Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Members, I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali simply by reading the palm. In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications in the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head and heart line). Thank you, Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear mr.Maniv, Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. The above are my personal views. I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then also match their charts with findings on palm. regards, Bhaskar. , "maniv1321" <maniv1321 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali simply > by reading the palm. > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications in > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head and > heart line). > > Thank you, > > Maniv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Read R.G. Rao's tiny, pithy and difficult to understand pocket books -- Your natal chart from the palm, your destiny from your thumb, etc. You will enjoy those if you persevere! RR , "maniv1321" <maniv1321 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali simply > by reading the palm. > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications in > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head and > heart line). > > Thank you, > > Maniv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Maniv, I also remember Mr.R.G.Rao who has written books on how to draw a chart as per lines on hands. One more book Astro-Palmistry by Shri.Lr. Chawdhury. But I would not advise natives to try that. Its not easy. regards, Bhaskar. , "maniv1321" <maniv1321 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali simply > by reading the palm. > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications in > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head and > heart line). > > Thank you, > > Maniv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been unfortunate the last 7 yrs. He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. For your research purposes the details are Oct 2, 1962 00:02 am, Bombay, India soumit guha java_sgt Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart Dear mr.Maniv, Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. The above are my personal views. I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then also match their charts with findings on palm. regards, Bhaskar. , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali simply > by reading the palm. > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications in > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head and > heart line). > > Thank you, > > Maniv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Sir, Thanks for sharing the info. Before we spend some time on this, can you tell us whether the Simian line is near the life Line or ie.below the lower half of the palm, OR On the upper half side ie.more neare to the Mounts below the bottom end of the fingers or in other words below and more bear the the third phalanges. Now here the question of ample amount or head is defined in another way. Some are very emotional and cry even at emotional scenes seen on TV soap operas. And some are so emotionless that nothing would move them to tears. Heart ruling over head, or head ruling over heart is more predominant in such natives. Some may be really rigid while reprimanding and punishment or passing judgement. Some may have more of sympathy or pity in their nature. Emotional plane or practical plane. Flexibility or rigidity. These facets will be noticed only at times of adversity or in abundance of joy. otherwise they will behave perfectly normal.,apparently. Anyway I am not a contender for judging horoscopes of Simians and commenting on their behaviour patterns. I would always like to be neither on their side nor against. I have reasons for that best not elaborated. regards, Bhaskar. regards, Bhaskar. , Soumit Guha <java_sgt wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog 12- 14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > For your research purposes the details are > Oct 2, 1962 > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > soumit guha > java_sgt > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > The above are my personal views. > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > also match their charts with findings on palm. > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@ ..> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > simply > > by reading the palm. > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > in > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > and > > heart line). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Bhaskarbhai, Thank you for your comments. Being in London will make obtaining the recommended books difficult. Interestingly, a native without a heart line whose birth details I have has Mars with Saturn (as well as the Moon) in the 5th house (Leo). Mars is of course the lagnesh. This would fit into your criteria perfectly. Although not heartless, he does tend to oscillate between the two extremes (emotional- aggressive). I am curious as to the rationale behind your highlighting of Leo/5th house. I take the 4th house for the heart, although I know many use the 5th (borrowed from Western astrology).In any case yuo input would shed would be valued. Regards Maniv , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > The above are my personal views. > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > also match their charts with findings on palm. > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > simply > > by reading the palm. > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > in > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > and > > heart line). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Maniv > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, I have lost contact with the native after my cell phone rebooted and vanished my address book. So I will recollect from memory that his heart/head line ran straight across the middle of his palm more like the head line. He just wanted to know if he would be reunited with his family and if so when. If and when he contacts me I shall be able to furnish you with more data. Thanks for your time and effort Soumit , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > > Thanks for sharing the info. > Before we spend some time on this, can you tell us whether > the Simian line is near the life Line or ie.below the lower half > of the palm, > OR > On the upper half side ie.more neare to the Mounts below the bottom > end of the fingers or in other words below and more bear > the the third phalanges. > > Now here the question of ample amount or head is defined in another > way. Some are very emotional and cry even at emotional scenes seen > on TV soap operas. And some are so emotionless that nothing would > move them to tears. Heart ruling over head, or head ruling over heart > is more predominant in such natives. Some may be really rigid while > reprimanding and punishment or passing judgement. Some may have > more of sympathy or pity in their nature. Emotional plane > or practical plane. Flexibility or rigidity. These facets will be > noticed only at times of adversity or in abundance of joy. > otherwise they will behave perfectly normal.,apparently. > > Anyway I am not a contender for judging horoscopes of > Simians and commenting on their behaviour patterns. I would > always like to be neither on their side nor against. > I have reasons for that best not elaborated. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog 12- > 14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > Oct 2, 1962 > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > soumit guha > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to > astro- > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > The above are my personal views. > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and > then > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "maniv1321" > <maniv1321@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > > in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the > head > > and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Maniv Bhai, I have not yet studied Western Astrology,as dont want to mix up both systems in entirety without having gained some minimum expertise in few facets of Indian astrology, and hence dont want to influence these studies. I normally take the Chest portion to be ruled by the 4th Sign Cancer, and, The Sun which rules Leo as the heart pointer.also 5th Raashi, apart from other parts of body like stomache etc. depending on the individual horoscope. If You know all Leo natives have mostly to fear about heart problems,high BP, coronoray thombosis etc. You need not buy those books, as I said we need other support by Karna Pishachini Mantra etc. to know about such things. Books cannot help one draw a chart just by looking at the palm. regards, Bhaskar. , "maniv1321" <maniv1321 wrote: > > Bhaskarbhai, > > Thank you for your comments. > > Being in London will make obtaining the recommended books difficult. > > Interestingly, a native without a heart line whose birth details I > have has Mars with Saturn (as well as the Moon) in the 5th house > (Leo). Mars is of course the lagnesh. This would fit into your > criteria perfectly. Although not heartless, he does tend to > oscillate between the two extremes (emotional- aggressive). > > I am curious as to the rationale behind your highlighting of Leo/5th > house. I take the 4th house for the heart, although I know many use > the 5th (borrowed from Western astrology).In any case yuo input > would shed would be valued. > > Regards > > Maniv > > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to > astro- > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > The above are my personal views. > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and > then > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what > indications > > in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the > head > > and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Maniv, You can try a web-seller like www.astroamerica.com for getting RG Rao's books or any other on astrology and jyotish, etc. In fact given the popularity of jyotish and astrology in U.K., I would not be surprised if there were web-sellers there as well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, opinions notwithstanding ...! Speaking of simians, the simian line has been associated with Down's syndrome (earlier known as Mongolism). Dermatoglyphics is a very interesting area of palmistry (other than divination) and I have been told that there are a significant number of palm-patterns that are associated or correlated with medical disorders etc. Again, this is general non subjective information (opinions?) to be pursued by those interested and not to be taken in any other way! ;-) RR , "maniv1321" <maniv1321 wrote: > Being in London will make obtaining the recommended books difficult. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear maniv, It makes a native using either heart or head (on extreme extent) for his matters. So many a times - people may find him very materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional person. While studying palmistry long back, I observed this behaviour in lot many people. You may also observe interesting trend for such natives. If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - then you will also observe the similar line (heart line dropping into head line, while head line being straight across the palm). In my view / observation - mutual relation of mars / moon is indicated in such natives. regards / Prafulla Gang , "maniv1321" <maniv1321 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali simply > by reading the palm. > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications in > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head and > heart line). > > Thank you, > > Maniv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dear Soumit ji, In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such financial debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read with the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. regards / Prafulla regards / Prafulla , Soumit Guha <java_sgt wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > For your research purposes the details are > Oct 2, 1962 > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > soumit guha > java_sgt > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > The above are my personal views. > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > also match their charts with findings on palm. > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@ ..> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > simply > > by reading the palm. > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > in > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > and > > heart line). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Prafullabhai The simian line certainly indicates an extreme personality - the word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the thinking process is dominated by emotions or the emotions are dominated by the rational faculty of the mind. It interesting that you attribute the planetary influences to Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and their source (4th house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an affliction to the Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would represent logic/coldness and its debilitation in the emotional sign representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight to it being the anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th house/Cancer? Regards, Maniv , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear maniv, > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on extreme extent) for > his matters. So many a times - people may find him very > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional person. > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed this behaviour in lot > many people. You may also observe interesting trend for such natives. > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - then you will also > observe the similar line (heart line dropping into head line, while > head line being straight across the palm). > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of mars / moon is indicated > in such natives. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali simply > > by reading the palm. > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications in > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head and > > heart line). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Maniv > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Prafullabhai The simian line certainly indicates an extreme personality - the word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the thinking process is dominated by emotions or the emotions are dominated by the rational faculty of the mind. It interesting that you attribute the planetary influences to Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and their source (4th house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an affliction to the Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would represent logic/coldness and its debilitation in the emotional sign representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight to it being the anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th house/Cancer? Regards, Maniv , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear maniv, > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on extreme extent) for > his matters. So many a times - people may find him very > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional person. > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed this behaviour in lot > many people. You may also observe interesting trend for such natives. > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - then you will also > observe the similar line (heart line dropping into head line, while > head line being straight across the palm). > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of mars / moon is indicated > in such natives. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali simply > > by reading the palm. > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications in > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head and > > heart line). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Maniv > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Note that Mars is debilitated in Cancer (also in Navamsa) and aspects the Moon, which is in the 5th house. Saturn also aspects Mars and the Moon. These indications seem to tie in with the contributions of Bhaskarbhai/ Parafullabhai. Although Venus and Jupiter also aspect the Moon, some link is evident albeit on the basis of a very low number of observations. , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Soumit ji, > > In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate > misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. > > Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such financial > debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read with > the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. > > regards / Prafulla > > regards / Prafulla > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog > 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > Oct 2, 1962 > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > soumit guha > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > The above are my personal views. > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > > in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > > and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Absolutely Maniv, not all Down's individuals have this finding (Trisomy is a more fool-proof indicator ;-) And, I personally have nothing against theorising -- in fact given the nature of much of jyotish writings available, it is a useful practice for most (perhaps not all) students and practitioners to indulge in same. Kind regards, RR , "maniv1321" <maniv1321 wrote: > > I am aware of the link with Down's syndrome; in fact many doctors > check the palms of new born babies for a simian line as its presence > vastly increases the likelihood of developing this syndrome. However > this doesn't apply to all natives with a simian line – a good > example being Tony Blair. > > My curiosity lies in the astrological combinations of a birth chart > that may imply the existence of such a line. Of course one need not > speak from observations /experience, theorising can also pride some > pointers. > > Regards > > Maniv > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Maniv, > > > > You can try a web-seller like www.astroamerica.com for getting RG > Rao's > > books or any other on astrology and jyotish, etc. > > > > In fact given the popularity of jyotish and astrology in U.K., I > would > > not be surprised if there were web-sellers there as well. > > > > Nothing ventured, nothing gained, opinions notwithstanding ...! > > > > Speaking of simians, the simian line has been associated with > Down's > > syndrome (earlier known as Mongolism). Dermatoglyphics is a very > > interesting area of palmistry (other than divination) and I have > been > > told that there are a significant number of palm-patterns that are > > associated or correlated with medical disorders etc. > > > > Again, this is general non subjective information (opinions?) to > be > > pursued by those interested and not to be taken in any other > way! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@> > > wrote: > > > Being in London will make obtaining the recommended books > difficult. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Prafulla/Maniv, The native does not have a dearth of wealth. He alway was a high roller and lived well in India. Over here his living conditions are definetly poor, but all that is relative.He is the king of his realm with several to his becokning. When I met him, I found him to be quite comfortable, all needs taken care off. He threw a fest and we partied. I think those palnets in the 8th house in Rasi (debts) have to do with it. I guess you have to accept your lumps too, when you take big risks. soumit guha java_sgt maniv1321 <maniv1321 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:34:46 PM Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart Note that Mars is debilitated in Cancer (also in Navamsa) and aspects the Moon, which is in the 5th house. Saturn also aspects Mars and the Moon. These indications seem to tie in with the contributions of Bhaskarbhai/ Parafullabhai. Although Venus and Jupiter also aspect the Moon, some link is evident albeit on the basis of a very low number of observations. , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish > wrote: > > Dear Soumit ji, > > In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate > misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. > > Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such financial > debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read with > the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. > > regards / Prafulla > > regards / Prafulla > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog > 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > Oct 2, 1962 > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > soumit guha > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > The above are my personal views. > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > > in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > > and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Respected Sir Guha I am very much interestedin this case. But i am surprized that he is out of India ? How it can be possible ? He is running the mahadasa of Lagna Lord which is exalted and retrogade in 4th house ! And you are saying he is out of the country. Now i have a question for this person. You know his personally. I feel that this person is very very non-aggressive. Normally he will not look like a short tempered person but when his anger comes then he does not know the limit. Please let me know these two things. Best Wishes Jagdish Soumit Guha <java_sgt > wrote: Dear Prafulla/Maniv, The native does not have a dearth of wealth. He alway was a high roller and lived well in India. Over here his living conditions are definetly poor, but all that is relative.He is the king of his realm with several to his becokning. When I met him, I found him to be quite comfortable, all needs taken care off. He threw a fest and we partied. I think those palnets in the 8th house in Rasi (debts) have to do with it. I guess you have to accept your lumps too, when you take big risks. soumit guha java_sgt maniv1321 <maniv1321 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:34:46 PM Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart Note that Mars is debilitated in Cancer (also in Navamsa) and aspects the Moon, which is in the 5th house. Saturn also aspects Mars and the Moon. These indications seem to tie in with the contributions of Bhaskarbhai/ Parafullabhai. Although Venus and Jupiter also aspect the Moon, some link is evident albeit on the basis of a very low number of observations. , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish > wrote: > > Dear Soumit ji, > > In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate > misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. > > Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such financial > debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read with > the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. > > regards / Prafulla > > regards / Prafulla > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog > 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > Oct 2, 1962 > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > soumit guha > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > The above are my personal views. > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > > in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > > and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Sir Guha Please confirm that this person must have earned very well from March 2004 till March 2005. Tensions and frustration must be there with very good income. Best Wishes Jagdish Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest > wrote: Respected Sir Guha I am very much interestedin this case. But i am surprized that he is out of India ? How it can be possible ? He is running the mahadasa of Lagna Lord which is exalted and retrogade in 4th house ! And you are saying he is out of the country. Now i have a question for this person. You know his personally. I feel that this person is very very non-aggressive. Normally he will not look like a short tempered person but when his anger comes then he does not know the limit. Please let me know these two things. Best Wishes Jagdish Soumit Guha <java_sgt > wrote: Dear Prafulla/Maniv, The native does not have a dearth of wealth. He alway was a high roller and lived well in India. Over here his living conditions are definetly poor, but all that is relative.He is the king of his realm with several to his becokning. When I met him, I found him to be quite comfortable, all needs taken care off. He threw a fest and we partied. I think those palnets in the 8th house in Rasi (debts) have to do with it. I guess you have to accept your lumps too, when you take big risks. soumit guha java_sgt maniv1321 <maniv1321 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:34:46 PM Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart Note that Mars is debilitated in Cancer (also in Navamsa) and aspects the Moon, which is in the 5th house. Saturn also aspects Mars and the Moon. These indications seem to tie in with the contributions of Bhaskarbhai/ Parafullabhai. Although Venus and Jupiter also aspect the Moon, some link is evident albeit on the basis of a very low number of observations. , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish > wrote: > > Dear Soumit ji, > > In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate > misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. > > Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such financial > debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read with > the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. > > regards / Prafulla > > regards / Prafulla > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog > 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > Oct 2, 1962 > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > soumit guha > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > The above are my personal views. > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > > in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > > and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 soumit guha java_sgt Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest > Saturday, September 9, 2006 7:14:31 PM Re: Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart Dear Sir Guha Please confirm that this person must have earned very well from March 2004 till March 2005. Tensions and frustration must be there with very good income. Best Wishes Jagdish Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest@ > wrote: Respected Sir