Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Namaste, Advaita sadhana aspires to a common truth, which is the same for everyone. That truth is sought through many paths, which are suited to our different personalities. Thus, in the end, each path requires that all differences be given up, to reach a truth that is eventually impersonal. Whatever path is followed, a complete commitment is required from the sadhaka -- so that all mind and body and all physical and mental differences are sacrificed, in the attainment of a final truth that is the impersonal and undifferentiated essence of all differentiated personality and world. To cultivate this full commitment, every path that's followed must be taken as the best of paths, for those sadhakas that are engaged in it. At any time, a sadhaka must follow just one path, as the best and only path for her or him to follow at that time. As different sadhakas each follow different paths, it's therefore only natural that they should disagree about which path is best. But when a sadhaka becomes committed to a particular path, then other paths are no longer that sadhaka's business -- neither to attack them as competitors, nor to hanker after their physical or mental benefits. When different sadhakas relate, across their different paths, it's helpful then to recognize their differing commitments, as each sadhaka speaks from a perspective that is taken to be the best for her or for him. With such a recognition, it is sometimes possible to translate across the difference of perspective, and thus to learn from differing experiences in different paths. In particular, I have in mind our currently ongoing discussion about the samadhi states of yogic meditation in relation to the reflective questioning of advaita philosophy. There really is no need to champion one at the expense of the other. The cultivation of samadhi states has long been used quite effectively, in many ancient traditions, in order to expand the mind and to purify the character. Moreover, in the Indian tradition, yogic meditation has been systematically explained and developed in a way that connects it with the practice of Advaita Vedanta philosophy. So, historically, samadhi states have often played a major part in the practice of advaita enquiry. And they still do, at the present time. It would be quite wrong to deny or to belittle this. However, it is also wrong to assert, as some yogins do, that all philosophy is merely theoretical and so it must be put into practice through the yogic cultivation of samadhi states. This assertion is quite simply a misunderstanding of what's meant by the word 'philosophy'. As long described by Advaita Vedanta (and by the ancient Greeks), philosophy is not mere theory. It is not the building up of theories and conceptual pictures that describe the world. Instead, it is a questioning back down, into the assumptions and beliefs on which our theories and our pictures have been founded. It's just that turned back questioning which is the actual practice of philosophy. It is no more or less that a reflective asking for a plain and simple truth -- beneath the theories and the pictures that have been superimposed on it, by construction from obscured and blind habits of assumption and belief. Hence the Greek word 'philosophia', which means 'love of true knowing' (from 'philo-' meaning 'love' and 'sophia' meaning 'wisdom' or 'true knowing'). The essence of philosophy is just the love of truth -- which is sought by asking back down, into the truth of our own knowing. In the early Upanishads, that asking back is clearly and succinctly described, without any mention of yogic meditation. As the Advaita tradition progresses, yogic meditation is increasingly described, as a practice that is used in co-operation with advaita enquiry. As far as I can make out, Shri Shankara also speaks of yogic meditation in this way (though as some list-members have recently pointed out, the position is of course complicated by different ways of interpreting the texts of the Shankara tradition). In classical and medieval India, as bhakti gets to be more emphasized, so does the 'prema' or 'love' aspect of the Advaita tradition, with the result that three aspects come to be more explicitly acknowledged. Advaitic truth is thus described as 'sat-cit-ananda': with the 'sat' or 'existence' aspect approached through the yoga marga (the way of meditative union), the 'cit' or 'consciousness' aspect approached through the jnyana marga (the way of knowledge), and the 'ananda' or 'happiness' aspect approached through the bhakti marga (the way of devotion). In modernizing India, these same three aspects continue to be emphasized -- through their three ways of approach which seem to compete, but which more fundamentally co-operate towards their common goal. And here, in the 20th century, Ramana Maharshi has spoken of an 'arjava marga' or a 'direct approach', which works through 'atma-vicara' or 'self-enquiry'. Soon after Ramana Maharshi, there has been the householder teacher, Shri Atmananda. He was a police officer and a family man, teaching in his native Malayalam and in modern English from his home in Kerala. For most of his disciples, he taught what he called in Malayalam and in Sanskrit the 'vicara marga'. This phrase means literally the 'way of thought' or the 'way of questioning'. But when