Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopu,

 

What connection it has..why you're linking Sri.Prashantji approach..

everybody has their own approach in expressing their views. Please

dont get in to personal.

 

Second which world you are living in...haan? please go through the

following site and also the email copy and you will learn many

things of what is happening in temples around andhra pradesh...

these are all not updated sites but still can you provide feeder

info...

 

http://protectchilukurubalajitemple.com/

 

 

[t'venkatam] Signature Campaign To Save Tirumala

>Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:09:46 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>Dear Devotees of Lord,

>

>This mail is regarding a signature campaign that I am conducting

(as a part

>of an organization) to voice dissent against the destruction of

sacred and

>historical structures in Tirumala. In the name of expanding the

facilities

>for devotees - the TTD is demolishing structures of historical and

>religious importance - which include the maada veedhi (the steps on

which

>the devotees used to sit before the temple).., the thousand pillar

mandapam

>adjoining it and many of the ancient maths of great devotees of the

Lord

>which are around the temple..

>

>While it is correct to provide new facilities to devotees - it

should not

>be at the cost of demolishing the heritage of the temple..

>

>Following is the web-site which has a request Pamplet explaining the

>destructions (which are happening silently - and most of which you

are not

>aware of)..

>

>http://sureshbabu.tripod.com/philop/tirumala.htm

>

>Kindly go there and sign in with your name, phone and email id.

These

>details are just to keep the authenticity of the signatures.

>

>This site has been created with the help of my friend Suresh Babu

(in the

>CC list)

>

>For more authentic details on these happenings (in case you are not

aware)

>- You can see the links - www.chinnajeeyar.org and

www.bhakthinivedana.org

>

>Kindly sign the document and please pass it on recursively to your

>friends..

>

>By August 1st - We are planning to collect 50 lakh signatures and

hand over

>them to TTD, CM of AP and other important dignatories. This is a

peaceful

>mission and has no political angle attached to it..

>

>Please forward this to all friends - relatives etc that you know

across the

>internet fraternity and ask them to send to their friends..

>

>Its a divine cause and may God Bless U..

>

>However there is no force in this campaign..Its left to your

conscience..

>

>Om NamO VEnkatESAya,

>

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear bhaskarji,

> ur observation of human weak mind is absolutely

> correct. Many times I observe Sri.Prashant has a

> fanatical approach of our religion which shouldnt be

> there. our religion is known for tolerance and that's

> one of the reason nowhere in the world u will find

> such diversified people with different caste, religion

> still exist as one. It is unfortunate political

> parties whether it is congress or BJP they always use

> this communal card to retain power. Classical example

> is singing of vande matram. everybody would have

> sung(including muslims) had they not made it

> mandatory. It is only after demolition of Babri masjid

> so much of communal terror activities are taking place

> which isnt good to the society. I am of the opinion

> that Lord Rama wouldnt insist that the temple should

> be constructed only at the site of Babri masjid. there

> was a clipping in this NDTV and other channels ie we

> want good roads and not singing, i think we have to

> add govt should provide good quality of life rather

> than wasting there time in such trivia.

> coming to ur query reg funds of tirupathi, to the best

> of my knowledge it is controlled by TTD, and the funds

> are best used by providing good roads, accomodation

> facilities, educational facilities for the locals.

>

> with good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shri Gopuji,

 

While I agree that acts of religious fanaticism and vandalism

cause hatred and blaze fires and reactions all around.

But I for one would like the constitution to be changed.

Why should I not do arati in my own house ?

Why should I not build a small temple in my own house?

If a invader enters my house and choses to stay here, would

he get the right to dictate terms to me,on how should I

conduct my life ?

Pakistan though is made on our space only taken by force,

have the guts to call themselves Muslim country, and we have

still continued singing tune of secularism ?

Why cant we call our country as Hindu country ?

They are only minorities by name.

Who has the guts to sell them goods and then take out

money from them ? At least I dont have.

Because they have Bhais all around.

They have proper connections,political clout and in police too.

Who has the guts in India our own country, to walk in their areas

with a red tika (Tilak)on the forehaead ? At least I dont have.

So who is minority ?

If we do arati and they object,we can do nothing but

pack up and go home.

Why ? Is this not my country ?

The constitution has to be changed so that they are not allowed to

cast their votes or form groups or protest unless some injustice is

done or except for religious purposes. That much of secularism should

definitely be allowed.

I also agree that Vande Materam should not be forced, but should come

from all, within.

About Ram Mandir . Why shouldnt it be made ?

But after living in this country for so many years even I have become

little secular. I would certainly not wish the mandir to be made by

removing another religious structure or hurting sentiments of any

other religion. I am not for that.

 

But if we do not voice our religion, our Bhajans,our devotional songs,

our Aratis in this country, then where ? Which is our country then ?

Why is this country made into a Dharamshala. Nepal too has become

a blot now because of entry of these criminals. At least uptil few

years back I was happy that in Nepal I fill find a place

which would be totally Hindu. But no more.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear bhaskarji,

> ur observation of human weak mind is absolutely

> correct. Many times I observe Sri.Prashant has a

> fanatical approach of our religion which shouldnt be

> there. our religion is known for tolerance and that's

> one of the reason nowhere in the world u will find

> such diversified people with different caste, religion

> still exist as one. It is unfortunate political

> parties whether it is congress or BJP they always use

> this communal card to retain power. Classical example

> is singing of vande matram. everybody would have

> sung(including muslims) had they not made it

> mandatory. It is only after demolition of Babri masjid

> so much of communal terror activities are taking place

> which isnt good to the society. I am of the opinion

> that Lord Rama wouldnt insist that the temple should

> be constructed only at the site of Babri masjid. there

> was a clipping in this NDTV and other channels ie we

> want good roads and not singing, i think we have to

> add govt should provide good quality of life rather

> than wasting there time in such trivia.

> coming to ur query reg funds of tirupathi, to the best

> of my knowledge it is controlled by TTD, and the funds

> are best used by providing good roads, accomodation

> facilities, educational facilities for the locals.

>

> with good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sir I am also for it.

I will then be able to speak more freely without any inhibitions.

Please lead the way.

I would be the first member.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Small suggestion - shall we form another forum, where we can

discuss religion, religious practices, patriotism, mantras and

related issues. I am for it.

>

> On this forum - ocassional posts or its jyotish based reasonings

will be more useful.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Although we gain much through our kindness and charity, if we do

these for gain, they are neither kindness nor charity but self-

interest in disguise. Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a

result but not the purpose.

>

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:46:46 -0000

> >

> > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

> >

> > Shri Gopuji,

> >

> > While I agree that acts of religious fanaticism and vandalism

> > cause hatred and blaze fires and reactions all around.

> > But I for one would like the constitution to be changed.

> > Why should I not do arati in my own house ?

> > Why should I not build a small temple in my own house?

> > If a invader enters my house and choses to stay here, would

> > he get the right to dictate terms to me,on how should I

> > conduct my life ?

> > Pakistan though is made on our space only taken by force,

> > have the guts to call themselves Muslim country, and we have

> > still continued singing tune of secularism ?

> > Why cant we call our country as Hindu country ?

> > They are only minorities by name.

> > Who has the guts to sell them goods and then take out

> > money from them ? At least I dont have.

> > Because they have Bhais all around.

> > They have proper connections,political clout and in police too.

