Whither Modern Jyotish? general discussion

[Guest guest]

Dear Forum Members,

 

Jyotish means many different things to each of us. Sometimes our

personal leanings and emotions cloud our expression but speaking

personally it means primarily two things or attitudes as little as I

can see.

 

Jyotish is something analytical/intellectual. We analyze, dissect,

tease it and lay it threadbare then we spin it all back into a

garment that someone can wear! It reminds me of a sheep who was shorn

naked so that its natural insulator could become someone's sweater!

The sheep will grow the wool back again and again be shorn to clothe

another shivering child! The child gets the warmth and perhaps

escapes death from freezing! The sheep gets the good karma for coming

to aid and may never be born as a poor child shivering in cold

poverty (I hope). And the person who shears the sheep and sells the

wool and gains therefrom, though knowing fully well that the sheep

will grow the wool again and while it is bald, makes sure it is warm!

 

We are talking about human experience! Human interference as some may

call or others may call human understanding of nature! That would be

science, I suppose? But it is a fine line between gracefully enjoying

nature's bounties and sawing the very branch on the tree of life that

we are sitting upon! And yet as scriptures say ... <let us not go

there! What Kalidas must do, Kalidas must do!!>

 

The other format of jyotish is, I believe, devotional! Duality again!

 

Always there will be something to choose in this worldly reality.

MAYA

 

MA or YA-hoo!

 

I rest my case!!

 

Rohiniranjan

<formica rufa>

the worker ant

[Guest guest]

RRji,

 

Choosing between Ma and Ya-hoo is very easy, can be done in a jiffy.

but practically is it not prudent to balance the duality? But that

is difficult.

Dwelling on the MA is so heady, the mind/ consciousness

/whatever refuses to clear.Ya-hoo too is equally potent, one can

even lose touch of terra firma. What is the recipe for the ideal mix?

Another worker ant in line sir, behind you,

Nalini

 

 

 

, "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Forum Members,

>

> Jyotish means many different things to each of us. Sometimes our

> personal leanings and emotions cloud our expression but speaking

> personally it means primarily two things or attitudes as little as

I

> can see.

>

> Jyotish is something analytical/intellectual. We analyze, dissect,

> tease it and lay it threadbare then we spin it all back into a

> garment that someone can wear! It reminds me of a sheep who was

shorn

> naked so that its natural insulator could become someone's

sweater!

> The sheep will grow the wool back again and again be shorn to

clothe

> another shivering child! The child gets the warmth and perhaps

> escapes death from freezing! The sheep gets the good karma for

coming

> to aid and may never be born as a poor child shivering in cold

> poverty (I hope). And the person who shears the sheep and sells

the

> wool and gains therefrom, though knowing fully well that the sheep

> will grow the wool again and while it is bald, makes sure it is

warm!

>

> We are talking about human experience! Human interference as some

may

> call or others may call human understanding of nature! That would

be

> science, I suppose? But it is a fine line between gracefully

enjoying

> nature's bounties and sawing the very branch on the tree of life

that

> we are sitting upon! And yet as scriptures say ... <let us not go

> there! What Kalidas must do, Kalidas must do!!>

>

> The other format of jyotish is, I believe, devotional! Duality

again!

>

> Always there will be something to choose in this worldly reality.

> MAYA

>

> MA or YA-hoo!

>

> I rest my case!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

> <formica rufa>

> the worker ant

>

[Guest guest]

The glue of passion (attachment) that keeps us unbalanced since it

prevents us from quickly shifting our poise to arrive at the center

of gravity (grounding).

 

Akarma as KN Rao ji describes in his book on reincarnation.

 

RR

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> RRji,

>

> Choosing between Ma and Ya-hoo is very easy, can be done in a

jiffy.

> but practically is it not prudent to balance the duality? But that

> is difficult.

> Dwelling on the MA is so heady, the mind/ consciousness

> /whatever refuses to clear.Ya-hoo too is equally potent, one can

> even lose touch of terra firma. What is the recipe for the ideal

mix?

