Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Dear Prafulla and Rishi, You both raise very important points and ask difficult questions. It is not just about different times, but also different cultures and religions to which we are applying ancient jyotish principles and interpretations, which were created within a 'homogenous' religio- cultural framework! Messages have been posted here and elsewhere by those who have experienced contact with different cultures etc that the same intrinsic principle underlying a 'prescribed' deity may be something to be considered. We often talk of faith and belief in the framework of remedies and worship. Perhaps not everyone is at the level where they worship a concept or essence but a concrete image, a concrete mental object, even though they think they are worshipping an icon- less, an idol-free religion! If one accepts the reality of there being an icon, an idol in another person's religious framework, one has only two choices: Stop considering that person as a fellow human or even a human being! Accept him or her and as soon as you do that, your primary belief becomes a turbulent lake, or at least perturbed waters. Absolutely tranquil, calm and homogeneous waters do not have waves, movements, and questions that show up as bubbles! Just musing ... , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Prafullaji, > A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a > different period of time. I think, it is for us to > cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the > classics. > D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as > D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra > oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma > as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for > me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My > dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, > it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. > The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. > > I agree with you that the meanings need to be > reappraised. > > regards > > rishi > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Rishi ji, > > > > On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has > > always been given most importance than other D > > charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects > > native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in > > modern perspective (with different challenges for > > rat race), should "assessment parameters" be > > redefined ? > > > > Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in > > guiding native for current life (understanably > > around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role > > becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native > > seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her > > energies for meeting karmic challenges (including > > for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of > > rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able > > match the pace of modern life. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and > > charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > > kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > > Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > result but not the purpose. > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > rishi_2000in > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > Another interesting point to be considered is that > > > while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are > > perhaps > > > the most malleable with current karmas. > > > If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > > > job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > > > he/she made to equip himself with the requisite > > skills > > > , the resources the querist has added to seek the > > > karma and the gain from Karma. > > > Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is > > to > > > suggest upgrading the skillsets. > > > Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade > > our > > > skillsets continuously.... > > > and what better a forum than this group! > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > > > >> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note > > by > > >> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > > >> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > > >> Sage Parashar did not include them for his > > remedial > > >> prescription. > > >> > > >> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > > >> greater insight into jyotish - but are our > > remedial > > >> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > > >> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > > >> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > > >> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are > > neither > > >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in > > disguise. > > >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > >> result but not the purpose. > > >> > > >> ************************************************ > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > > >> 10/9 > > >>> > > >>> Sir, > > >>> > > >>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > > >> prediction given to a > > >>> new/little old born childs parents, would be > > >> fatilistic, and all would > > >>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but > > in > > >> case > > >>> when you see a native with impending heart > > >> problems, or Shani sade > > >>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach > > would > > >> turn into a saviour > > >>> for these natives and help and prepare them by > > way > > >> of > > >>> starting remedial measures, much before the > > >> incident would happen, > > >>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with > > reference > > >> to astrology. > > >>> > > >>> regards, > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >>> , > > Prafulla > > >> Gang <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > >>>> > > >>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > > >> of Bhaskar ji). It > > >>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so > > nothing > > >> could change? - So > > >>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are > > >> fatalistic (will happen > > >>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > > >> measures. > > >>>> > > >>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, > > where > > >> he wondered, why > > >>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > > >> only for dharma and > > >>> moksha kona? > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > >> charity, if we do > > >>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > > >> charity but self- > > >>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as > > the > > >> wake of a boat, a > > >>> result but not the purpose. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > ************************************************ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > > >> word 10/9 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Prafulla, > > >>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > > >> realistic, western > > >>> astrology uses > > >>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > > >> karma and its > > >>> effect a > > >>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we > > >> have a leader, > > >>> king, don, > > >>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > > >> life so too our > > >>> evil time > > >>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective > > death > > >> , strife, > > >>> tragedy etc. > > >>>>> the Samohika karmaphala > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I had givne the instance of they young > > >> Shankaracharya here > > >>> sotme back > > >>>>> > > >>>>> in short again here > > >>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s > > to > > >> Tirumala hills a > > >>> bus > > >>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > > >> the tail end of the > > >>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance > > of > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Won't bore you erudite folks but icon-less religions are based on thoughts and concepts! Thought-forms are objects or ... what else is there? Even energy is the same as matter/object, science has shown! RR , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Prafulla