Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Certainly one among us in India who calls himself Bhagwan , and has a great fan following , may have done some Bhajans and histrionics too on stage by trying to mimic Lord Shankar Bhagvan, but ultimately he is a money spinner. Any of his courses you go , not less than Rs.2000- That means in other words only the rich can come in his fold or become devotees of God ? What he speaks you cant understand half of the time, and many times better replies can be given by a small child too. just by having hair on body one does not become man, your face should depict the seriousness needed in spiritual undertakings. Once in a while humor is good, but not all times giggling like a girl.A proper public image has to be mantained. anyway Not here to degress anyone. But all are not real men of God. these just use religion as a tool for earning money and filling their own coffers. Some good is created in the process by these men is a seperate matter. Anyday I would prefer a unsung pandit giving lectrures who is a real spiritual person by way of living and behaviour. Just like I would prefer books of Gita press any day to Taraporewala Sons and Co., who have got the best spiritual books, but at what a price? they dont even mention the price printed on the books, they have a seperate list which keeps on changing as per demand from foreign buyers. Whereas Gita Press is having too the finest books in the world but at the cheapest prices for even a poor man/labourer earning Rs.20 a day. These are real men of God (Working in Gita Press), spreading the name of God through cheap priced literatures, books, mgazines etc. with no stage shows, no media publicity, no personal charishmatic behaviours . I bow to these and men like Swami Sivananda of haridwar. regards, bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Bhaskar I have been to a few of this holy men INCLUDING THIS SRI SRI RAVISHANKAR ji, he has done comendable work for pro Hindu work unless u see him and his speeches u may never get to know him on TV he is no good but I have heard his lecture cassettes, CDs good material HE IS THE ONLY HINDU who has protested and not got labeled as communal for asking Govt of India in subsidising Huj pilgrimage and not Nanakshaib or Manasgangotri trips for siekhs, and Hindus . he also has openly critised the double standards they show to Hindu charities where the govt has a endowment ministry and swallows its money no real temple protection, funding is done. where as Wakf board and church are free to amass wealth assets, buy sell, no questions asked. and NO MINISTRY tons of money come from gulf for wakf and from West for church to convert Hindus to christanity at approx 30k per head, he has protested but pravin togadia and others make it so badly we feel that other devils r better the church or wakf activities. RAVI SHANKAR NEVER CALLED himself god as I know he said he isa sadhu a sadhu can have a family life too, not a sanyasi. he has the world around him no other Hindu figure gets such a following he pays all his voulenteers monthly exp at actuals. for any activity all musicians, vedic pandits are paid well and their services used from time to time. has no known scandel on him yet but the missionaries willtarget him someway soon. all pouplar Hindu figures, spots inthe last 3 yrs have been discredited debunked even sabrimala temple is the latest. the Lucknow school incident is a sad one where if at all Hindus react it is so poorly why not protest for days and make a point, why vandelsie the area and get a bad name...! I will ask the principal to urgently see Bush Jr and also go to Iraq and save millions of life if he really so real, just make belive hysteronics.if Hindus did it will be called obscurunist, communal, the left, secular parties r silent till date. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Certainly one among us in India who calls himself Bhagwan , and has a great fan following , may have done some Bhajans and histrionics too on stage by trying to mimic Lord Shankar Bhagvan, but ultimately he is a money spinner. Any of his courses you go , not less than Rs.2000- That means in other words only the rich can come in his fold or become devotees of God ? What he speaks you cant understand half of the time, and many times better replies can be given by a small child too. just by having hair on body one does not become man, your face should depict the seriousness needed in spiritual undertakings. Once in a while humor is good, but not all times giggling like a girl.A proper public image has to be mantained. anyway Not here to degress anyone. But all are not real men of God. these just use religion as a tool for earning money and filling their own coffers. Some good is created in the process by these men is a seperate matter. Anyday I would prefer a unsung pandit giving lectrures who is a real spiritual person by way of living and behaviour. Just like I would prefer books of Gita press any day to Taraporewala Sons and Co., who have got the best spiritual books, but at what a price? they dont even mention the price printed on the books, they have a seperate list which keeps on changing as per demand from foreign buyers. Whereas Gita Press is having too the