> > Who has the guts in India our own country, to walk in their areas

> > with a red tika (Tilak)on the forehaead ? At least I dont have.

> > So who is minority ?

> > If we do arati and they object,we can do nothing but

> > pack up and go home.

> > Why ? Is this not my country ?

> > The constitution has to be changed so that they are not allowed to

> > cast their votes or form groups or protest unless some injustice

is

> > done or except for religious purposes. That much of secularism

should

> > definitely be allowed.

> > I also agree that Vande Materam should not be forced, but should

come

> > from all, within.

> > About Ram Mandir . Why shouldnt it be made ?

> > But after living in this country for so many years even I have

become

> > little secular. I would certainly not wish the mandir to be made

by

> > removing another religious structure or hurting sentiments of any

> > other religion. I am not for that.

> >

> > But if we do not voice our religion, our Bhajans,our devotional

songs,

> > our Aratis in this country, then where ? Which is our country

then ?

> > Why is this country made into a Dharamshala. Nepal too has become

> > a blot now because of entry of these criminals. At least uptil few

> > years back I was happy that in Nepal I fill find a place

> > which would be totally Hindu. But no more.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >>

> >> dear bhaskarji,

> >> ur observation of human weak mind is absolutely

> >> correct. Many times I observe Sri.Prashant has a

> >> fanatical approach of our religion which shouldnt be

> >> there. our religion is known for tolerance and that's

> >> one of the reason nowhere in the world u will find

> >> such diversified people with different caste, religion

> >> still exist as one. It is unfortunate political

> >> parties whether it is congress or BJP they always use

> >> this communal card to retain power. Classical example

> >> is singing of vande matram. everybody would have

> >> sung(including muslims) had they not made it

> >> mandatory. It is only after demolition of Babri masjid

> >> so much of communal terror activities are taking place

> >> which isnt good to the society. I am of the opinion

> >> that Lord Rama wouldnt insist that the temple should

> >> be constructed only at the site of Babri masjid. there

> >> was a clipping in this NDTV and other channels ie we

> >> want good roads and not singing, i think we have to

> >> add govt should provide good quality of life rather

> >> than wasting there time in such trivia.

> >> coming to ur query reg funds of tirupathi, to the best

> >> of my knowledge it is controlled by TTD, and the funds

> >> are best used by providing good roads, accomodation

> >> facilities, educational facilities for the locals.

> >>

> >> with good wishes,

> >> k.gopu

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

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[Guest guest]

dear bhaskarji,

I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

things to be learnt from western countries and many

bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

phones and they give instructions during take of to

switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

given in our country. Our primary objective must be

to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

parliament at London when independence was given to

our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

200 years for them to understand politics and enter

the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

independence

 

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear sri prafulla,

astrology cannot be delinked from religion and mundane

astrology is part of it. so we have to go thro this

and if something good comes out for the society, we

will have the greatest satisfaction. anyway this is my

opinion and i dont want the same to be accepted by

all.

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

I agree with your views.

But should remind you that Indians in the real sense from good

families will never behave the way they did in the flight.

The whole world knows who they were.(Only one group)

It was because of them and their not listening to staff

on board that all Indians were put to shame. I would

go so far to say that we need dictatorship in this

country and if I were the one, I would have banned these

12 great Indians from travelling abroad for life, so that

next time no other Indian would have dared to misbehave in

international territory.This attitude of theirs is reflected

in all their doings in day to day life and behaviour patterns

too, which has to be changed to make the world a better

place to live in. I would put all of these in one category

and name them as FRI (Foreign residents living in India).

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear bhaskarji,

> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> parliament at London when independence was given to

> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> independence

>

> with good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopuji,

 

You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

good people like you live. So might be that you have not been witness

to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are away

from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot of

fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with this

fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect me to

have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

 

By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their place in

our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone to

bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two times

India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East portion

they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu. Any plot

with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would suffer. We

see whole India suffering today because of our North east. where God

should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more innocents.

 

By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of this

country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted. Because a

well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

bearings has been planned out in this country even after

Independence, what to say before that.

 

Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all of us

trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own so

called Indians living in this country.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear bhaskarji,

> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> parliament at London when independence was given to

> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> independence

>

> with good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopuji,

 

10-12 years back, the mother of terrorist attacks by RDX in use was .

done just three buildings away from where I live in Worli.

1200 people died in this area itself and the media mentioned 300.

( I came to know just last year that the Govt.had granted money to

all those whose houses had broken, but we never knew, it seems that

the money must have been showed paid to us in books and file closed)

It was called by the papers as mother of all bombs.All the buildings

within 300 metres radius had all the glass panes and anything made of

glass totally shattered to pieces. The third building from where I

live,was bent like a weak shrub in a curved shape when storms

come,the same shape this building took.And its a five floor strong

building built 50 years back. That scene no one can forget in his

life once he has seen it.That was the first terrorist strike

witnessed by India and it was the first among a chain that day in

Bombay.

We have witnessed many since then in this city, in trains (recently )

and before too, in buses, near Share Market, near Mumbadevi temple.

My office is just 10 minutes away from Mumbadevi temple at princess

street near Marine Drive.

3 weeks ago in the train blasts my father had just passed that area

10 minutes ago. When the Bomb was blasted at Gateway of India, just 2

minutes away my daughter goes every week to attend foreign language

classes.See Sir, everyone staying here has been affected somehow or

the other directly or indirectly, I am not being hyper. We have

had enough. We have to keep TV on the whole day, God knows from where

some bad news may come, before going out of the house we have to

check the news channelon TV whether all areas are okay or not, hoping

that no local bad news in any area is there.

 

So Sir, You cannot blame me for being what I am today.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Gopuji,

>

> You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

witness

> to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are away

> from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot of

> fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with this

> fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect me

to

> have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

>

> By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their place

in

> our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone to

> bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two times

> India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

portion

> they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu. Any

plot

> with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would suffer.

We

> see whole India suffering today because of our North east. where

God

> should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more innocents.

>

> By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of

this

> country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted. Because

a

> well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> Independence, what to say before that.

>

> Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all of us

> trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own so

> called Indians living in this country.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >

> > dear bhaskarji,

> > I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> > and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> > declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> > never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> > basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> > seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> > things to be learnt from western countries and many

> > bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> > detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> > when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> > phones and they give instructions during take of to

> > switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> > radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> > whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> > given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> > to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> > I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> > parliament at London when independence was given to

> > our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> > handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> > 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> > the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> > by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> > the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> > buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> > independence

> >

> > with good wishes,

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

 

How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or naxal movement, which are threat to internal security.

 

I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult for domestic issues of our country.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

************************************************

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

>

> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

>

> Dear Gopuji,

>

> You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> good people like you live. So might be that you have not been witness

> to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are away

> from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot of

> fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with this

> fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect me to

> have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

>

> By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their place in

> our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone to

> bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two times

> India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East portion

> they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu. Any plot

> with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would suffer. We

> see whole India suffering today because of our North east. where God

> should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more innocents.

>

> By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of this

> country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted. Because a

> well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> Independence, what to say before that.