and Rishi, > > You both raise very important points and ask difficult questions. > It is not just about different times, but also different cultures and > religions to which we are applying ancient jyotish principles and > interpretations, which were created within a 'homogenous' religio- > cultural framework! > > Messages have been posted here and elsewhere by those who have > experienced contact with different cultures etc that the same > intrinsic principle underlying a 'prescribed' deity may be something > to be considered. We often talk of faith and belief in the framework > of remedies and worship. Perhaps not everyone is at the level where > they worship a concept or essence but a concrete image, a concrete > mental object, even though they think they are worshipping an icon- > less, an idol-free religion! > > If one accepts the reality of there being an icon, an idol in another > person's religious framework, one has only two choices: > > Stop considering that person as a fellow human or even a human being! > > Accept him or her and as soon as you do that, your primary belief > becomes a turbulent lake, or at least perturbed waters. Absolutely > tranquil, calm and homogeneous waters do not have waves, movements, > and questions that show up as bubbles! > > Just musing ... > > , rishi shukla > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Prafullaji, > > A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a > > different period of time. I think, it is for us to > > cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the > > classics. > > D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as > > D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra > > oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma > > as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for > > me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My > > dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, > > it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. > > The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. > > > > I agree with you that the meanings need to be > > reappraised. > > > > regards > > > > rishi > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Rishi ji, > > > > > > On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has > > > always been given most importance than other D > > > charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects > > > native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in > > > modern perspective (with different challenges for > > > rat race), should "assessment parameters" be > > > redefined ? > > > > > > Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in > > > guiding native for current life (understanably > > > around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role > > > becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native > > > seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her > > > energies for meeting karmic challenges (including > > > for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of > > > rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able > > > match the pace of modern life. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > > > kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > > > Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi_2000in@ > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > Another interesting point to be considered is that > > > > while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are > > > perhaps > > > > the most malleable with current karmas. > > > > If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > > > > job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > > > > he/she made to equip himself with the requisite > > > skills > > > > , the resources the querist has added to seek the > > > > karma and the gain from Karma. > > > > Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is > > > to > > > > suggest upgrading the skillsets. > > > > Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade > > > our > > > > skillsets continuously.... > > > > and what better a forum than this group! > > > > regards > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note > > > by > > > >> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > > > >> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > > > >> Sage Parashar did not include them for his > > > remedial > > > >> prescription. > > > >> > > > >> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > > > >> greater insight into jyotish - but are our > > > remedial > > > >> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > > > >> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > > > >> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > > > >> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >> > > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are > > > neither > > > >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in > > > disguise. > > > >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > >> result but not the purpose. > > > >> > > > >> ************************************************ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > >>> > > > >>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > > > >> 10/9 > > > >>> > > > >>> Sir, > > > >>> > > > >>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > > > >> prediction given to a > > > >>> new/little old born childs parents, would be > > > >> fatilistic, and all would > > > >>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but > > > in > > > >> case > > > >>> when you see a native with impending heart > > > >> problems, or Shani sade > > > >>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach > > > would > > > >> turn into a saviour > > > >>> for these natives and help and prepare them by > > > way > > > >> of > > > >>> starting remedial measures, much before the > > > >> incident would happen, > > > >>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with > > > reference > > > >> to astrology. > > > >>> > > > >>> regards, > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > >>> , > > > Prafulla > > > >> Gang <jyotish@> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > > > >> of Bhaskar ji). It > > > >>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so > > > nothing > > > >> could change? - So > > > >>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are > > > >> fatalistic (will happen > > > >>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > > > >> measures. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, > > > where > > > >> he wondered, why > > > >>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > > > >> only for dharma and > > > >>> moksha kona? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > >> charity, if we do > > > >>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > > > >> charity but self- > > > >>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as > > > the > > > >> wake of a boat, a > > > >>> result but not the purpose. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > ************************************************ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> gbp_kumar@ > > > >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > > > >> word 10/9 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Prafulla, > > > >>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > > > >> realistic, western > > > >>> astrology uses > > > >>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > > > >> karma and its > > > >>> effect a > > > >>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we > > > >> have a leader, > > > >>> king, don, > > > >>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > > > >> life so too our > > > >>> evil time > > > >>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective > > > death > > > >> , strife, > > > >>> tragedy etc. > > > >>>>> the Samohika karmaphala > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I had givne the instance of they young > > > >> Shankaracharya here > > > >>> sotme back > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> in short again here > > > >>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s > > > to > > > >> Tirumala hills a > > > >>> bus > > > >>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > > > >> the tail end of the > > > >>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance > > > of > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 