This is a Cosmopolitan group..I second tis statement. 14/9

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Dear Ashutosh,

I agree we must show some restraint in the way we have to say things or some tact , I have had contacts with people from Pak and China from 2 yrs before entring this group, and did not mind helping anyone who wants help

Well we must not forget both in Ramayana where Rama sends Angadha once for diplomacy 2nd for an auspicious time to start the war to Ravana, who is supposed to be a master of many branches of knowledge is also known as Maha Brahamana [but for the lust aspect]. ravana's flair for music and the raga Kadana kuthala ragam and one more i forgot are well known.

Ravana dispassionately gives the time to start the war. this rama did to show that ravana was a great scholar too.

second is Mahabharatha where dryudhona asks Nakula a similar request and gives one honestly, which Krishna feels was good but unwanted so to delay the Muhurtha given the Geeta Upedesha episode of war is introduced conviently by the master craftsmen Krishna again this knowledge is time imortal.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I FEEL HERE IN RIZWAN KHAN is not from where he comes but what he asks. he has from day one asked me abot his 7th house Chandra and sani IF HIS WIFE WILL BE A VIRGIN.

this I felt is not the scope of astrology what if anyones makes a comment with or without know fully the rules to interpret it, he will suspect his wife/wives thru his life and we are causing misery to a few women.

TRUTH or satya must be sat-chit-ananda=satchinanda no one must get hurt by our truth. though facts a re bitter all bitter things can't be facts.

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote: Dear Bhaskar,

Is it proper to voice your inner feelings and fears on such public forums open to all nationalities, religions and communities. If one has so many fears, one should not join global discussion groups.

We all have inner feelings, likes and dislikes. We are all humans. But, it is a wrong habit to express oneself without thinking of the impact of our words on others.

Rizwan has made a mistake and his actions are deporable, but by your own lack of restraint, you have committed a bigger folly.

Why do you always end up in such controversies, over and over again? Such outbursts overshadow all the good work which you do on groups.

We are not here to send bad signals about astrologers and astrology.

I have more than a hundred clients from Pakistan and of Pakistani origin. They show me all due respect, follow my advices properly, meet me whenever they happen to visit India for business or religious purposes, and are no different from my Indian clients in any way.

People do not create war and borders, politicians do. The common man is same, everywhere, with similar problems.

Ashutosh

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Bhaskar

Thursday, 14 September, 2006 21:18

Re: This is a Cosmopolitan group..I second tis statement.

Sir,

In my case i have no prejudice, no bias, towards any nation, race or

nationality, but given conditions as of now in India, we certainly

have fear inside not to communicate much with certain nation.

So nothing wrong is expressing fear. And this fear is rightly

so. But personally nothing with the boy.

When he first came on my chat. he spoke really lovinlgy and

respectfully. and he was the first one and first name when i learnt

to chat on , so nothing personal against him i still say.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Tatvam Asi ji,

>

> I spent a long time in middle east - with lots of friends

(professional and personal both) from Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh

etc. I agree that, no race / nationality etc need to be looked at in

prejudiced manner..but that is my view. Each astrologer might have

his own perception.

>

> I am just questioning the way, querent work in unethical manner and

press for the readings.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It is easy to change your expectations. You can do it in an

instant. And that can be a problem. Too often, we lower our

expectations because that is easier than overcoming the obstacles

which stand in the way of fulfilling those expectations.

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > om_tatsat_om

> > Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:16:19 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: This is a Cosmopolitan group..I second tis

statement.

> >

> > I strongly agree with Ashutosh . I have many Pakistanis and

Bangladeshi

> > people working in a plant where I work in Detroit.

> > They are most wonderful people you can ever meet. On the

contrary, I

> > have about fifteen Indian families living in our complex and they

are as

> > remote by choice as a distant star.(we tried to make friends but

they

> > want to remain aloof).

> >

> > Rizwan tried to ask too much. I agree that he cannot expect

people MUST

> > REPLY to his questions.

> >

> > This group is cosmopolitan and a multinational group. So people

from

> > all over the world will be there.

> >

> > Bhaskar should understand this.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> >

> >

> > astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh wrote:

> > Dear all,

> >

> > It is highly unfortunate and unexpected of any member of this

group to

> > try to discriminate on the basis of the querist's nationality.

> >

> > This is a cosmopolitan group. There are and there will be members

from

> > all over the globe here. Tanvir, the owner-moderator, and a very

refined

> > astrologer himself, is from Bangladesh. Knowledge knows no

boundaries. It

> > is for all.

> >

> > This is not a 'only for India' group. Please remember that.

> >

> > If one does not want to answer, one should give valid and

justified

> > reasons. There is no need to show one's personal prejudices

against any

> > race or nation. Astrologers should have the broadest of thinking.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> > -

> > rizwan khan

> >

> > Thursday, 14 September, 2006 19:37

> > Re: Re: is it necessary to ask question several

times to

> > get answer

> >

> > first of all you are lieing in group that i am asking this

question in

> > this group from the last 2 months i asked my personal question in

this

> > group after 2 years

> > and secondly ' who r u to decide whether GOD should help me or

nt ' u

> > better take of ur self and seconldy i dont address any specfic

person to

> > reply my question so u just give answers to those questions of

which u r

> > capable

> > and i dont want some one pass remarks about me as i never pass any

> > remarks for any one so better carefull next time in lieing

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> > Dear Mrutunjaya,

> >

> > His posts are on almost all Forums, I mean his enquiries,

> > first as a student, next as a direct native.

> > Also has chatted on almost all astrologers private chats in this

> > and other Forums too.

> > This is being going on since last two months.

> > If still the answers are not received by the gentleman

> > than I think even God would not be able

> > to help him.

> > I have nothing against the person, but only against his

> > attitude, of asking too much,wanting to know too much,

> > and the satiation level having no end. The subject line

> > itself is a put off. "Is it necessary to ask........."

> > It would have been better for him to ask "Is it necessary

> > to request several ........."

> > One more thing, though he seems to be a sincere

> > seeker/learner/student (???) yet when he approached me many

> > times on the chat and said he was from Lahore,Pakistan,

> > it made me apprehensive ,whether I should continue to be

> > in touch with him or not. Though the science has no

> > boundaries yet its a fact that on the other side of the wall,

> > we would not like to have to do anything remotely connected.,

> > or keep any sort of connections.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > , jyotish mrutyunjay

> > <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Rizwan,

> >>

> >> You have asked 7 questions.

> >>

> >> This group is for providing Remedial Measures to the

> >> seriously needy people- not for people like u and me

> >> who are well and fine.

> >>

> >> You should contact professional astrologers- who will

> >> be able to at least devote 5/6 hours time to answer

> >> all your questions satisfactorily.

> >>

> >> Please limit your questions to one or two- which are

> >> really causing serious worries to you. Do not ask

> >> non-serious and non-urgent questions.

> >>

> >> Then only someone from the group will be kind enough

> >> to see your chart.

> >>

> >> With regards,

> >>

> >> Mrutyunjay

> >>

> >>

> >> My personal email id is astrologer.mrutyunjay@ for out of group

> > contact and professional consultations.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> > RIZ KHAN

> >

> >

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