>

> Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all of us

> trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own so

> called Indians living in this country.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>>

>> dear bhaskarji,

>> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

>> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

>> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

>> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

>> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

>> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

>> things to be learnt from western countries and many

>> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

>> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

>> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

>> phones and they give instructions during take of to

>> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

>> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

>> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

>> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

>> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

>> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

>> parliament at London when independence was given to

>> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

>> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

>> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

>> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

>> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

>> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

>> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

>> independence

>>

>> with good wishes,

>> k.gopu

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

 

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Shgri Prafullaji,

 

Religion has direct connection to Fear or creating fear in people.

Religion is the direct contributor for making certain people becoming

fearless and committing fearful aytrocities on innocents and putting

fear in the people, and at the same time reilgion is also direct

contributor for putting fear in good humans we see, to avoid them

into committing such actions as above or even such thoughts forming

in their mind.

 

!) Certain people following certain religions dont mind feeding

animals for some time and then cutting them

and eating them too, while certain people from certain religions who

feed people or animals for some time would treat them as "Atithi

devam bhayo" and would treat those whom they feed as venered guests

in their house.

Like many devout Jains too would not even wear slippers or shoes

while going for darshan to their temples in morning or evening walk

to the temple lest they unintentionally kill insects on the road with

their footwear on.

Comment - would not the first category have no pain when they cut

down other fellow humans while the other category

would not even think in this manner.Would the first category have any

fear when they see blood ? No they

have already seen enough to have fear.

 

2) Some religions would allow their men to marry even first cousins

and step mothers. While others from other

religions would not allow that even in the remotest dreams. In some

places even if the Gotra is same and boys and girls are less in the

Gotra fold, yet they will not marry within but go for inter marriage.

Comment - Why because they have fear ?

Would the first category have fear in raping or abusing or spoiling

th modesty of any women ?

 

3) In some religions Non-veg is allowed, while in others not allowed.

Does not feeding on Tamas food make

a person fearless and cruel while feeding on vegeterian make a person

Sattwik and fearful ? For example

I do not eat even cakes made from eggs. or for that matter pastries

too.

Comment - Why ? because eating flesh is not

what my religion has taught or eating eggs is like eating a unborn

child. Would there be no difference bewteen me and the other category

when it comes down to cutting flesh ? Would i be able to do it ? No.

 

4) In some religions they show the way to forgive and forget . Have

you not known the story of Prithviraj Chauhan who

captured his adversay 16 times, but each time had pity and left him ?

while in some religions if they catch their adversary even once they

will blind him and finish him.

Commment -1) from where was the fear formed not to harm the

adversary and from where was the fearlessness

formed not to leave the adversary once caught ?

 

5) In some religions people would imprisonment their own fathers to

have the throne/business empire,

while in others it would be sacrilgeous to even think so.Father and

mother are like God for them.

comment - is the fear not inbuilt of committing wrong from

childhood ? and was not the fearlessness

in the other case also not from childhood as seen in ancestors case

too.

 

6) in some religions the followers have fear even if they see a

deadrat on the road will walk

past the other side with face turned the other way. while in some

religions the followers have seen

flesh from morning to night, dusk to dawn, sunrise to sunset,

Comment- does not the religion teach fear or fearlessness of dead

flesh/meat ?

what would these fearless mind to see hundreds of bodies scattered

here and there with some hands missing, some legs missings,some heads

blown up,somes bottom blown up. somes upper torso missing, somes

lower.

 

7) In some religions they teach you that "Do unto others as You would

have them do unto you"

or show the other cheek also when you get a slap on one cheek.

while in others , even a person who is from other religion is called

infidel, and a word here and there

if uttered will prove his death knell.

Comment- does notthe religion teach this ? To put fear ?

 

Anyway I can write a book on this.

Frankly speaking no religion is bad. Its only the people individually

who are good and bad.

People who are really religious will not commit fearful acts and

would allow their neighbours to live

fearlessly and peacefully. So in the ultimate analysis religion does

not count.

But yes it does count for characteristics, instincts, mind set,

habits, thought process and also

behaviour patterns, alongwith personality traits be it physical or on

mental level.

 

sorry, made it little long.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

>

> How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or naxal

movement, which are threat to internal security.

>

> I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult for

domestic issues of our country.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

> >

> > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

> >

> > Dear Gopuji,

> >

> > You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> > good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

witness

> > to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are away

> > from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> > brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot of

> > fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with

this

> > fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect me

to

> > have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

> >

> > By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their

place in

> > our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone to

> > bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two times

> > India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

portion

> > they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu. Any

plot

> > with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would

suffer. We

> > see whole India suffering today because of our North east. where

God

> > should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> > training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more innocents.

> >

> > By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of

this

> > country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> > like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted.

Because a

> > well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> > bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> > Independence, what to say before that.

> >

> > Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all of

us

> > trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own so

> > called Indians living in this country.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >>

> >> dear bhaskarji,

> >> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> >> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> >> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> >> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> >> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> >> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> >> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> >> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> >> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> >> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> >> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> >> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> >> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> >> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> >> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> >> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> >> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> >> parliament at London when independence was given to

> >> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> >> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> >> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> >> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> >> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> >> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> >> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> >> independence

> >>

> >> with good wishes,

> >> k.gopu

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Sir,

 

The finest and recent example of religion creating fear in people, is

those 12 passengers of the same religion who were taken off board and

put in custody and kept in seclusion till the suspicion was cleared.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

>

> How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or naxal

movement, which are threat to internal security.

>

> I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult for

domestic issues of our country.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

> >

> > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

> >

> > Dear Gopuji,

> >

> > You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> > good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

witness

> > to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are away

> > from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> > brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot of

> > fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with

this

> > fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect me

to

> > have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

> >

> > By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their

place in

> > our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone to

> > bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two times

> > India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

portion

> > they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu. Any

plot

> > with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would

suffer. We

> > see whole India suffering today because of our North east. where

God

> > should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> > training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more innocents.

> >

> > By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of

this

> > country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> > like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted.

Because a

> > well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> > bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> > Independence, what to say before that.

> >

> > Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all of

us

> > trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own so

> > called Indians living in this country.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >>

> >> dear bhaskarji,

> >> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> >> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> >> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> >> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> >> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> >> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> >> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> >> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> >> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> >> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> >> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> >> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> >> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> >> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> >> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> >> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> >> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> >> parliament at London when independence was given to

> >> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> >> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> >> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> >> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> >> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> >> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> >> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> >> independence

> >>

> >> with good wishes,

> >> k.gopu

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

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Sir,

 

The Sikhs too have to keep long hair and turban and beard as per

their religion, which is creating fear in UK london and elsewhere

in other countries, They are being targetted as followers of Osama

Bin Laden, for no fault of theirs , but only because

of their religions dictum, fear is possessed by foreigners who

may have no knowledge of Sikhism as much as we have.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Shgri Prafullaji,

>

> Religion has direct connection to Fear or creating fear in people.

> Religion is the direct contributor for making certain people

becoming

> fearless and committing fearful aytrocities on innocents and

putting

> fear in the people, and at the same time reilgion is also direct

> contributor for putting fear in good humans we see, to avoid them

> into committing such actions as above or even such thoughts forming

> in their mind.

>

> !) Certain people following certain religions dont mind feeding

> animals for some time and then cutting them

> and eating them too, while certain people from certain religions

who

> feed people or animals for some time would treat them as "Atithi

> devam bhayo" and would treat those whom they feed as venered guests

> in their house.

