Guest guest Posted June 8, 2002 Report Share Posted June 8, 2002 Dear Margarita, As per this chart, Jupiter main period does not satisfy the conditions. If you have some more details about the person, the accuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord of house D and with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. but Jupiter main period makes some confusion. the date of Demise is also not satisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury is weak. If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. then every thing gets satisfied. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > I cannot place the event in this chart because the mainlord > seems unable to give results for the 8th house > Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IA USA - > zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6 > He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001. > Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon 26°58 > Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/ > JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55 > Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus. > Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in > Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in > Aries/ Venus in Taurus. > This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the > chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn. > He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem to work > for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of D and > E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring the result > as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and 12th > houses. > Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the > 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the 12th > also > Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is > situated. These two planets have a close relationship. > At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio > The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 was at > 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At > the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same > degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points. > I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the event in > his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter. > Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6 > points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn > mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit far fetched. > I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moon as > " timing tool " > If you have time, could you have a look at this chart > please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see. > Best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpio ascendent. This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers (Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the West with his book " digital astrology " . His TOB comes from himself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during the night. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....?? He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 to give him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position would change dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn and Saturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other events would work with this asc. I didn't know the person personally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I know he was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know he had no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th and aspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I think that between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. Was I wrong there ???? Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupiter couldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery. Best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM Re: death chart Dear Margarita, As per this chart, Jupiter main period does not satisfy the conditions. If you have some more details about the person, the accuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord of house D and with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. but Jupiter main period makes some confusion. the date of Demise is also not satisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury is weak. If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. then every thing gets satisfied. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > I cannot place the event in this chart because the mainlord > seems unable to give results for the 8th house > Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IA USA - > zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6 > He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001. > Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon 26°58 > Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/ > JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55 > Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus. > Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in > Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in > Aries/ Venus in Taurus. > This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the > chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn. > He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem to work > for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of D and > E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring the result > as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and 12th > houses. > Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the > 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the 12th > also > Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is > situated. These two planets have a close relationship. > At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio > The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 was at > 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At > the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same > degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points. > I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the event in > his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter. > Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6 > points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn > mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit far fetched. > I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moon as > " timing tool " > If you have time, could you have a look at this chart > please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see. > Best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Dear Margarita, Krushna and group - Rick was a very dear friend of mine and a very accurate astrologer when it came to rectifications in his own special "system" of astrology which included the ashtakavarga, but in a different format than this one. No one knows for sure the exact moment he passed away as there were no witnesses to his passing. When I asked his wife, Paula about this, all she could tell me was that she had gone to bed around 10pm that night and he was still alive, but in a coma, since that Friday night. She again woke up at 2:30 am and went in to check up on him. He had already passed by then. So his time of death could reasonably have been anywhere from 10pm - 2:30 am between March 31st and April 1st. I felt his presence in my room as though he had come to say goodbye just before his death. I noted the time as 11:55 and later on got the distinct feeling that he had passed before midnight on the 31st, not afterwards, on the 1st, so who knows for sure?. . .Please go to this site for more info. http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/houck.html Thanks - Donna - dmlettens Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:58 AM RE: Re: death chart Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpioascendent.This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers(Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the Westwith his book "digital astrology". His TOB comes fromhimself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during thenight. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....??He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 togive him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position wouldchange dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn andSaturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other eventswould work with this asc. I didn't know the personpersonally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I knowhe was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know hehad no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th andaspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I thinkthat between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. WasI wrong there ????Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupitercouldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery.Best regardsMargaritakrushanain [krushanain]Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: Re: death chartDear Margarita, As per this chart, Jupiter main period does notsatisfy theconditions. If you have some more details about the person,theaccuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord ofhouse Dand with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. butJupitermain period makes some confusion. the date of Demise isalso notsatisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury isweak. If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. theneverything gets satisfied.krushna, "dmlettens"<dmlettens@s...>wrote:> Respected Krushna,> I cannot place the event in this chart because themainlord> seems unable to give results for the 8th house> Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IAUSA -> zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6> He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001.> Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon26°58> Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/> JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55> Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus.> Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in> Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in> Aries/ Venus in Taurus.> This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the> chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn.> He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem towork> for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of Dand> E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring theresult> as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and12th> houses.> Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the> 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the12th> also> Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is> situated. These two planets have a close relationship.> At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio> The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 wasat> 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At> the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same> degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points.> I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the eventin> his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter.> Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6> points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn> mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit farfetched.> I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moonas> "timing tool"> If you have time, could you have a look at this chart> please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see.> Best regards> Margarita>> ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system(http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date:> 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Thank you Donna for this mail. I know Rick used other methods so I thought his chart would be accurate but apparently something doesn’t work. Perhaps the exception that confirms the rules ???? Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- Donna Quinn [DQuinn12] Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:02 PM To: Re: Re: death chart Dear Margarita, Krushna and group - Rick was a very dear friend of mine and a very accurate astrologer when it came to rectifications in his own special " system " of astrology which included the ashtakavarga, but in a different format than this one. No one knows for sure the exact moment he passed away as there were no witnesses to his passing. When I asked his wife, Paula about this, all she could tell me was that she had gone to bed around 10pm that night and he was still alive, but in a coma, since that Friday night. She again woke up at 2:30 am and went in to check up on him. He had already passed by then. So his time of death could reasonably have been anywhere from 10pm - 2:30 am between March 31st and April 1st. I felt his presence in my room as though he had come to say goodbye just before his death. I noted the time as 11:55 and later on got the distinct feeling that he had passed before midnight on the 31st, not afterwards, on the 1st, so who knows for sure?. . .Please go to this site for more info. http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/houck.html Thanks - Donna ----- Original Message ----- dmlettens Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:58 AM RE: Re: death chart Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpio ascendent. This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers (Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the West with his book " digital astrology " . His TOB comes from himself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during the night. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....?? He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 to give him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position would change dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn and Saturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other events would work with this asc. I didn't know the person personally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I know he was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know he had no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th and aspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I think that between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. Was I wrong there ???? Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupiter couldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery. Best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM Re: death chart Dear Margarita, As per this chart, Jupiter main period does not satisfy the conditions. If you have some more details about the person, the accuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord of house D and with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. but Jupiter main period makes some confusion. the date of Demise is also not satisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury is weak. If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. then every thing gets satisfied. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > I cannot place the event in this chart because the mainlord > seems unable to give results for the 8th house > Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IA USA - > zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6 > He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001. > Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon 26°58 > Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/ > JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55 > Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus. > Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in > Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in > Aries/ Venus in Taurus. > This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the > chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn. > He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem to work > for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of D and > E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring the result > as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and 12th > houses. > Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the > 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the 12th > also > Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is > situated. These two planets have a close