Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Dear Bhagavatas: Here is a feedback on the subject from one of our esteemed members. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy ============================================================ >Srini Raghavan <sraghav > >Ram Anbil <Ramanbil (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> >CC: Mani Varadarajan <mani2 > >RE: Re: Sri Jayanti Date >Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:06:47 -0700 (PDT) > >Dear Anbil swamin: > >I am very glad to read your firm statement on this subject endorsing the >view of Sriman Mani Varadarajan. I am very perturbed by divergent opinions >reflecting Sri Sannadhi of matam, Munitriyam, Thenkalai sampradayam etc >which fragment our Vaishnava community in USA into smaller compartments. >Everyone tries to convert Panchangam(Vakyam and Thirukkanidham) from >Chennai to geocentric positions of planets,thithi,nakshatram etc to local >time and confuse ordinary folks like me on the date and time we should >observe to follow our sampradayam. I have no problem if a few very >orthodox Vaishnavas in the US want to replicate their Acharya's wish. as >they do in India in theie own household. > >I have had this discussion in vain with some people who advance extreme >views on matters relating to Vaishnavism, for example as to when to perfrom >Ganga snanam at home in various parts of the world for Naraka Chaturthi on >Deepavali day. Sun rise and sun set vary widely in diffferent lattitudes >and longitudes..There is midnight sun in Sweden and Denmark in Summer time >amd Moon at 12 noon in winter.How do we fix the time observing Deepavali >from New Zealand, Australia to Europe, North America, South America and >Africa. There are Hindus everywhere in every corner of the various >continent. We need to have unifrom standard for all of us based on local >time for any event for the date shown on our Panchangam. Some orthodox >people can choose their time and date to please their Acharyas. >We are not offending God as we celebrate his Vaibhavam. > >Adiyen >S.raghavan > >Ram Anbil <Ramanbil (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Bhagavatas: >I entirely agree with the observations of Sri Mani Varadarajan Swamin when >he says - > >"I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according > >to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For > >example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the > >timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should > >observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local > >time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the > >heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This > >would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time, > >irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based > >on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time > >for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in > >India from city to city, depending on local phenomena -- > >sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same > >across continents" >=================================================================== >I would like to invite you to a question raised by a member on observing >Rahu Kalam in Italy and my answer to that question. I am reproducing the >same for your information. vide Message 7147 dated 3rd April 2006. I have >checked it with asmad Acharyan, H.H.Srimad Andavan, Poundarikapuram Swami >Asramam and he has concurred in my view. > >Accordingly, it would make sense if we follow the same whatever Panchangam >we have in "Bharaata Varsha, Bhjaratah khaNDa", observing the same Tithi, >Vaara, Nakshatra, yoga and KaraNa with reference to the local time of >Sunrise and Sunset in any part of the world and a recalculation based on >Time zone differences need not be resorted to. >Dasoham >Anbil Ramaswamy >==================================================================== >SrI: >Dear Sara, > >Our Sri Anbil Ramaswamy had written the response as below. >Hope this helps >Regards >Namo Narayana >madhavakkannan >---- >Dear friend: > >My take on the subject is as follows: >The day is divided into 5 parts called Abhigamanam, >Upaadaanam, Ijya, Svaadhyaayam and YOga. >Approximately, each period will be around 2 1/2 hours >from the moment of Sunrise. > >All Pancha- angams called Thithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, >yOga and KaraNa are to be calculated from the moment >of Sunrise at any given place. Thus, if it is MONDAY >in India, all these Tithi, Vaara, Nakshatra, yOga and >KaraNa for MONDAY must be calculated on the basis of >Monday in any part of the world. > >Otherwise, a gross discrepancy will ensue as shown >below: > >If Sri -Jayanti is celebrated on say at Mid-night of >any day say, MONDAY in India, (since Lord KrishNa was born at >Mid-night of that MONDAY) people in USA would have to celebrate it on >the same MONDAY instead of at dusk! Obviously, this is not >correct. > >Similarly, Nrisimha Jayanti has to be celebrated