Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Digest 186, September 20th, 2006. Answers by His Holiness Romapada Swami Maharaja You are welcome to send in your questions to His Holiness Romapada Swami at iskcondc with the word "Question" included in the subject line. Pseudo Incarnations ******************* 480) I was watching Good Morning America and they did a story on a man that claims to be Jesus [Jesus is son of God, according to the Bible]. The question is that when such individuals claim to be God [sic] what kind of bad karma will he get for saying he is God, what kind of punishment will this man have to endure for committing this act? I don't know why but this has been bothering me because I can't understand why people follow and believe in such people. When they should know that there is only one God, Krishna, why is it that people will believe anything that they are told? Answer: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur summed up this material world as a society of cheaters and cheated. There are many people in this world who want to be cheated, who want to settle for something cheap that pleases their senses and are not serious about purity or truth. So Krishna arranges for a big cheater to mislead them. There have been many such persons in history and the cheaters are themselves in turn cheated and have to meet their end; even at the time of Krishna's pastimes on this planet, there were some persons like Paundraka who claimed to be God and had his own set of followers for some time, but finally Krishna annihilated him. (Krsna book Ch 66) It can be seen that the blind followers of such cheaters are generally very much interested in wanting to enjoy sense gratification through the medium of religious or spiritual life, rather than a sincere desire to know and serve the Supreme. This constitutes a cheating mentality on their part - to enjoy the material world in the name of God but without actually surrendering to God; thus they themselves are cheated, although they may otherwise seem innocent and even serious and dedicated in their following. Often it can be observed that such followers are desperate for some quick material gain or relief from suffering, so much so that they would readily accept anyone or anything that promises them such illusory benefits, and Krishna sanctions their desire to follow such illusory goals. Krishna or God, however, can be understood only by those who approach Him with genuine attitude of service and devotion. As Krishna says in BG 7.25, He reserves the right to not reveal Himself to those who do not have such a di sposition. Krishna also explains different types of faith in BG Ch 17, in response to a question that Arjuna asks similar to your question. (See BG 17.1-4) According to the modes of nature acquired by a person, one evolves a particular type of faith. Those who are in the modes of passion and ignorance will worship demons, spirits or select a powerful man to be God, whereas those who are in the mode of goodness tend to worship different higher demigods. By following scriptural directions, those in the mode of goodness have a better opportunity to accept the association a devotee, take up devotional service and gradually rise to the point of understanding the Supreme Personality of Godhead. >From the above discussion, it is evident that one should be minimally in the mode of goodness and free from sinful desires, and genuinely seeking to know the Absolute Truth, in order to understand Krishna. However, even if one may not be so qualified, if one is fortunate to come in contact with a pure devotee or his teachings and accepts his direction, one can immediately understand Krishna, and under the guidance of the devotees one can become fully purified of all misconceptions. This gives a clue how we can respond when we see or hear about such misleading pseudo-incarnations or so-called spiritual processes/groups. The solution lies in educating people and disseminating real transcendental knowledge. Rather than feel disturbed or agitated, we can understand the true nature of this material world and develop compassion for these souls who are unfortunate and embarrassed by their own material desires due to their ignorance of Krishna. Of course a devotee, being para-duhkha-duhkhi, does feel some disturbance to see so many innocent people being cheated, but he takes it as an impetus to strive to disseminate this unadulterated knowledge found in Bhagavad-Gita, carefully preserved and handed down to us through many generations in disciplic succession. This is what Srila Prabhupada did to fight the many pseudo-gurus and organizations prevalent during his time. He worked tirelessly to translate the Vaisnava literatures and traveled incessantly to teach and personally train the devotees in the actual science of God- realization. But for his sacrifices, we would not have access to this scientific knowledge about Krishna. So you can also strive to become his able representative and transmit this knowledge, not only by speaking about it but more importantly by being a living example of these teachings, such that those who come in contact with you will naturally appreciate and accept these teachings. When people are educated in the right knowledge and culture, then they cannot be cheated. ************************** Past Questions and Answers: All previous digests with responses to about 480 questions can be accessed at http://www.romapadaswami.com/Inquiries/ Related Sites: http://www.romapadaswami.com Lectures: http://www.caitanya.com (username: guest password: caitanyacom) Brief biography of His Holiness Romapada Swami: http://www.romapadaswami.com/bio.html ************************** Receiving Messages: To , change/add your email address please send email to iskcondcr Please reply to this email at iskcondcr if you choose to discontinue receiving these digests. If you have received the "Inquiries Into the Absolute" digests despite requesting removal in the past, please let us know immediately by emailing us at iskcondcr . If you happen to be receiving these messages at multiple email addresses or your work address, please let us know which email address you prefer to keep for the longest time and let us know which ones we should delete. Contact information for the purpose of "Inquiries Into the Absolute": Email: iskcondcr Postal Address: 10310 Oaklyn Drive, Potomac, MD 20854-3932 Digest 185 included here due to failed delivery last week Digest 185, September 13th, 2006. Answers by His Holiness Romapada Swami Maharaja You are welcome to send in your questions to His Holiness Romapada Swami at iskcondc with the word "Question" included in the subject line. Collective Karma **************** Question 478. What do the scriptures including the Bhagavad-Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam have to say about "collective karma"? Our individual karma is generated by our own intentional and unintentional actions but what about the actions we perform as part of a group or as a society? Does responsibility get assigned to each one of us? Particularly, in the context of the planetary environment, we have