relationship. > At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio > The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 was at > 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At > the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same > degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points. > I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the event in > his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter. > Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6 > points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn > mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit far fetched. > I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moon as > " timing tool " > If you have time, could you have a look at this chart > please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see. > Best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Dear Margarita - Unless we're missing something here, I would think that we'd have to consider this chart ot be the exception to the rule. I know for sure that Rick was not a Scorpio ascendant. And he was too much of a perfectionist when it came to being exactly to the degree with aspects and recitifcations to be off by that much on his own chart. I DO have the date of the diagnosis of his tumor however. perhaps this might shed some more light on the situation. April 16, 1999 Gaithersburg, Maryland Time Zone 5:00 DST: 1 77W12 39N08 Donna Donna - dmlettens Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:36 AM RE: Re: death chart Thank you Donna for this mail. I know Rick used other methods so I thought his chart would be accurate but apparently something doesn’t work. Perhaps the exception that confirms the rules ???? Best regards Margarita Donna Quinn [DQuinn12]Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Re: death chart Dear Margarita, Krushna and group - Rick was a very dear friend of mine and a very accurate astrologer when it came to rectifications in his own special "system" of astrology which included the ashtakavarga, but in a different format than this one. No one knows for sure the exact moment he passed away as there were no witnesses to his passing. When I asked his wife, Paula about this, all she could tell me was that she had gone to bed around 10pm that night and he was still alive, but in a coma, since that Friday night. She again woke up at 2:30 am and went in to check up on him. He had already passed by then. So his time of death could reasonably have been anywhere from 10pm - 2:30 am between March 31st and April 1st. I felt his presence in my room as though he had come to say goodbye just before his death. I noted the time as 11:55 and later on got the distinct feeling that he had passed before midnight on the 31st, not afterwards, on the 1st, so who knows for sure?. . .Please go to this site for more info. http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/houck.html Thanks - Donna - dmlettens Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:58 AM RE: Re: death chart Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpioascendent.This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers(Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the Westwith his book "digital astrology". His TOB comes fromhimself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during thenight. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....??He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 togive him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position wouldchange dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn andSaturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other eventswould work with this asc. I didn't know the personpersonally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I knowhe was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know hehad no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th andaspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I thinkthat between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. WasI wrong there ????Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupitercouldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery.Best regardsMargaritakrushanain [krushanain]Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: Re: death chartDear Margarita, As per this chart, Jupiter main period does notsatisfy theconditions. If you have some more details about the person,theaccuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord ofhouse Dand with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. butJupitermain period makes some confusion. the date of Demise isalso notsatisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury isweak. If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. theneverything gets satisfied.krushna, "dmlettens"<dmlettens@s...>wrote:> Respected Krushna,> I cannot place the event in this chart because themainlord> seems unable to give results for the 8th house> Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IAUSA -> zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6> He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001.> Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon26°58> Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/> JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55> Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus.> Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in> Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in> Aries/ Venus in Taurus.> This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the> chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn.> He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem towork> for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of Dand> E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring theresult> as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and12th> houses.> Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the> 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the12th> also> Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is> situated. These two planets have a close relationship.> At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio> The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 wasat> 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At> the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same> degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points.> I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the eventin> his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter.> Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6> points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn> mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit farfetched.> I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moonas> "timing tool"> If you have time, could you have a look at this chart> please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see.> Best regards> Margarita>> ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system(http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date:> 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Thank you Donna for giving this date of the diagnosis. I will look into that but I don’t know if I will be able to shed some more light. Margarita -----Original Message----- Donna Quinn [DQuinn12] Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:03 PM To: Re: Re: death chart Dear Margarita - Unless we're missing something here, I would think that we'd have to consider this chart ot be the exception to the rule. I know for sure that Rick was not a Scorpio ascendant. And he was too much of a perfectionist when it came to being exactly to the degree with aspects and recitifcations to be off by that much on his own chart. I DO have the date of the diagnosis of his tumor however. perhaps this might shed some more light on the situation. April 16, 1999 Gaithersburg, Maryland Time Zone 5:00 DST: 1 77W12 39N08 Donna Donna ----- Original Message ----- dmlettens Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:36 AM RE: Re: death chart Thank you Donna for this mail. I know Rick used other methods so I thought his chart would be accurate but apparently something doesn’t work. Perhaps the exception that confirms the rules ???? Best regards Margarita Donna Quinn [DQuinn12] Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:02 PM Re: Re: death chart