> Another worker ant in line sir, behind you,

> Nalini

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Forum Members,

> >

> > Jyotish means many different things to each of us. Sometimes our

> > personal leanings and emotions cloud our expression but speaking

> > personally it means primarily two things or attitudes as little

as

> I

> > can see.

> >

> > Jyotish is something analytical/intellectual. We analyze,

dissect,

> > tease it and lay it threadbare then we spin it all back into a

> > garment that someone can wear! It reminds me of a sheep who was

> shorn

> > naked so that its natural insulator could become someone's

> sweater!

> > The sheep will grow the wool back again and again be shorn to

> clothe

> > another shivering child! The child gets the warmth and perhaps

> > escapes death from freezing! The sheep gets the good karma for

> coming

> > to aid and may never be born as a poor child shivering in cold

> > poverty (I hope). And the person who shears the sheep and sells

> the

> > wool and gains therefrom, though knowing fully well that the

sheep

> > will grow the wool again and while it is bald, makes sure it is

> warm!

> >

> > We are talking about human experience! Human interference as some

> may

> > call or others may call human understanding of nature! That would

> be

> > science, I suppose? But it is a fine line between gracefully

> enjoying

> > nature's bounties and sawing the very branch on the tree of life

> that

> > we are sitting upon! And yet as scriptures say ... <let us not go

> > there! What Kalidas must do, Kalidas must do!!>

> >

> > The other format of jyotish is, I believe, devotional! Duality

> again!

> >

> > Always there will be something to choose in this worldly reality.

> > MAYA

> >

> > MA or YA-hoo!

> >

> > I rest my case!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > <formica rufa>

> > the worker ant

> >

>

[Guest guest]

RRji,

Does detachment always mean pain or let me put it this way does it

have to be a natural conclusion of pain, disillusionment.

Maya does not spare detachment too, sometimes one(mostly I) thinks

he/she is detached only to find pain which does show

involvement/attachment.

What are those(planets, rashis etc) that signify detachment, lack of

Moha in a horoscope, and those that signify the opposite.

I understand that they cannot be viewed in isolation but

holistically!

 

Nalini

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> The glue of passion (attachment) that keeps us unbalanced since it

> prevents us from quickly shifting our poise to arrive at the

center

> of gravity (grounding).

>

> Akarma as KN Rao ji describes in his book on reincarnation.

>

> RR

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> >

> > Choosing between Ma and Ya-hoo is very easy, can be done in a

> jiffy.

> > but practically is it not prudent to balance the duality? But

that

> > is difficult.

> > Dwelling on the MA is so heady, the mind/ consciousness

> > /whatever refuses to clear.Ya-hoo too is equally potent, one can

> > even lose touch of terra firma. What is the recipe for the ideal

> mix?

> > Another worker ant in line sir, behind you,

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Forum Members,

> > >

> > > Jyotish means many different things to each of us. Sometimes

our

> > > personal leanings and emotions cloud our expression but

speaking

> > > personally it means primarily two things or attitudes as

little

> as

> > I

> > > can see.

> > >

> > > Jyotish is something analytical/intellectual. We analyze,

> dissect,

> > > tease it and lay it threadbare then we spin it all back into a

> > > garment that someone can wear! It reminds me of a sheep who

was

> > shorn

> > > naked so that its natural insulator could become someone's

> > sweater!

> > > The sheep will grow the wool back again and again be shorn to

> > clothe

> > > another shivering child! The child gets the warmth and perhaps

> > > escapes death from freezing! The sheep gets the good karma for

> > coming

> > > to aid and may never be born as a poor child shivering in cold

> > > poverty (I hope). And the person who shears the sheep and

sells

> > the

> > > wool and gains therefrom, though knowing fully well that the

> sheep

> > > will grow the wool again and while it is bald, makes sure it

is

> > warm!

> > >

> > > We are talking about human experience! Human interference as

some

> > may

> > > call or others may call human understanding of nature! That

would

> > be

> > > science, I suppose? But it is a fine line between gracefully

> > enjoying

> > > nature's bounties and sawing the very branch on the tree of

life

> > that

> > > we are sitting upon! And yet as scriptures say ... <let us not

go

> > > there! What Kalidas must do, Kalidas must do!!>

> > >

> > > The other format of jyotish is, I believe, devotional! Duality

> > again!

