Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 praNAms Sri Harsha prabhuji Hare Krishna Sorry for the belated reply...thanks to the brief illness :-)) bhaskar.yr (AT) in (DOT) abb.com wrote: > > Moreover, in the experience of NS, this *event* not only has *from* time, > it has *to* time also...On this day, from 7 AM to 9.30 AM I was > established > in brahman & then came out to do business as usual in this jagat:-)) is it > not??? > > ************************************ > Harsha prabhuji: No. It is not Bhaskar-ji. What you say applies perfectly to deep sleep but would not apply to Nirvikalpa Samadhi at all. bhaskar : Kindly let me know when somebody say that I have entered some state on such & such date say from 7 to 9.30 AM whether they are talking about deep sleep state or NS...No offence is intended here just my curious question based on time bound realization of Atman. Harsha prabhuji: Nirvikalpa Samadhi, on the other hand, is entered into consciously by the mind and the mind is absorbed into pure consciousness that is Sat-Chit-Ananda, and it comes out consciously thus fully understanding the nature of unbroken, continuous, and perpetual consciousness that is pure being-awareness, and bliss which underlies all states and modifications. bhaskar : Kindly let me know *the experiencer* of NS has any avidyA lEsha during the period of NS...what exactly is the difference between deep sleep & NS in the terms of *experience*?? if the state of NS is an absolute realization there is no trace of avidyA, how can an experiencer of NS can again come back to this world to do business, in other words what brings him back to this avidyA prapaNcha ?? if there is a residue of avidyA even during the NS, then I can hardly see any difference between deep sleep state & NS..... infact I have asked this question in one of my previous mail...I think nobody has answered this question from the vEdAntic perspective ...(except off the list by Sri Vinayaka prabhuji..but answer he provided is based on some traditional belief which I think irrelevant here ) Namaste Love to all Harsha Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Namaste friends, Bhaskar-ji asks Harsha, ".... what exactly is the difference between deep sleep & NS in the terms of *experience*??" I wonder if it is possible to approach this in a slightly different way. Namely, instead of asking people to provide answers to substantiate their views, after which 'we' / 'I' / 'you' can then refute them at leisure, why not simply adopt the view as a temporary working hypothesis. Lets accept for the time being that those people who enter into what we call "Kevala Nirvikalpa samadhi" describe a sense of profundity which is beyond words to describe. They often report that, paradoxically, it was an 'experience' where ego was not. "Paradox" seems to be a key word as they tend to admit, with a sense of frustration when others try to pin them down in words, that all words, descriptions do no justice at all to what they are trying to describe and lead only to contradictions if pushed to far. At the same such individuals recognise that this indescribable 'timeless' happening ("happening" - again, words place the timeless back in time and therefore do it not justice) also has a profound effect on 'normal' life. Many describe that what was only a conceptual understanding prior to the 'experience' has a direct meaning in their normal lives thereafter - for example, a direct sense of 'unity with all', a 'love and compassion for all beings', 'an unshakeable certainty' as to the reality of the Self and that the Self and Brahman are one, etc etc. Some also report that passages in the scriptures which previously were not understandable, now seem clear and the truth behind those previously obscure passages now resonates deeply in their Heart. There are many more similar descriptions, if one cares to explore. Now, as far as I know, this is not the usual thing people describe when they wake up in the morning, after 'deep sleep'. So, if we are willing to adopt a temporary working hypothesis that there is a difference between this so called 'samadhi state' and 'deep sleep' why not explore, with an open mind, what might account for it and how it might be explained. It seems to me that if we work together to positively explore a line of thought there is a possibility we may come up with different kinds of conversations and 'answers' than we do in the 'proponent vs opponent' method. Just a thought. Best wishes to all Advaitins, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Dear Bhaskar-ji: Namaste Sorry to hear about your illness. Glad you have made a full recovery. Nirvikalpa Samadhi is Self-Recognition in which the mind is absorbed consciously in the Heart and the fullness of Self-Aware Bliss presents itself to itself as Sat-Chit-Ananda. If you earnestly wish to know about Nirvikalpa Samadhi, you can engage in sadhana of meditation on the Self and persistent self-inquiry and see for your self. If we have the intense desire to know something, through grace, the means are provided to us. The best answers are those that come from one's own experience and knowledge based on direct perception. Anything that I can tell you will not be helpful at this point. Love to all Harsha bhaskar.yr (AT) in (DOT) abb.com wrote: > > > praNAms Sri Harsha prabhuji > Hare Krishna > > bhaskar : > > Kindly let me know *the experiencer* of NS has any avidyA lEsha during the > period of NS...what exactly is the difference between deep sleep & NS in > the terms of *experience*?? if the state of NS is an absolute realization > there is no trace of avidyA, how can an experiencer of NS can again come > back to this world to do business, in other words what brings him back to > this avidyA prapaNcha ?? if there is a residue of avidyA even during the > NS, then I can hardly see any difference between deep sleep state & > NS..... > infact I have asked this question in one of my previous mail...I think > nobody has answered this question from the vEdAntic perspective ...(except > off the list by Sri Vinayaka prabhuji..but answer he provided is based on > some traditional belief which I think irrelevant here ) > > Namaste > Love to all > Harsha > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > bhaskar > > __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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