> Like many devout Jains too would not even wear slippers or shoes

> while going for darshan to their temples in morning or evening walk

> to the temple lest they unintentionally kill insects on the road

with

> their footwear on.

> Comment - would not the first category have no pain when they cut

> down other fellow humans while the other category

> would not even think in this manner.Would the first category have

any

> fear when they see blood ? No they

> have already seen enough to have fear.

>

> 2) Some religions would allow their men to marry even first cousins

> and step mothers. While others from other

> religions would not allow that even in the remotest dreams. In some

> places even if the Gotra is same and boys and girls are less in the

> Gotra fold, yet they will not marry within but go for inter

marriage.

> Comment - Why because they have fear ?

> Would the first category have fear in raping or abusing or spoiling

> th modesty of any women ?

>

> 3) In some religions Non-veg is allowed, while in others not

allowed.

> Does not feeding on Tamas food make

> a person fearless and cruel while feeding on vegeterian make a

person

> Sattwik and fearful ? For example

> I do not eat even cakes made from eggs. or for that matter pastries

> too.

> Comment - Why ? because eating flesh is not

> what my religion has taught or eating eggs is like eating a unborn

> child. Would there be no difference bewteen me and the other

category

> when it comes down to cutting flesh ? Would i be able to do it ? No.

>

> 4) In some religions they show the way to forgive and forget . Have

> you not known the story of Prithviraj Chauhan who

> captured his adversay 16 times, but each time had pity and left

him ?

> while in some religions if they catch their adversary even once

they

> will blind him and finish him.

> Commment -1) from where was the fear formed not to harm the

> adversary and from where was the fearlessness

> formed not to leave the adversary once caught ?

>

> 5) In some religions people would imprisonment their own fathers to

> have the throne/business empire,

> while in others it would be sacrilgeous to even think so.Father and

> mother are like God for them.

> comment - is the fear not inbuilt of committing wrong from

> childhood ? and was not the fearlessness

> in the other case also not from childhood as seen in ancestors case

> too.

>

> 6) in some religions the followers have fear even if they see a

> deadrat on the road will walk

> past the other side with face turned the other way. while in some

> religions the followers have seen

> flesh from morning to night, dusk to dawn, sunrise to sunset,

> Comment- does not the religion teach fear or fearlessness of dead

> flesh/meat ?

> what would these fearless mind to see hundreds of bodies scattered

> here and there with some hands missing, some legs missings,some

heads

> blown up,somes bottom blown up. somes upper torso missing, somes

> lower.

>

> 7) In some religions they teach you that "Do unto others as You

would

> have them do unto you"

> or show the other cheek also when you get a slap on one cheek.

> while in others , even a person who is from other religion is

called

> infidel, and a word here and there

> if uttered will prove his death knell.

> Comment- does notthe religion teach this ? To put fear ?

>

> Anyway I can write a book on this.

> Frankly speaking no religion is bad. Its only the people

individually

> who are good and bad.

> People who are really religious will not commit fearful acts and

> would allow their neighbours to live

> fearlessly and peacefully. So in the ultimate analysis religion

does

> not count.

> But yes it does count for characteristics, instincts, mind set,

> habits, thought process and also

> behaviour patterns, alongwith personality traits be it physical or

on

> mental level.

>

> sorry, made it little long.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

> >

> > How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or naxal

> movement, which are threat to internal security.

> >

> > I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult

for

> domestic issues of our country.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

> instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

> expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

> which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> > >

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

> > >

> > > Dear Gopuji,

> > >

> > > You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> > > good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

> witness

> > > to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are

away

> > > from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> > > brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot

of

> > > fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with

> this

> > > fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect

me

> to

> > > have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

> > >

> > > By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their

> place in

> > > our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone

to

> > > bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two

times

> > > India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

> portion

> > > they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu.

Any

> plot

> > > with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would

> suffer. We

> > > see whole India suffering today because of our North east.

where

> God

> > > should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> > > training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more

innocents.

> > >

> > > By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of

> this

> > > country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> > > like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted.

> Because a

> > > well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> > > bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> > > Independence, what to say before that.

> > >

> > > Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all

of

> us

> > > trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own

so

> > > called Indians living in this country.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@>

wrote:

> > >>

> > >> dear bhaskarji,

> > >> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> > >> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> > >> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> > >> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> > >> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> > >> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> > >> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> > >> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> > >> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> > >> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> > >> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> > >> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> > >> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> > >> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> > >> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> > >> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> > >> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> > >> parliament at London when independence was given to

> > >> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> > >> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> > >> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> > >> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> > >> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> > >> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> > >> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> > >> independence

> > >>

> > >> with good wishes,

> > >> k.gopu

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

Really it was little long.

God bless

Shashi Shekhar

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Shgri Prafullaji,

 

Religion has direct connection to Fear or creating fear in people.

Religion is the direct contributor for making certain people becoming

fearless and committing fearful aytrocities on innocents and putting

fear in the people, and at the same time reilgion is also direct

contributor for putting fear in good humans we see, to avoid them

into committing such actions as above or even such thoughts forming

in their mind.

 

!) Certain people following certain religions dont mind feeding

animals for some time and then cutting them

and eating them too, while certain people from certain religions who

feed people or animals for some time would treat them as "Atithi

devam bhayo" and would treat those whom they feed as venered guests

in their house.

Like many devout Jains too would not even wear slippers or shoes

while going for darshan to their temples in morning or evening walk

to the temple lest they unintentionally kill insects on the road with

their footwear on.

Comment - would not the first category have no pain when they cut

down other fellow humans while the other category

would not even think in this manner.Would the first category have any

fear when they see blood ? No they

have already seen enough to have fear.

 

2) Some religions would allow their men to marry even first cousins

and step mothers. While others from other

religions would not allow that even in the remotest dreams. In some

places even if the Gotra is same and boys and girls are less in the

Gotra fold, yet they will not marry within but go for inter marriage.

Comment - Why because they have fear ?

Would the first category have fear in raping or abusing or spoiling

th modesty of any women ?

 

3) In some religions Non-veg is allowed, while in others not allowed.

Does not feeding on Tamas food make

a person fearless and cruel while feeding on vegeterian make a person

Sattwik and fearful ? For example

I do not eat even cakes made from eggs. or for that matter pastries

too.

Comment - Why ? because eating flesh is not

what my religion has taught or eating eggs is like eating a unborn

child. Would there be no difference bewteen me and the other category

when it comes down to cutting flesh ? Would i be able to do it ? No.

 

4) In some religions they show the way to forgive and forget . Have

you not known the story of Prithviraj Chauhan who

captured his adversay 16 times, but each time had pity and left him ?

while in some religions if they catch their adversary even once they

will blind him and finish him.

Commment -1) from where was the fear formed not to harm the

adversary and from where was the fearlessness

formed not to leave the adversary once caught ?

 

5) In some religions people would imprisonment their own fathers to

have the throne/business empire,

while in others it would be sacrilgeous to even think so.Father and

mother are like God for them.

comment - is the fear not inbuilt of committing wrong from

childhood ? and was not the fearlessness

in the other case also not from childhood as seen in ancestors case

too.

