Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Srini, I don't want to engender confusion here, but I think Linda may have been thinking that one never says "svaha" at the end of any mantra unless one is at the fire. You correctly said the when offering various mantras at the fire one substitutes "svaha" for "namaha", and the opposite, "namaha" for "svaha" when not at the fire. But there are some mantras that, as far as I know, are intended to end in svaha, whether at the fire or not. I think there is a need to differentiate between mantras for the offering, and mantras for the ceremony or kushandika (the mantras for the puja that is introductory to the offering, ie., path or homa). One of my favorites, for instance is, "Om, aksha mala dhipataye susiddhim dehi dehi sarva, mantrartha sadhini sadhaya sadhaya sarva siddhim, parikalpaya parikalpaya me svaha." This is part of the prayer to (as I conceive it) the consciousness of shabda (the Power of subtle sound) to open all the mantras to me. "Svaha" is supposed to be part of this mantra. Jai Maa! Chris , "srini_sadhu" <srini_sadhu wrote: > > Dear Linda, > > Namaste! > > You can do Prana Pratishta to an external object, including a murti or deity; to the fire, or > to a pot. So, you can do it outside the fire. > > When we are chanting Sahasranama (1000 names) of a God or Goddess we say Namaha > after each name when we are not at the fire. We substitute swaha for Namaha when we are > at the fire. > > Example: > > Not at the fire: Om Shivayah Namaha > At the fire: Om Shivayah Swaha > > Sincerely > srini > > > > , nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear srini ~ I was amazed to wake up this morning and read your post to > > henny. This was the exact part of the Advanced Shiva Puja that I recited last > > night! (Of course, I am also reading, studying as I chant, so I have my yellow > > marker out and underline things I have questions about or makes notes in the > > back of the book. This is so wonderful to know. Even if, as Henny suggested, I > > just have to imagine the items, or use water for all the milk, gheee, honey, > > etc., and have a flower on a plate for my istha devata (I really liked that > > idea), I loved your description of how to do the Prana Pratishta. Can this be > > done even if one is not doing it at the fire? Also, I remember once before > > the question of the saying of the Swaha at the end of certain verses, that if > > you are not at the fire, you shouldn't say it. So I have been very careful, > > even though I can't help seeing it there, not to say it when I am reciting. Is > > this correct? Thank you so much for your help ~ Linda ... P.S. Guess my next > > purchase will be the vcd. : ) > > > > srini wrote: > > > > It would be best to learn about the Prana Pratishta when in the physical > > presence of > > someone who knows. > > > > I will share the little I know. > > > > 1. Swamiji demonstrates how to do Prana Pratishta to the Fire in the VCD > > "Sadhana at the > > Jyotir LIngams" > > > > 2. In Advanced Shiva Puja, Kalasa Stapana is from 98-111, Prana Pratishta is > > page 112 > > -113. > > > > For Kalasa Stapana, follow the instructions imagining the rice, pot, pouring > > of water etc. For Prana Pratishta, imagine a flower in front of you. Pick it > > up with your right hand. As you pick it up bring it up in front of you, then > > touch your forehead with it and then your heart, in a circular motion. You > > are chanting "Om Am Aam, hrim, etc" as you do this. After that, blow air out > > of your mouth into the object you are establishing life in. Repeat for the > > four verses. > > > > Later in Puja Naivedhya you can make the actual offerings to your Lingam. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Srini, About pranapratishta... Is it then, as you were given it by Swamiji, just for enlivening the objects of worship? I had thought that pranapratishta was also practiced, like the nyasas, to enliven the divine presence within the worshipper, too, and could be used without transfering to a murthi or the fire, say, when doing japa. Jai Maa! Chris , "srini_sadhu" <srini_sadhu wrote: > > Dear Linda, > > Namaste! > > You can do Prana Pratishta to an external object, including a murti or deity; to the fire, or > to a pot. So, you can do it outside the fire. > > When we are chanting Sahasranama (1000 names) of a God or Goddess we say Namaha > after each name when we are not at the fire. We substitute swaha for Namaha when we are > at the fire. > > Example: > > Not at the fire: Om Shivayah Namaha > At the fire: Om Shivayah Swaha > > Sincerely > srini > > > > , nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear srini ~ I was amazed to wake up this morning and read your post to > > henny. This was the exact part of the Advanced Shiva Puja that I recited last > > night! (Of course, I am also reading, studying as I chant, so I have my yellow > > marker out and underline things I have questions about or makes notes in the > > back of the book. This is so wonderful to know. Even if, as Henny suggested, I > > just have to imagine the items, or use water for all the milk, gheee, honey, > > etc., and have a flower on a plate for my istha devata (I really liked that > > idea), I loved your description of how to do the Prana Pratishta. Can this be > > done even if one is not doing it at the fire? Also, I remember once before > > the question of the saying of the Swaha at the end of certain verses, that if > > you are not at the fire, you shouldn't say it. So I have been very careful, > > even though I can't help seeing it there, not to say it when I am reciting. Is > > this correct? Thank you so much for your help ~ Linda ... P.S. Guess my next > > purchase will be the vcd. : ) > > > > srini wrote: > > > > It would be best to learn about the Prana Pratishta when in the physical > > presence of > > someone who knows. > > > > I will share the little I know. > > > > 1. Swamiji demonstrates how to do Prana Pratishta to the Fire in the VCD > > "Sadhana at the > > Jyotir LIngams" > > > > 2. In Advanced Shiva Puja, Kalasa Stapana is from 98-111, Prana Pratishta is > > page 112 > > -113. > > > > For Kalasa Stapana, follow the instructions imagining the rice, pot, pouring > > of water etc. For Prana Pratishta, imagine a flower in front of you. Pick it > > up with your right hand. As you pick it up bring it up in front of you, then > > touch your forehead with it and then your heart, in a circular motion. You > > are chanting "Om Am Aam, hrim, etc" as you do this. After that, blow air out > > of your mouth into the object you are establishing life in. Repeat for the > > four verses. > > > > Later in Puja Naivedhya you can make the actual offerings to your Lingam. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Dear Chris, Namaste! You are right, there are some Mantras where we say "Swaha" at the end of the verse even though we are not doing Homa. Thank you for pointing this out. Sincerely, srini , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956 wrote: > > Srini, > > I don't want to engender confusion here, but I think Linda may have > been thinking that one never says "svaha" at the end of any mantra > unless one is at the fire. > > You correctly said the when offering various mantras at the fire one > substitutes "svaha" for "namaha", and the opposite, "namaha" for > "svaha" when not at the fire. But there are some mantras that, as far > as I know, are intended to end in svaha, whether at the fire or not. > > I think there is a need to differentiate between mantras for the > offering, and mantras for the ceremony or kushandika (the mantras for > the puja that is introductory to the offering, ie., path or homa). > > One of my favorites, for instance is, "Om, aksha mala dhipataye > susiddhim dehi dehi sarva, mantrartha sadhini sadhaya sadhaya sarva > siddhim, parikalpaya parikalpaya me svaha." > > This is part of the prayer to (as I conceive it) the consciousness of > shabda (the Power of subtle sound) to open all the mantras to me. > > "Svaha" is supposed to be part of this mantra. > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > > , "srini_sadhu" <srini_sadhu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Linda, > > > > Namaste! > > > > You can do Prana Pratishta to an external object, including a murti > or deity; to the fire, or > > to a pot. So, you can do it outside the fire. > > > > When we are chanting Sahasranama (1000 names) of a God or Goddess we > say Namaha > > after each name when we are not at the fire. We substitute swaha for > Namaha when we are > > at the fire. > > > > Example: > > > > Not at the fire: Om Shivayah Namaha > > At the fire: Om Shivayah Swaha > > > > Sincerely > > srini > > > > > > > > , nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear srini ~ I was amazed to wake up this morning and read your > post to > > > henny. This was the exact part of the Advanced Shiva Puja that I > recited last > > > night! (Of course, I am also reading, studying as I chant, so I > have my yellow > > > marker out and underline things I have questions about or makes > notes in the > > > back of the book. This is so wonderful to know. Even if, as Henny > suggested, I > > > just have to imagine the items, or use water for all the milk, > gheee, honey, > > > etc., and have a flower on a plate for my istha devata (I really > liked that > > > idea), I loved your description of how to do the Prana Pratishta. > Can this be > > > done even if one is not doing it at the fire? Also, I remember > once before > > > the question of the saying of the Swaha at the end of certain > verses, that if > > > you are not at the fire, you shouldn't say it. So I have been > very careful, > > > even though I can't help seeing it there, not to say it when I am > reciting. Is > > > this correct? Thank you so much for your help ~ Linda ... P.S. > Guess my next > > > purchase will be the vcd. : ) > > > > > > srini wrote: > > > > > > It would be best