Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Prafulla, The modern teachers have their reasons, obviously and I presume they do! And we are thankful that they are all here, as we live and breathe. All said and done, minor and major attacks beyond ... here and anywhere -- Each of us is on a lonely journey, even when amongst a group of pilgrims! This can be a pilgrimage only if we make it so! We have the 1 in 4 freedom to complain about the food, the travel arrangements, the accomodation -- but do we have the choice about what we are ultimately going to see, what we signed up for this pilgrimage to be? Bliss so far ... Thank you! ranjan , "Prafulla Gang" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > Yes, you are right - very few share their knowledge. Amongst writers > of current century (or say late 90's) - Shri VK Choudhry, Shri Sanjay > Rath and few more - have been quite vocal and participative. They > shared their conviction, without really pushing people to accept it. > > If I recall, on another jyotish forum - one of the member shared shri > KN Rao's interaction with him; wherein Shri KN Rao explicitly refused > to share secrets lately, for the risk of getting them into wrong hands. > > This trend is emerging for many reasons including - jytoish being > perceived as quick mode to make money across the country, by > jyotishis. So- focus on research, astro data driven pattern analysis > etc are fading. But this is more around internet jyotishis and big > cities based jyotishis. Old ones, in interiors of the country - are > quite open to discuss many secrets of astrology (more of parampara) > and explain the clues. Unfortunately, they are not yet exposed to > published / cyber media. > > In my constrained journey of jyotish, I found those downtown > astrologers, as best source of learning. and you will be surprised to > know, that they are vary rationalized for remedial pursuits (no quick > fix). May be, for the space they live in or their clientsa live in - > life is bit slow paced as yet. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > For some reason, I have found most jyotish writers rather hesitant to > > share their experiences. Except BV Raman ji! > > > > Even KN Raoji, beautiful soul that he is, kind of pulls back! Maybe > > it is the Indian teacher in him that makes us work harder and > > actually work out the charts that he boldly challenges us in his > > books to examine. And when we examine ... > > > > Much of jyotish as revealed has been somewhat of a mumbo-jumbo mostly > > because of poor expression (even the hindi translations! No excuse > > there of trying to explain in a foreign language, right?) but also > > because maybe it is some kind of divine plan! > > > > I personally would like to believe that all of them KNOW, even if > > they claim that the other guy does not, openly or in private emails! > > > > So what do we do, stuck in the desert of sands with pyramids and > > sphinxes of older realities, older magnificient cultures in our > > direct view all around do? > > > > We keep walking, for staying put will kill us for sure and would not > > get us closer to the oasis! In the meantime, we must make sure that > > even if we die, the next generation is produced and made to keep > > going! > > > > Kind of like that walt disney movie -- Land Before Time! About > > dinosaurs some would say, but really about LIFE! > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > Yes - I too found Shri RG Rao's books, bit difficult to decrypt. > > > Recently, I was just reading "Transit of Planets On Thy Birth > > Chart" - > > > by RG Rao and event that too, bit complex. The complexities grow, as > > > he illustrates the charts, without providing birth data. But his > > > analysis are good pointers for interpretations (that is how, I look > > at > > > it). Compared to this, Late Santhanam's notes in Devakeralam is > > > relatively easier to read and decrypt. > > > > > > Coming to palm - there must be certain corelation with native's > > chart. > > > Sometime back, I met an astrologer - who could make the chart from > > the > > > thumb impression. > > > > > > I will keep your pointers (on Jupiter (Rx) and rahu) for simian > > line, > > > in mind. Yes, origin of heart line from jupiter (perhaps for > > > exaltation of jupiter in 4th house) has its significance in the > > palm. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > Going back to R.G. Rao, the pithy, difficult to understand text > > and > > > > writer (like most Indian writers from the 30-80s, except a few, > > like > > > > Sri Raman, Sri Krishnamurti, Sri P.S. Sastry, Sri Santhanam, Sri > > > > Khareghat, Sri Gopal Krishna Rao, 'Meena', Sri Shrimali, Sri > > Khot, > > > > and Mr. K.N. Rao who was just making his Era-changing presence > > known! > > > > And a few others after him, but after 80s!!), which is not > > surprising > > > > (the characteristic impatient restlessness of contemporary > > readers of > > > > jyotish texts), this Rao I am talking about attributed the heart > > line > > > > to jupiter and head line to mars. He gave some indicators for > > > > retrogression of these planets in palms and association with rahu > > etc. > > > > > > > > Palm is a full mystery in its own but if connected to ONE AND > > ONLY > > > > TRUTH, both palmistry and astrology must have a common ground, a > > > > common language or root! It is my naive belief, always has been. > > One > > > > or two charts or palms may not corroborate just as we have seen > > > > endlessly in the astro-scene. Someone posts an observation and > > > > immediately afterwards someone posts an exception. I often smile > > when > > > > that happens, NOT because the original poster was proved wrong, > > > > because oftentimes I am too, whether I posted or merely observed > > the > > > > same or not, but because it fuels hope into my core belief -- > > that > > > > even if 75% predictions come true and indicate some > > incontrovertible > > > > and unavoidable karma and DESTINY, these exceptions remind us > > that > > > > there is hope, there is freedom of choice. To the tune of 25%! > > HEY, 1 > > > > in 4 is not bad odds! Lord is merciful, for if HE is indeed as as > > > > powerful and OMNIPOTENT as depicted in nearly all religions -- > > then > > > > he is a KIND parent. For HE/SHE allows us a 1 in 4 chance to win. > > > > Just like the parent who fights all fiercely against us but we > > just > > > > know that we would not win if HE did not let us. Almost like some > > > > very kind and nurturing big brothers or sisters, some of us may > > have > > > > been fortunate to have experienced as we were growing up. > > > > > > > > Anyways -- the quest continues -- at least for some of us who > > haven't > > > > called it 'CAMP-TIME' yet, hopefully! > > > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv > > > > > > > > > > I observed these, in my early days of vedic astrology (where as > > I > > > > > started studying palmistry much earlier). Yes, recalling few > > > > charts - > > > > > Mars / moon were more into 4/7/10 aspect (in few cases moon was > > not > > > > > aspecting mars), or mars being in cancer as well. I am sure, > > there > > > > > must be other influences as well (like mercury / jupiter etc) on > > > > > either of the planets; but mars aspect upon moon was prominent. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullabhai > > > > > > > > > > > > The simian line certainly indicates an extreme personality - > > the > > > > > > word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the thinking > > > > process > > > > > > is dominated by emotions or the emotions are dominated by the > > > > > > rational faculty of the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > It interesting that you attribute the planetary influences to > > > > > > Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and their > > source > > > > (4th > > > > > > house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an affliction > > to > > > > the > > > > > > Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would represent > > > > > > logic/coldness and its debilitation in the emotional sign > > > > > > representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight to it > > being > > > > the > > > > > > anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th > > house/Cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on extreme > > > > extent) > > > > > > for > > > > > > > his matters. So many a times - people may find him very > > > > > > > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed this > > behaviour > > > > in > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > many people. You may also observe interesting trend for > > such > > > > > > natives. > > > > > > > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - then you > > will > > > > > > also > > > > > > > observe the similar line (heart line dropping into head > > line, > > > > while > > > > > > > head line being straight across the palm). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of mars / moon > > is > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > in such natives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an accurate > > > > kundali > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line (joining of > > the > > > > > > head and > > > > > > > > heart line). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Ranjanda, The Human birth itself is a pilgrimage. In this voyage when only the beginning ..lagna and the end..12th house is known there is a greedy and selfish quest to understand the remaining houses, the route, the comfort levels, the joneses or the neighbors, the envies, the need to acquire more, the list is unending. Jyotisha began as a tool to understand nature, it got converted intoi a tool to use nature according to our abilities even including the attempted manipulation of the Lagna and the 12th house. The halfbakws postulates became sacrosanct axioms. The simply defined upachaya route which explained the path extended to all houses.That Jyotisha said in a powerfully symbolic way...focus on 3, 6, 10,11 houses was ignored, maya mahathagini ham jane! Yet, I remain optimistic! regards rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Prafulla, > > The modern teachers have their reasons, obviously and I presume they > do! And we are thankful that they are all here, as we live and > breathe. > > > All said and done, minor and major attacks beyond ... here and > anywhere -- > > Each of us is on a lonely journey, even when amongst a group of > pilgrims! > > This can be a pilgrimage only if we make it so! We have the 1 in 4 > freedom to complain about the food, the travel arrangements, the > accomodation -- but do we have the choice about what we are > ultimately going to see, what we signed up for this pilgrimage to be? > > Bliss so far ... > > > Thank you! > > ranjan > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > Yes, you are right - very few share their knowledge. Amongst writers > > of current century (or say late 90's) - Shri VK Choudhry, Shri > Sanjay > > Rath and few more - have been quite vocal and participative. They > > shared their conviction, without really pushing people to accept > it. > > > > If I recall, on another jyotish forum - one of the member shared > shri > > KN Rao's interaction with him; wherein Shri KN Rao explicitly > refused > > to share secrets lately, for the risk of getting them into wrong > hands. > > > > This trend is emerging for many reasons including - jytoish being > > perceived as quick mode to make money across the country, by > > jyotishis. So- focus on research, astro data driven pattern analysis > > etc are fading. But this is more around internet jyotishis and big > > cities based jyotishis. Old ones, in interiors of the country - are > > quite open to discuss many secrets of astrology (more of parampara) > > and explain the clues. Unfortunately, they are not yet exposed to > > published / cyber media. > > > > In my constrained journey of jyotish, I found those downtown > > astrologers, as best source of learning. and you will be surprised > to > > know, that they are vary rationalized for remedial pursuits (no > quick > > fix). May be, for the space they live in or their clientsa live in - > > life is bit slow paced as yet. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > For some reason, I have found most jyotish writers rather > hesitant to > > > share their experiences. Except BV Raman ji! > > > > > > Even KN Raoji, beautiful soul that he is, kind of pulls back! > Maybe > > > it is the Indian teacher in him that makes us work harder and > > > actually work out the charts that he boldly challenges us in his > > > books to examine. And when we examine ... > > > > > > Much of jyotish as revealed has been somewhat of a mumbo-jumbo > mostly > > > because of poor expression (even the hindi translations! No > excuse > > > there of trying to explain in a foreign language, right?) but > also > > > because maybe it is some kind of divine plan! > > > > > > I personally would like to believe that all of them KNOW, even if > > > they claim that the other guy does not, openly or in private > emails! > > > > > > So what do we do, stuck in the desert of sands with pyramids and > > > sphinxes of older realities, older magnificient cultures in our > > > direct view all around do? > > > > > > We keep walking, for staying put will kill us for sure and would > not > > > get us closer to the oasis! In the meantime, we must make sure > that > > > even if we die, the next generation is produced and made to keep > > > going! > > > > > > Kind of like that walt disney movie -- Land Before Time! About > > > dinosaurs some would say, but really about LIFE! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > Yes - I too found Shri RG Rao's books, bit difficult to decrypt. > > > > Recently, I was just reading "Transit of Planets On Thy Birth > > > Chart" - > > > > by RG Rao and event that too, bit complex. The complexities > grow, as > > > > he illustrates the charts, without providing birth data. But his > > > > analysis are good pointers for interpretations (that is how, I > look > > > at > > > > it). Compared to this, Late Santhanam's notes in Devakeralam is > > > > relatively easier to read and decrypt. > > > > > > > > Coming to palm - there must be certain corelation with native's > > > chart. > > > > Sometime back, I met an astrologer - who could make the chart > from > > > the > > > > thumb impression. > > > > > > > > I will keep your pointers (on Jupiter (Rx) and rahu) for simian > > > line, > > > > in mind. Yes, origin of heart line from jupiter (perhaps for > > > > exaltation of jupiter in 4th house) has its significance in the > > > palm. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > Going back to R.G. Rao, the pithy, difficult to understand > text > > > and > > > > > writer (like most Indian writers from the 30-80s, except a > few, > > > like > > > > > Sri Raman, Sri Krishnamurti, Sri P.S. Sastry, Sri Santhanam, > Sri > > > > > Khareghat, Sri Gopal Krishna Rao, 'Meena', Sri Shrimali, Sri > > > Khot, > > > > > and Mr. K.N. Rao who was just making his Era-changing > presence > > > known! > > > > > And a few others after him, but after 80s!!), which is not > > > surprising > > > > > (the characteristic impatient restlessness of contemporary > > > readers of > > > > > jyotish texts), this Rao I am talking about attributed the > heart > > > line > > > > > to jupiter and head line to mars. He gave some indicators for > > > > > retrogression of these planets in palms and association with > rahu > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Palm is a full mystery in its own but if connected to ONE AND > > > ONLY > > > > > TRUTH, both palmistry and astrology must have a common > ground, a > > > > > common language or root! It is my naive belief, always has > been. > > > One > > > > > or two charts or palms may not corroborate just as we have > seen > > > > > endlessly in the astro-scene. Someone posts an observation > and > > > > > immediately afterwards someone posts an exception. I often > smile > > > when > > > > > that happens, NOT because the original poster was proved > wrong, > > > > > because oftentimes I am too, whether I posted or merely > observed > > > the > > > > > same or not, but because it fuels hope into my core belief - - > > > that > > > > > even if 75% predictions come true and indicate some > > > incontrovertible > > > > > and unavoidable karma and DESTINY, these exceptions remind us > > > that > > > > > there is hope, there is freedom of choice. To the tune of > 25%! > > > HEY, 1 > > > > > in 4 is not bad odds! Lord is merciful, for if HE is indeed > as as > > > > > powerful and OMNIPOTENT as depicted in nearly all religions -- > > > > then > > > > > he is a KIND parent. For HE/SHE allows us a 1 in 4 chance to > win. > > > > > Just like the parent who fights all fiercely against us but > we > > > just > > > > > know that we would not win if HE did not let us. Almost like > some > > > > > very kind and nurturing big brothers or sisters, some of us > may > > > have > > > > > been fortunate to have experienced as we were growing up. > > > > > > > > > > Anyways -- the quest continues -- at least for some of us who > > > haven't > > > > > called it 'CAMP-TIME' yet, hopefully! > > > > > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > I observed these, in my early days of vedic astrology > (where as > > > I > > > > > > started studying palmistry much earlier). Yes, recalling > few > > > > > charts - > > > > > > Mars / moon were more into 4/7/10 aspect (in few cases moon > was > > > not > > > > > > aspecting mars), or mars being in cancer as well. I am > sure, > > > there > > > > > > must be other influences as well (like mercury / jupiter > etc) on > > > > > > either of the planets; but mars aspect upon moon was > prominent. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullabhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The simian line certainly indicates an extreme > personality - > > > the > > > > > > > word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the > thinking > > > > > process > > > > > > > is dominated by emotions or the emotions are dominated by > the > > > > > > > rational faculty of the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It interesting that you attribute the planetary > influences to > > > > > > > Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and their > > > source > > > > > (4th > > > > > > > house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an > affliction > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would > represent > > > > > > > logic/coldness and its debilitation in the emotional sign > > > > > > > representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight to it > > > being > > > > > the > > > > > > > anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th > > > house/Cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on > extreme > > > > > extent) > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > his matters. So many a times - people may find him > very > > > > > > > > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed this > > > behaviour > > > > > in > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > many people. You may also observe interesting trend for > > > such > > > > > > > natives. > > > > > > > > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - then > you > > > will > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > observe the similar line (heart line dropping into head > > > line, > > > > > while > > > > > > > > head line being straight across the palm). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of mars / > moon > > > is > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > in such natives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an > accurate > > > > > kundali > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about what > > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line > (joining of > > > the > > > > > > > head and > > > > > > > > > heart line). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Rishi, Without growth, there is no LIFE, no worldly reality! Upachaya houses are about growth! 3, 6, 11 are the primary points of growth and 10th too. Growth is about those things that make us come alive, roll out of our beds and fight the daily reality -- unless we are completely overpowered by depression (another thread -- somewhere!) Purushartha Enemies KARMA Earnings make most of us come alive and to sit up and GROW Upachayaa As long as Lagna is cooperating! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Ranjanda, > The Human birth itself is a pilgrimage. In this voyage when only the > beginning ..lagna and the end..12th house is known there is a greedy > and selfish quest to understand the remaining houses, the route, the > comfort levels, the joneses or the neighbors, the envies, the need to > acquire more, the list is unending. > Jyotisha began as a tool to understand nature, it got converted intoi > a tool to use nature according to our abilities even including the > attempted manipulation of the Lagna and the 12th house. The halfbakws > postulates became sacrosanct axioms. > The simply defined upachaya route which explained the path extended > to all houses.That Jyotisha said in a powerfully symbolic way...focus > on 3, 6, 10,11 houses was ignored, maya mahathagini ham jane! > Yet, I remain optimistic! > > regards > > rishi > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Prafulla, > > > > The modern teachers have their reasons, obviously and I presume > they > > do! And we are thankful that they are all here, as we live and > > breathe. > > > > > > All said and done, minor and major attacks beyond ... here and > > anywhere -- > > > > Each of us is on a lonely journey, even when amongst a group of > > pilgrims! > > > > This can be a pilgrimage only if we make it so! We have the 1 in 4 > > freedom to complain about the food, the travel arrangements, the > > accomodation -- but do we have the choice about what we are > > ultimately going to see, what we signed up for this pilgrimage to > be? > > > > Bliss so far ... > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > ranjan > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > Yes, you are right - very few share their knowledge. Amongst > writers > > > of current century (or say late 90's) - Shri VK Choudhry, Shri > > Sanjay > > > Rath and few more - have been quite vocal and participative. They > > > shared their conviction, without really pushing people to accept > > it. > > > > > > If I recall, on another jyotish forum - one of the member shared > > shri > > > KN Rao's interaction with him; wherein Shri KN Rao explicitly > > refused > > > to share secrets lately, for the risk of getting them into wrong > > hands. > > > > > > This trend is emerging for many reasons including - jytoish being > > > perceived as quick mode to make money across the country, by > > > jyotishis. So- focus on research, astro data driven pattern > analysis > > > etc are fading. But this is more around internet jyotishis and big > > > cities based jyotishis. Old ones, in interiors of the country - > are > > > quite open to discuss many secrets of astrology (more of > parampara) > > > and explain the clues. Unfortunately, they are not yet exposed to > > > published / cyber media. > > > > > > In my constrained journey of jyotish, I found those downtown > > > astrologers, as best source of learning. and you will be > surprised > > to > > > know, that they are vary rationalized for remedial pursuits (no > > quick > > > fix). May be, for the space they live in or their clientsa live > in - > > > life is bit slow paced as yet. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > For some reason, I have found most jyotish writers rather > > hesitant to > > > > share their experiences. Except BV Raman ji! > > > > > > > > Even KN Raoji, beautiful soul that he is, kind of pulls back! > > Maybe > > > > it is the Indian teacher in him that makes us work harder and > > > > actually work out the charts that he boldly challenges us in > his > > > > books to examine. And when we examine ... > > > > > > > > Much of jyotish as revealed has been somewhat of a mumbo- jumbo > > mostly > > > > because of poor expression (even the hindi translations! No > > excuse > > > > there of trying to explain in a foreign language, right?) but > > also > > > > because maybe it is some kind of divine plan! > > > > > > > > I personally would like to believe that all of them KNOW, even > if > > > > they claim that the other guy does not, openly or in private > > emails! > > > > > > > > So what do we do, stuck in the desert of sands with pyramids > and > > > > sphinxes of older realities, older magnificient cultures in our > > > > direct view all around do? > > > > > > > > We keep walking, for staying put will kill us for sure and > would > > not > > > > get us closer to the oasis! In the meantime, we must make sure > > that > > > > even if we die, the next generation is produced and made to > keep > > > > going! > > > > > > > > Kind of like that walt disney movie -- Land Before Time! About > > > > dinosaurs some would say, but really about LIFE! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > Yes - I too found Shri RG Rao's books, bit difficult to > decrypt. > > > > > Recently, I was just reading "Transit of Planets On Thy Birth > > > > Chart" - > > > > > by RG Rao and event that too, bit complex. The complexities > > grow, as > > > > > he illustrates the charts, without providing birth data. But > his > > > > > analysis are good pointers for interpretations (that is how, > I > > look > > > > at > > > > > it). Compared to this, Late Santhanam's notes in Devakeralam > is > > > > > relatively easier to read and decrypt. > > > > > > > > > > Coming to palm - there must be certain corelation with > native's > > > > chart. > > > > > Sometime back, I met an astrologer - who could make the chart > > from > > > > the > > > > > thumb impression. > > > > > > > > > > I will keep your pointers (on Jupiter (Rx) and rahu) for > simian > > > > line, > > > > > in mind. Yes, origin of heart line from jupiter (perhaps for > > > > > exaltation of jupiter in 4th house) has its significance in > the > > > > palm. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > Going back to R.G. Rao, the pithy, difficult to understand > > text > > > > and > > > > > > writer (like most Indian writers from the 30-80s, except a > > few, > > > > like > > > > > > Sri Raman, Sri Krishnamurti, Sri P.S. Sastry, Sri > Santhanam, > > Sri > > > > > > Khareghat, Sri Gopal Krishna Rao, 'Meena', Sri Shrimali, > Sri > > > > Khot, > > > > > > and Mr. K.N. Rao who was just making his Era-changing > > presence > > > > known! > > > > > > And a few others after him, but after 80s!!), which is not > > > > surprising > > > > > > (the characteristic impatient restlessness of contemporary > > > > readers of > > > > > > jyotish texts), this Rao I am talking about attributed the > > heart > > > > line > > > > > > to jupiter and head line to mars. He gave some indicators > for > > > > > > retrogression of these planets in palms and association > with > > rahu > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Palm is a full mystery in its own but if connected to ONE > AND > > > > ONLY > > > > > > TRUTH, both palmistry and astrology must have a common > > ground, a > > > > > > common language or root! It is my naive belief, always has > > been. > > > > One > > > > > > or two charts or palms may not corroborate just as we have > > seen > > > > > > endlessly in the astro-scene. Someone posts an observation > > and > > > > > > immediately afterwards someone posts an exception. I often > > smile > > > > when > > > > > > that happens, NOT because the original poster was proved > > wrong, > > > > > > because oftentimes I am too, whether I posted or merely > > observed > > > > the > > > > > > same or not, but because it fuels hope into my core belief - > - > > > > that > > > > > > even if 75% predictions come true and indicate some > > > > incontrovertible > > > > > > and unavoidable karma and DESTINY, these exceptions remind > us > > > > that > > > > > > there is hope, there is freedom of choice. To the tune of > > 25%! > > > > HEY, 1 > > > > > > in 4 is not bad odds! Lord is merciful, for if HE is indeed > > as as > > > > > > powerful and OMNIPOTENT as depicted in nearly all > religions -- > > > > > > then > > > > > > he is a KIND parent. For HE/SHE allows us a 1 in 4 chance > to > > win. > > > > > > Just like the parent who fights all fiercely against us but > > we > > > > just > > > > > > know that we would not win if HE did not let us. Almost > like > > some > > > > > > very kind and nurturing big brothers or sisters, some of us > > may > > > > have > > > > > > been fortunate to have experienced as we were growing up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways -- the quest continues -- at least for some of us > who > > > > haven't > > > > > > called it 'CAMP-TIME' yet, hopefully! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I observed these, in my early days of vedic astrology > > (where as > > > > I > > > > > > > started studying palmistry much earlier). Yes, recalling > > few > > > > > > charts - > > > > > > > Mars / moon were more into 4/7/10 aspect (in few cases > moon > > was > > > > not > > > > > > > aspecting mars), or mars being in cancer as well. I am > > sure, > > > > there > > > > > > > must be other influences as well (like mercury / jupiter > > etc) on > > > > > > > either of the planets; but mars aspect upon moon was > > prominent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullabhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The simian line certainly indicates an extreme > > personality - > > > > the > > > > > > > > word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the > > thinking > > > > > > process > > > > > > > > is dominated by emotions or the emotions are dominated > by > > the > > > > > > > > rational faculty of the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It interesting that you attribute the planetary > > influences to > > > > > > > > Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and > their > > > > source > > > > > > (4th > > > > > > > > house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an > > affliction > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would > > represent > > > > > > > > logic/coldness and its debilitation in the emotional > sign > > > > > > > > representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight to > it > > > > being > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th > > > > house/Cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > Gang" > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on > > extreme > > > > > > extent) > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > his matters. So many a times - people may find him > > very > > > > > > > > > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed this > > > > behaviour > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > many people. You may also observe interesting trend > for > > > > such > > > > > > > > natives. > > > > > > > > > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - > then > > you > > > > will > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > observe the similar line (heart line dropping into > head > > > > line, > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > head line being straight across the palm). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of mars / > > moon > > > > is > > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > > in such natives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an > > accurate > > > > > > kundali > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about > what > > > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line > > (joining of > > > > the > > > > > > > > head and > > > > > > > > > > heart line). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Now we are talking! If these represent growth, then remedies should be focused on these too? Isnt it interesting that none of these four houses belong to either the Dharma trikona with Lagna as its base or the Moksha trikona with 4th house as its base. They are linked with the Artha or Kama trikonas only. rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rishi, > > Without growth, there is no LIFE, no worldly reality! Upachaya houses > are about growth! > > 3, 6, 11 are the primary points of growth and 10th too. > > Growth is about those things that make us come alive, roll out of our > beds and fight the daily reality -- unless we are completely > overpowered by depression (another thread -- somewhere!) > > Purushartha > Enemies > KARMA > Earnings > > make most of us come alive and to sit up and GROW > > Upachayaa > > As long as Lagna is cooperating! > > RR > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Ranjanda, > > The Human birth itself is a pilgrimage. In this voyage when only > the > > beginning ..lagna and the end..12th house is known there is a > greedy > > and selfish quest to understand the remaining houses, the route, > the > > comfort levels, the joneses or the neighbors, the envies, the need > to > > acquire more, the list is unending. > > Jyotisha began as a tool to understand nature, it got converted > intoi > > a tool to use nature according to our abilities even including the > > attempted manipulation of the Lagna and the 12th house. The > halfbakws > > postulates became sacrosanct axioms. > > The simply defined upachaya route which explained the path extended > > to all houses.That Jyotisha said in a powerfully symbolic > way...focus > > on 3, 6, 10,11 houses was ignored, maya mahathagini ham jane! > > Yet, I remain optimistic! > > > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > > > > The modern teachers have their reasons, obviously and I presume > > they > > > do! And we are thankful that they are all here, as we live and > > > breathe. > > > > > > > > > All said and done, minor and major attacks beyond ... here and > > > anywhere -- > > > > > > Each of us is on a lonely journey, even when amongst a group of > > > pilgrims! > > > > > > This can be a pilgrimage only if we make it so! We have the 1 in > 4 > > > freedom to complain about the food, the travel arrangements, the > > > accomodation -- but do we have the choice about what we are > > > ultimately going to see, what we signed up for this pilgrimage to > > be? > > > > > > Bliss so far ... > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > ranjan > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right - very few share their knowledge. Amongst > > writers > > > > of current century (or say late 90's) - Shri VK Choudhry, Shri > > > Sanjay > > > > Rath and few more - have been quite vocal and participative. > They > > > > shared their conviction, without really pushing people to > accept > > > it. > > > > > > > > If I recall, on another jyotish forum - one of the member > shared > > > shri > > > > KN Rao's interaction with him; wherein Shri KN Rao explicitly > > > refused > > > > to share secrets lately, for the risk of getting them into > wrong > > > hands. > > > > > > > > This trend is emerging for many reasons including - jytoish > being > > > > perceived as quick mode to make money across the country, by > > > > jyotishis. So- focus on research, astro data driven pattern > > analysis > > > > etc are fading. But this is more around internet jyotishis and > big > > > > cities based jyotishis. Old ones, in interiors of the country - > > are > > > > quite open to discuss many secrets of astrology (more of > > parampara) > > > > and explain the clues. Unfortunately, they are not yet exposed > to > > > > published / cyber media. > > > > > > > > In my constrained journey of jyotish, I found those downtown > > > > astrologers, as best source of learning. and you will be > > surprised > > > to > > > > know, that they are vary rationalized for remedial pursuits (no > > > quick > > > > fix). May be, for the space they live in or their clientsa live > > in - > > > > life is bit slow paced as yet. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, I have found most jyotish writers rather > > > hesitant to > > > > > share their experiences. Except BV Raman ji! > > > > > > > > > > Even KN Raoji, beautiful soul that he is, kind of pulls back! > > > Maybe > > > > > it is the Indian teacher in him that makes us work harder and > > > > > actually work out the charts that he boldly challenges us in > > his > > > > > books to examine. And when we examine ... > > > > > > > > > > Much of jyotish as revealed has been somewhat of a mumbo- > jumbo > > > mostly > > > > > because of poor expression (even the hindi translations! No > > > excuse > > > > > there of trying to explain in a foreign language, right?) but > > > also > > > > > because maybe it is some kind of divine plan! > > > > > > > > > > I personally would like to believe that all of them KNOW, > even > > if > > > > > they claim that the other guy does not, openly or in private > > > emails! > > > > > > > > > > So what do we do, stuck in the desert of sands with pyramids > > and > > > > > sphinxes of older realities, older magnificient cultures in > our > > > > > direct view all around do? > > > > > > > > > > We keep walking, for staying put will kill us for sure and > > would > > > not > > > > > get us closer to the oasis! In the meantime, we must make > sure > > > that > > > > > even if we die, the next generation is produced and made to > > keep > > > > > going! > > > > > > > > > > Kind of like that walt disney movie -- Land Before Time! > About > > > > > dinosaurs some would say, but really about LIFE! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes - I too found Shri RG Rao's books, bit difficult to > > decrypt. > > > > > > Recently, I was just reading "Transit of Planets On Thy > Birth > > > > > Chart" - > > > > > > by RG Rao and event that too, bit complex. The complexities > > > grow, as > > > > > > he illustrates the charts, without providing birth data. > But > > his > > > > > > analysis are good pointers for interpretations (that is > how, > > I > > > look > > > > > at > > > > > > it). Compared to this, Late Santhanam's notes in > Devakeralam > > is > > > > > > relatively easier to read and decrypt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to palm - there must be certain corelation with > > native's > > > > > chart. > > > > > > Sometime back, I met an astrologer - who could make the > chart > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > thumb impression. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will keep your pointers (on Jupiter (Rx) and rahu) for > > simian > > > > > line, > > > > > > in mind. Yes, origin of heart line from jupiter (perhaps for > > > > > > exaltation of jupiter in 4th house) has its significance in > > the > > > > > palm. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going back to R.G. Rao, the pithy, difficult to > understand > > > text > > > > > and > > > > > > > writer (like most Indian writers from the 30-80s, except > a > > > few, > > > > > like > > > > > > > Sri Raman, Sri Krishnamurti, Sri P.S. Sastry, Sri > > Santhanam, > > > Sri > > > > > > > Khareghat, Sri Gopal Krishna Rao, 'Meena', Sri Shrimali, > > Sri > > > > > Khot, > > > > > > > and Mr. K.N. Rao who was just making his Era-changing > > > presence > > > > > known! > > > > > > > And a few others after him, but after 80s!!), which is > not > > > > > surprising > > > > > > > (the characteristic impatient restlessness of > contemporary > > > > > readers of > > > > > > > jyotish texts), this Rao I am talking about attributed > the > > > heart > > > > > line > > > > > > > to jupiter and head line to mars. He gave some indicators > > for > > > > > > > retrogression of these planets in palms and association > > with > > > rahu > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Palm is a full mystery in its own but if connected to ONE > > AND > > > > > ONLY > > > > > > > TRUTH, both palmistry and astrology must have a common > > > ground, a > > > > > > > common language or root! It is my naive belief, always > has > > > been. > > > > > One > > > > > > > or two charts or palms may not corroborate just as we > have > > > seen > > > > > > > endlessly in the astro-scene. Someone posts an > observation > > > and > > > > > > > immediately afterwards someone posts an exception. I > often > > > smile > > > > > when > > > > > > > that happens, NOT because the original poster was proved > > > wrong, > > > > > > > because oftentimes I am too, whether I posted or merely > > > observed > > > > > the > > > > > > > same or not, but because it fuels hope into my core > belief - > > - > > > > > that > > > > > > > even if 75% predictions come true and indicate some > > > > > incontrovertible > > > > > > > and unavoidable karma and DESTINY, these exceptions > remind > > us > > > > > that > > > > > > > there is hope, there is freedom of choice. To the tune of > > > 25%! > > > > > HEY, 1 > > > > > > > in 4 is not bad odds! Lord is merciful, for if HE is > indeed > > > as as > > > > > > > powerful and OMNIPOTENT as depicted in nearly all > > religions -- > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > he is a KIND parent. For HE/SHE allows us a 1 in 4 chance > > to > > > win. > > > > > > > Just like the parent who fights all fiercely against us > but > > > we > > > > > just > > > > > > > know that we would not win if HE did not let us. Almost > > like > > > some > > > > > > > very kind and nurturing big brothers or sisters, some of > us > > > may > > > > > have > > > > > > > been fortunate to have experienced as we were growing up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways -- the quest continues -- at least for some of us > > who > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > called it 'CAMP-TIME' yet, hopefully! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I observed these, in my early days of vedic astrology > > > (where as > > > > > I > > > > > > > > started studying palmistry much earlier). Yes, > recalling > > > few > > > > > > > charts - > > > > > > > > Mars / moon were more into 4/7/10 aspect (in few cases > > moon > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > > aspecting mars), or mars being in cancer as well. I am > > > sure, > > > > > there > > > > > > > > must be other influences as well (like mercury / > jupiter > > > etc) on > > > > > > > > either of the planets; but mars aspect upon moon was > > > prominent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullabhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The simian line certainly indicates an extreme > > > personality - > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the > > > thinking > > > > > > > process > > > > > > > > > is dominated by emotions or the emotions are > dominated > > by > > > the > > > > > > > > > rational faculty of the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It interesting that you attribute the planetary > > > influences to > > > > > > > > > Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and > > their > > > > > source > > > > > > > (4th > > > > > > > > > house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an > > > affliction > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would > > > represent > > > > > > > > > logic/coldness and its debilitation in the emotional > > sign > > > > > > > > > representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight > to > > it > > > > > being > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th > > > > > house/Cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on > > > extreme > > > > > > > extent) > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > his matters. So many a times - people may find > him > > > very > > > > > > > > > > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly emotional > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed this > > > > > behaviour > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > many people. You may also observe interesting trend > > for > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > natives. > > > > > > > > > > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - > > then > > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > observe the similar line (heart line dropping into > > head > > > > > line, > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > head line being straight across the palm). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of > mars / > > > moon > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > > > in such natives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > > > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an > > > accurate > > > > > > > kundali > > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn about > > what > > > > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > > > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line > > > (joining of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > head and > > > > > > > > > > > heart line). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Look around sir -- kama and artha rock! As the teenager souls say! , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Now we are talking! > If these represent growth, then remedies should be focused on these > too? > Isnt it interesting that none of these four houses belong to either > the Dharma trikona with Lagna as its base or the Moksha trikona with > 4th house as its base. > They are linked with the Artha or Kama trikonas only. > > rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Rishi, > > > > Without growth, there is no LIFE, no worldly reality! Upachaya > houses > > are about growth! > > > > 3, 6, 11 are the primary points of growth and 10th too. > > > > Growth is about those things that make us come alive, roll out of > our > > beds and fight the daily reality -- unless we are completely > > overpowered by depression (another thread -- somewhere!) > > > > Purushartha > > Enemies > > KARMA > > Earnings > > > > make most of us come alive and to sit up and GROW > > > > Upachayaa > > > > As long as Lagna is cooperating! > > > > RR > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Ranjanda, > > > The Human birth itself is a pilgrimage. In this voyage when only > > the > > > beginning ..lagna and the end..12th house is known there is a > > greedy > > > and selfish quest to understand the remaining houses, the route, > > the > > > comfort levels, the joneses or the neighbors, the envies, the > need > > to > > > acquire more, the list is unending. > > > Jyotisha began as a tool to understand nature, it got converted > > intoi > > > a tool to use nature according to our abilities even including > the > > > attempted manipulation of the Lagna and the 12th house. The > > halfbakws > > > postulates became sacrosanct axioms. > > > The simply defined upachaya route which explained the path > extended > > > to all houses.That Jyotisha said in a powerfully symbolic > > way...focus > > > on 3, 6, 10,11 houses was ignored, maya mahathagini ham jane! > > > Yet, I remain optimistic! > > > > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > > > > > > The modern teachers have their reasons, obviously and I presume > > > they > > > > do! And we are thankful that they are all here, as we live and > > > > breathe. > > > > > > > > > > > > All said and done, minor and major attacks beyond ... here and > > > > anywhere -- > > > > > > > > Each of us is on a lonely journey, even when amongst a group of > > > > pilgrims! > > > > > > > > This can be a pilgrimage only if we make it so! We have the 1 > in > > 4 > > > > freedom to complain about the food, the travel arrangements, > the > > > > accomodation -- but do we have the choice about what we are > > > > ultimately going to see, what we signed up for this pilgrimage > to > > > be? > > > > > > > > Bliss so far ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right - very few share their knowledge. Amongst > > > writers > > > > > of current century (or say late 90's) - Shri VK Choudhry, > Shri > > > > Sanjay > > > > > Rath and few more - have been quite vocal and participative. > > They > > > > > shared their conviction, without really pushing people to > > accept > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > If I recall, on another jyotish forum - one of the member > > shared > > > > shri > > > > > KN Rao's interaction with him; wherein Shri KN Rao explicitly > > > > refused > > > > > to share secrets lately, for the risk of getting them into > > wrong > > > > hands. > > > > > > > > > > This trend is emerging for many reasons including - jytoish > > being > > > > > perceived as quick mode to make money across the country, by > > > > > jyotishis. So- focus on research, astro data driven pattern > > > analysis > > > > > etc are fading. But this is more around internet jyotishis > and > > big > > > > > cities based jyotishis. Old ones, in interiors of the > country - > > > are > > > > > quite open to discuss many secrets of astrology (more of > > > parampara) > > > > > and explain the clues. Unfortunately, they are not yet > exposed > > to > > > > > published / cyber media. > > > > > > > > > > In my constrained journey of jyotish, I found those downtown > > > > > astrologers, as best source of learning. and you will be > > > surprised > > > > to > > > > > know, that they are vary rationalized for remedial pursuits > (no > > > > quick > > > > > fix). May be, for the space they live in or their clientsa > live > > > in - > > > > > life is bit slow paced as yet. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, I have found most jyotish writers rather > > > > hesitant to > > > > > > share their experiences. Except BV Raman ji! > > > > > > > > > > > > Even KN Raoji, beautiful soul that he is, kind of pulls > back! > > > > Maybe > > > > > > it is the Indian teacher in him that makes us work harder > and > > > > > > actually work out the charts that he boldly challenges us > in > > > his > > > > > > books to examine. And when we examine ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Much of jyotish as revealed has been somewhat of a mumbo- > > jumbo > > > > mostly > > > > > > because of poor expression (even the hindi translations! No > > > > excuse > > > > > > there of trying to explain in a foreign language, right?) > but > > > > also > > > > > > because maybe it is some kind of divine plan! > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally would like to believe that all of them KNOW, > > even > > > if > > > > > > they claim that the other guy does not, openly or in > private > > > > emails! > > > > > > > > > > > > So what do we do, stuck in the desert of sands with > pyramids > > > and > > > > > > sphinxes of older realities, older magnificient cultures in > > our > > > > > > direct view all around do? > > > > > > > > > > > > We keep walking, for staying put will kill us for sure and > > > would > > > > not > > > > > > get us closer to the oasis! In the meantime, we must make > > sure > > > > that > > > > > > even if we die, the next generation is produced and made to > > > keep > > > > > > going! > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind of like that walt disney movie -- Land Before Time! > > About > > > > > > dinosaurs some would say, but really about LIFE! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes - I too found Shri RG Rao's books, bit difficult to > > > decrypt. > > > > > > > Recently, I was just reading "Transit of Planets On Thy > > Birth > > > > > > Chart" - > > > > > > > by RG Rao and event that too, bit complex. The > complexities > > > > grow, as > > > > > > > he illustrates the charts, without providing birth data. > > But > > > his > > > > > > > analysis are good pointers for interpretations (that is > > how, > > > I > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > it). Compared to this, Late Santhanam's notes in > > Devakeralam > > > is > > > > > > > relatively easier to read and decrypt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to palm - there must be certain corelation with > > > native's > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > Sometime back, I met an astrologer - who could make the > > chart > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > thumb impression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will keep your pointers (on Jupiter (Rx) and rahu) for > > > simian > > > > > > line, > > > > > > > in mind. Yes, origin of heart line from jupiter (perhaps > for > > > > > > > exaltation of jupiter in 4th house) has its significance > in > > > the > > > > > > palm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going back to R.G. Rao, the pithy, difficult to > > understand > > > > text > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > writer (like most Indian writers from the 30-80s, > except > > a > > > > few, > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > Sri Raman, Sri Krishnamurti, Sri P.S. Sastry, Sri > > > Santhanam, > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > Khareghat, Sri Gopal Krishna Rao, 'Meena', Sri > Shrimali, > > > Sri > > > > > > Khot, > > > > > > > > and Mr. K.N. Rao who was just making his Era-changing > > > > presence > > > > > > known! > > > > > > > > And a few others after him, but after 80s!!), which is > > not > > > > > > surprising > > > > > > > > (the characteristic impatient restlessness of > > contemporary > > > > > > readers of > > > > > > > > jyotish texts), this Rao I am talking about attributed > > the > > > > heart > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > to jupiter and head line to mars. He gave some > indicators > > > for > > > > > > > > retrogression of these planets in palms and association > > > with > > > > rahu > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Palm is a full mystery in its own but if connected to > ONE > > > AND > > > > > > ONLY > > > > > > > > TRUTH, both palmistry and astrology must have a common > > > > ground, a > > > > > > > > common language or root! It is my naive belief, always > > has > > > > been. > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > or two charts or palms may not corroborate just as we > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > > > endlessly in the astro-scene. Someone posts an > > observation > > > > and > > > > > > > > immediately afterwards someone posts an exception. I > > often > > > > smile > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > that happens, NOT because the original poster was > proved > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > because oftentimes I am too, whether I posted or merely > > > > observed > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same or not, but because it fuels hope into my core > > belief - > > > - > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > even if 75% predictions come true and indicate some > > > > > > incontrovertible > > > > > > > > and unavoidable karma and DESTINY, these exceptions > > remind > > > us > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there is hope, there is freedom of choice. To the tune > of > > > > 25%! > > > > > > HEY, 1 > > > > > > > > in 4 is not bad odds! Lord is merciful, for if HE is > > indeed > > > > as as > > > > > > > > powerful and OMNIPOTENT as depicted in nearly all > > > religions -- > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > he is a KIND parent. For HE/SHE allows us a 1 in 4 > chance > > > to > > > > win. > > > > > > > > Just like the parent who fights all fiercely against us > > but > > > > we > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > know that we would not win if HE did not let us. Almost > > > like > > > > some > > > > > > > > very kind and nurturing big brothers or sisters, some > of > > us > > > > may > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been fortunate to have experienced as we were growing > up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways -- the quest continues -- at least for some of > us > > > who > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > called it 'CAMP-TIME' yet, hopefully! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > Gang" > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I observed these, in my early days of vedic astrology > > > > (where as > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > started studying palmistry much earlier). Yes, > > recalling > > > > few > > > > > > > > charts - > > > > > > > > > Mars / moon were more into 4/7/10 aspect (in few > cases > > > moon > > > > was > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > aspecting mars), or mars being in cancer as well. I > am > > > > sure, > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > must be other influences as well (like mercury / > > jupiter > > > > etc) on > > > > > > > > > either of the planets; but mars aspect upon moon was > > > > prominent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullabhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The simian line certainly indicates an extreme > > > > personality - > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > word that springs to mind is intensity. Either the > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > process > > > > > > > > > > is dominated by emotions or the emotions are > > dominated > > > by > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > rational faculty of the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It interesting that you attribute the planetary > > > > influences to > > > > > > > > > > Moon/Mars. Moon definitely represents emotions and > > > their > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > (4th > > > > > > > > > > house/heart) but also the mind. So in a sense an > > > > affliction > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Moon, as you mention, should be present. Mars would > > > > represent > > > > > > > > > > logic/coldness and its debilitation in the > emotional > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > representing the heart (Cancer) further adds weight > > to > > > it > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > anti-thesis of the issues of the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your observations has Mars been close to the 4th > > > > > > house/Cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla > > > Gang" > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes a native using either heart or head (on > > > > extreme > > > > > > > > extent) > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > his matters. So many a times - people may find > > him > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic / ruthless / cold or highly > emotional > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While studying palmistry long back, I observed > this > > > > > > behaviour > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > many people. You may also observe interesting > trend > > > for > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > natives. > > > > > > > > > > > If you see their parents / grand parents' chart - > > > then > > > > you > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > observe the similar line (heart line dropping > into > > > head > > > > > > line, > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > head line being straight across the palm). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view / observation - mutual relation of > > mars / > > > > moon > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > > > > in such natives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv1321" > > > > > > > > <maniv1321@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often read of palmists that can draw an > > > > accurate > > > > > > > > kundali > > > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > > > > by reading the palm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, I was interested to learn > about > > > what > > > > > > > > > > indications in > > > > > > > > > > > > the birth cart can be linked to a simian line > > > > (joining of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > head and > > > > > > > > > > > > heart line). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 And those teenage souls are perfectly honest! These are the bedrocks of life.So they should rock on for life to keep growing. But they are also the mirror images of the other two trikonas. Jyotisha consumers want results to rock, dont they? And the jyotishis piously lead them to nonrocking remedies ..why not remedies which originate from the 3,6,10,11 houses itself. Actually just pondering aloud, regards rishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Given that most remedy-seekers are looking for growth in some plane, you do have a point! , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > And those teenage souls are perfectly honest! > These are the bedrocks of life.So they should rock on for life to > keep growing. But they are also the mirror images of the other two > trikonas. > Jyotisha consumers want results to rock, dont they? > And the jyotishis piously lead them to nonrocking remedies ..why not > remedies which originate from the 3,6,10,11 houses itself. > Actually just pondering aloud, > regards > > rishi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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