rational and > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > considerations > > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus appeals to 'rationalists' or those > > who > > > > like to > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > out, and also has enough of a > > mystical/mysterious > > > > > > flavour > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > appeal > > > > > > > > > > > > > to those whose acceptance of "reality" is > more > > > > > > forgiving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of these groups are observers, not > > necessarily > > > > > > knowers > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly not all knowing (hence humans!) and > > it is > > > > not > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > question of > > > > > > > > > > > > > right or wrong, necessarily. Only God perhaps > > knows > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is not or right or wrong -- and I say > > that > > > > purely > > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal belief ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the belief system and has little to > do > > > > > > > > with "Jyotish". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, there is very thin line > > between > > > > correct > > > > > > > > (very > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population) and wrong ones (very large > > > > population). > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > is - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of correct rituals, for its > > > > > > adherence..which is > > > > > > > > > > > missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are exploited by "karamkandi" > > bhramans > > > > (even > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deaths), which raises the big question > > > > on "purity" of > > > > > > > > > > pursuits? > > > > > > > > > > > Even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the people who are "known" in different > > cities in > > > > > > India as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authorities, are just making this their > > whole > > > > > > > > > > time "business". > > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each temple, priests, remedial astrologers > > (???) > > > > have > > > > > > > > made a > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of faith. No state or city is > exception !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right ..we must do and shall > > not > > > > bother > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ones. I wish I could claim (unlike most), > > that I > > > > know > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is true to some people > or > > some > > > > > > temples > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, grahan is such a shadowy > > period > > > > that > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > believed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even gods shall not have that grahan > > > > shadow > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence all temples are closed during the > > grahan > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > nay, > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional cloth cover is kept as an > > umbrella > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > idol > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protect from the grahan shadow. however, > > > > kalahasti > > > > > > > > temple > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > andhra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pradesh is keeping the temple not only > > open > > > > during > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but also doing special poojas AT MIDNIGHT > > > > (somewhat > > > > > > > > > > strage) > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting donations for these special > > poojas > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > grahan > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all these are expected in kaliyuga, > > we > > > > shall > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is right without bothering too much about > > how > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > > > > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one has interacted with yogis - they > > will > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the good charities can be done > > any > > > > given > > > > > > day; > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers. Not because that prayers / > > charities > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > Eclipses > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevance, but for the fact that, there > > are > > > > > > > > very "few" > > > > > > > > > > > people - > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows / practices the correct > > and "puristic" > > > > > > methods > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. and Such people spend most of > > their > > > > time in > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pursuits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (they are too occupied in their "own > > karma"). > > > > > > Most in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in making money > ("Dukandari") > > from > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > > > driven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rituals, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the country on each of > > these > > > > > > > > occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > <angelgoel@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you suggest any particular item > > for daan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (donation) in this period or next > day ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:- After eclipse,next day (friday > > > > morning), > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat anything without taking bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > angel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th Night itself start and same > > night > > > > ends > > > > > > > > itself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned eclipse would be > > only > > > > 1 > > > > > > hour 33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say as per English date > > since > > > > it > > > > > > ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.00 midnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ie.next English calendar date > > starts, > > > > so > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th morning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.08 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jut to clear any confusion, the > > lunar > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the intervening night > of > > > > > > September 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th? Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFERENCE LAHIRIS INDIAN > > EPHEMERIS > > > > FOR > > > > > > 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse begins on Thursday > > > > September > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at night 23.35 and ends at > > same > > > > night > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > 25.08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total Duration One hour 33 > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be visible in > India, > > of > > > > > > course no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is advised to view > this.,except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scientist-astronomers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shri Pandit Arjunji has > > advised > > > > all > > > > > > > > devout > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious people, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of various religions (as > added > > by > > > > me) > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make full use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these period, by taking > > name of > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > Isht > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devatas (Japa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and recitation), not to take > > water > > > > or > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sit on a seperate mat,not > > touch > > > > > > anything, > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bath after this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period is over,then of course > > go to > > > > > > sleep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any Japa done near the ocean > > (Sea), > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rivers (Ganga, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yamuna,Saraswati etc.), in > > temple, > > > > in > > > > > > places > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great masters have meditated > > and > > > > gained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightment, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also during period of Grahana > > > > > > (Eclipse), has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands fold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of results which normally > > would > > > > accrue > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at other times and other > > places.The > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counts , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many thousand fold also > > has > > > > been > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shastras, I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally read this, but now > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and locate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefor Dear members take > > > > advantage of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppurtunity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and increase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your spititual Bank balance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF > > THE > > > > ULTIMATE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF > > ABSOLUTE > > > > > > BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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