Guha I am very much interestedin this case. But i am surprized that he is out of India ? How it can be possible ? He is running the mahadasa of Lagna Lord which is exalted and retrogade in 4th house ! And you are saying he is out of the country. Now i have a question for this person. You know his personally. I feel that this person is very very non-aggressive. Normally he will not look like a short tempered person but when his anger comes then he does not know the limit. Please let me know these two things. Best Wishes Jagdish Soumit Guha <java_sgt > wrote: Dear Prafulla/Maniv, The native does not have a dearth of wealth. He alway was a high roller and lived well in India. Over here his living conditions are definetly poor, but all that is relative.He is the king of his realm with several to his becokning. When I met him, I found him to be quite comfortable, all needs taken care off. He threw a fest and we partied. I think those palnets in the 8th house in Rasi (debts) have to do with it. I guess you have to accept your lumps too, when you take big risks. soumit guha java_sgt maniv1321 <maniv1321 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:34:46 PM Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart Note that Mars is debilitated in Cancer (also in Navamsa) and aspects the Moon, which is in the 5th house. Saturn also aspects Mars and the Moon. These indications seem to tie in with the contributions of Bhaskarbhai/ Parafullabhai. Although Venus and Jupiter also aspect the Moon, some link is evident albeit on the basis of a very low number of observations. , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish > wrote: > > Dear Soumit ji, > > In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate > misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. > > Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such financial > debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read with > the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. > > regards / Prafulla > > regards / Prafulla > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog > 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > Oct 2, 1962 > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > soumit guha > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > The above are my personal views. > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > > in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > > and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Jagdish, Yes, you join a list of astrologers who too are puzzled with this case. They say he would fare far better in India. There might be some bandhana yoga maybe short term exile stuff. But this guy is filmi and considers his reputation to be tarnished by his debts and his flee. So he does not want to go back to India and would rather see his family come here an be with him. Rest what you say is true. soumit guha jawva_sgt Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest > Saturday, September 9, 2006 7:06:45 PM Re: Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart Respected Sir Guha I am very much interestedin this case. But i am surprized that he is out of India ? How it can be possible ? He is running the mahadasa of Lagna Lord which is exalted and retrogade in 4th house ! And you are saying he is out of the country. Now i have a question for this person. You know his personally. I feel that this person is very very non-aggressive. Normally he will not look like a short tempered person but when his anger comes then he does not know the limit. Please let me know these two things. Best Wishes Jagdish Soumit Guha <java_sgt > wrote: Dear Prafulla/Maniv, The native does not have a dearth of wealth. He alway was a high roller and lived well in India. Over here his living conditions are definetly poor, but all that is relative.He is the king of his realm with several to his becokning. When I met him, I found him to be quite comfortable, all needs taken care off. He threw a fest and we partied. I think those palnets in the 8th house in Rasi (debts) have to do with it. I guess you have to accept your lumps too, when you take big risks. soumit guha java_sgt maniv1321 <maniv1321 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:34:46 PM Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart Note that Mars is debilitated in Cancer (also in Navamsa) and aspects the Moon, which is in the 5th house. Saturn also aspects Mars and the Moon. These indications seem to tie in with the contributions of Bhaskarbhai/ Parafullabhai. Although Venus and Jupiter also aspect the Moon, some link is evident albeit on the basis of a very low number of observations. , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish > wrote: > > Dear Soumit ji, > > In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate > misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. > > Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such financial > debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read with > the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. > > regards / Prafulla > > regards / Prafulla > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog > 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > Oct 2, 1962 > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > soumit guha > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines to > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to astro- > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura grahas > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we can > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > The above are my personal views. > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs research. > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and then > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what indications > > in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the head > > and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Sir, Theres no question of being better of at India or at any one place. His Lagna being airy, he is anyway supposed to keep moving for his own good, he is not supposed to sit at one place and continue working there. Change ,flexibility,adaptability,Dual persona, has to be there in any case cause of Gemini Lagna and Mercury lagna Lord. regards, Bhaskar. +, Soumit Guha <java_sgt wrote: > > Dear Jagdish, > Yes, you join a list of astrologers who too are puzzled with this case. > They say he would fare far better in India. There might be some bandhana yoga maybe short term exile stuff. > But this guy is filmi and considers his reputation to be tarnished by his debts and his flee. So he does not want to go back to India and would rather see his family come here an be with him. > Rest what you say is true. > soumit guha > jawva_sgt > > > > > Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 7:06:45 PM > Re: Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > Respected Sir Guha > > I am very much interestedin this case. But i am surprized that he is out of India ? > > How it can be possible ? He is running the mahadasa of Lagna Lord which is exalted and retrogade in 4th house ! And you are saying he is out of the country. > > Now i have a question for this person. You know his personally. > > I feel that this person is very very non-aggressive. > > Normally he will not look like a short tempered person but when his anger comes then he does not know the limit. > > Please let me know these two things. > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > > > Soumit Guha <java_sgt > wrote: > Dear Prafulla/Maniv, > The native does not have a dearth of wealth. He alway was a high roller and lived well in India. > Over here his living conditions are definetly poor, but all that is relative.He is the king of his realm with several to his becokning. > When I met him, I found him to be quite comfortable, all needs taken care off. He threw a fest and we partied. > I think those palnets in the 8th house in Rasi (debts) have to do with it. I guess you have to accept your lumps too, when you take big risks. > > soumit guha > java_sgt > > > maniv1321 <maniv1321 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:34:46 PM > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > Note that Mars is debilitated in Cancer (also in Navamsa) and > aspects the Moon, which is in the 5th house. Saturn also aspects > Mars and the Moon. These indications seem to tie in with the > contributions of Bhaskarbhai/ Parafullabhai. Although Venus and > Jupiter also aspect the Moon, some link is evident albeit on the > basis of a very low number of observations. > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Soumit ji, > > > > In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate > > misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. > > > > Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such > financial > > debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read > with > > the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog > > 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > > Oct 2, 1962 > > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > > soumit guha > > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines > to > > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to > astro- > > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura > grahas > > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we > can > > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > > > The above are my personal views. > > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs > research. > > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and > then > > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > <maniv1321@ ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate > kundali > > > simply > > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what > indications > > > in > > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the > head > > > and > > > > heart line). > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Soumit ji, When you wrote, :This guy is filmi..." did you mean he is associated with the movie/entertainment/showbusiness industry or that he just loves to do "drama!" In the latter case, caution wonders: All you are saying about him, and that is being taken so seriously by members here -- is it all true as observed and personally known to you -- or hearsay? This is important because histrionic (sp?) personalities often are able to project the reality as they see it and not as it is. And, sometimes they are not lying or putting on an act. They may be living it, as many a psychologists and police detectives may have experienced in their encounters! Not saying that that is the case in this instance, but perhaps just being cautious here! Best regards, RR , Soumit Guha <java_sgt wrote: > > Dear Jagdish, > Yes, you join a list of astrologers who too are puzzled with this case. > They say he would fare far better in India. There might be some bandhana yoga maybe short term exile stuff. > But this guy is filmi and considers his reputation to be tarnished by his debts and his flee. So he does not want to go back to India and would rather see his family come here an be with him. > Rest what you say is true. > soumit guha > jawva_sgt > > > > > Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 7:06:45 PM > Re: Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > Respected Sir Guha > > I am very much interestedin this case. But i am surprized that he is out of India ? > > How it can be possible ? He is running the mahadasa of Lagna Lord which is exalted and retrogade in 4th house ! And you are saying he is out of the country. > > Now i have a question for this person. You know his personally. > > I feel that this person is very very non-aggressive. > > Normally he will not look like a short tempered person but when his anger comes then he does not know the limit. > > Please let me know these two things. > > Best Wishes > > Jagdish > > > Soumit Guha <java_sgt > wrote: > Dear Prafulla/Maniv, > The native does not have a dearth of wealth. He alway was a high roller and lived well in India. > Over here his living conditions are definetly poor, but all that is relative.He is the king of his realm with several to his becokning. > When I met him, I found him to be quite comfortable, all needs taken care off. He threw a fest and we partied. > I think those palnets in the 8th house in Rasi (debts) have to do with it. I guess you have to accept your lumps too, when you take big risks. > > soumit guha > java_sgt > > > maniv1321 <maniv1321 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:34:46 PM > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > Note that Mars is debilitated in Cancer (also in Navamsa) and > aspects the Moon, which is in the 5th house. Saturn also aspects > Mars and the Moon. These indications seem to tie in with the > contributions of Bhaskarbhai/ Parafullabhai. Although Venus and > Jupiter also aspect the Moon, some link is evident albeit on the > basis of a very low number of observations. > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Soumit ji, > > > > In my observation of palmistry - this line does not indicate > > misfortune. It is more around the application of heart / head. > > > > Astrologically speaking, there must be some factors for such > financial > > debacle in the chart. Generally speaking - dhan yoga must be read > with > > the dhan sustaining and damaging factors. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar/Maniv, > > > I am sharing a chart of a native with a Simian Line. > > > Native has an ample amount of both head and heart but has been > > unfortunate the last 7 yrs. > > > He has incurred Rs 1cr of debt on a failed business, and fled the > > loan sharks in India and come to the US illegally. > > > He is currently managing 2 fastfood places and works like a dog > > 12-14 hrs a day 7 days a week, to pay off his creditors and support > > family in India whom he has not seen since 1999. > > > > > > For your research purposes the details are > > > Oct 2, 1962 > > > 00:02 am, Bombay, India > > > soumit guha > > > java_sgt@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:48:21 AM > > > Re: Simian Line link to Birth chart > > > > > > Dear mr.Maniv, > > > > > > Simian life denotes either the person does not have head line or > > > either no heart line. This depends on the nearness of the lines > to > > > the bottom joints of the fingers,known as mounts. > > > > > > I do not think that anyone till date has linked Simian line to > astro- > > > chart. But if the person is heartless as seen by the Krura > grahas > > > aflicting the Lagna or 5th house and also Leo, and also > > > confirmed by Simian line being more near the Life line then we > can > > > conclude the Link. Same explanation for Simian Line (Head Line). > > > In this case factors relating to Mars,Aries, Mercury and Moon. > > > > > > The above are my personal views. > > > I will not be able to explain much on this as this needs > research. > > > first to find many natives with Simian lines in their hands, and > then > > > also match their charts with findings on palm. > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > <maniv1321@ ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate > kundali > > > simply > > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what > indications > > > in > > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the > head > > > and > > > > heart line). > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Maniv I observed these, in my early days of vedic astrology (where as I started studying palmistry much earlier). Yes, recalling few charts - Mars / moon were more into 4/7/10 aspect (in few cases moon was not aspecting mars), or mars being in cancer as well. I am sure, there must be other influences as well (like mercury / jupiter etc) on either of the planets; but mars aspect upon moon was prominent. regards / Prafulla Gang , "maniv1321" <maniv1321 wrote: > > > Prafullabhai > > The simian line certainly indicates an extreme personality - the > word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the thinking process > is dominated by emotions or the emotions are dominated by the > rational faculty of the mind. > > It interesting that you attribute the planetary influences to > Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and their source (4th > house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an affliction to the > Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would represent > logic/coldness and its debilitation in the emotional sign > representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight to it being the > anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. > > In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th house/Cancer? > > Regards, > > Maniv > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear maniv, > > > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on extreme extent) > for > > his matters. So many a times - people may find him very > > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional person. > > > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed this behaviour in > lot > > many people. You may also observe interesting trend for such > natives. > > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - then you will > also > > observe the similar line (heart line dropping into head line, while > > head line being straight across the palm). > > > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of mars / moon is > indicated > > in such natives. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > simply > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what > indications in > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the > head and > > > heart line). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 I just skipped to add: Moon or mars need not be afflicting each other. Both may be functional benefic and then, such extremes might be working for positive / gainful events. , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Maniv > > I observed these, in my early days of vedic astrology (where as I > started studying palmistry much earlier). Yes, recalling few charts - > Mars / moon were more into 4/7/10 aspect (in few cases moon was not > aspecting mars), or mars being in cancer as well. I am sure, there > must be other influences as well (like mercury / jupiter etc) on > either of the planets; but mars aspect upon moon was prominent. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@> > wrote: > > > > > > Prafullabhai > > > > The simian line certainly indicates an extreme personality - the > > word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the thinking process > > is dominated by emotions or the emotions are dominated by the > > rational faculty of the mind. > > > > It interesting that you attribute the planetary influences to > > Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and their source (4th > > house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an affliction to the > > Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would represent > > logic/coldness and its debilitation in the emotional sign > > representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight to it being the > > anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. > > > > In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th house/Cancer? > > > > Regards, > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear maniv, > > > > > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on extreme extent) > > for > > > his matters. So many a times - people may find him very > > > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional person. > > > > > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed this behaviour in > > lot > > > many people. You may also observe interesting trend for such > > natives. > > > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - then you will > > also > > > observe the similar line (heart line dropping into head line, while > > > head line being straight across the palm). > > > > > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of mars / moon is > > indicated > > > in such natives. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "maniv1321" <maniv1321@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate kundali > > simply > > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what > > indications in > > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of the > > head and > > > > heart line). > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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