in >the evening at dusk when Lord Nrisimha appeared from >the pillar. Calculating on the basis of time >difference, people in USA will be celebrating it at >DAWN instead of at DUSK! Obviously, this is not >correct. > >Also, there are at least 5 time zones in the USA. If >it is 6.00 am at California (West Coast), it would be >11.00 am at New York (East Coast). The question arises when should the >respective residents observe the various observances. > >To add to the confusion, some areas in USA follow the >Daylight Savings time from April to October and revert >to standard timings from October to April - while >many other states do not follow this at all ! > >The Rahukaalam commencing at 7.30 am as per Indian >Standard Time (IST) on Mondays in India is based on >the assumption of IST Sunrise is at 6.00 a m. But even >this IST Computation is no standard at all because there is >actually a difference of about 60 minutes as between >Mumbai on the West and Kolkatta in the East and the Sunrise >timings would dkiffer accordingly. > >My answer is that everyone should observe with >reference to the >EXACT TIME OF SUNRISE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE LOCATIONS. >This can be verified from thelocal Newspapers, Internet, >Radio, TV weather channels etc. > >Hope this clarifies. > >Dasoham > >Anbil Ramaswamy >********************************************************************* >Respected members, namaskar... > >While living in India (Tamil Nadu), I was taught to observe rAhu kAlam as >follows: >monday - from 7.30 am to 9.00 am >tuesday - from 3.00 pm to 4.30 pm >wednesday - from 12.00 (noon) to 1.30 pm >thursday - from 1.30 pm to 3.00 pm >friday - from 10.30 am to 12.00 (noon) >saturday - from 9.00 am to 10.30 am >sunday - from 4.30 pm to 6.00 pm > >Now, I have a doubt: is rAhu kAlam always the same in every country or does >it depend on geografic coordinates? If it changes according to the country, >what time shall we observe rahu kalam in Italy? And shall we observe it >according to solar time or to daylight savings time, which has started just >few days ago? > >Can anybody please clarify? > > >Kind regards, > >Sara >=========================================================== >Full text of Sri Mani varadarajan's mail is reproduced below: > > >"Mani Varadarajan" > > > > Re: Sri Jayanti Date > >Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:36:41 -0000 > > > >srimate ramanujaya namah > > > >Dear Sri Dileepan and other Astikas, > > > >Thank you for your clarification. It appears that the > >calculation supporting the date of September 15 for > >Pancaratra Sri Jayanti is based on the formulas of > >the Vakya Panchangam. What's not clear to me is why > >the Vakya Panchangam is accorded any greater holiness > >than scientific calculations. As far as I understand, > >the Vakya Panchangam's basis is not "rishi prokta" > >but is only the record of the scientific formulae > >known to the extent possible in the time of their > >recording, which is in the first few centuries A.D. > >There were differing panchangams even in those days > >(in Karnataka it has long been in vogue to present > >calculations according to both Vakya and Siddhanta > >conventions, for example). > > > >I am more comfortable following what corresponds to > >the scientific positions of the planets as a basis for > >dating. Certainly others may be more comfortable > >in observing based on old formulae, no matter how much > >they may differ from observed phenomena. (For example, > >if the Vakya panchangam's formulae were used to observe > >eclipses, we would totally miss the eclipses, doing > >tarpanam, mantra japam, aradhanam, etc., at the wrong > >times, i.e., outside the period of the eclipse! Even > >the most rigorous Vaidika adjusts based on observed > >phenomena. I fail to see the logic in not adjusting for > >other observations as well. > > > >Re: when to do aradhanam? > > > >I feel it makes more sense to do the aradhanam according > >to when the phenomena occur in one's local time zone. For > >example, we do snAnam, sandhyA, ijyA, according to the > >timings appropriate for our locality. Similarly, we should > >observe Sri Krishna's birth as if it occurred in our local > >time when the astronomical phenomena are present in the > >heavens, i.e., during the local vrishabha lagna. This > >would put Sri Jayanti this year before midnight local time, > >irrespective of locality. This is my humble opinion based > >on reading the nirnaya shastras. For example, the time > >for observing these feasts and fasts is adjusted even in > >India from city to city, depending on local phenomena -- > >sunrise, moonrise, lagna, etc. It should be the same > >across continents. > > > >With regards, > >and in fond anticipation of the sweet memory of > >Sri Krishna no matter what the locality or the date, > > > >adiyen ramanuja dasan >===================================================================== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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