> > >

> > > Always there will be something to choose in this worldly

reality.

> > > MAYA

> > >

> > > MA or YA-hoo!

> > >

> > > I rest my case!!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > > <formica rufa>

> > > the worker ant

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nalini ji,

 

As I understand it, detachment should not cause or be associated with

pain. The pain of separation (from objects, people, whatever) may be

triggered by detachment, but it is the remaining unfulfilled

attachment that causes pain. If there is pain, there has not been

true detachment.

 

Desires are generally seen from the fourth house. By extension, the

lord of this house, the lord of the 4th pada (and by bhavat bhavam

the 7th house being fourth from fourth) could be studied for desires.

Since any planet can be the lord of any of these houses, all planets

would show desires, if malefic (not just by intrinsic nature but also

by placement, aspects, associations, nakshatra, dreshkana placement

etc) the attachment or desires will be stronger, if sattwic or

benefic, the attachment will be less.

 

It is a start ...

 

RR

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> RRji,

> Does detachment always mean pain or let me put it this way does it

> have to be a natural conclusion of pain, disillusionment.

> Maya does not spare detachment too, sometimes one(mostly I) thinks

> he/she is detached only to find pain which does show

> involvement/attachment.

> What are those(planets, rashis etc) that signify detachment, lack

of

> Moha in a horoscope, and those that signify the opposite.

> I understand that they cannot be viewed in isolation but

> holistically!

>

> Nalini

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > The glue of passion (attachment) that keeps us unbalanced since

it

> > prevents us from quickly shifting our poise to arrive at the

> center

> > of gravity (grounding).

> >

> > Akarma as KN Rao ji describes in his book on reincarnation.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > >

> > > Choosing between Ma and Ya-hoo is very easy, can be done in a

> > jiffy.

> > > but practically is it not prudent to balance the duality? But

> that

> > > is difficult.

> > > Dwelling on the MA is so heady, the mind/ consciousness

> > > /whatever refuses to clear.Ya-hoo too is equally potent, one

can

> > > even lose touch of terra firma. What is the recipe for the

ideal

> > mix?

> > > Another worker ant in line sir, behind you,

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Forum Members,

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish means many different things to each of us. Sometimes

> our

> > > > personal leanings and emotions cloud our expression but

> speaking

> > > > personally it means primarily two things or attitudes as

> little

> > as

> > > I

> > > > can see.

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish is something analytical/intellectual. We analyze,

> > dissect,

> > > > tease it and lay it threadbare then we spin it all back into

a

> > > > garment that someone can wear! It reminds me of a sheep who

> was

> > > shorn

> > > > naked so that its natural insulator could become someone's

> > > sweater!

> > > > The sheep will grow the wool back again and again be shorn to

> > > clothe

> > > > another shivering child! The child gets the warmth and

perhaps

> > > > escapes death from freezing! The sheep gets the good karma

for

> > > coming

> > > > to aid and may never be born as a poor child shivering in

cold

> > > > poverty (I hope). And the person who shears the sheep and

> sells

> > > the

> > > > wool and gains therefrom, though knowing fully well that the

> > sheep

> > > > will grow the wool again and while it is bald, makes sure it

> is

> > > warm!

> > > >

> > > > We are talking about human experience! Human interference as

> some

> > > may

> > > > call or others may call human understanding of nature! That

> would

> > > be

> > > > science, I suppose? But it is a fine line between gracefully

> > > enjoying

> > > > nature's bounties and sawing the very branch on the tree of

> life

> > > that

> > > > we are sitting upon! And yet as scriptures say ... <let us

not

> go

> > > > there! What Kalidas must do, Kalidas must do!!>

> > > >

> > > > The other format of jyotish is, I believe, devotional!

Duality

> > > again!

> > > >

> > > > Always there will be something to choose in this worldly

> reality.

> > > > MAYA

> > > >

> > > > MA or YA-hoo!

> > > >

> > > > I rest my case!!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > <formica rufa>

> > > > the worker ant

> > > >

> > >

> >

>