 

6) in some religions the followers have fear even if they see a

deadrat on the road will walk

past the other side with face turned the other way. while in some

religions the followers have seen

flesh from morning to night, dusk to dawn, sunrise to sunset,

Comment- does not the religion teach fear or fearlessness of dead

flesh/meat ?

what would these fearless mind to see hundreds of bodies scattered

here and there with some hands missing, some legs missings,some heads

blown up,somes bottom blown up. somes upper torso missing, somes

lower.

 

7) In some religions they teach you that "Do unto others as You would

have them do unto you"

or show the other cheek also when you get a slap on one cheek.

while in others , even a person who is from other religion is called

infidel, and a word here and there

if uttered will prove his death knell.

Comment- does notthe religion teach this ? To put fear ?

 

Anyway I can write a book on this.

Frankly speaking no religion is bad. Its only the people individually

who are good and bad.

People who are really religious will not commit fearful acts and

would allow their neighbours to live

fearlessly and peacefully. So in the ultimate analysis religion does

not count.

But yes it does count for characteristics, instincts, mind set,

habits, thought process and also

behaviour patterns, alongwith personality traits be it physical or on

mental level.

 

sorry, made it little long.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

>

> How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or naxal

movement, which are threat to internal security.

>

> I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult for

domestic issues of our country.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

> >

> > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

> >

> > Dear Gopuji,

> >

> > You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> > good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

witness

> > to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are away

> > from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> > brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot of

> > fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with

this

> > fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect me

to

> > have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

> >

> > By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their

place in

> > our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone to

> > bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two times

> > India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

portion

> > they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu. Any

plot

> > with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would

suffer. We

> > see whole India suffering today because of our North east. where

God

> > should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> > training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more innocents.

> >

> > By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of

this

> > country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> > like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted.

Because a

> > well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> > bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> > Independence, what to say before that.

> >

> > Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all of

us

> > trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own so

> > called Indians living in this country.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , K Gopu wrote:

> >>

> >> dear bhaskarji,

> >> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> >> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> >> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> >> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> >> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> >> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> >> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> >> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> >> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> >> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> >> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> >> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> >> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> >> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> >> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> >> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> >> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> >> parliament at London when independence was given to

> >> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> >> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> >> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> >> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> >> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> >> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> >> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> >> independence

> >>

> >> with good wishes,

> >> k.gopu

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

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[Guest guest]

Shashie Babu,

 

Ram Ram,

 

Bhai itni mehnat karke likha. Woh bhi to dekho.

Yes it was long.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Shashi Shekhar

<polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> Really it was little long.

>

> God bless

> Shashi Shekhar

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Shgri Prafullaji,

>

> Religion has direct connection to Fear or creating fear in people.

> Religion is the direct contributor for making certain people

becoming

> fearless and committing fearful aytrocities on innocents and

putting

> fear in the people, and at the same time reilgion is also direct

> contributor for putting fear in good humans we see, to avoid them

> into committing such actions as above or even such thoughts forming

> in their mind.

>

> !) Certain people following certain religions dont mind feeding

> animals for some time and then cutting them

> and eating them too, while certain people from certain religions

who

> feed people or animals for some time would treat them as "Atithi

> devam bhayo" and would treat those whom they feed as venered guests

> in their house.

> Like many devout Jains too would not even wear slippers or shoes

> while going for darshan to their temples in morning or evening walk

> to the temple lest they unintentionally kill insects on the road

with

> their footwear on.

> Comment - would not the first category have no pain when they cut

> down other fellow humans while the other category

> would not even think in this manner.Would the first category have

any

> fear when they see blood ? No they

> have already seen enough to have fear.

>

> 2) Some religions would allow their men to marry even first cousins

> and step mothers. While others from other

> religions would not allow that even in the remotest dreams. In some

> places even if the Gotra is same and boys and girls are less in the

> Gotra fold, yet they will not marry within but go for inter

marriage.

> Comment - Why because they have fear ?

> Would the first category have fear in raping or abusing or spoiling

> th modesty of any women ?

>

> 3) In some religions Non-veg is allowed, while in others not

allowed.

> Does not feeding on Tamas food make

> a person fearless and cruel while feeding on vegeterian make a

person

> Sattwik and fearful ? For example

> I do not eat even cakes made from eggs. or for that matter pastries

> too.

> Comment - Why ? because eating flesh is not

> what my religion has taught or eating eggs is like eating a unborn

> child. Would there be no difference bewteen me and the other

category

> when it comes down to cutting flesh ? Would i be able to do it ? No.

>

> 4) In some religions they show the way to forgive and forget . Have

> you not known the story of Prithviraj Chauhan who

> captured his adversay 16 times, but each time had pity and left

him ?

> while in some religions if they catch their adversary even once

they

> will blind him and finish him.

> Commment -1) from where was the fear formed not to harm the

> adversary and from where was the fearlessness

> formed not to leave the adversary once caught ?

>

> 5) In some religions people would imprisonment their own fathers to

> have the throne/business empire,

> while in others it would be sacrilgeous to even think so.Father and

> mother are like God for them.

> comment - is the fear not inbuilt of committing wrong from

> childhood ? and was not the fearlessness

> in the other case also not from childhood as seen in ancestors case

> too.

>

> 6) in some religions the followers have fear even if they see a

> deadrat on the road will walk

> past the other side with face turned the other way. while in some

> religions the followers have seen

> flesh from morning to night, dusk to dawn, sunrise to sunset,

> Comment- does not the religion teach fear or fearlessness of dead

> flesh/meat ?

> what would these fearless mind to see hundreds of bodies scattered

> here and there with some hands missing, some legs missings,some

heads

> blown up,somes bottom blown up. somes upper torso missing, somes

> lower.

>

> 7) In some religions they teach you that "Do unto others as You

would

> have them do unto you"

> or show the other cheek also when you get a slap on one cheek.

> while in others , even a person who is from other religion is

called

> infidel, and a word here and there

> if uttered will prove his death knell.

> Comment- does notthe religion teach this ? To put fear ?

>

> Anyway I can write a book on this.

> Frankly speaking no religion is bad. Its only the people

individually

> who are good and bad.

> People who are really religious will not commit fearful acts and

> would allow their neighbours to live

> fearlessly and peacefully. So in the ultimate analysis religion

does

> not count.

> But yes it does count for characteristics, instincts, mind set,

> habits, thought process and also

> behaviour patterns, alongwith personality traits be it physical or

on

> mental level.

>

> sorry, made it little long.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

> >

> > How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or naxal

> movement, which are threat to internal security.

> >

> > I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult

for

> domestic issues of our country.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

> instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

> expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

> which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> > >

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

> > >

> > > Dear Gopuji,

> > >

> > > You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> > > good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

> witness

> > > to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are

away

> > > from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> > > brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot

of

> > > fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with

> this

> > > fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect

me

> to

> > > have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

> > >

> > > By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their

> place in

> > > our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone

to

> > > bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two

times

> > > India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

> portion

> > > they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu.

Any

> plot

> > > with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would

> suffer. We

> > > see whole India suffering today because of our North east.

where

> God

> > > should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> > > training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more

innocents.

> > >

> > > By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of

> this

> > > country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> > > like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted.

> Because a

> > > well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> > > bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> > > Independence, what to say before that.