finest books in the world but at the cheapest prices for even a poor man/labourer earning Rs.20 a day. These are real men of God (Working in Gita Press), spreading the name of God through cheap priced literatures, books, mgazines etc. with no stage shows, no media publicity, no personal charishmatic behaviours . I bow to these and men like Swami Sivananda of haridwar. regards, bhaskar. How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Shri Prashant sahab, Namaste, I do not know about this side of Him. normally we comment on people only on the side we know of. These comments also change, they are never permanent, they change when we see the better side of ones persona, then though the negatives may still remain, yet we learn to ignore the darker ones and concentrate on the good ones, and at that times,the good comments come forth. Now you have given a new perspective to this gentleman a side which at least i knew not, anyway persons like me are commoners whose views as I said change as per new revelations received, and better understanding, therefore please treat my comments on such matters as relative and subject to change. Anyway it was not personal and not intended to malign anyone, neither a God man nor supporter, just what was apparently noticed by the viewer in this case, also acknowledging the good name of God being spread by these men whatever may be the motives, is not for us to look into. Thanking you for taking pains to show the bright side. I was inside not feeling very happy to write what I wrote in my previous post frankly speaking and being honest with You. regards, Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Bhaskar > > I have been to a few of this holy men INCLUDING THIS SRI SRI RAVISHANKAR ji, he has done comendable work for pro Hindu work unless u see him and his speeches u may never get to know him on TV he is no good but I have heard his lecture cassettes, CDs good material > > HE IS THE ONLY HINDU who has protested and not got labeled as communal for asking Govt of India in subsidising Huj pilgrimage and not Nanakshaib or Manasgangotri trips for siekhs, and Hindus . > he also has openly critised the double standards they show to Hindu charities where the govt has a endowment ministry and swallows its money no real temple protection, funding is done. > where as Wakf board and church are free to amass wealth assets, buy sell, no questions asked. and NO MINISTRY tons of money come from gulf for wakf and from West for church to convert Hindus to christanity at approx 30k per head, he has protested > but pravin togadia and others make it so badly we feel that other devils r better the church or wakf activities. > > RAVI SHANKAR NEVER CALLED himself god as I know he said he isa sadhu a sadhu can have a family life too, not a sanyasi. > he has the world around him no other Hindu figure gets such a following he pays all his voulenteers monthly exp at actuals. for any activity all musicians, vedic pandits are paid well and their services used from time to time. has no known scandel on him yet but the missionaries willtarget him someway soon. > > all pouplar Hindu figures, spots inthe last 3 yrs have been discredited debunked even sabrimala temple is the latest. > > the Lucknow school incident is a sad one where if at all Hindus react it is so poorly why not protest for days and make a point, why vandelsie the area and get a bad name...! > > I will ask the principal to urgently see Bush Jr and also go to Iraq and save millions of life if he really so real, just make belive hysteronics.if Hindus did it will be called obscurunist, communal, the left, secular parties r silent till date. > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Certainly one among us in India who calls himself Bhagwan , and has a > great fan following , may have done some Bhajans and histrionics too > on stage by trying to mimic Lord Shankar Bhagvan, but > ultimately he is a money spinner. Any of his courses you go , > not less than Rs.2000- That means in other words only the rich can come > in his fold or become devotees of God ? > What he speaks you cant understand half of the time, and many > times better replies can be given by a small child too. > just by having hair on body one does not become man, your face should > depict the seriousness needed in spiritual undertakings. > Once in a while humor is good, but not all times giggling like > a girl.A proper public image has to be mantained. > anyway Not here to degress anyone. But all are not real men > of God. these just use religion as a tool for earning money and filling > their own coffers. Some good is created in the process by these men is > a seperate matter. Anyday I would prefer a unsung pandit giving > lectrures who is a real spiritual person by way of living and behaviour. > > Just like I would prefer books of Gita press any day to Taraporewala > Sons and Co., who have got the best spiritual books, but at what a > price? they dont even mention the price printed on the books, they have > a seperate list which keeps on changing as per demand from foreign > buyers. Whereas Gita Press is having too the finest books in the world > but at the cheapest prices for even a poor man/labourer earning > Rs.20 a day. These are real men of God (Working in Gita Press), > spreading the name of God through cheap priced literatures, books, > mgazines etc. with no stage shows, no media publicity, no personal > charishmatic behaviours . I bow to these and men like Swami Sivananda of > haridwar. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Sri Prashant ji, Bhaskarji and all, Namaskar. We are talking about God Men and not about God. They are but men, better defined as Good men. They are still not infallible as God alone is considered infallible.As long as the money so spun is used for the good of the humanity so be it. The good works of Sri satya Sai baba are well known nay can we compare them to those of the Sai Baba of Dwarkamayi. Each of these good men have their virtues and as long as these benefit the masses and outnumber the so called *vices*, so far so good. We can hardly find saints in the present era and the last of them was Kanchi Mahaperiyaval. So it is but in vain that we search for God among Men, instead be content to find Good in Men(gender encompassing). Regards Nalini , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Prashant sahab, > > Namaste, > > I do not know about this side of Him. normally we comment on people > only on the side we know of. These comments also change, they are > never permanent, they change when we see the better side of ones > persona, then though the negatives may still remain, yet we learn to > ignore the darker ones and concentrate on the good ones, and at that > times,the good comments come forth. Now you have given a new > perspective to this gentleman a side which at least i knew not, > anyway persons like me are commoners whose views as I said change as > per new revelations received, and better understanding, therefore > please treat my comments on such matters as relative and subject to > change. > > > Anyway it was not personal and not intended to malign anyone, > neither a God man nor supporter, just what was apparently noticed by > the viewer in this case, also acknowledging the good name > of God being spread by these men whatever may be the motives, is not > for us to look into. Thanking you for taking pains to show the bright > side. I was inside not feeling very happy to write what I wrote in > my previous post frankly speaking and being honest with You. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskar > > > > I have been to a few of this holy men INCLUDING THIS SRI SRI > RAVISHANKAR ji, he has done comendable work for pro Hindu work > unless u see him and his speeches u may never get to know him on TV > he is no good but I have heard his lecture cassettes, CDs good > material > > > > HE IS THE ONLY HINDU who has protested and not got labeled as > communal for asking Govt of India in subsidising Huj pilgrimage and > not Nanakshaib or Manasgangotri trips for siekhs, and Hindus . > > he also has openly critised the double standards they show to > Hindu charities where the govt has a endowment ministry and swallows > its money no real temple protection, funding is done. > > where as Wakf board and church are free to amass wealth assets, > buy sell, no questions asked. and NO MINISTRY tons of money come > from gulf for wakf and from West for church to convert Hindus to > christanity at approx 30k per head, he has protested > > but pravin togadia and others make it so badly we feel that other > devils r better the church or wakf activities. > > > > RAVI SHANKAR NEVER CALLED himself god as I know he said he isa > sadhu a sadhu can have a family life too, not a sanyasi. > > he has the world around him no other Hindu figure gets such a > following he pays all his voulenteers monthly exp at actuals. for > any activity all musicians, vedic pandits are paid well and their > services used from time to time. has no known scandel on him yet but > the missionaries willtarget him someway soon. > > > > all pouplar Hindu figures, spots inthe last 3 yrs have been > discredited debunked even sabrimala temple is the latest. > > > > the Lucknow school incident is a sad one where if at all Hindus > react it is so poorly why not protest for days and make a point, > why vandelsie the area and get a bad name...! > > > > I will ask the principal to urgently see Bush Jr and also go to > Iraq and save millions of life if he really so real, just make > belive hysteronics.if Hindus did it will be called obscurunist, > communal, the left, secular parties r silent till date. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: Certainly one > among us in India who calls himself Bhagwan , and has a > > great fan following , may have done some Bhajans and histrionics > too > > on stage by trying to mimic Lord Shankar Bhagvan, but > > ultimately he is a money spinner. Any of his courses you go , > > not less than Rs.2000- That means in other words only the rich > can come > > in his fold or become devotees of God ? > > What he speaks you cant understand half of the time, and many > > times better replies can be given by a small child too. > > just by having hair on body one does not become man, your face > should > > depict the seriousness needed in spiritual undertakings. > > Once in a while humor is good, but not all times giggling like > > a girl.A proper public image has to be