to learn about the Prana Pratishta when in the > physical > > > presence of > > > someone who knows. > > > > > > I will share the little I know. > > > > > > 1. Swamiji demonstrates how to do Prana Pratishta to the Fire in > the VCD > > > "Sadhana at the > > > Jyotir LIngams" > > > > > > 2. In Advanced Shiva Puja, Kalasa Stapana is from 98-111, Prana > Pratishta is > > > page 112 > > > -113. > > > > > > For Kalasa Stapana, follow the instructions imagining the rice, > pot, pouring > > > of water etc. For Prana Pratishta, imagine a flower in front of > you. Pick it > > > up with your right hand. As you pick it up bring it up in front > of you, then > > > touch your forehead with it and then your heart, in a circular > motion. You > > > are chanting "Om Am Aam, hrim, etc" as you do this. After that, > blow air out > > > of your mouth into the object you are establishing life in. > Repeat for the > > > four verses. > > > > > > Later in Puja Naivedhya you can make the actual offerings to your > Lingam. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Dear Sh. Sriniji, Namaste. Pl. allow me to enter into your discussions with my query pertaining to the ensuing subject of discussion.--- "SVAHA ?" Assuming I am allowed to speak, I am putting forth a mantra and would like to ask whether putting SVAHA at the end of it is OK/ correct ?? "OM NAMO BHAGVATE DHANVANTARYE AMRITKALASH HASTAAYA SARVAMAYAVINAASHAYA TRILOK NAATHAYA SHREE MAHAVISHNAVE SVAHA" Jai Mata Ki regds, Anirudh Bhardwaj srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu > wrote: Dear Chris, Namaste! You are right, there are some Mantras where we say "Swaha" at the end of the verse even though we are not doing Homa. Thank you for pointing this out. Sincerely, srini , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956 wrote: > > Srini, > > I don't want to engender confusion here, but I think Linda may have > been thinking that one never says "svaha" at the end of any mantra > unless one is at the fire. > > You correctly said the when offering various mantras at the fire one > substitutes "svaha" for "namaha", and the opposite, "namaha" for > "svaha" when not at the fire. But there are some mantras that, as far > as I know, are intended to end in svaha, whether at the fire or not. > > I think there is a need to differentiate between mantras for the > offering, and mantras for the ceremony or kushandika (the mantras for > the puja that is introductory to the offering, ie., path or homa). > > One of my favorites, for instance is, "Om, aksha mala dhipataye > susiddhim dehi dehi sarva, mantrartha sadhini sadhaya sadhaya sarva > siddhim, parikalpaya parikalpaya me svaha." > > This is part of the prayer to (as I conceive it) the consciousness of > shabda (the Power of subtle sound) to open all the mantras to me. > > "Svaha" is supposed to be part of this mantra. > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > > , "srini_sadhu" <srini_sadhu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Linda, > > > > Namaste! > > > > You can do Prana Pratishta to an external object, including a murti > or deity; to the fire, or > > to a pot. So, you can do it outside the fire. > > > > When we are chanting Sahasranama (1000 names) of a God or Goddess we > say Namaha > > after each name when we are not at the fire. We substitute swaha for > Namaha when we are > > at the fire. > > > > Example: > > > > Not at the fire: Om Shivayah Namaha > > At the fire: Om Shivayah Swaha > > > > Sincerely > > srini > > > > > > > > , nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear srini ~ I was amazed to wake up this morning and read your > post to > > > henny. This was the exact part of the Advanced Shiva Puja that I > recited last > > > night! (Of course, I am also reading, studying as I chant, so I > have my yellow > > > marker out and underline things I have questions about or makes > notes in the > > > back of the book. This is so wonderful to know. Even if, as Henny > suggested, I > > > just have to imagine the items, or use water for all the milk, > gheee, honey, > > > etc., and have a flower on a plate for my istha devata (I really > liked that > > > idea), I loved your description of how to do the Prana Pratishta. > Can this be > > > done even if one is not doing it at the fire? Also, I remember > once before > > > the question of the saying of the Swaha at the end of certain > verses, that if > > > you are not at the fire, you shouldn't say it. So I have been > very careful, > > > even though I can't help seeing it there, not to say it when I am > reciting. Is > > > this correct? Thank you so much for your help ~ Linda ... P.S. > Guess my next > > > purchase will be the vcd. : ) > > > > > > srini wrote: > > > > > > It would be best to learn about the Prana Pratishta when in the > physical > > > presence of > > > someone who knows. > > > > > > I will share the little I know. > > > > > > 1. Swamiji demonstrates how to do Prana Pratishta to the Fire in > the VCD > > > "Sadhana