> > >

> > > Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all

of

> us

> > > trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own

so

> > > called Indians living in this country.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , K Gopu wrote:

> > >>

> > >> dear bhaskarji,

> > >> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> > >> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> > >> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> > >> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> > >> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> > >> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> > >> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> > >> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> > >> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> > >> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> > >> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> > >> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> > >> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> > >> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> > >> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> > >> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> > >> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> > >> parliament at London when independence was given to

> > >> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> > >> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> > >> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> > >> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> > >> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> > >> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> > >> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> > >> independence

> > >>

> > >> with good wishes,

> > >> k.gopu

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

> > __________

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> and music online!

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ll HARE RAM ll

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Really it was little long.

God bless

Shashi Shekhar

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Shgri Prafullaji,

 

Religion has direct connection to Fear or creating fear in people.

Religion is the direct contributor for making certain people becoming

fearless and committing fearful aytrocities on innocents and putting

fear in the people, and at the same time reilgion is also direct

contributor for putting fear in good humans we see, to avoid them

into committing such actions as above or even such thoughts forming

in their mind.

 

!) Certain people following certain religions dont mind feeding

animals for some time and then cutting them

and eating them too, while certain people from certain religions who

feed people or animals for some time would treat them as "Atithi

devam bhayo" and would treat those whom they feed as venered guests

in their house.

Like many devout Jains too would not even wear slippers or shoes

while going for darshan to their temples in morning or evening walk

to the temple lest they unintentionally kill insects on the road with

their footwear on.

Comment - would not the first category have no pain when they cut

down other fellow humans while the other category

would not even think in this manner.Would the first category have any

fear when they see blood ? No they

have already seen enough to have fear.

 

2) Some religions would allow their men to marry even first cousins

and step mothers. While others from other

religions would not allow that even in the remotest dreams. In some

places even if the Gotra is same and boys and girls are less in the

Gotra fold, yet they will not marry within but go for inter marriage.

Comment - Why because they have fear ?

Would the first category have fear in raping or abusing or spoiling

th modesty of any women ?

 

3) In some religions Non-veg is allowed, while in others not allowed.

Does not feeding on Tamas food make

a person fearless and cruel while feeding on vegeterian make a person

Sattwik and fearful ? For example

I do not eat even cakes made from eggs. or for that matter pastries

too.

Comment - Why ? because eating flesh is not

what my religion has taught or eating eggs is like eating a unborn

child. Would there be no difference bewteen me and the other category

when it comes down to cutting flesh ? Would i be able to do it ? No.

 

4) In some religions they show the way to forgive and forget . Have

you not known the story of Prithviraj Chauhan who

captured his adversay 16 times, but each time had pity and left him ?

while in some religions if they catch their adversary even once they

will blind him and finish him.

Commment -1) from where was the fear formed not to harm the

adversary and from where was the fearlessness

formed not to leave the adversary once caught ?

 

5) In some religions people would imprisonment their own fathers to

have the throne/business empire,

while in others it would be sacrilgeous to even think so.Father and

mother are like God for them.

comment - is the fear not inbuilt of committing wrong from

childhood ? and was not the fearlessness

in the other case also not from childhood as seen in ancestors case

too.

 

6) in some religions the followers have fear even if they see a

deadrat on the road will walk

past the other side with face turned the other way. while in some

religions the followers have seen

flesh from morning to night, dusk to dawn, sunrise to sunset,

Comment- does not the religion teach fear or fearlessness of dead

flesh/meat ?

what would these fearless mind to see hundreds of bodies scattered

here and there with some hands missing, some legs missings,some heads

blown up,somes bottom blown up. somes upper torso missing, somes

lower.

 

7) In some religions they teach you that "Do unto others as You would

have them do unto you"

or show the other cheek also when you get a slap on one cheek.

while in others , even a person who is from other religion is called

infidel, and a word here and there

if uttered will prove his death knell.

Comment- does notthe religion teach this ? To put fear ?

 

Anyway I can write a book on this.

Frankly speaking no religion is bad. Its only the people individually

who are good and bad.

People who are really religious will not commit fearful acts and

would allow their neighbours to live

fearlessly and peacefully. So in the ultimate analysis religion does

not count.

But yes it does count for characteristics, instincts, mind set,

habits, thought process and also

behaviour patterns, alongwith personality traits be it physical or on

mental level.

 

sorry, made it little long.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

>

> How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or naxal

movement, which are threat to internal security.

>

> I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult for

domestic issues of our country.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

> >

> > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

> >

> > Dear Gopuji,

> >

> > You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> > good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

witness

> > to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are away

> > from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> > brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot of

> > fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with

this

> > fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect me

to

> > have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

> >

> > By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their

place in

> > our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone to

> > bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two times

> > India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

portion

> > they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu. Any

plot

> > with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would

suffer. We

> > see whole India suffering today because of our North east. where

God

> > should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> > training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more innocents.

> >

> > By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of

this

> > country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> > like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted.

Because a

> > well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> > bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> > Independence, what to say before that.

> >

> > Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all of

us

> > trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own so

> > called Indians living in this country.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , K Gopu wrote:

> >>

> >> dear bhaskarji,

> >> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> >> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> >> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> >> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> >> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> >> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> >> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> >> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> >> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> >> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> >> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> >> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> >> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> >> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> >> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> >> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> >> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> >> parliament at London when independence was given to

> >> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> >> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> >> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> >> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> >> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> >> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> >> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> >> independence

> >>

> >> with good wishes,

> >> k.gopu

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

> __________

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[Guest guest]

ll HARE RAM ll

Dear Bhaskar ji,

I always appreciate your dedication and hard work.It was the matter of humour merely.Any way how are you?

God bless

Shashi Shekhar

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Shashie Babu,

 

Ram Ram,

 

Bhai itni mehnat karke likha. Woh bhi to dekho.

Yes it was long.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Shashi Shekhar

 

wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> Really it was little long.

>

> God bless

> Shashi Shekhar

>

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> Shgri Prafullaji,

>

> Religion has direct connection to Fear or creating fear in people.

> Religion is the direct contributor for making certain people

becoming

> fearless and committing fearful aytrocities on innocents and

putting

> fear in the people, and at the same time reilgion is also direct

> contributor for putting fear in good humans we see, to avoid them

> into committing such actions as above or even such thoughts forming

> in their mind.

>

> !) Certain people following certain religions dont mind feeding

> animals for some time and then cutting them

> and eating them too, while certain people from certain religions

who

> feed people or animals for some time would treat them as "Atithi

> devam bhayo" and would treat those whom they feed as venered guests

> in their house.

> Like many devout Jains too would not even wear slippers or shoes

> while going for darshan to their temples in morning or evening walk

> to the temple lest they unintentionally kill insects on the road

with

> their footwear on.

> Comment - would not the first category have no pain when they cut

> down other fellow humans while the other category

> would not even think in this manner.Would the first category have

any

> fear when they see blood ? No they

> have already seen enough to have fear.

>

> 2) Some religions would allow their men to marry even first cousins

> and step mothers. While others from other

> religions would not allow that even in the remotest dreams. In some

> places even if the Gotra is same and boys and girls are less in the

> Gotra fold, yet they will not marry within but go for inter

marriage.

> Comment - Why because they have fear ?

> Would the first category have fear in raping or abusing or spoiling

> th modesty of any women ?

>

> 3) In some religions Non-veg is allowed, while in others not

allowed.