mantained. > > anyway Not here to degress anyone. But all are not real men > > of God. these just use religion as a tool for earning money and > filling > > their own coffers. Some good is created in the process by these > men is > > a seperate matter. Anyday I would prefer a unsung pandit giving > > lectrures who is a real spiritual person by way of living and > behaviour. > > > > Just like I would prefer books of Gita press any day to > Taraporewala > > Sons and Co., who have got the best spiritual books, but at what > a > > price? they dont even mention the price printed on the books, > they have > > a seperate list which keeps on changing as per demand from > foreign > > buyers. Whereas Gita Press is having too the finest books in the > world > > but at the cheapest prices for even a poor man/labourer earning > > Rs.20 a day. These are real men of God (Working in Gita Press), > > spreading the name of God through cheap priced literatures, > books, > > mgazines etc. with no stage shows, no media publicity, no personal > > charishmatic behaviours . I bow to these and men like Swami > Sivananda of > > haridwar. > > > > regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to- Phone > call rates. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Dear Naliniji, Certainly. We have better call them as good men instead of God men. And good men too in a relative way. Because perfection cannot exist in humans. Its a rare existence. They too will have their own weaknesses maybe in a lesser degree then others.It would be folly on our part or asking too much if we put them on pedestal of Gods. Or else as Shri Prashantji suggestd we may call them Holy men. What You said I liked very much. Its better to be content to find good in men (Gender encompassing). Period. regards, Bhaskar. , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Sri Prashant ji, Bhaskarji and all, > > Namaskar. > We are talking about God Men and not about God. They are but men, > better defined as Good men. They are still not infallible as God > alone is considered infallible.As long as the money so spun is used > for the good of the humanity so be it. > > The good works of Sri satya Sai baba are well known nay can we > compare them to those of the Sai Baba of Dwarkamayi. Each of these > good men have their virtues and as long as these benefit the masses > and outnumber the so called *vices*, so far so good. > > We can hardly find saints in the present era and the last of them > was Kanchi Mahaperiyaval. So it is but in vain that we search for > God among Men, instead be content to find Good in Men(gender > encompassing). > Regards > Nalini > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prashant sahab, > > > > Namaste, > > > > I do not know about this side of Him. normally we comment on > people > > only on the side we know of. These comments also change, they are > > never permanent, they change when we see the better side of ones > > persona, then though the negatives may still remain, yet we learn > to > > ignore the darker ones and concentrate on the good ones, and at > that > > times,the good comments come forth. Now you have given a new > > perspective to this gentleman a side which at least i knew not, > > anyway persons like me are commoners whose views as I said change > as > > per new revelations received, and better understanding, therefore > > please treat my comments on such matters as relative and subject > to > > change. > > > > > > Anyway it was not personal and not intended to malign anyone, > > neither a God man nor supporter, just what was apparently noticed > by > > the viewer in this case, also acknowledging the good name > > of God being spread by these men whatever may be the motives, is > not > > for us to look into. Thanking you for taking pains to show the > bright > > side. I was inside not feeling very happy to write what I wrote in > > my previous post frankly speaking and being honest with You. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > I have been to a few of this holy men INCLUDING THIS SRI SRI > > RAVISHANKAR ji, he has done comendable work for pro Hindu work > > unless u see him and his speeches u may never get to know him on > TV > > he is no good but I have heard his lecture cassettes, CDs good > > material > > > > > > HE IS THE ONLY HINDU who has protested and not got labeled as > > communal for asking Govt of India in subsidising Huj pilgrimage > and > > not Nanakshaib or Manasgangotri trips for siekhs, and Hindus . > > > he also has openly critised the double standards they show to > > Hindu charities where the govt has a endowment ministry and > swallows > > its money no real temple protection, funding is done. > > > where as Wakf board and church are free to amass wealth > assets, > > buy sell, no questions asked. and NO MINISTRY tons of money come > > from gulf for wakf and from West for church to convert Hindus to > > christanity at approx 30k per head, he has protested > > > but pravin togadia and others make it so badly we feel that > other > > devils r better the church or wakf activities. > > > > > > RAVI SHANKAR NEVER CALLED himself god as I know he said he isa > > sadhu a sadhu can have a family life too, not a sanyasi. > > > he has the world around him no other