RE: Sri Bhagavan Ramana on Kevala / Sahaja Nirvikalpa samAdhi

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Dear Harsha,

 

 

 

You have posted masterful observations in regard to Sahaj Samadhi and

Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

 

 

 

Please see my further comments below.

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of Harsha

Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:40 PM

advaitin;

Re: Re: Sri Bhagavan

Ramana on Kevala / Sahaja Nirvikalpa samAdhi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Yadu,

 

You raise an important question and I hope you don't mind my answering you

in this forum. I will send the response to HS as well.

 

You are right in the case of a Jnani who is in the natural state referred to

as Sahaj Samadhi. He is not attached to the instrument of perception and

experience (mind) and in Him all delight is Self-delight and all bliss is

Self-bliss only. As Sri Ramana has pointed out, a yogi who has won Kevala

Nirvikalpa Samadhi has experienced absorption into the Self but until the

mind is fully resolved in the Self, it will sprout back up. Therefore,

effort in some form such as Atma Vichara will continue until the Self

spontaneously manifests in all its fullness.

 

mb: Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a grace that will indeed lead one on by what ever

method or non-method that one may employee or not employee. For a

particular devotee the essential ingredient to the fulfillment of Jnana is

the mind-blowing occasion of Nirvikalpa Samadhi - an immersion into the

Great ONE, the unborn, undying, vast ocean of consciousness and bliss -

unimaginable and inexplicable.

 

What ever comes next, if the body lives through it, simply happens. For a

while one may continue to think that one can influence the events of their

seeming individual life; but one eventually releases that idea and simply

flows with the current of universal consciousness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I vaguely recall that Sri Ramana said something like when someone

experiences Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the force of it will keep the person on

track to the final destination. The distance between Nirvikalpa Samadhi and

Sahaj Samadhi may be brief or long. It depends on the person's karmic

makeup. We have examples of sages who satisfy both criteria.

 

mb: Yes. It can be long...... very long... ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi involves the immobility of the body and the

merging of the mind along with the Shakti into the spiritual Heart through

what Sri Ramana referred to as Amrita Nadi or Para Nadi which is a

continuation of the Sushmana. Sushmana stretches from the Muladhara to the

Brain through the middle of the spine. From the Sahasarara in the brain, the

Amrita Nadi starts and comes down on the front side of the body slightly to

the right and merges in the Spiritual Heart. Sri Ramana mentioned this

process many times. Again, this is a matter of actual experience of the

Yogis and Jnanis.

 

Thus the Self is known in the Heart. Entering the Heart, everything

disappears including the Heart and any such concepts and the Self that is

whole and the nature of pure consciousness is Recognized as one's own Self.

 

mb: Merging in the Heart is Jnana. It is an overwhelming experience in

which one enters an entirely different and unimaginable condition, and the

world one used to know passes away. One remaining in this condition for

some time drops the body. One will dehydrate and die. But most persons

experiencing this are so frightened that they do not remain in the condition

for long.

 

As you say, this is affected through the awakening and flow of Shakti, the

bio-spiritual energy. Shakti comes to rest in the heart. Brahman and

Shakti are ONE.

 

One may experience the Kundalini awakening at the navel and then the Shakti

proceeds to the Muladhara. Reputed kundalini adepts affirm this. But for

others the first noticeable movement of the Goddess may begin at the

Muladhara. But in either case the progression continues as it will until

eventually it rests in the Heart. This process includes the flow of Shakti

from the crown into the Heart. This entire process is depicted in the holy

syllable OM.

 

 

 

The mandala known as OM is an adaptation of Devangari script and depicts the

movement of the awakened life carried along by the marvelous agency of the

kundalini Shakti. OM is an ancient representation of a known and supremely

marvelous phenomenon that results in the merging of the known existence into

the Heart.

 

OM depicts the arising of Shakti at the navel. OM is sometimes called

PRANAVA (navel). OM depicts the downward movement of the Shakti from the

navel (Manipura) to the Muladhara. It continues to depict the rise of the

Shakt to the crown and back down to the Heart where the Heart Cave is

illumined by the essence of Consciousness.

 

SNIP

 

 

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

SNIP

 

 

 

 

 

mb: This is the seed of awakening that proceeds as it will.

 

 

 

 

 

Warm regards,

 

 

 

michael

[Guest guest]

*Thanks Michael, Anna, Jill, for your kind comments. And many thanks to

Yosy, Joyce, David, Sam, Era, Alan, Phil, John and others for your

contributions. I have been running low on time and have not been able to

respond fully to the all the posts.

 

Michael, you are right of course in all that you are saying. We are very

different and yet the same. It takes one to know one.

 

I am glad to be in all your company. About 10-11 years ago, I was having

a conversation with Mamta Bahin, who is the secretary for Chitrabhanu-ji

and told her that sometimes I missed the old days of the late 1970s when

I was part of the meditative and spiritual community created by my

teacher and had many people like minded people around. Mamtaji said,

"Harshadeva, you will create your own sangha." And so here we are in

this Cyber Sangha.