> Does not feeding on Tamas food make

> a person fearless and cruel while feeding on vegeterian make a

person

> Sattwik and fearful ? For example

> I do not eat even cakes made from eggs. or for that matter pastries

> too.

> Comment - Why ? because eating flesh is not

> what my religion has taught or eating eggs is like eating a unborn

> child. Would there be no difference bewteen me and the other

category

> when it comes down to cutting flesh ? Would i be able to do it ? No.

>

> 4) In some religions they show the way to forgive and forget . Have

> you not known the story of Prithviraj Chauhan who

> captured his adversay 16 times, but each time had pity and left

him ?

> while in some religions if they catch their adversary even once

they

> will blind him and finish him.

> Commment -1) from where was the fear formed not to harm the

> adversary and from where was the fearlessness

> formed not to leave the adversary once caught ?

>

> 5) In some religions people would imprisonment their own fathers to

> have the throne/business empire,

> while in others it would be sacrilgeous to even think so.Father and

> mother are like God for them.

> comment - is the fear not inbuilt of committing wrong from

> childhood ? and was not the fearlessness

> in the other case also not from childhood as seen in ancestors case

> too.

>

> 6) in some religions the followers have fear even if they see a

> deadrat on the road will walk

> past the other side with face turned the other way. while in some

> religions the followers have seen

> flesh from morning to night, dusk to dawn, sunrise to sunset,

> Comment- does not the religion teach fear or fearlessness of dead

> flesh/meat ?

> what would these fearless mind to see hundreds of bodies scattered

> here and there with some hands missing, some legs missings,some

heads

> blown up,somes bottom blown up. somes upper torso missing, somes

> lower.

>

> 7) In some religions they teach you that "Do unto others as You

would

> have them do unto you"

> or show the other cheek also when you get a slap on one cheek.

> while in others , even a person who is from other religion is

called

> infidel, and a word here and there

> if uttered will prove his death knell.

> Comment- does notthe religion teach this ? To put fear ?

>

> Anyway I can write a book on this.

> Frankly speaking no religion is bad. Its only the people

individually

> who are good and bad.

> People who are really religious will not commit fearful acts and

> would allow their neighbours to live

> fearlessly and peacefully. So in the ultimate analysis religion

does

> not count.

> But yes it does count for characteristics, instincts, mind set,

> habits, thought process and also

> behaviour patterns, alongwith personality traits be it physical or

on

> mental level.

>

> sorry, made it little long.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

> >

> > How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or naxal

> movement, which are threat to internal security.

> >

> > I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult

for

> domestic issues of our country.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

> instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

> expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

> which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> > >

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

> > >

> > > Dear Gopuji,

> > >

> > > You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> > > good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

> witness

> > > to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are

away

> > > from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> > > brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a lot

of

> > > fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live with

> this

> > > fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot expect

me

> to

> > > have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

> > >

> > > By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their

> place in

> > > our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put anyone

to

> > > bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two

times

> > > India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

> portion

> > > they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu.

Any

> plot

> > > with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would

> suffer. We

> > > see whole India suffering today because of our North east.

where

> God

> > > should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> > > training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more

innocents.

> > >

> > > By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people of

> this

> > > country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing looks

> > > like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted.

> Because a

> > > well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> > > bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> > > Independence, what to say before that.

> > >

> > > Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all

of

> us

> > > trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our own

so

> > > called Indians living in this country.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , K Gopu wrote:

> > >>

> > >> dear bhaskarji,

> > >> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> > >> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> > >> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> > >> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> > >> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> > >> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> > >> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> > >> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> > >> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> > >> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> > >> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> > >> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> > >> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> > >> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> > >> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> > >> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> > >> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> > >> parliament at London when independence was given to

> > >> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> > >> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> > >> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> > >> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> > >> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> > >> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> > >> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> > >> independence

> > >>

> > >> with good wishes,

> > >> k.gopu

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

> > __________

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shri Sashie Babu, "RAM RAM "

 

Even I was doing humour only.

 

Such discussions as presented since last 1-2 days may on the face of

it look like criticsm, but if anyone goes deeper ,the good points too

of all religions come out. Bad things everyone knows,but we have seen

so many good posts showing the better side of other relgions,their

followers and our Godmen too in last two days,so many

misunderstandings too have been cleared, misconceptions cleared,

modern day saints being better understood now, all

this comes when healthy discussion is done and all participate.

Otherwise it is a one to one show between two parties only.

 

Shashie Bhai, I am fine, considering what my worth is,

God has given me many times over.

 

Thanks for your good concern always,

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, Shashi Shekhar

<polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> I always appreciate your dedication and hard work.It was the

matter of humour merely.Any way how are you?

>

> God bless

> Shashi Shekhar

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Shashie Babu,

>

> Ram Ram,

>

> Bhai itni mehnat karke likha. Woh bhi to dekho.

> Yes it was long.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , Shashi Shekhar

>

> wrote:

> >

> > ll HARE RAM ll

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > Really it was little long.

> >

> > God bless

> > Shashi Shekhar

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > Shgri Prafullaji,

> >

> > Religion has direct connection to Fear or creating fear in people.

> > Religion is the direct contributor for making certain people

> becoming

> > fearless and committing fearful aytrocities on innocents and

> putting

> > fear in the people, and at the same time reilgion is also direct

> > contributor for putting fear in good humans we see, to avoid them

> > into committing such actions as above or even such thoughts

forming

> > in their mind.

> >

> > !) Certain people following certain religions dont mind feeding

> > animals for some time and then cutting them

> > and eating them too, while certain people from certain religions

> who

> > feed people or animals for some time would treat them as "Atithi

> > devam bhayo" and would treat those whom they feed as venered

guests

> > in their house.

> > Like many devout Jains too would not even wear slippers or shoes

> > while going for darshan to their temples in morning or evening

walk

> > to the temple lest they unintentionally kill insects on the road

> with

> > their footwear on.

> > Comment - would not the first category have no pain when they cut

> > down other fellow humans while the other category

> > would not even think in this manner.Would the first category have

> any

> > fear when they see blood ? No they

> > have already seen enough to have fear.

> >

> > 2) Some religions would allow their men to marry even first

cousins

> > and step mothers. While others from other

> > religions would not allow that even in the remotest dreams. In

some

> > places even if the Gotra is same and boys and girls are less in

the

> > Gotra fold, yet they will not marry within but go for inter

> marriage.

> > Comment - Why because they have fear ?

> > Would the first category have fear in raping or abusing or

spoiling

> > th modesty of any women ?

> >

> > 3) In some religions Non-veg is allowed, while in others not

> allowed.

> > Does not feeding on Tamas food make

> > a person fearless and cruel while feeding on vegeterian make a

> person

> > Sattwik and fearful ? For example

> > I do not eat even cakes made from eggs. or for that matter

pastries

> > too.

> > Comment - Why ? because eating flesh is not

> > what my religion has taught or eating eggs is like eating a

unborn

> > child. Would there be no difference bewteen me and the other

> category

> > when it comes down to cutting flesh ? Would i be able to do it ?

No.

> >

> > 4) In some religions they show the way to forgive and forget .

Have

> > you not known the story of Prithviraj Chauhan who

> > captured his adversay 16 times, but each time had pity and left

> him ?

> > while in some religions if they catch their adversary even once

> they

> > will blind him and finish him.