Hindu figure gets such a > > following he pays all his voulenteers monthly exp at actuals. for > > any activity all musicians, vedic pandits are paid well and their > > services used from time to time. has no known scandel on him yet > but > > the missionaries willtarget him someway soon. > > > > > > all pouplar Hindu figures, spots inthe last 3 yrs have been > > discredited debunked even sabrimala temple is the latest. > > > > > > the Lucknow school incident is a sad one where if at all > Hindus > > react it is so poorly why not protest for days and make a point, > > why vandelsie the area and get a bad name...! > > > > > > I will ask the principal to urgently see Bush Jr and also go > to > > Iraq and save millions of life if he really so real, just make > > belive hysteronics.if Hindus did it will be called obscurunist, > > communal, the left, secular parties r silent till date. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: Certainly > one > > among us in India who calls himself Bhagwan , and has a > > > great fan following , may have done some Bhajans and > histrionics > > too > > > on stage by trying to mimic Lord Shankar Bhagvan, but > > > ultimately he is a money spinner. Any of his courses you go , > > > not less than Rs.2000- That means in other words only the rich > > can come > > > in his fold or become devotees of God ? > > > What he speaks you cant understand half of the time, and many > > > times better replies can be given by a small child too. > > > just by having hair on body one does not become man, your face > > should > > > depict the seriousness needed in spiritual undertakings. > > > Once in a while humor is good, but not all times giggling like > > > a girl.A proper public image has to be mantained. > > > anyway Not here to degress anyone. But all are not real men > > > of God. these just use religion as a tool for earning money > and > > filling > > > their own coffers. Some good is created in the process by > these > > men is > > > a seperate matter. Anyday I would prefer a unsung pandit > giving > > > lectrures who is a real spiritual person by way of living and > > behaviour. > > > > > > Just like I would prefer books of Gita press any day to > > Taraporewala > > > Sons and Co., who have got the best spiritual books, but at > what > > a > > > price? they dont even mention the price printed on the books, > > they have > > > a seperate list which keeps on changing as per demand from > > foreign > > > buyers. Whereas Gita Press is having too the finest books in > the > > world > > > but at the cheapest prices for even a poor man/labourer earning > > > Rs.20 a day. These are real men of God (Working in Gita Press), > > > spreading the name of God through cheap priced literatures, > > books, > > > mgazines etc. with no stage shows, no media publicity, no > personal > > > charishmatic behaviours . I bow to these and men like Swami > > Sivananda of > > > haridwar. > > > > > > regards, > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to- > Phone > > call rates. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Dear Bhaskarji, The problem with us humans is that we reach out to and desire the unattainable. We also try to satisfy ourselves that the (wo)man next to us is not perfect and try to find any conceivable fault and we do succeed as you rightly said perfection in mortals is impossible. But in this present days of evangelist- Chief Ministers and unscrupulous politicians bending backwards to appease the *minorities* are they so any more? I think the terms economically backward, socially disadvantaged,minorities are due for redefining. We might be alarmed at the results. Anyways India might shortly be shorn off Hindutva at the present rate of goings on. Nalini , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Naliniji, > > Certainly. We have better call them as good men instead of God men. > And good men too in a relative way. Because perfection cannot exist > in humans. Its a rare existence. They too will have their own > weaknesses maybe in a lesser degree then others.It would be folly on > our part or asking too much if we put them on pedestal of Gods. > Or else as Shri Prashantji suggestd we may call them Holy men. > > What You said I liked very much. Its better to be content to > find good in men (Gender encompassing). Period. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "auromirra19" > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > Sri Prashant ji, Bhaskarji and all, > > > > Namaskar. > > We are talking about God Men and not about God. They are but men, > > better defined as Good men. They are still not infallible as God > > alone is considered infallible.As long as the money so spun is used > > for the good of the humanity so be it. > > > > The good works of Sri satya Sai baba are well known nay can we > > compare them to those of the Sai Baba of Dwarkamayi. Each of these > > good men have their virtues and as long as these benefit the masses > > and outnumber the so called *vices*, so far so good. > > > > We can hardly find saints in the present era and the last of them > > was Kanchi Mahaperiyaval. So it is but in vain that we search for > > God among Men, instead be content to find Good in Men(gender > > encompassing). > > Regards > > Nalini > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Prashant sahab, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I do not know about this side of Him. normally we comment on > > people > > > only on the side we know of. These comments also change, they are > > > never permanent, they change when we see the better side of ones > > > persona, then though the negatives may still remain, yet we learn > > to > > > ignore the darker ones and concentrate on the good ones, and at > > that > > > times,the good comments come forth. Now you have given a new > > > perspective to this gentleman a side which at least i knew not, > > > anyway persons like me are commoners whose views as I said change > > as > > > per new revelations received, and better understanding, therefore > > > please treat my comments on such matters as relative and subject > > to > > > change. > > > > > > > > > Anyway it was not personal and not intended to malign anyone, > > > neither a God man nor supporter, just what was apparently noticed > > by > > > the viewer in this case, also acknowledging the good name > > > of God being spread by these men whatever may be the motives, is > > not > > > for us to look into. Thanking you for taking pains to show the > > bright > > > side. I was inside not feeling very happy to write what I wrote in > > > my previous post frankly speaking and being honest with You. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > > I have been to a few of this holy men INCLUDING THIS SRI SRI > > > RAVISHANKAR ji, he has done comendable work for pro Hindu work > > > unless u see him and his speeches u may never get to know him > on > > TV > > > he is no good but I have heard his lecture cassettes, CDs good > > > material > > > > > > > > HE IS THE ONLY HINDU who has protested and not got labeled as > > > communal for asking Govt of India in subsidising Huj pilgrimage > > and > > > not Nanakshaib or Manasgangotri trips for siekhs, and Hindus . > > > > he also has openly critised the double standards they show to > > > Hindu charities where the govt has a endowment ministry and > > swallows > > > its money no real temple protection, funding is done. > > > > where as Wakf board and church are free to amass wealth > > assets, > > > buy sell, no questions asked. and NO MINISTRY tons of money come > > > from gulf for wakf and from West for church to convert Hindus to > > > christanity at approx 30k per head, he has protested > > > > but pravin togadia and others make it so badly we feel that > > other > > > devils r better the church or wakf activities. > > > > > > > > RAVI SHANKAR NEVER CALLED himself god as I know he said he > isa > > > sadhu a sadhu can have a family life too, not a sanyasi. > > > > he has the world around him no other Hindu figure gets such a > > > following he pays all his voulenteers monthly exp at actuals. > for > > > any activity all musicians, vedic pandits are paid well and > their > > > services used from time to time. has no known scandel on him yet > > but > > > the missionaries willtarget him someway soon. > > > > > > > > all pouplar Hindu figures, spots inthe last 3 yrs have been > > > discredited debunked even sabrimala temple is the latest. > > > > > > > > the Lucknow school incident is a sad one where if at all > > Hindus > > > react it is so poorly why not protest for days and make a point, > > > why vandelsie the area and get a bad name...! > > > > > > > > I will ask the principal to urgently see Bush Jr and also go > > to > > > Iraq and save millions of life if he really so real, just make > > > belive hysteronics.if Hindus did it will be called obscurunist, > > > communal, the left, secular parties r silent till date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: Certainly > > one > > > among us in India who calls himself Bhagwan , and has a > > > > great fan following , may have done some Bhajans and > > histrionics > > > too > > > > on stage by trying to mimic Lord Shankar Bhagvan, but > > > > ultimately he is a money spinner. Any of his courses you go , > > > > not less than Rs.2000- That means in other words only the > rich > > > can come > > > > in his fold or become devotees of God ? > > > > What he speaks you cant understand half of the time, and many > > > > times better replies can be given by a small child too. > > > > just by having hair on body one does not become man, your > face > > > should > > > > depict the seriousness needed in spiritual undertakings. > > > > Once in a while humor is good, but not all times giggling > like > > > > a girl.A proper public image has to be mantained. > > > > anyway Not here to degress anyone. But all are not real men > > > > of God. these just use religion as a tool for earning money > > and > > > filling > > > > their own coffers. Some good is created in the process by > > these > > > men is > > > > a seperate matter. Anyday I would prefer a unsung pandit > > giving > > > > lectrures who is a real spiritual person by way of living and > > > behaviour. > > > > > > > > Just like I would prefer books of Gita press any day to > > > Taraporewala > > > > Sons and Co., who have got the best spiritual books, but at > > what > > > a > > > > price? they dont even mention the price printed on the books, > > > they have > > > > a seperate list which keeps on changing as per demand from > > > foreign > > > > buyers. Whereas Gita Press is having too the finest books in > > the > > > world > > > > but at the cheapest prices for even a poor man/labourer > earning > > > > Rs.20 a day. These are real men of God (Working in Gita > Press), > > > > spreading the name of God through cheap priced literatures, > > > books, > > > > mgazines etc. with no stage shows, no media publicity, no > > personal > > > > charishmatic behaviours . I bow to these and men like Swami > > > Sivananda of > > > > haridwar. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to- > > Phone > > > call rates. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji / others, Let me put a different perspective. Ketu is termed as moksha karaka. Can moksha come without detatchment from "maya" - but is it necessary for native to go through "bhoga" first as precondition of detatchment? In my view - Yes. If someone has not used mercedes, can he be seen detatched from it. He got to use it and then get over the rajas / tamas tatva. So many of rajasik / tamasik emergence of any person (may be selectively called as "godmen") - can be part of his journey (not necessarily to be completing in this janma). That is why ketu - which is often curtailing planet for consumption of "rajas" - is seen often working as catalyst for "maya", before it induces detatchment. We are not debating the timing of events - but the patterns. Ranjan ji - you have raised an interesting question of - not many women becoming "god(wo)men". I am still searching for answer. On corelation - our scriptures do not mention many women saints either (compared to male ones) - who did tapasya for years. May be karmically - they are more inclined to karmic pursuance (fulfillemnt of dharma) through motherhood and many more obligations. So that itself complies with dharma definition in totality. regards / Prafulla Gang It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations. ************************************************ > > nalini2818 > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:02:59 -0000 > > Re: GOD MEN OR MONEY SPINNERS ? > > Dear Bhaskarji, > The problem with us humans is that we reach out to and desire the > unattainable. We also try to satisfy ourselves that the (wo)man next > to us is not perfect and try to find any conceivable fault and we do > succeed as you rightly said perfection in mortals is impossible. > But in this present days of evangelist- Chief Ministers and > unscrupulous politicians bending backwards to appease the > *minorities* are they so any more? I think the terms economically > backward, socially disadvantaged,minorities are due for redefining. > We might be alarmed at the results. > Anyways India might shortly be shorn off Hindutva at the present > rate of goings on. > Nalini > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Naliniji, >> >> Certainly. We have better call them as good men instead of God men. >> And good men too in a relative way. Because perfection cannot > exist >> in humans. Its a rare existence. They too will have their own >> weaknesses maybe in a lesser degree then others.It would be folly > on >> our part or asking too much if we put them on pedestal of Gods. >> Or else as Shri Prashantji suggestd we may call them Holy men. >> >> What You said I liked very much. Its better to be content to >> find good in men (Gender encompassing). Period. >> >> regards, >> Bhaskar. >> >> >> >> >> >> , "auromirra19" >> <nalini2818@> wrote: >>> >>> Sri Prashant ji, Bhaskarji and all, >>> >>> Namaskar. >>> We are talking about God Men and not about God. They are but > men, >>> better defined as Good men. They are still not infallible as God >>> alone is considered infallible.As long as the money so spun is > used >>> for the good of the humanity so be it. >>> >>> The good works of Sri satya Sai baba are well known nay can we >>> compare them to those of the Sai Baba of Dwarkamayi. Each of > these >>> good men have their virtues and as long as these benefit the > masses >>> and outnumber the so called *vices*, so far so good. >>> >>> We can hardly find saints in the present era and the last of > them >>> was Kanchi Mahaperiyaval. So it is but in vain that we search > for >>> God among Men, instead be content to find Good in Men(gender >>> encompassing). >>> Regards >>> Nalini >>> >>> , "Bhaskar" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Shri Prashant sahab, >>>> >>>> Namaste, >>>> >>>> I do not know about this side of Him. normally we comment on >>> people >>>> only on the side we know of. These comments also change, they > are >>>> never permanent, they change when we see the better side of > ones >>>> persona, then though the negatives may still remain, yet we > learn >>> to >>>> ignore the darker ones and concentrate on the good ones, and > at >>> that >>>> times,the good comments come forth. Now you have given a new >>>> perspective to this gentleman a side which at least i knew not, >>>> anyway persons like me are commoners whose views as I said > change >>> as >>>> per new revelations received, and better understanding, > therefore >>>> please treat my comments on such matters as relative and > subject >>> to >>>> change. >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway it was not personal and not intended to malign anyone, >>>> neither a God man nor supporter, just what was apparently > noticed >>> by >>>> the viewer in this case, also acknowledging the good name >>>> of God being spread by these men whatever may be the motives, > is >>> not >>>> for us to look into. Thanking you for taking pains to show the >>> bright >>>> side. I was inside not feeling very happy to write what I > wrote in >>>> my previous post frankly speaking and being honest with You. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> >>>> , Prashant Kumar G B >>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Bhaskar >>>>> >>>>> I have been to a few of this holy men INCLUDING THIS SRI > SRI >>>> RAVISHANKAR ji, he has done comendable work for pro Hindu > work >>>> unless u see him and his speeches u may never get to know him >> on >>> TV >>>> he is no good but I have heard his lecture cassettes, CDs > good >>>> material >>>>> >>>>> HE IS THE ONLY HINDU who has protested and not got labeled > as >>>> communal for asking Govt of India in subsidising Huj > pilgrimage >>> and >>>> not Nanakshaib or Manasgangotri trips for siekhs, and Hindus . >>>>> he also has openly critised the double standards they show > to >>>> Hindu charities where the govt has a endowment ministry and >>> swallows >>>> its money no real temple protection, funding is done. >>>>> where as Wakf board and church are free to amass wealth >>> assets, >>>> buy sell, no questions asked. and NO MINISTRY tons of money > come >>>> from gulf for wakf and from West for church to convert Hindus > to >>>> christanity at approx 30k per head, he has protested >>>>> but pravin togadia and others make it so badly we feel > that >>> other >>>> devils r better the church or wakf activities. >>>>> >>>>> RAVI SHANKAR NEVER CALLED himself god as I know he said he >> isa >>>> sadhu a sadhu can have a family life too, not a sanyasi. >>>>> he has the world around him no other Hindu figure gets > such a >>>> following he pays all his voulenteers monthly exp at actuals. >> for >>>> any activity all musicians, vedic pandits are paid well and >> their >>>> services used from time to time. has no known scandel on him > yet >>> but >>>> the missionaries willtarget him someway soon. >>>>> >>>>> all pouplar Hindu figures, spots inthe last 3 yrs have > been >>>> discredited debunked even sabrimala temple is the latest. >>>>> >>>>> the Lucknow school incident is a sad one where if at all >>> Hindus >>>> react it is so poorly why not protest for days and make a > point, >>>> why vandelsie the area and get a bad name...! >>>>> >>>>> I will ask the principal to urgently see Bush Jr and also > go >>> to >>>> Iraq and save millions of life if he really so real, just > make >>>> belive hysteronics.if Hindus did it will be called > obscurunist, >>>> communal, the left, secular parties r silent till date. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>> wrote: > Certainly >>> one >>>> among us in India who calls himself Bhagwan , and has a >>>>> great fan following , may have done some Bhajans and >>> histrionics >>>> too >>>>> on stage by trying to mimic Lord Shankar Bhagvan, but >>>>> ultimately he is a money spinner. Any of his courses you > go , >>>>> not less than Rs.2000- That means in other words only the >> rich >>>> can come >>>>> in his fold or become devotees of God ? >>>>> What he speaks you cant understand half of the time, and > many >>>>> times better replies can be given by a small child too. >>>>> just by having hair on body one does not become man, your >> face >>>> should >>>>> depict the seriousness needed in spiritual undertakings. >>>>> Once in a while humor is good, but not all times giggling >> like >>>>> a girl.A proper public image has to be mantained. >>>>> anyway Not here to degress anyone. But all are not real men >>>>> of God. these just use religion as a tool for earning > money >>> and >>>> filling >>>>> their own coffers. Some good is created in the process by >>> these >>>> men is >>>>> a seperate matter. Anyday I would prefer a unsung pandit >>> giving >>>>> lectrures who is a real spiritual person by way of living > and >>>> behaviour. >>>>> >>>>> Just like I would prefer books of Gita press any day to >>>> Taraporewala >>>>> Sons and Co., who have got the best spiritual books, but > at >>> what >>>> a >>>>> price? they dont even mention the price printed on the > books, >>>> they have >>>>> a seperate list which keeps on changing as per demand from >>>> foreign >>>>> buyers. Whereas Gita Press is having too the finest books > in >>> the >>>> world >>>>> but at the cheapest prices for even a poor man/labourer >> earning >>>>> Rs.20 a day. These are real men of God (Working in Gita >> Press), >>>>> spreading the name of God through cheap priced > literatures, >>>> books, >>>>> mgazines etc. with no stage shows, no media publicity, no >>> personal >>>>> charishmatic behaviours . I bow to these and men like > Swami >>>> Sivananda of >>>>> haridwar. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to- >>> Phone >>>> call rates. >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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