hallucinogenic in kundalini yoga

September 14, 2006

Sat Nam, Ji,

Trying to raise your consciousness while abusing that same consciousness or awareness does not make sense. Yoga gives us the ability to see ourselves and our divinity clearly. If you cloud that vision with chemicals and hallucinations how can you know what's really there? I repeat: Stop doing drugs.. Do Yoga and Meditation.

Please listen to the wisdom of what was written above. Also, don't be afaid to join a support group to help you out of the drugs.

I have a friend who is a recovered drug user. He always says of himself: "I can't be sober and using at the same time."

Sunder k

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September 15, 2006

Hi

I know exactly what you mean. i have been/ still in the identical

situation.drugs used by me may be different also the methods for yoga

may be different, but in essence,i have also done the same, mixed

kundalini and drugs.

for me it was like, that it was only after i used, i was able to

focus on the inside. else, all my desires/ needs etc prevented me to

focus on kundalini or god or whatever we may want to call.

in addition, i have been diagnosed with having 'bipolar disorder',

whose first episode happend after i was using drugs and trying arouse

kundalini for 2 years.

I have come across few books, which talk about kundalini with respect

to the new modern science. They suggest(i believe correctly), that

meditation ie focus of mind etc lead us to an altered state of mind,

which is the same thing which drugs also do. Drugs also alter the

state of mind. So, somehow at sometime, a dose of drug has altered

the state of mind in a way, which helps in arousing kundalini(ie when

the mind has no activity and prana become equal in Ida and Pingla),

than, kundalini would INFACT BE AROUSED..

Till now, there is no problem.

Problem lies with the behaviour of Drugs and the way they react and

work on our mind/ brain.

Drugs induced, mind alteration(mood alteration), is not consistent.

when person would start, it would take 1mg of drug to achieve a

particular state of mind, but 5 days later, 1mg would not be

sufficient, it would require 2mg and slowly, a point is reached, when

no quantity of drug is able to generate the same state of mind. THIS

IS THE PROBLEM.. because, as one continue using drugs, our brain

start trying function normal with that drug. so there come a state

when, with the drug, there is NO change in the state of mind BUT, and

this is BIG PROBLEM - the drug has become a NEED of our brain to

function at all. SO, on one hand, we cannot reach that altered state

of mind which could have had helped us gain some spiritual power, AND

on other hand, our brain is dependant on DRUG, which ofcourse slowly

damage the brain......

So, in the end, we are left with damaged brain functions, unable to

be in touch with our spirit, and on a very very tough spot.

Because, now, even YOGA would not take us to that altered state of

mind. FIRST, we need to get rid of the damage of brain to regain that

normal state, THAN, YOGA would help. Sure, yoga would help in getting

the brain damage fixed also, BUT its very tough.

i am also lost in a way, and donot know how to do what to do.

Kundaliniyoga, "David W. Van Brunt"

<starsignsystems wrote:

>

> I know what you are going through I wish i could help...do you

have access to messenger?

>

> kullayki_79 <kullayki_79 wrote: hi my friends in

Kundalini koga, firts, My name is Willy Iparraguirre

> AND I'M VERY WORRIED about my experience with drugs, i stareted to

do

> Kundalini Yoga 2 years ago when my life was in a complete disaster,

> but unfortunately my master and me had to separate each other to

> continue with our learnship, now after prtacticing yoga by myself

> instead of doig with a proper master, in fact is very difficult to

> find a good trainer in kundalini yoga in Peru my country, actually

> there is no much trainer in peru i know there are just three or

more,

> anyway, as i told you i had a very difficult and interesting

> experience with drug, almost everything, cocaine, cannabis, acids,

> pills, i use to take pills( stellazine, antipsicothics,

> dimetiltriptamina, and so one and so one) even sacred plants that

> ancient peruvian culture considered as sacred as sain peter it

looks

> like a cactus containing mezkaline, how ever as i haven't

practicing

> yoga every day i start to consume drug by just maryjane verey day

> i've tried to do yoga as well at the same time having a very

> interesting awakening, i know is not proper to get durgs a n doing

> yoga at once, but i was so desperate i get stretching muscles of my

> knees, elbows, necks, please understandme, i needed to do that it

was

> my unique source in this time, but now i need to do yoga my body,

my

> mind an my soul are requeriming that, thanks for your answer my

> friend in Kundalini Yoga

> sincerely

> Willy

>

> david W. Van Brunt

>

September 16, 2006

As a new user, please can someone confirm are we allowed to discuss drugs

and drug use in this forum. According to the rules of this forum we are not

supposed to. There seems to be some discussion of the subject going on at

the moment.

**Moderators Note: The original post by 'Willy' was a request for advice, not a description of results of drug use with yoga, we do monitor threads for context too. But the advice below should be heeded as our teacher's position on the subject is clear. DON'T TAKE DRUGS AND DO KUNDALINI YOGA. Willy has received good advice i believe any further exchange regarding this thread should be OFFBOARD. Thanks

14. DRUGS - Yogi Bhajan has stated many times that drug taking has no place

in the practice of Kundalini yoga. As this subject has caused controversy on

the list in the past, and consumed a lot of bandwidth, it has been ruled

off-topic. Please do not start a thread on this subject, nor reply to anyone

else who does.

Sat Nam

Jacqui