he taught in modern English, he spoke of this 'vicara marga' in a slightly different way, as the 'direct method'. For both Ramana Maharshi and Shri Atmananda, this 'direct' way does not essentially depend upon the traditional authority of ancient and established texts. Here, the authority of ancient scripture is replaced by a more direct questioning of individual experience, under the guidance of a living teacher. But neither Ramana Maharshi nor Shri Atmananda was disrespectful of the established texts and their traditional ways. Both sages recognized the use of tradition in its proper context. In particular, though Ramana Maharshi did not make much use of scripture in his own sadhana, he did become acquainted with it later on. And he did use it, along with quite some use of yogic meditation and religious worship, to explain his teachings and to help instruct his disciples in their sadhana. Similarly, Shri Atmananda was careful to explain that his 'direct method' was not basically opposed to more traditional methods. He taught his disciples to respect his contemporary sages, like Anandamayi Ma and the Kanci Mahasvami, who instructed their followers through more yogic and more scriptural paths. And he was quite insistent on the need to avoid aggressive and upsetting controversies, with those who follow different paths. The point here is that advaita questioning must always turn its attack upon the questioner's mistakes of assumption and belief. When the attack is turned outside, towards what someone else believes, then that external attack is sadly theoretical. It sadly serves to further build the questioner's constructed theories, which thus increase and reinforce their covering of underlying mistakes and misunderstandings that yet remain to be uncovered and clarified. Advaita questioning is only practical when its attack is turned back in, towards the underlying depth of mind, so that the questioner's own false beliefs are genuinely open to investigation. It's only thus that hidden falsity gets opened up and clarified -- so that true knowing is progressively expressed in truer feelings, clearer thoughts and more useful acts which may arise from it. Whatever path a sadhaka may follow, aggression towards other paths is a misuse of advaita questioning. It's a misuse that goes minding someone else's business. And it thus undermines commitment to the very path that is being misused to mount an attack elsewhere. In any path, one test of genuine commitment is how far it enables an appreciation of the best in other paths. But that, of course, is easier said than done. Ananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Ananda Wood <awood (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: Namaste, Advaita questioning is only practical when its attack is turned back in, towards the underlying depth of mind, so that the questioner's own false beliefs are genuinely open to investigation. It's only thus that hidden falsity gets opened up and clarified -- so that true knowing is progressively expressed in truer feelings, clearer thoughts and more useful acts which may arise from it. Ananda Namaskaram your above statment brings out everything- that we we forget without fail. I had heard Sw Paramarthananda telling us several times, that Vedanta study is not meant to tell others this is it and this is not it, but to ask " to myself" is it?, is that understanding right?, etc...not to advice OTHERS, but to advice ones OWN mind , train ones OWN MIND and INTELLECT etc. Yes, for last few days or weeks this SATSANG forgot about that most important underlying principle...resulting in a lot of HEAT ... but then there is always some good things happening from such situations.. like how fortunate we are to have the posting of Shri Jaishankarji and now your this posting to REMIND us all once again... look inwards....look inwards.. The cool breeze that comes out of your postings will sure make the heat a thing of past..( atleast for the time being until another point comes up like this....but then that is the only way we could be tested and reminded that we are still only students and need to learn a lot...lot more...) very beautiful indeed and namaskaram once again for this posting Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Pai-ji Pranams My salutations to you for bringing out that wonderful message from Swami Paramarthananda-ji. So true. Shri Gurubhyo namah Shyam --- ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr > wrote: I had heard Sw Paramarthananda telling us several times, that Vedanta study is not meant to tell others this is it and this is not it, but to ask " to myself" is it?, is that understanding right?, etc...not to advice OTHERS, but to advice ones OWN mind , train ones OWN MIND and INTELLECT etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Namaste dear all, Shree ram mohan anantha pai ji wrote:- > Yes, for last few days or weeks this SATSANG > forgot about that most important underlying > principle...resulting in a lot of HEAT ... I was also part of the discussions for the past few days and am to be blamed for not realizing it soon enough. Kindly take my word that I will thus withdraw from discussion on this topic on samAdhi. Kind regards, Raghava ________ India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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