at the > > > Jyotir LIngams" > > > > > > 2. In Advanced Shiva Puja, Kalasa Stapana is from 98-111, Prana > Pratishta is > > > page 112 > > > -113. > > > > > > For Kalasa Stapana, follow the instructions imagining the rice, > pot, pouring > > > of water etc. For Prana Pratishta, imagine a flower in front of > you. Pick it > > > up with your right hand. As you pick it up bring it up in front > of you, then > > > touch your forehead with it and then your heart, in a circular > motion. You > > > are chanting "Om Am Aam, hrim, etc" as you do this. After that, > blow air out > > > of your mouth into the object you are establishing life in. > Repeat for the > > > four verses. > > > > > > Later in Puja Naivedhya you can make the actual offerings to your > Lingam. > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Dear Anirudh, Namaste! It is OK to have swaha at the end of the mantra. I checked with Swamiji. Sincerely srini , ANIRUDH BHARDWAJ <anirudh108 wrote: > > Dear Sh. Sriniji, > Namaste. > Pl. allow me to enter into your discussions with my query pertaining to the ensuing subject of discussion.--- "SVAHA ?" > Assuming I am allowed to speak, I am putting forth a mantra and would like to ask whether putting SVAHA at the end of it is OK/ correct ?? > "OM NAMO BHAGVATE DHANVANTARYE AMRITKALASH HASTAAYA SARVAMAYAVINAASHAYA TRILOK NAATHAYA SHREE MAHAVISHNAVE SVAHA" > > Jai Mata Ki > regds, > Anirudh Bhardwaj > srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu wrote: > Dear Chris, > > Namaste! > > You are right, there are some Mantras where we say "Swaha" at the end of the verse even > though we are not doing Homa. > > Thank you for pointing this out. > > Sincerely, > srini > > , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956@> wrote: > > > > Srini, > > > > I don't want to engender confusion here, but I think Linda may have > > been thinking that one never says "svaha" at the end of any mantra > > unless one is at the fire. > > > > You correctly said the when offering various mantras at the fire one > > substitutes "svaha" for "namaha", and the opposite, "namaha" for > > "svaha" when not at the fire. But there are some mantras that, as far > > as I know, are intended to end in svaha, whether at the fire or not. > > > > I think there is a need to differentiate between mantras for the > > offering, and mantras for the ceremony or kushandika (the mantras for > > the puja that is introductory to the offering, ie., path or homa). > > > > One of my favorites, for instance is, "Om, aksha mala dhipataye > > susiddhim dehi dehi sarva, mantrartha sadhini sadhaya sadhaya sarva > > siddhim, parikalpaya parikalpaya me svaha." > > > > This is part of the prayer to (as I conceive it) the consciousness of > > shabda (the Power of subtle sound) to open all the mantras to me. > > > > "Svaha" is supposed to be part of this mantra. > > > > Jai Maa! > > Chris > > > > > > > > , "srini_sadhu" <srini_sadhu@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Linda, > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > You can do Prana Pratishta to an external object, including a murti > > or deity; to the fire, or > > > to a pot. So, you can do it outside the fire. > > > > > > When we are chanting Sahasranama (1000 names) of a God or Goddess we > > say Namaha > > > after each name when we are not at the fire. We substitute swaha for > > Namaha when we are > > > at the fire. > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > Not at the fire: Om Shivayah Namaha > > > At the fire: Om Shivayah Swaha > > > > > > Sincerely > > > srini > > > > > > > > > > > > , nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear srini ~ I was amazed to wake up this morning and read your > > post to > > > > henny. This was the exact part of the Advanced Shiva Puja that I > > recited last > > > > night! (Of course, I am also reading, studying as I chant, so I > > have my yellow > > > > marker out and underline things I have questions about or makes > > notes in the > > > > back of the book. This is so wonderful to know. Even if, as Henny > > suggested, I > > > > just have to imagine the items, or use water for all the milk, > > gheee, honey, > > > > etc., and have a flower on a plate for my istha devata (I really > > liked that > > > > idea), I loved your description of how to do the Prana Pratishta. > > Can this be > > > > done even if one is not doing it at the fire? Also, I remember > > once before > > > > the question of the saying of the Swaha at the end of certain > > verses, that if > > > > you are not at the fire, you shouldn't say it. So I have been > > very careful, > > > > even though I can't help seeing it there, not to say it when I am > > reciting. Is > > > > this correct? Thank you so much for your help ~ Linda ... P.S. > > Guess my next > > > > purchase will be the vcd. : ) > > > > > > > > srini wrote: > > > > > > > > It would be best to learn about the Prana Pratishta when in the > > physical > > > > presence of > > > > someone