> > Commment -1) from where was the fear formed not to harm the

> > adversary and from where was the fearlessness

> > formed not to leave the adversary once caught ?

> >

> > 5) In some religions people would imprisonment their own fathers

to

> > have the throne/business empire,

> > while in others it would be sacrilgeous to even think so.Father

and

> > mother are like God for them.

> > comment - is the fear not inbuilt of committing wrong from

> > childhood ? and was not the fearlessness

> > in the other case also not from childhood as seen in ancestors

case

> > too.

> >

> > 6) in some religions the followers have fear even if they see a

> > deadrat on the road will walk

> > past the other side with face turned the other way. while in some

> > religions the followers have seen

> > flesh from morning to night, dusk to dawn, sunrise to sunset,

> > Comment- does not the religion teach fear or fearlessness of dead

> > flesh/meat ?

> > what would these fearless mind to see hundreds of bodies

scattered

> > here and there with some hands missing, some legs missings,some

> heads

> > blown up,somes bottom blown up. somes upper torso missing, somes

> > lower.

> >

> > 7) In some religions they teach you that "Do unto others as You

> would

> > have them do unto you"

> > or show the other cheek also when you get a slap on one cheek.

> > while in others , even a person who is from other religion is

> called

> > infidel, and a word here and there

> > if uttered will prove his death knell.

> > Comment- does notthe religion teach this ? To put fear ?

> >

> > Anyway I can write a book on this.

> > Frankly speaking no religion is bad. Its only the people

> individually

> > who are good and bad.

> > People who are really religious will not commit fearful acts and

> > would allow their neighbours to live

> > fearlessly and peacefully. So in the ultimate analysis religion

> does

> > not count.

> > But yes it does count for characteristics, instincts, mind set,

> > habits, thought process and also

> > behaviour patterns, alongwith personality traits be it physical

or

> on

> > mental level.

> >

> > sorry, made it little long.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji / Gopu ji

> > >

> > > How is religion creating fear in people? It is terrorism or

naxal

> > movement, which are threat to internal security.

> > >

> > > I feel that, coming transit of saturn / ketu will be difficult

> for

> > domestic issues of our country.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

> > instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

> > expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

> > which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:44:32 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS

Baba?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopuji,

> > > >

> > > > You are a good man and maybe living in a place where mostly

> > > > good people like you live. So might be that you have not been

> > witness

> > > > to what people like me see here in city like Bombay. You are

> away

> > > > from the dirt, but I know better. When children,father,mother,

> > > > brother, wife go out, till the time they dont come back , a

lot

> of

> > > > fear is there in mind. And this is for every day. To live

with

> > this

> > > > fear is too much for any normal person. Then you cannot

expect

> me

> > to

> > > > have very much nobler thoughts for these perpetrators.

> > > >

> > > > By making India a Hindu rashtra, all the rest will know their

> > place in

> > > > our society. Wea re not here to undermine anyone or put

anyone

> to

> > > > bottom. Just to remind them that once and once more ie. two

> times

> > > > India has been cut because of their behaviour. The North East

> > portion

> > > > they say is POK. You must be having some knowledge of Vastu.

> Any

> > plot

> > > > with its North east being put to rot, the whole plot would

> > suffer. We

> > > > see whole India suffering today because of our North east.

> where

> > God

> > > > should be placed, the murderers are moving scot free carrying

> > > > training camps and plotting new schemes to murder more

> innocents.

> > > >

> > > > By making India a Hindu rashtra at least the original people

of

> > this

> > > > country can call India as their home. as of Today nothing

looks

> > > > like home. We are more like guests over here and unwanted.

> > Because a

> > > > well thought out and executed plan to ruthlessly terminate our

> > > > bearings has been planned out in this country even after

> > > > Independence, what to say before that.

> > > >

> > > > Its time to rise now , before its too late. No meaning in all

> of

> > us

> > > > trying to look decent and good. before we are killed by our

own

> so

> > > > called Indians living in this country.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , K Gopu wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> dear bhaskarji,

> > > >> I appereciate ur sincere feelings towards or country

> > > >> and our rich culture. At this juncture even if we

> > > >> declare our country as a hindu country prosperity

> > > >> never ushers in, we have a very long way to go and

> > > >> basically our people arent disciplined and this i have

> > > >> seen when i had travelled abroad. there are many good

> > > >> things to be learnt from western countries and many

> > > >> bad things to be discarded. rEcently dutch govt had to

> > > >> detain a dozen indians from a flight on suspicion.

> > > >> when ur in a flight we are not supposed to use mobile

> > > >> phones and they give instructions during take of to

> > > >> switch it of because it will interfere with the flight

> > > >> radar signals. every westerner will obey it implicitly

> > > >> whereas our people have abused the excess freedom

> > > >> given in our country. Our primary objective must be

> > > >> to be a good citizen of this country. At this junture

> > > >> I am reminded of winston churchill's speech in the

> > > >> parliament at London when independence was given to

> > > >> our country. He vociferously opposed and said that "ur

> > > >> handing over the country to Men of straw, it will take

> > > >> 200 years for them to understand politics and enter

> > > >> the periphery of politics, the country will be ruined

> > > >> by rulers who will be vagabonds, rascals and rogues.

> > > >> the rulers will leave nothin untaxed" Today we are

> > > >> buying water for our domestic use after 57yrs of

> > > >> independence

> > > >>

> > > >> with good wishes,

> > > >> k.gopu

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

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> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

dear bhaskarji,

events surrounding us changes the attitude of the

person and that is exactly happening over at Mumbai or

any place where terror strikes. fortunately we havent

witnessed at chennai such terror activities though it

might have happened but not to the level of such

magnitude, it is here where Rajiv gandhi was killed by

bomb blast. It is quite sad to note that we are

surrounded by such terror activities making our lives

more miserable. We pray that this should come to an

end and an era of peace and prosperity shuld usher in.

 

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear prafullaji,

Sri.K.N>Rao was on Headlines TV where there was a

debate between the scientific heads and SriK.N>rao and

geologist Sri Venkatanathan of chennai reg predictions

of earthquake. SriK.N. Rao while concluding the debate

has said that Rahu & ketu transits will create more

problems for the country and that there will be a

change of Govt.

 

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes - political instability, mid term poll and change in government.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

************************************************

 

 

>

> kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:45:50 -0700 (PDT)

>

> RE: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS Baba?

>

> dear prafullaji,

> Sri.K.N>Rao was on Headlines TV where there was a

> debate between the scientific heads and SriK.N>rao and

> geologist Sri Venkatanathan of chennai reg predictions

> of earthquake. SriK.N. Rao while concluding the debate

> has said that Rahu & ketu transits will create more

> problems for the country and that there will be a

> change of Govt.

>

> with good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bravo! ;-)

 

RR

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Yes - political instability, mid term poll and change in government.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > kgopu_24

> > Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:45:50 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > RE: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word 11/9 on SSS

Baba?

> >

> > dear prafullaji,

> > Sri.K.N>Rao was on Headlines TV where there was a

> > debate between the scientific heads and SriK.N>rao and

> > geologist Sri Venkatanathan of chennai reg predictions

> > of earthquake. SriK.N. Rao while concluding the debate

> > has said that Rahu & ketu transits will create more

> > problems for the country and that there will be a

> > change of Govt.

> >

> > with good wishes,

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>