You mean to say that you are allowing us to conceptualise? Dangerous waters, Ranjanda, for you will have to review the concepts and bear up with all those symbolic icons. rishi -- In , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Won't bore you erudite folks but icon-less religions are based on > thoughts and concepts! > > Thought-forms are objects or ... what else is there? Even energy is > the same as matter/object, science has shown! > > RR > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla and Rishi, > > > > You both raise very important points and ask difficult questions. > > It is not just about different times, but also different cultures > and > > religions to which we are applying ancient jyotish principles and > > interpretations, which were created within a 'homogenous' religio- > > cultural framework! > > > > Messages have been posted here and elsewhere by those who have > > experienced contact with different cultures etc that the same > > intrinsic principle underlying a 'prescribed' deity may be > something > > to be considered. We often talk of faith and belief in the > framework > > of remedies and worship. Perhaps not everyone is at the level where > > they worship a concept or essence but a concrete image, a concrete > > mental object, even though they think they are worshipping an icon- > > less, an idol-free religion! > > > > If one accepts the reality of there being an icon, an idol in > another > > person's religious framework, one has only two choices: > > > > Stop considering that person as a fellow human or even a human > being! > > > > Accept him or her and as soon as you do that, your primary belief > > becomes a turbulent lake, or at least perturbed waters. Absolutely > > tranquil, calm and homogeneous waters do not have waves, movements, > > and questions that show up as bubbles! > > > > Just musing ... > > > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a > > > different period of time. I think, it is for us to > > > cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the > > > classics. > > > D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as > > > D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra > > > oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma > > > as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for > > > me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My > > > dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, > > > it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. > > > The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. > > > > > > I agree with you that the meanings need to be > > > reappraised. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rishi ji, > > > > > > > > On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has > > > > always been given most importance than other D > > > > charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects > > > > native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in > > > > modern perspective (with different challenges for > > > > rat race), should "assessment parameters" be > > > > redefined ? > > > > > > > > Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in > > > > guiding native for current life (understanably > > > > around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role > > > > becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native > > > > seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her > > > > energies for meeting karmic challenges (including > > > > for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of > > > > rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able > > > > match the pace of modern life. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > > > > kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > > > > Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi_2000in@ > > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > > Another interesting point to be considered is that > > > > > while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are > > > > perhaps > > > > > the most malleable with current karmas. > > > > > If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > > > > > job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > > > > > he/she made to equip himself with the requisite > > > > skills > > > > > , the resources the querist has added to seek the > > > > > karma and the gain from Karma. > > > > > Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is > > > > to > > > > > suggest upgrading the skillsets. > > > > > Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade > > > > our > > > > > skillsets continuously.... > > > > > and what better a forum than this group! > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note > > > > by > > > > >> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > > > > >> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > > > > >> Sage Parashar did not include them for his > > > > remedial > > > > >> prescription. > > > > >> > > > > >> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > > > > >> greater insight into jyotish - but are our > > > > remedial > > > > >> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > > > > >> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > > > > >> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > > > > >> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > > > > >> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >> > > > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are > > > > neither > > > > >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in > > > > disguise. > > > > >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > > >> result but not the purpose. > > > > >> > > > > >> ************************************************ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > > > > >> 10/9 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Sir, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > > > > >> prediction given to a > > > > >>> new/little old born childs parents, would be > > > > >> fatilistic, and all would > > > > >>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but > > > > in > > > > >> case > > > > >>> when you see a native with impending heart > > > > >> problems, or Shani sade > > > > >>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach > > > > would > > > > >> turn into a saviour > > > > >>> for these natives and help and prepare them by > > > > way > > > > >> of > > > > >>> starting remedial measures, much before the > > > > >> incident would happen, > > > > >>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with > > > > reference > > > > >> to astrology. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> regards, > > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> , > > > > Prafulla > > > > >> Gang <jyotish@> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > > > > >> of Bhaskar ji). It > > > > >>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so > > > > nothing > > > > >> could change? - So > > > > >>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are > > > > >> fatalistic (will happen > > > > >>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > > > > >> measures. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, > > > > where > > > > >> he wondered, why > > > > >>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > > > > >> only for dharma and > > > > >>> moksha kona? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > >> charity, if we do > > > > >>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > > > > >> charity but self- > > > > >>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as > > > > the > > > > >> wake of a boat, a > > > > >>> result but not the purpose. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > ************************************************ > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> gbp_kumar@ > > > > >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > > > > >> word 10/9 > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Prafulla, > > > > >>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > > > > >> realistic, western > > > > >>> astrology uses > > > > >>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > > > > >> karma and its > > > > >>> effect a > > > > >>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we > > > > >> have a leader, > > > > >>> king, don, > > > > >>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > > > > >> life so too our > > > > >>> evil time > > > > >>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective > > > > death > > > > >> , strife, > > > > >>> tragedy etc. > > > > >>>>> the Samohika karmaphala > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> I had givne the instance of they young > > > > >> Shankaracharya here > > > > >>> sotme back > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> in short again here > > > > >>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s > > > > to > > > > >> Tirumala hills a > > > > >>> bus > > > > >>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > > > > >> the tail end of the > > > > >>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance > > > > of > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 In total agreement to your summary line! RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > Across the religions, people (though idols or otherwise) pray to "elements". Each religion has its framework and priorities assigned / explained to different elements. Yes, this makes - jyotish application as bit different for various religions / faiths. > > For example - in Christianity and Islam - marriage is referred as contract between men and women (in Islam - even terminal benefits well defined); whereas in Hindu culture - it is referred as dharma. Even question of rebirth is explained differently in different belief systems - setting the jyotish perspective upside down. > > On another note - Once an astrologer explained me that - Prohphet Mohammed made people follow Ramadan month, (fasting balancing the shani/ketu), which in turn over the years, helped middle east to become big oil zone. Likewise, in Jainism too - the houses where female members pursue Jain fastings, have became more prosperous compared to others. Some sort of pacifying shani/ketu has resulted into some of the effects (of course read with other factors too). My statements look absurd, but my discussions with few Jain saints also revealed the effect of such difficult fasting on shani / ketu - where ketu starts working as catalyst (enroute to detatchment) and griefs are subsided. > > So blanket prescription of remedial measures becomes little short sighted approach. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations. > ************************************************ > > > > > > jyotish_vani > > Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:39:13 -0000 > > > > Re: Upachaya houses <2 cents> > > > > Dear Prafulla and Rishi, > > > > You both raise very important points and ask difficult questions. > > It is not just about different times, but also different cultures and > > religions to which we are applying ancient jyotish principles and > > interpretations, which were created within a 'homogenous' religio- > > cultural framework! > > > > Messages have been posted here and elsewhere by those who have > > experienced contact with different cultures etc that the same > > intrinsic principle underlying a 'prescribed' deity may be something > > to be considered. We often talk of faith and belief in the framework > > of remedies and worship. Perhaps not everyone is at the level where > > they worship a concept or essence but a concrete image, a concrete > > mental object, even though they think they are worshipping an icon- > > less, an idol-free religion! > > > > If one accepts the reality of there being an icon, an idol in another > > person's religious framework, one has only two choices: > > > > Stop considering that person as a fellow human or even a human being! > > > > Accept him or her and as soon as you do that, your primary belief > > becomes a turbulent lake, or at least perturbed waters. Absolutely > > tranquil, calm and homogeneous waters do not have waves, movements, > > and questions that show up as bubbles! > > > > Just musing ... > > > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > >> > >> Prafullaji, > >> A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a > >> different period of time. I think, it is for us to > >> cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the > >> classics. > >> D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as > >> D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra > >> oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma > >> as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for > >> me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My > >> dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, > >> it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. > >> The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. > >> > >> I agree with you that the meanings need to be > >> reappraised. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> rishi > >> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear Rishi ji, > >>> > >>> On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has > >>> always been given most importance than other D > >>> charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects > >>> native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in > >>> modern perspective (with different challenges for > >>> rat race), should "assessment parameters" be > >>> redefined ? > >>> > >>> Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in > >>> guiding native for current life (understanably > >>> around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role > >>> becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native > >>> seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her > >>> energies for meeting karmic challenges (including > >>> for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of > >>> rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able > >>> match the pace of modern life. > >>> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>> > >>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > >>> charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > >>> kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > >>> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > >>> result but not the purpose. > >>> > >>> ************************************************ > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> rishi_2000in@ > >>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > >>>> > >>>> RE: Re: Upachaya houses > >>>> > >>>> Prafullaji, > >>>> Another interesting point to be considered is that > >>>> while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are > >>> perhaps > >>>> the most malleable with current karmas. > >>>> If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > >>>> job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > >>>> he/she made to equip himself with the requisite > >>> skills > >>>> , the resources the querist has added to seek the > >>>> karma and the gain from Karma. > >>>> Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is > >>> to > >>>> suggest upgrading the skillsets. > >>>> Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade > >>> our > >>>> skillsets continuously.... > >>>> and what better a forum than this group! > >>>> regards > >>>> > >>>> rishi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note > >>> by > >>>>> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > >>>>> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > >>>>> Sage Parashar did not include them for his > >>> remedial > >>>>> prescription. > >>>>> > >>>>> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > >>>>> greater insight into jyotish - but are our > >>> remedial > >>>>> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > >>>>> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > >>>>> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > >>>>> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > >>>>> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>> > >>>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > >>>>> charity, if we do these for gain, they are > >>> neither > >>>>> kindness nor charity but self-interest in > >>> disguise. > >>>>> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > >>>>> result but not the purpose. > >>>>> > >>>>> ************************************************ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > >>>>> 10/9 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sir, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > >>>>> prediction given to a > >>>>>> new/little old born childs parents, would be > >>>>> fatilistic, and all would > >>>>>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but > >>> in > >>>>> case > >>>>>> when you see a native with impending heart > >>>>> problems, or Shani sade > >>>>>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach > >>> would > >>>>> turn into a saviour > >>>>>> for these natives and help and prepare them by > >>> way > >>>>> of > >>>>>> starting remedial measures, much before the > >>>>> incident would happen, > >>>>>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with > >>> reference > >>>>> to astrology. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards, > >>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> , > >>> Prafulla > >>>>> Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > >>>>> of Bhaskar ji). It > >>>>>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so > >>> nothing > >>>>> could change? - So > >>>>>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are > >>>>> fatalistic (will happen > >>>>>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > >>>>> measures. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, > >>> where > >>>>> he wondered, why > >>>>>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > >>>>> only for dharma and > >>>>>> moksha kona? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > >>>>> charity, if we do > >>>>>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > >>>>> charity but self- > >>>>>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as > >>> the > >>>>> wake of a boat, a > >>>>>> result but not the purpose. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> ************************************************ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > >>>>> word 10/9 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > >>>>> realistic, western > >>>>>> astrology uses > >>>>>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > >>>>> karma and its > >>>>>> effect a > >>>>>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we > >>>>> have a leader, > >>>>>> king, don, > >>>>>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > >>>>> life so too our > >>>>>> evil time > >>>>>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective > >>> death > >>>>> , strife, > >>>>>> tragedy etc. > >>>>>>>> the Samohika karmaphala > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I had givne the instance of they young > >>>>> Shankaracharya here > >>>>>> sotme back > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> in short again here > >>>>>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s > >>> to > >>>>> Tirumala hills a > >>>>>> bus > >>>>>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > >>>>> the tail end of the > >>>>>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance > >>> of > >>> > >> === message truncated === > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 "Allow!" Dear Rishiji, is not in the outbox vocabulary in this email conduit! It is, though, in the inbox conduit ;-) RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > You mean to say that you are allowing us to conceptualise? > Dangerous waters, Ranjanda, for you will have to review the concepts > and bear up with all those symbolic icons. > > rishi > > -- In , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Won't bore you erudite folks but icon-less religions are based on > > thoughts and concepts! > > > > Thought-forms are objects or ... what else is there? Even energy is > > the same as matter/object, science has shown! > > > > RR > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla and Rishi, > > > > > > You both raise very important points and ask difficult questions. > > > It is not just about different times, but also different cultures > > and > > > religions to which we are applying ancient jyotish principles and > > > interpretations, which were created within a 'homogenous' religio- > > > cultural framework! > > > > > > Messages have been posted here and elsewhere by those who have > > > experienced contact with different cultures etc that the same > > > intrinsic principle underlying a 'prescribed' deity may be > > something > > > to be considered. We often talk of faith and belief in the > > framework > > > of remedies and worship. Perhaps not everyone is at the level > where > > > they worship a concept or essence but a concrete image, a > concrete > > > mental object, even though they think they are worshipping an > icon- > > > less, an idol-free religion! > > > > > > If one accepts the reality of there being an icon, an idol in > > another > > > person's religious framework, one has only two choices: > > > > > > Stop considering that person as a fellow human or even a human > > being! > > > > > > Accept him or her and as soon as you do that, your primary belief > > > becomes a turbulent lake, or at least perturbed waters. > Absolutely > > > tranquil, calm and homogeneous waters do not have waves, > movements, > > > and questions that show up as bubbles! > > > > > > Just musing ... > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a > > > > different period of time. I think, it is for us to > > > > cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the > > > > classics. > > > > D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as > > > > D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra > > > > oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma > > > > as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for > > > > me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My > > > > dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, > > > > it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. > > > > The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. > > > > > > > > I agree with you that the meanings need to be > > > > reappraised. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi ji, > > > > > > > > > > On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has > > > > > always been given most importance than other D > > > > > charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects > > > > > native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in > > > > > modern perspective (with different challenges for > > > > > rat race), should "assessment parameters" be > > > > > redefined ? > > > > > > > > > > Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in > > > > > guiding native for current life (understanably > > > > > around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role > > > > > becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native > > > > > seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her > > > > > energies for meeting karmic challenges (including > > > > > for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of > > > > > rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able > > > > > match the pace of modern life. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > > > > > kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > > > > > Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi_2000in@ > > > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > > > Another interesting point to be considered is that > > > > > > while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > the most malleable with current karmas. > > > > > > If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > > > > > > job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > > > > > > he/she made to equip himself with the requisite > > > > > skills > > > > > > , the resources the querist has added to seek the > > > > > > karma and the gain from Karma. > > > > > > Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is > > > > > to > > > > > > suggest upgrading the skillsets. > > > > > > Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade > > > > > our > > > > > > skillsets continuously.... > > > > > > and what better a forum than this group! > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note > > > > > by > > > > > >> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > > > > > >> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > > > > > >> Sage Parashar did not include them for his > > > > > remedial > > > > > >> prescription. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > > > > > >> greater insight into jyotish - but are our > > > > > remedial > > > > > >> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > > > > > >> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > > > > > >> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > > > > > >> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are > > > > > neither > > > > > >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in > > > > > disguise. > > > > > >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > > > >> result but not the purpose. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ************************************************ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > > > > > >> 10/9 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Sir, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > > > > > >> prediction given to a > > > > > >>> new/little old born childs parents, would be > > > > > >> fatilistic, and all would > > > > > >>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but > > > > > in > > > > > >> case > > > > > >>> when you see a native with impending heart > > > > > >> problems, or Shani sade > > > > > >>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach > > > > > would > > > > > >> turn into a saviour > > > > > >>> for these natives and help and prepare them by > > > > > way > > > > > >> of > > > > > >>> starting remedial measures, much before the > > > > > >> incident would happen, > > > > > >>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with > > > > > reference > > > > > >> to astrology. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> regards, > > > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> , > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > >> Gang <jyotish@> > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > > > > > >> of Bhaskar ji). It > > > > > >>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so > > > > > nothing > > > > > >> could change? - So > > > > > >>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are > > > > > >> fatalistic (will happen > > > > > >>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > > > > > >> measures. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, > > > > > where > > > > > >> he wondered, why > > > > > >>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > > > > > >> only for dharma and > > > > > >>> moksha kona? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > >> charity, if we do > > > > > >>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > > > > > >> charity but self- > > > > > >>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as > > > > > the > > > > > >> wake of a boat, a > > > > > >>> result but not the purpose. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> gbp_kumar@ > > > > > >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > > > > > >> word 10/9 > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Prafulla, > > > > > >>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > > > > > >> realistic, western > > > > > >>> astrology uses > > > > > >>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > > > > > >> karma and its > > > > > >>> effect a > > > > > >>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we > > > > > >> have a leader, > > > > > >>> king, don, > > > > > >>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > > > > > >> life so too our > > > > > >>> evil time > > > > > >>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective > > > > > death > > > > > >> , strife, > > > > > >>> tragedy etc. > > > > > >>>>> the Samohika karmaphala > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> I had givne the instance of they young > > > > > >> Shankaracharya here > > > > > >>> sotme back > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> in short again here > > > > > >>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s > > > > > to > > > > > >> Tirumala hills a > > > > > >>> bus > > > > > >>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > > > > > >> the tail end of the > > > > > >>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 And till now, I thought that the inbox wouldnt accept in this email conduit! , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > "Allow!" Dear Rishiji, is not in the outbox vocabulary in this email > conduit! It is, though, in the inbox conduit ;-) > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > You mean to say that you are allowing us to conceptualise? > > Dangerous waters, Ranjanda, for you will have to review the > concepts > > and bear up with all those symbolic icons. > > > > rishi > > > > -- In , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Won't bore you erudite folks but icon-less religions are based on > > > thoughts and concepts! > > > > > > Thought-forms are objects or ... what else is there? Even energy > is > > > the same as matter/object, science has shown! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla and Rishi, > > > > > > > > You both raise very important points and ask difficult > questions. > > > > It is not just about different times, but also different > cultures > > > and > > > > religions to which we are applying ancient jyotish principles > and > > > > interpretations, which were created within a 'homogenous' > religio- > > > > cultural framework! > > > > > > > > Messages have been posted here and elsewhere by those who have > > > > experienced contact with different cultures etc that the same > > > > intrinsic principle underlying a 'prescribed' deity may be > > > something > > > > to be considered. We often talk of faith and belief in the > > > framework > > > > of remedies and worship. Perhaps not everyone is at the level > > where > > > > they worship a concept or essence but a concrete image, a > > concrete > > > > mental object, even though they think they are worshipping an > > icon- > > > > less, an idol-free religion! > > > > > > > > If one accepts the reality of there being an icon, an idol in > > > another > > > > person's religious framework, one has only two choices: > > > > > > > > Stop considering that person as a fellow human or even a human > > > being! > > > > > > > > Accept him or her and as soon as you do that, your primary > belief > > > > becomes a turbulent lake, or at least perturbed waters. > > Absolutely > > > > tranquil, calm and homogeneous waters do not have waves, > > movements, > > > > and questions that show up as bubbles! > > > > > > > > Just musing ... > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > > A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a > > > > > different period of time. I think, it is for us to > > > > > cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the > > > > > classics. > > > > > D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as > > > > > D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra > > > > > oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma > > > > > as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for > > > > > me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My > > > > > dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, > > > > > it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. > > > > > The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that the meanings need to be > > > > > reappraised. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has > > > > > > always been given most importance than other D > > > > > > charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects > > > > > > native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in > > > > > > modern perspective (with different challenges for > > > > > > rat race), should "assessment parameters" be > > > > > > redefined ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in > > > > > > guiding native for current life (understanably > > > > > > around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role > > > > > > becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native > > > > > > seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her > > > > > > energies for meeting karmic challenges (including > > > > > > for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of > > > > > > rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able > > > > > > match the pace of modern life. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > > charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > > > > > > kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > > > > > > Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi_2000in@ > > > > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > > > > Another interesting point to be considered is that > > > > > > > while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > the most malleable with current karmas. > > > > > > > If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > > > > > > > job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > > > > > > > he/she made to equip himself with the requisite > > > > > > skills > > > > > > > , the resources the querist has added to seek the > > > > > > > karma and the gain from Karma. > > > > > > > Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is > > > > > > to > > > > > > > suggest upgrading the skillsets. > > > > > > > Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade > > > > > > our > > > > > > > skillsets continuously.... > > > > > > > and what better a forum than this group! > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note > > > > > > by > > > > > > >> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > > > > > > >> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > > > > > > >> Sage Parashar did not include them for his > > > > > > remedial > > > > > > >> prescription. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > > > > > > >> greater insight into jyotish - but are our > > > > > > remedial > > > > > > >> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > > > > > > >> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > > > > > > >> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > > > > > > >> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > > >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are > > > > > > neither > > > > > > >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in > > > > > > disguise. > > > > > > >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > > > > >> result but not the purpose. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ************************************************ > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > > > > > > >> 10/9 > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Sir, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > > > > > > >> prediction given to a > > > > > > >>> new/little old born childs parents, would be > > > > > > >> fatilistic, and all would > > > > > > >>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but > > > > > > in > > > > > > >> case > > > > > > >>> when you see a native with impending heart > > > > > > >> problems, or Shani sade > > > > > > >>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach > > > > > > would > > > > > > >> turn into a saviour > > > > > > >>> for these natives and help and prepare them by > > > > > > way > > > > > > >> of > > > > > > >>> starting remedial measures, much before the > > > > > > >> incident would happen, > > > > > > >>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with > > > > > > reference > > > > > > >> to astrology. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> regards, > > > > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> , > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > >> Gang <jyotish@> > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > > > > > > >> of Bhaskar ji). It > > > > > > >>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > >> could change? - So > > > > > > >>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are > > > > > > >> fatalistic (will happen > > > > > > >>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > > > > > > >> measures. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, > > > > > > where > > > > > > >> he wondered, why > > > > > > >>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > > > > > > >> only for dharma and > > > > > > >>> moksha kona? > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > > >> charity, if we do > > > > > > >>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > > > > > > >> charity but self- > > > > > > >>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> wake of a boat, a > > > > > > >>> result but not the purpose. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> gbp_kumar@ > > > > > > >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > > > > > > >> word 10/9 > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Prafulla, > > > > > > >>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > > > > > > >> realistic, western > > > > > > >>> astrology uses > > > > > > >>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > > > > > > >> karma and its > > > > > > >>> effect a > > > > > > >>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we > > > > > > >> have a leader, > > > > > > >>> king, don, > > > > > > >>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > > > > > > >> life so too our > > > > > > >>> evil time > > > > > > >>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective > > > > > > death > > > > > > >> , strife, > > > > > > >>> tragedy etc. > > > > > > >>>>> the Samohika karmaphala > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> I had givne the instance of they young > > > > > > >> Shankaracharya here > > > > > > >>> sotme back > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> in short again here > > > > > > >>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s > > > > > > to > > > > > > >> Tirumala hills a > > > > > > >>> bus > > > > > > >>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > > > > > > >> the tail end of the > > > > > > >>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 You are confusing me, Rishi! You know how little brain power I have :-( RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > And till now, I thought that the inbox wouldnt accept in this email > conduit! > > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > "Allow!" Dear Rishiji, is not in the outbox vocabulary in this > email > > conduit! It is, though, in the inbox conduit ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > You mean to say that you are allowing us to conceptualise? > > > Dangerous waters, Ranjanda, for you will have to review the > > concepts > > > and bear up with all those symbolic icons. > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > -- In , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Won't bore you erudite folks but icon-less religions are based > on > > > > thoughts and concepts! > > > > > > > > Thought-forms are objects or ... what else is there? Even > energy > > is > > > > the same as matter/object, science has shown! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla and Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > You both raise very important points and ask difficult > > questions. > > > > > It is not just about different times, but also different > > cultures > > > > and > > > > > religions to which we are applying ancient jyotish principles > > and > > > > > interpretations, which were created within a 'homogenous' > > religio- > > > > > cultural framework! > > > > > > > > > > Messages have been posted here and elsewhere by those who > have > > > > > experienced contact with different cultures etc that the same > > > > > intrinsic principle underlying a 'prescribed' deity may be > > > > something > > > > > to be considered. We often talk of faith and belief in the > > > > framework > > > > > of remedies and worship. Perhaps not everyone is at the level > > > where > > > > > they worship a concept or essence but a concrete image, a > > > concrete > > > > > mental object, even though they think they are worshipping an > > > icon- > > > > > less, an idol-free religion! > > > > > > > > > > If one accepts the reality of there being an icon, an idol in > > > > another > > > > > person's religious framework, one has only two choices: > > > > > > > > > > Stop considering that person as a fellow human or even a > human > > > > being! > > > > > > > > > > Accept him or her and as soon as you do that, your primary > > belief > > > > > becomes a turbulent lake, or at least perturbed waters. > > > Absolutely > > > > > tranquil, calm and homogeneous waters do not have waves, > > > movements, > > > > > and questions that show up as bubbles! > > > > > > > > > > Just musing ... > > > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > > > A lot in the classics was very explicitly meant for a > > > > > > different period of time. I think, it is for us to > > > > > > cull out that what is shashwat and beyond time in the > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > D9 though ,in my opinion, is perhaps as relevant as > > > > > > D1. For if D1 is rashi oriented then D9 is nakshatra > > > > > > oriented. And secondly, I would not translate Dharma > > > > > > as poojas, bhakti, ritual or prayer only.Dharma for > > > > > > me...is vital, it is my duty, it is my mission. My > > > > > > dharma may be to oppose what is decaying in religion, > > > > > > it is still my dharma and cannot be called adharma. > > > > > > The translation, perhaps, needs to be not so literal. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that the meanings need to be > > > > > > reappraised. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a seperate note, D9 (dharma perspective) has > > > > > > > always been given most importance than other D > > > > > > > charts say D 10. and even Deva Keralam connects > > > > > > > native through D9 (in addition to nadiamsa). But in > > > > > > > modern perspective (with different challenges for > > > > > > > rat race), should "assessment parameters" be > > > > > > > redefined ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from remedies, jyotish has bigger role in > > > > > > > guiding native for current life (understanably > > > > > > > around - dharma, artha, moksha and karma). The role > > > > > > > becomes more crucial in karmic segment, where native > > > > > > > seldom wants to know the ways to channelise his/her > > > > > > > energies for meeting karmic challenges (including > > > > > > > for karmic controlling planets - i.e. dispositors of > > > > > > > rahu / ketu). Jyotishis, I am sure, will be able > > > > > > > match the pace of modern life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > > > charity, if we do these for gain, they are neither > > > > > > > kindness nor charity but self-interest in disguise. > > > > > > > Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > > > > > result but not the purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi_2000in@ > > > > > > > > Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Upachaya houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > > > > > Another interesting point to be considered is that > > > > > > > > while the 3,6,10,11 are the houses which are > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > the most malleable with current karmas. > > > > > > > > If a job seeker comes up and says, I do not have a > > > > > > > > job, the question is what efforts (3rd house)has > > > > > > > > he/she made to equip himself with the requisite > > > > > > > skills > > > > > > > > , the resources the querist has added to seek the > > > > > > > > karma and the gain from Karma. > > > > > > > > Therefore, a simple way to prescribe a remedy is > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > suggest upgrading the skillsets. > > > > > > > > Incidentally, we Jyotishis also need to upgrade > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > skillsets continuously.... > > > > > > > > and what better a forum than this group! > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Great note. I referred a very interesteing note > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > >> Dear Rishi on another thread, around the remedial > > > > > > > >> measures for 3/6/10/11. I am still pondering, why > > > > > > > >> Sage Parashar did not include them for his > > > > > > > remedial > > > > > > > >> prescription. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Whether we call it the need of modern yuga or our > > > > > > > >> greater insight into jyotish - but are our > > > > > > > remedial > > > > > > > >> patterns in line with sage parashar (or say per > > > > > > > >> jyotish objective). We all (including me) do > > > > > > > >> prescribe remedial measures (and do for ourselves > > > > > > > >> too) - but Rishi's question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > > > >> charity, if we do these for gain, they are > > > > > > > neither > > > > > > > >> kindness nor charity but self-interest in > > > > > > > disguise. > > > > > > > >> Our gains should come as the wake of a boat, a > > > > > > > >> result but not the purpose. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> ************************************************ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > >>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:41:57 -0000 > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Re: Headlines Today TV-Last word > > > > > > > >> 10/9 > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Sir, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> I think that for a severe Balarishta Yoga, the > > > > > > > >> prediction given to a > > > > > > > >>> new/little old born childs parents, would be > > > > > > > >> fatilistic, and all would > > > > > > > >>> have to wait for the inevitable to happen, but > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > >> case > > > > > > > >>> when you see a native with impending heart > > > > > > > >> problems, or Shani sade > > > > > > > >>> sathi approaching , the fatilistic approach > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > >> turn into a saviour > > > > > > > >>> for these natives and help and prepare them by > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > >> of > > > > > > > >>> starting remedial measures, much before the > > > > > > > >> incident would happen, > > > > > > > >>> and thus reduce the impact.This is with > > > > > > > reference > > > > > > > >> to astrology. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> regards, > > > > > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> , > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > >> Gang <jyotish@> > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji / Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Kindly reread my message (and the prior message > > > > > > > >> of Bhaskar ji). It > > > > > > > >>> was stated that, it was god's desire - so > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > >> could change? - So > > > > > > > >>> I pondered to that note, if predictions are > > > > > > > >> fatalistic (will happen > > > > > > > >>> for sure!!) and if so, relevance of remedial > > > > > > > >> measures. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Also refer Rishi's mail on another thread, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > >> he wondered, why > > > > > > > >>> not remedial measure for 3/6/10/11 bhavas? Why > > > > > > > >> only for dharma and > > > > > > > >>> moksha kona? > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Although we gain much through our kindness and > > > > > > > >> charity, if we do > > > > > > > >>> these for gain, they are neither kindness nor > > > > > > > >> charity but self- > > > > > > > >>> interest in disguise. Our gains should come as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> wake of a boat, a > > > > > > > >>> result but not the purpose. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> gbp_kumar@ > > > > > > > >>>>> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:56:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Re: Re: Headlines Today TV-Last > > > > > > > >> word 10/9 > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Prafulla, > > > > > > > >>>>> predictions are not fatelistic, it is > > > > > > > >> realistic, western > > > > > > > >>> astrology uses > > > > > > > >>>>> fatelims, we do to Karma, collective > > > > > > > >> karma and its > > > > > > > >>> effect a > > > > > > > >>>>> collection of them are needed just like how we > > > > > > > >> have a leader, > > > > > > > >>> king, don, > > > > > > > >>>>> CEO who sahpes our good karma w.r.t income., > > > > > > > >> life so too our > > > > > > > >>> evil time > > > > > > > >>>>> we need one who will lead us to collective > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > >> , strife, > > > > > > > >>> tragedy etc. > > > > > > > >>>>> the Samohika karmaphala > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> I had givne the instance of they young > > > > > > > >> Shankaracharya here > > > > > > > >>> sotme back > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> in short again here > > > > > > > >>>>> when a tourist bus was carrying piligrim s > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> Tirumala hills a > > > > > > > >>> bus > > > > > > > >>>>> skided and was just on one wheel and almost at > > > > > > > >> the tail end of the > > > > > > > >>>>> ravine a slight shift in soil due the balance > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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