who knows. > > > > > > > > I will share the little I know. > > > > > > > > 1. Swamiji demonstrates how to do Prana Pratishta to the Fire in > > the VCD > > > > "Sadhana at the > > > > Jyotir LIngams" > > > > > > > > 2. In Advanced Shiva Puja, Kalasa Stapana is from 98-111, Prana > > Pratishta is > > > > page 112 > > > > -113. > > > > > > > > For Kalasa Stapana, follow the instructions imagining the rice, > > pot, pouring > > > > of water etc. For Prana Pratishta, imagine a flower in front of > > you. Pick it > > > > up with your right hand. As you pick it up bring it up in front > > of you, then > > > > touch your forehead with it and then your heart, in a circular > > motion. You > > > > are chanting "Om Am Aam, hrim, etc" as you do this. After that, > > blow air out > > > > of your mouth into the object you are establishing life in. > > Repeat for the > > > > four verses. > > > > > > > > Later in Puja Naivedhya you can make the actual offerings to your > > Lingam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Dear Chris, Namaste! Swamiji's answer follows. sincerely, srini I had thought that Prana Pratishta was also practiced, like the nyasas, to enliven the divine presence within the worshipper, too, and could be used without transferring to a Murthi or the Fire, say, when doing japa. Could you clarify? The process of Pran Pratishtha enlivens the deity within the worshipper and empowers the worshipper to put that energy outside. So both are true. However, I have never seen it practiced without the intention to enliven an external form. , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956 wrote: > > Srini, > > About pranapratishta... > > Is it then, as you were given it by Swamiji, just for enlivening the > objects of worship? > > I had thought that pranapratishta was also practiced, like the nyasas, > to enliven the divine presence within the worshipper, too, and could > be used without transfering to a murthi or the fire, say, when doing japa.. > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > > , "srini_sadhu" <srini_sadhu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Linda, > > > > Namaste! > > > > You can do Prana Pratishta to an external object, including a murti > or deity; to the fire, or > > to a pot. So, you can do it outside the fire. > > > > When we are chanting Sahasranama (1000 names) of a God or Goddess we > say Namaha > > after each name when we are not at the fire. We substitute swaha for > Namaha when we are > > at the fire. > > > > Example: > > > > Not at the fire: Om Shivayah Namaha > > At the fire: Om Shivayah Swaha > > > > Sincerely > > srini > > > > > > > > , nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear srini ~ I was amazed to wake up this morning and read your > post to > > > henny. This was the exact part of the Advanced Shiva Puja that I > recited last > > > night! (Of course, I am also reading, studying as I chant, so I > have my yellow > > > marker out and underline things I have questions about or makes > notes in the > > > back of the book. This is so wonderful to know. Even if, as Henny > suggested, I > > > just have to imagine the items, or use water for all the milk, > gheee, honey, > > > etc., and have a flower on a plate for my istha devata (I really > liked that > > > idea), I loved your description of how to do the Prana Pratishta. > Can this be > > > done even if one is not doing it at the fire? Also, I remember > once before > > > the question of the saying of the Swaha at the end of certain > verses, that if > > > you are not at the fire, you shouldn't say it. So I have been > very careful, > > > even though I can't help seeing it there, not to say it when I am > reciting. Is > > > this correct? Thank you so much for your help ~ Linda ... P.S. > Guess my next > > > purchase will be the vcd. : ) > > > > > > srini wrote: > > > > > > It would be best to learn about the Prana Pratishta when in the > physical > > > presence of > > > someone who knows. > > > > > > I will share the little I know. > > > > > > 1. Swamiji demonstrates how to do Prana Pratishta to the Fire in > the VCD > > > "Sadhana at the > > > Jyotir LIngams" > > > > > > 2. In Advanced Shiva Puja, Kalasa Stapana is from 98-111, Prana > Pratishta is > > > page 112 > > > -113. > > > > > > For Kalasa Stapana, follow the instructions imagining the rice, > pot, pouring > > > of water etc. For Prana Pratishta, imagine a flower in front of > you. Pick it > > > up with your right hand. As you pick it up bring it up in front > of you, then > > > touch your forehead with it and then your heart, in a circular > motion. You > > > are chanting "Om Am Aam, hrim, etc" as you do this. After that, > blow air out > > > of your mouth into the object you are establishing life in. > Repeat for the > > > four verses. > > > > > > Later in Puja Naivedhya you can make the actual offerings to your > Lingam. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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