Dear Margarita, Krushna and group - Rick was a very dear friend of mine and a very accurate astrologer when it came to rectifications in his own special " system " of astrology which included the ashtakavarga, but in a different format than this one. No one knows for sure the exact moment he passed away as there were no witnesses to his passing. When I asked his wife, Paula about this, all she could tell me was that she had gone to bed around 10pm that night and he was still alive, but in a coma, since that Friday night. She again woke up at 2:30 am and went in to check up on him. He had already passed by then. So his time of death could reasonably have been anywhere from 10pm - 2:30 am between March 31st and April 1st. I felt his presence in my room as though he had come to say goodbye just before his death. I noted the time as 11:55 and later on got the distinct feeling that he had passed before midnight on the 31st, not afterwards, on the 1st, so who knows for sure?. . .Please go to this site for more info. http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/houck.html Thanks - Donna ----- Original Message ----- dmlettens Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:58 AM RE: Re: death chart Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpio ascendent. This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers (Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the West with his book " digital astrology " . His TOB comes from himself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during the night. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....?? He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 to give him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position would change dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn and Saturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other events would work with this asc. I didn't know the person personally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I know he was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know he had no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th and aspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I think that between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. Was I wrong there ???? Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupiter couldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery. Best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM Re: death chart Dear Margarita, As per this chart, Jupiter main period does not satisfy the conditions. If you have some more details about the person, the accuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord of house D and with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. but Jupiter main period makes some confusion. the date of Demise is also not satisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury is weak. If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. then every thing gets satisfied. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > I cannot place the event in this chart because the mainlord > seems unable to give results for the 8th house > Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IA USA - > zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6 > He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001. > Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon 26°58 > Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/ > JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55 > Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus. > Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in > Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in > Aries/ Venus in Taurus. > This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the > chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn. > He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem to work > for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of D and > E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring the result > as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and 12th > houses. > Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the > 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the 12th > also > Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is > situated. These two planets have a close relationship. > At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio > The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 was at > 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At > the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same > degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points. > I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the event in > his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter. > Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6 > points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn > mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit far fetched. > I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moon as > " timing tool " > If you have time, could you have a look at this chart > please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see. > Best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Donna, I have not had a chance to look at this chart, but could the answer lie in the Divisional Charts. The basic strength of a planet could be seen using the Divisional charts so see if it can bring death. If this is the case or might be the case then we all would have something else to also consider which studying charts. Just my 2 cents. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Thank you Donna for giving this date of the diagnosis. I will look into that > but I don't know if I will be able to shed some more light. > Margarita > > > Donna Quinn [DQuinn12@o...] > Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:03 PM > > Re: Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita - > > Unless we're missing something here, I would think that we'd have to > consider this chart ot be the exception to the rule. I know for sure that > Rick was not a Scorpio ascendant. > And he was too much of a perfectionist when it came to being exactly to the > degree with aspects and recitifcations to be off by that much on his own > chart. > > I DO have the date of the diagnosis of his tumor however. perhaps this might > shed some more light on the situation. > > April 16, 1999 > Gaithersburg, Maryland > Time Zone 5:00 > DST: 1 > 77W12 > 39N08 > > Donna > Donna > - > dmlettens <dmlettens@s...> > > <> > Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:36 AM > RE: Re: death chart > > Thank you Donna for this mail. I know Rick used other methods so I thought > his chart would be accurate but apparently something doesn't work. Perhaps > the exception that confirms the rules ???? > Best regards > Margarita > > Donna Quinn [DQuinn12@o...] > Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:02 PM > > <> > Re: Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita, Krushna and group - > > Rick was a very dear friend of mine and a very accurate astrologer when it > came to rectifications in his own special " system " of astrology which > included the ashtakavarga, but in a different format than this one. > > No one knows for sure the exact moment he passed away as there were no > witnesses to his passing. When I asked his wife, Paula about this, all she > could tell me was that she had gone to bed around 10pm that night and he was > still alive, but in a coma, since that Friday night. She again woke up at > 2:30 am and went in to check up on him. He had already passed by then. So > his time of death could reasonably have been anywhere from 10pm - 2:30 am > between March 31st and April 1st. I felt his presence in my room as though > he had come to say goodbye just before his death. I noted the time as 11:55 > and later on got the distinct feeling that he had passed before midnight on > the 31st, not afterwards, on the 1st, so who knows for sure?. . .Please go > to this site for more info. > > http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/houck.html > > > Thanks - > Donna > > - > dmlettens <dmlettens@s...> > > > <> > Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:58 AM > RE: Re: death chart > > Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpio > ascendent. > This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers > (Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the West > with his book " digital astrology " . His TOB comes from > himself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during the > night. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....?? > He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 to > give him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position would > change dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn and > Saturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other events > would work with this asc. I didn't know the person > personally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I know > he was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know he > had no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th and > aspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I think > that between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. Was > I wrong there ???? > Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupiter > couldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery. > Best regards > Margarita > > krushanain [krushanain] > Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM > > Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita, > As per this chart, Jupiter main period does not > satisfy the > conditions. If you have some more details about the person, > the > accuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. > Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord of > house D > and with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. but > Jupiter > main period makes some confusion. the date of Demise is > also not > satisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury is > weak. > If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. then > every > thing gets satisfied. > krushna > > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Respected Krushna, > > I cannot place the event in this chart because the > mainlord > > seems unable to give results for the 8th house > > Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IA > USA - > > zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6 > > He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001. > > Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon > 26°58 > > Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/ > > JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55 > > Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus. > > Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in > > Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in > > Aries/ Venus in Taurus. > > This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the > > chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn. > > He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem to > work > > for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of D > and > > E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring the > result > > as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and > 12th > > houses. > > Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the > > 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the > 12th > > also > > Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is > > situated. These two planets have a close relationship. > > At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio > > The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 was > at > > 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At > > the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same > > degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points. > > I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the event > in > > his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter. > > Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6 > > points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn > > mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit far > fetched. > > I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moon > as > > " timing tool " > > If you have time, could you have a look at this chart > > please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > ( http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > > 5/24/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hello Ash, I han't thought of that. It's a good idea and I'm going to do that Thanks for the suggestion Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:30 PM Re: death chart Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Donna, I have not had a chance to look at this chart, but could the answer lie in the Divisional Charts. The basic strength of a planet could be seen using the Divisional charts so see if it can bring death. If this is the case or might be the case then we all would have something else to also consider which studying charts. Just my 2 cents. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Thank you Donna for giving this date of the diagnosis. I will look into that > but I don't know if I will be able to shed some more light. > Margarita > > > Donna Quinn [DQuinn12@o...] > Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:03 PM > > Re: Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita - > > Unless we're missing something here, I would think that we'd have to > consider this chart ot be the exception to the rule. I know for sure that > Rick was not a Scorpio ascendant. > And he was too much of a perfectionist when it came to being exactly to the > degree with aspects and recitifcations to be off by that much on his own > chart. > > I DO have the date of the diagnosis of his tumor however. perhaps this might > shed some more light on the situation. > > April 16, 1999 > Gaithersburg, Maryland > Time Zone 5:00 > DST: 1 > 77W12 > 39N08 > > Donna > Donna > - > dmlettens <dmlettens@s...> > > <> > Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:36 AM > RE: Re: death chart > > Thank you Donna for this mail. I know Rick used other methods so I thought > his chart would be accurate but apparently something doesn't work. Perhaps > the exception that confirms the rules ???? > Best regards > Margarita > > Donna Quinn [DQuinn12@o...] > Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:02 PM > > <> > Re: Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita, Krushna and group - > > Rick was a very dear friend of mine and a very accurate astrologer when it > came to rectifications in his own special " system " of astrology which > included the ashtakavarga, but in a different format than this one. > > No one knows for sure the exact moment he passed away as there were no > witnesses to his passing. When I asked his wife, Paula about this, all she > could tell me was that she had gone to bed around 10pm that night and he was > still alive, but in a coma, since that Friday night. She again woke up at > 2:30 am and went in to check up on him. He had already passed by then. So > his time of death could reasonably have been anywhere from 10pm - 2:30 am > between March 31st and April 1st. I felt his presence in my room as though > he had come to say goodbye just before his death. I noted the time as 11:55 > and later on got the distinct feeling that he had passed before midnight on > the 31st, not afterwards, on the 1st, so who knows for sure?. . .Please go > to this site for more info. > > http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/houck.html > > > Thanks - > Donna > > - > dmlettens <dmlettens@s...> > > > <> > Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:58 AM > RE: Re: death chart > > Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpio > ascendent. > This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers > (Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the West > with his book " digital astrology " . His TOB comes from > himself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during the > night. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....?? > He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 to > give him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position would > change dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn and > Saturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other events > would work with this asc. I didn't know the person > personally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I know > he was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know he > had no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th and > aspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I think > that between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. Was > I wrong there ???? > Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupiter > couldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery. > Best regards > Margarita > > krushanain [krushanain] > Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM > > Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita, > As per this chart, Jupiter main period does not > satisfy the > conditions. If you have some more details about the person, > the > accuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. > Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord of > house D > and with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. but > Jupiter > main period makes some confusion. the date of Demise is > also not > satisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury is > weak. > If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. then > every > thing gets satisfied. > krushna > > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Respected Krushna, > > I cannot place the event in this chart because the > mainlord > > seems unable to give results for the 8th house > > Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IA > USA - > > zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6 > > He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001. > > Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon > 26°58 > > Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/ > > JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55 > > Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus. > > Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in > > Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in > > Aries/ Venus in Taurus. > > This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the > > chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn. > > He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem to > work > > for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of D > and > > E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring the > result > > as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and > 12th > > houses. > > Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the > > 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the > 12th > > also > > Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is > > situated. These two planets have a close relationship. > > At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio > > The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 was > at > > 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At > > the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same > > degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points. > > I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the event > in > > his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter. > > Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6 > > points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn > > mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit far > fetched. > > I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moon > as > > " timing tool " > > If you have time, could you have a look at this chart > > please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > ( http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > > 5/24/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Dear Margarita, Th D11 (ekadasamsas) works nicely when it is applied to the death. Do not waste your time with the D8. It is a recent creation which doesn't work in practice. I have studied this point for a long time. Be careful about the D11. The Raman and Choudhry tables are wrong. If you need the right (and traditional) table, I may send it to you through an attached file. This a text I wrote about this point. It is in French. With an automatic translator, you will easily grasp the meaning. 3. Les ekadasamsas (D11) Parmi les subdivisions, le D1 (le thème radical) est déterminant car il décrit l'existence sur le plan physique. En matière de longévité, le D1 demeure le principal thème à examiner. Les autres DC ne sont qu'accessoires. Le D11 renseigne sur les forces de destruction. Le D30 exerce un rôle indirect en résumant à lui seul toute la nocivité du thème radical. Dans la recherche que j'ai menée pour rédiger ce document, le D11 s'est révélé très efficace. Le D11 est nommé ekadasamsa ou rudramsa. Parasara ne mentionne pas le D11 parmi les seize subdivisions importantes. La plus ancienne référence connue se trouve dans les Jaimini Sutras. Bien qu'il n'en décrive pas le mode de calcul exact, Jaimini évoqua les rudramsas à propos des Mandooka dasa (une technique particulière de périodes planétaires). Dans ce contexte, le D11 est utilisé pour déterminer la victoire ou l'échec dans les batailles et renseigner sur la mort. Le D11 est construit comme les autres subdivisions. Chaque signe est divisé en onze parties égales. Les onze parties du Bélier vont du Bélier au Verseau. Les onze parties du Taureau vont des Poissons au Capricorne. Les onze parties des Gémeaux vont du Verseau au Sagittaire, etc. Finalement, les onze parties des Poissons vont du Taureau aux Poissons. Selon la mythologie hindoue, le Seigneur Shiva a onze formes. Dans le ternaire de l'hindouisme : * Brahma est celui qui crée les univers, * Vishnu est celui qui maintient les univers (il a dix formes ; en astrologie, le D10 régit les moyens de subsistance), * Shiva est le destructeur. Aussi, rechercher la mort et la destruction dans le D11 se justifie intuitivement dans ce contexte. Bien qu'il soit peu utilisé, le D11 peut décrire le type de mort. La planète occupant la maison I du D11, la planète conjointe au premier significateur de la mort peuvent toutes deux indiquer la cause de la mort. Le tableau indiquant le type de mort suscité par les neuf planètes propose quelques suggestions d'interprétation. Rappelons que le premier significateur de la mort est le maître de la maison I du D11 si elle contient un mulatrikona. Si elle ne contient pas un mulatrikona, conserver le premier significateur de la mort dans le D1. Best regards Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " dmlettens " <dmlettens Monday, June 10, 2002 8:36 AM RE: Re: death chart Hello Ash, I han't thought of that. It's a good idea and I'm going to do that Thanks for the suggestion Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:30 PM Re: death chart Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Donna, I have not had a chance to look at this chart, but could the answer lie in the Divisional Charts. The basic strength of a planet could be seen using the Divisional charts so see if it can bring death. If this is the case or might be the case then we all would have something else to also consider which studying charts. Just my 2 cents. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Thank you Donna for giving this date of the diagnosis. I will look into that > but I don't know if I will be able to shed some more light. > Margarita > > > Donna Quinn [DQuinn12@o...] > Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:03 PM > > Re: Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita - > > Unless we're missing something here, I would think that we'd have to > consider this chart ot be the exception to the rule. I know for sure that > Rick was not a Scorpio ascendant. > And he was too much of a perfectionist when it came to being exactly to the > degree with aspects and recitifcations to be off by that much on his own > chart. > > I DO have the date of the diagnosis of his tumor however. perhaps this might > shed some more light on the situation. > > April 16, 1999 > Gaithersburg, Maryland > Time Zone 5:00 > DST: 1 > 77W12 > 39N08 > > Donna > Donna > - > dmlettens <dmlettens@s...