collectively made impacts on the earth and are now seeing the consequences. Answer: As member of any community, the actions of the individual members have a collective impact on the rest of the community. Even within a family, we can readily see that an action of one member affects the lives of other family members just by virtue of their connection to each other, and similarly our individual karmas impact each other also. We see this principle demonstrated in the Mahabharata - for the transgressions by Duryodhana and a few of his cohorts against the Pandavas and their chaste wife, the entire dynasty of Kuru had to pay the price for having stood by him and failed to check his sinful actions. Vedic social organization or Varnashrama is designed in such a way that by executing one's own prescribed duties nicely, each member of society automatically contributes positively to the overall welfare of the society, not only human beings but even the animals, plants, environment, demigods and forefathers! Conversely when a member of the society deviates from his/her duties, it creates negative impact. In the modern paradigm of scientific research, we are discovering that it is impossible to test or predict what impact our actions might have down the road, and no one knows what they are supposed to do or not do. Contrastingly, those who execute their duties under proper guidance in the Vedic society, even if they themselves may not be learned or far-sighted enough to understand the consequences and they may also not be on the platform of pure devotion, they can still be confident that their actions are not detrimental but uplifting to all sections of society, simply because they are acting under the infallible direction of scriptures. Therefore, each person simply had to execute their own prescribed duty conscientiously. As far as assigning karmic reaction, although each person is responsible for his/her own action, much greater responsibility is placed upon the leaders of the society. The king or executive head, parents, teachers, husband and highly educated members of the society (brahmanas) are natural leaders because their actions and decisions guide and affect the lives of their dependents. Whatever great persons do, common people follow. (BG 3.21) Thus the head of state (or head of family or community) has great responsibility to set the right example and also to guide, facilitate and ensure that their dependents are properly engaged in their respective duties and do not get implicated in bad karma. According to Vedic social codes, the king has to bear one-sixth of the collective karma of his citizens! (Cf. SB 4.20.14 http://vedabase.net/sb/4/20/14/en) We can see that it is quite a serious responsibility and therefore it was required that these leading members be conversant with standard scriptural codes and be guided by saintly persons. Conversely, a citizen benefits from the piety of the King, and the King benefits from the pious activities of the citizen. "Prthu Maharaja continued: Therefore, my dear citizens, for the welfare of your king after his death, you should execute your duties properly in terms of your positions of varna and asrama and should always think of the Supreme Personality of Godhead within your hearts. By doing so, you will protect your own interests, and you will bestow mercy upon your king for his welfare after death." (SB 4.21.25) Regarding a King's duty to spiritually elevate his citizens: "If a king neglects to give such instructions and is simply satisfied with levying taxes, then those who share in the collection—namely, all the government servants and the head of the state—are liable to share in the impious activities of the general masses. The laws of nature are very subtle. For example, if one eats in a place which is very sinful, he shares in the resultant reaction of the sinful activities performed there." Similarly, it is warned that parents who beget children without discharging their responsibility to train them spiritually will have to bear responsibility for the karma of the children as well. The spiritual master also has to take on the sinful reactions of his disciples. (SB 5.5.18) Certainly, we are all individually fully responsible for our own actions due to our freewill, but those who are in such leading roles are held greatly accountable also. Individually it is our responsibility to choose as far as possible the right type of association and leadership which will not implicate us in further sins. There are examples within scripture of subordinates rejecting the king, spiritual master, father or husband under dire circumstances when such authority was leading them down the wrong path. (This, of course, should be done only with great caution and superior guidance and not whimsically.) There are also very instructive examples found in the Caitanya-caritamrita, in this case not just of sinful reactions but the much more serious consequence of offending great saintly devotees. (Please see Caitanya Caritamrita Antya Lila 3.147-164, 3.191-212; http://vedabase.net/cc/antya/3/en ) Both these incidents illustrate how when an advanced devotee of the Lord is insulted it has such serious repercussions that for one man's fault the entire village or country can become afflicted. In the case of Ramachandra Khan, his entire village suffered as a consequence of his offense to Haridas Thakur and Lord Nityananda. Contrastingly, in the case of Gopala Cakravarti who also insulted Haridas Thakur, he was immediately dismissed and rejected by all the members of the assembly who knew of the grave danger in insulting saintly persons, and thus they were not implicated. "Wherever an advanced devotee is insulted, for one man’s fault the entire town or place is afflicted." Cc Antya 3.164. Question 479. That leads to my second related question: If there is collective karma, how can one free oneself from the results of such karma? Answer: The process of getting relief from karma is the same - to surrender unto the Supreme Lord and to live in harmony with His instructions by being guided by His bona fide representatives and scriptures. We can also set a good example from whatever position we may be in and honestly discharge our responsibility towards our family members, friends and those that we may have some influence upon to guide their actions on the right path. As mentioned before, one should carefully avoid participating in or contributing to directly irreligious/sinful activities as far as possible. By taking steps towards leading such a pure life in service to the Lord and by taking up chanting of His Holy Names, one can become immune to all types of sinful reactions - Krishna promises to deliver such a surrendered soul. We can practically see that those who take shelter of the divine energy of the Lord can remain completely protected and transcendental even in the midst of great confusions and upheavals in the rest of the society around us; not only they remain unaffected but they can also extend great shelter to so many others around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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