 

In gratitude for all your friendship and blessings.

 

Love to all

Harsha

*

 

Michael Bowes wrote:

>

> Dear Harsha,

>

>

>

> You have posted masterful observations in regard to Sahaj Samadhi and

> Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

>

>

>

> Please see my further comments below.

>

>

>

> ------

>

> **

> [] *On Behalf Of *Harsha

> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:40 PM

> *To:* advaitin;

> *Subject:* Re: Re: Sri

> Bhagavan Ramana on Kevala / Sahaja Nirvikalpa samAdhi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Dr. Yadu,

>

> You raise an important question and I hope you don't mind my answering

> you in this forum. I will send the response to HS as well.

>

> You are right in the case of a Jnani who is in the natural state

> referred to as Sahaj Samadhi. He is not attached to the instrument of

> perception and experience (mind) and in Him all delight is

> Self-delight and all bliss is Self-bliss only. As Sri Ramana has

> pointed out, a yogi who has won Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi has

> experienced absorption into the Self but until the mind is fully

> resolved in the Self, it will sprout back up. Therefore, effort in

> some form such as Atma Vichara will continue until the Self

> spontaneously manifests in all its fullness.

>

> mb: Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a grace that will indeed lead one on by

> what ever method or non-method that one may employee or not employee.

> For a particular devotee the essential ingredient to the fulfillment

> of Jnana is the mind-blowing occasion of Nirvikalpa Samadhi -- an

> immersion into the Great ONE, the unborn, undying, vast ocean of

> consciousness and bliss -- unimaginable and inexplicable.

>

> What ever comes next, if the body lives through it, simply happens.

> For a while one may continue to think that one can influence the

> events of their seeming individual life; but one eventually releases

> that idea and simply flows with the current of universal consciousness.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I vaguely recall that Sri Ramana said something like when someone

> experiences Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the force of it will keep the person

> on track to the final destination. The distance between Nirvikalpa

> Samadhi and Sahaj Samadhi may be brief or long. It depends on the

> person's karmic makeup. We have examples of sages who satisfy both

> criteria.

>

> mb: Yes. It can be long.............. very long......... ;-)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi involves the immobility of the body and the

> merging of the mind along with the Shakti into the spiritual Heart

> through what Sri Ramana referred to as Amrita Nadi or Para Nadi which

> is a continuation of the Sushmana. Sushmana stretches from the

> Muladhara to the Brain through the middle of the spine. From the

> Sahasarara in the brain, the Amrita Nadi starts and comes down on the

> front side of the body slightly to the right and merges in the

> Spiritual Heart. Sri Ramana mentioned this process many times. Again,

> this is a matter of actual experience of the Yogis and Jnanis.

>

> Thus the Self is known in the Heart. Entering the Heart, everything

> disappears including the Heart and any such concepts and the Self that

> is whole and the nature of pure consciousness is Recognized as one's

> own Self.

>

> mb: Merging in the Heart is Jnana. It is an overwhelming experience

> in which one enters an entirely different and unimaginable condition,

> and the world one used to know passes away. One remaining in this

> condition for some time drops the body. One will dehydrate and die.

> But most persons experiencing this are so frightened that they do not

> remain in the condition for long.

>

> As you say, this is affected through the awakening and flow of Shakti,

> the bio-spiritual energy. Shakti comes to rest in the heart. Brahman

> and Shakti are ONE.

>

> One may experience the Kundalini awakening at the navel and then the

> Shakti proceeds to the Muladhara. Reputed kundalini adepts affirm

> this. But for others the first noticeable movement of the Goddess may

> begin at the Muladhara. But in either case the progression

> continues as it will until eventually it rests in the Heart. This

> process includes the flow of Shakti from the crown into the Heart.

> This entire process is depicted in the holy syllable OM.

>

> The mandala known as OM is an adaptation of Devangari script and

> depicts the movement of the awakened life carried along by the

> marvelous agency of the kundalini Shakti. OM is an ancient

> representation of a known and supremely marvelous phenomenon that

> results in the merging of the known existence into the Heart.

>

> OM depicts the arising of Shakti at the navel. OM is sometimes called

> PRANAVA (navel). OM depicts the downward movement of the Shakti from

> the navel (Manipura) to the Muladhara. It continues to depict the

> rise of the Shakt to the crown and back down to the Heart where the

> Heart Cave is illumined by the essence of Consciousness.

>

> SNIP

>

>

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

> SNIP

>

>

>

>

>

> mb: This is the seed of awakening that proceeds as it will.

>

>

>

>

>

> Warm regards,

>

>

>

> michael

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Harsha.. I love being part of this cyber sangha... I know you are a busy man so thaks for all you give us..Sam