> > > <> > Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:36 AM > RE: Re: death chart > > Thank you Donna for this mail. I know Rick used other methods so I thought > his chart would be accurate but apparently something doesn't work. Perhaps > the exception that confirms the rules ???? > Best regards > Margarita > > Donna Quinn [DQuinn12@o...] > Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:02 PM > > <> > Re: Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita, Krushna and group - > > Rick was a very dear friend of mine and a very accurate astrologer when it > came to rectifications in his own special " system " of astrology which > included the ashtakavarga, but in a different format than this one. > > No one knows for sure the exact moment he passed away as there were no > witnesses to his passing. When I asked his wife, Paula about this, all she > could tell me was that she had gone to bed around 10pm that night and he was > still alive, but in a coma, since that Friday night. She again woke up at > 2:30 am and went in to check up on him. He had already passed by then. So > his time of death could reasonably have been anywhere from 10pm - 2:30 am > between March 31st and April 1st. I felt his presence in my room as though > he had come to say goodbye just before his death. I noted the time as 11:55 > and later on got the distinct feeling that he had passed before midnight on > the 31st, not afterwards, on the 1st, so who knows for sure?. . .Please go > to this site for more info. > > http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/houck.html > > > Thanks - > Donna > > - > dmlettens <dmlettens@s...> > > > <> > Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:58 AM > RE: Re: death chart > > Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpio > ascendent. > This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers > (Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the West > with his book " digital astrology " . His TOB comes from > himself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during the > night. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....?? > He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 to > give him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position would > change dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn and > Saturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other events > would work with this asc. I didn't know the person > personally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I know > he was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know he > had no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th and > aspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I think > that between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. Was > I wrong there ???? > Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupiter > couldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery. > Best regards > Margarita > > krushanain [krushanain] > Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM > > Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita, > As per this chart, Jupiter main period does not > satisfy the > conditions. If you have some more details about the person, > the > accuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. > Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord of > house D > and with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. but > Jupiter > main period makes some confusion. the date of Demise is > also not > satisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury is > weak. > If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. then > every > thing gets satisfied. > krushna > > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Respected Krushna, > > I cannot place the event in this chart because the > mainlord > > seems unable to give results for the 8th house > > Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IA > USA - > > zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6 > > He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001. > > Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon > 26°58 > > Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/ > > JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55 > > Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus. > > Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in > > Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in > > Aries/ Venus in Taurus. > > This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the > > chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn. > > He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem to > work > > for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of D > and > > E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring the > result > > as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and > 12th > > houses. > > Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the > > 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the > 12th > > also > > Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is > > situated. These two planets have a close relationship. > > At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio > > The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 was > at > > 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At > > the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same > > degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points. > > I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the event > in > > his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter. > > Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6 > > points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn > > mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit far > fetched. > > I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moon > as > > " timing tool " > > If you have time, could you have a look at this chart > > please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > ( http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > > 5/24/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Thank you Denis for this mail. Did you check the death of your father with it and what results did this give. Your father's death worked right with the AV system. I could try it out for Richard Houck's chart. I don't' know if I have the right calculation in my programs so I will be happy to receive the file at least I can check out things. If I have some questions I will ask Thanks and best regards Margarita DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Monday, June 10, 2002 2:55 PM Re: Re: death chart Dear Margarita, Th D11 (ekadasamsas) works nicely when it is applied to the death. Do not waste your time with the D8. It is a recent creation which doesn't work in practice. I have studied this point for a long time. Be careful about the D11. The Raman and Choudhry tables are wrong. If you need the right (and traditional) table, I may send it to you through an attached file. This a text I wrote about this point. It is in French. With an automatic translator, you will easily grasp the meaning. 3. Les ekadasamsas (D11) Parmi les subdivisions, le D1 (le thème radical) est déterminant car il décrit l'existence sur le plan physique. En matière de longévité, le D1 demeure le principal thème à examiner. Les autres DC ne sont qu'accessoires. Le D11 renseigne sur les forces de destruction. Le D30 exerce un rôle indirect en résumant à lui seul toute la nocivité du thème radical. Dans la recherche que j'ai menée pour rédiger ce document, le D11 s'est révélé très efficace. Le D11 est nommé ekadasamsa ou rudramsa. Parasara ne mentionne pas le D11 parmi les seize subdivisions importantes. La plus ancienne référence connue se trouve dans les Jaimini Sutras. Bien qu'il n'en décrive pas le mode de calcul exact, Jaimini évoqua les rudramsas à propos des Mandooka dasa (une technique particulière de périodes planétaires). Dans ce contexte, le D11 est utilisé pour déterminer la victoire ou l'échec dans les batailles et renseigner sur la mort. Le D11 est construit comme les autres subdivisions. Chaque signe est divisé en onze parties égales. Les onze parties du Bélier vont du Bélier au Verseau. Les onze parties du Taureau vont des Poissons au Capricorne. Les onze parties des Gémeaux vont du Verseau au Sagittaire, etc. Finalement, les onze parties des Poissons vont du Taureau aux Poissons. Selon la mythologie hindoue, le Seigneur Shiva a onze formes. Dans le ternaire de l'hindouisme : * Brahma est celui qui crée les univers, * Vishnu est celui qui maintient les univers (il a dix formes ; en astrologie, le D10 régit les moyens de subsistance), * Shiva est le destructeur. Aussi, rechercher la mort et la destruction dans le D11 se justifie intuitivement dans ce contexte. Bien qu'il soit peu utilisé, le D11 peut décrire le type de mort. La planète occupant la maison I du D11, la planète conjointe au premier significateur de la mort peuvent toutes deux indiquer la cause de la mort. Le tableau indiquant le type de mort suscité par les neuf planètes propose quelques suggestions d'interprétation. Rappelons que le premier significateur de la mort est le maître de la maison I du D11 si elle contient un mulatrikona. Si elle ne contient pas un mulatrikona, conserver le premier significateur de la mort dans le D1. Best regards Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " dmlettens " <dmlettens Monday, June 10, 2002 8:36 AM RE: Re: death chart Hello Ash, I han't thought of that. It's a good idea and I'm going to do that Thanks for the suggestion Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:30 PM Re: death chart Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Donna, I have not had a chance to look at this chart, but could the answer lie in the Divisional Charts. The basic strength of a planet could be seen using the Divisional charts so see if it can bring death. If this is the case or might be the case then we all would have something else to also consider which studying charts. Just my 2 cents. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Thank you Donna for giving this date of the diagnosis. I will look into that > but I don't know if I will be able to shed some more light. > Margarita > > > Donna Quinn [DQuinn12@o...] > Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:03 PM > > Re: Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita - > > Unless we're missing something here, I would think that we'd have to > consider this chart ot be the exception to the rule. I know for sure that > Rick was not a Scorpio ascendant. > And he was too much of a perfectionist when it came to being exactly to the > degree with aspects and recitifcations to be off by that much on his own > chart. > > I DO have the date of the diagnosis of his tumor however. perhaps this might > shed some more light on the situation. > > April 16, 1999 > Gaithersburg, Maryland > Time Zone 5:00 > DST: 1 > 77W12 > 39N08 > > Donna > Donna > - > dmlettens <dmlettens@s...> > > <> > Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:36 AM > RE: Re: death chart > > Thank you Donna for this mail. I know Rick used other methods so I thought > his chart would be accurate but apparently something doesn't work. Perhaps > the exception that confirms the rules ???? > Best regards > Margarita > > Donna Quinn [DQuinn12@o...] > Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:02 PM > > <> > Re: Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita, Krushna and group - > > Rick was a very dear friend of mine and a very accurate astrologer when it > came to rectifications in his own special " system " of astrology which > included the ashtakavarga, but in a different format than this one. > > No one knows for sure the exact moment he passed away as there were no > witnesses to his passing. When I asked his wife, Paula about this, all she > could tell me was that she had gone to bed around 10pm that night and he was > still alive, but in a coma, since that Friday night. She again woke up at > 2:30 am and went in to check up on him. He had already passed by then. So > his time of death could reasonably have been anywhere from 10pm - 2:30 am > between March 31st and April 1st. I felt his presence in my room as though > he had come to say goodbye just before his death. I noted the time as 11:55 > and later on got the distinct feeling that he had passed before midnight on > the 31st, not afterwards, on the 1st, so who knows for sure?. . .Please go > to this site for more info. > > http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/houck.html > > > Thanks - > Donna > > - > dmlettens <dmlettens@s...> > > > <> > Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:58 AM > RE: Re: death chart > > Thank you Krushna, Yes this makes sense a scorpio > ascendent. > This is the chart of one of the famous western astrologers > (Richard Houck) who introduced the AV system in the West > with his book " digital astrology " . His TOB comes from > himself and was given as 12:51 am so that's during the > night. If we just imagine this being a typing error.....?? > He surely was born that day but we rectify to 23h40 to > give him a 29° scorpio asc. Then Moon position would > change dramatically and he would die in Saturn/Saturn and > Saturn aspects house A. ???? I don't know how other events > would work with this asc. I didn't know the person > personally, had just an exchange of mails with him. I know > he was diagnosed with cancer in april 1999 . I also know he > had no children. With scorpio asc Mars in the 5th and > aspect of Jupiter could be responsible for that. I think > that between 1 and 2 of april Sun is in Jupiter/Saturn. Was > I wrong there ???? > Thank you for your comments. At least I know Jupiter > couldn't have done it; so this chart stays a mistery. > Best regards > Margarita > > krushanain [krushanain] > Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:51 PM > > Re: death chart > > Dear Margarita, > As per this chart, Jupiter main period does not > satisfy the > conditions. If you have some more details about the person, > the > accuracy of the birth time may be rectifyed. > Ofcource the chart indicates cancer. Mars is lord of > house D > and with 12 points, of cource this may be acceptable. but > Jupiter > main period makes some confusion. the date of Demise is > also not > satisfied, 1/2 April means Jupiter/ Mercury. and mercury is > weak. > If by any way this chart is with Scorpio asc. then > every > thing gets satisfied. > krushna > > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Respected Krushna, > > I cannot place the event in this chart because the > mainlord > > seems unable to give results for the 8th house > > Male born 13 april 1947 at 0h51 CST in Des Moines IA > USA - > > zone 6 - 93W36 - 41N36 - ayanamsa 22:6 > > He died of cancer in the night of 1st & 2nd april 2001. > > Rashi : asc. 14°36 sagittarius/ Sun 0°24 Aries/ Moon > 26°58 > > Sagittarius/ Mars 8°55 Pisces/ Mercury 3°59 Pisces/ > > JupiterR 4°6 Scorpio/ Venus 23°44 Aquarius/ Saturn 9°55 > > Cancer/ Rahu 12°37 Taurus. > > Navamsha : Asc+Mercury+Jupiter in Leo/ Mars+Saturn in > > Virgo/ Ketu in Libra/ Moon in Sagittarius/ Sun+Rahu in > > Aries/ Venus in Taurus. > > This person died of Cancer. This is clearly seen in the > > chart Jupiter aspecting Mars, Rahu and Saturn. > > He died in Jupiter/Mars. The main lord doesn't seem to > work > > for the 8th house. Mars and Jupiter are are lords of D > and > > E for the 8th. Mars has 12 points and can bring the > result > > as lord of C in D. In fact Mars works for 3th,8th and > 12th > > houses. > > Jupiter and Mars exchange signs and are FK and NK for the > > 1st and 2nd houses; they are lords of B and C for the > 12th > > also > > Mars has 0 points for the 12th, the house were Jupiter is > > situated. These two planets have a close relationship. > > At death Mars was transiting his 0 point house= scorpio > > The last eclipse before his death on 9 january 2001 was > at > > 25°47 Gemini = in fact right opposite his natal Moon. At > > the moment of death the Moon was very close to this same > > degree. This is also the house were Saturn has 0 points. > > I'm trying to understand how Jupiter can bring the event > in > > his dasha. I see Venus is in the 4th place from Jupiter. > > Jupiter has 5 points and Venus (in Capricorn=Saturn)has 6 > > points. Could then Jupiter come forward for the Saturn > > mainlord through Venus ?????I think it's a bit far > fetched. > > I nevertheless find it interesting to look at the Moon > as > > " timing tool " > > If you have time, could you have a look at this chart > > please and explain perhaps the obvious thing I don't see. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > ( http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > > 5/24/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tackleberry Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Respected Astrolgers Please kindly read this and do let me know where my most beloved father is Name : Menon Date of Death: 22 August 2006 Time of Death : 5:50 AM Place of Death : Chennai India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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