Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Posted by Yaduraja on Sep 19, 2006:

 

Dear Ramakanta Prabhu,

PAMHO. AGTSP!

You puzzlingly wrote:

 

> Your suggested question and your explanation is irrelevant to our current

> discussion because currently we are discussing your point b) and not what

> Srila Prabhupada established within ISKCON regarding initiation. We can

> discuss this after we finished your points b) and c).

> I know it's difficult for you, but please try to focus on your point b).

 

I have no idea what you are talking about since point a) which you were

finally, after months of pathetic wrangling, forced to concede states:

 

a) Srila Prabhupada established himself as the sole diksa guru for ISKCON in

1966.

 

And point b) (supported by the NCIP paper) simply asserts the historically

verifiable fact that he issued no countermanding orders that would alter the

above status quo, and hence his position as the sole initiator within the

institution.

 

The diksa guru is the person who gives in initiation, did you not realise

this?

 

Therefore point b) deals directly with ‘what Srila Prabhupada established

within ISKCON regarding initiation’, since it asserts there is no RELEVANT

order (ie one directed at the GBC who were actually responsible for managing

ISKCON) changing the status quo he established within ISKCON way back in

1966, and which you were forced to concede, and in which he is the sole

person giving initiation. So what on earth are you talking about?

 

My point still stands. We know exactly what orders Srila Prabhupada gave

with regards initiation within ISKCON. These orders left intact the status

quo you agree he established in 1966. There is no way an honest person would

accept a proposition to stop such orders on the basis of a phantom order

that no-one knows anything about.

 

> Do you know how a diksa guru orders that he should stop being the diksa

> guru for his institution? What exactly do you want to see? What would you

> accept as an evidence?

 

Srila Prabhupada's orders to the GBC on how initiation was to be managed

were issued in typed form and signed by him. We know this. Do you know this?

 

Why should I 'want to see' any other orders than those that exist? What a

strange question.

 

When Srila Prabhupada described those who talk about something they know

nothing about as exhibiting 'rascaldom', was he conceding defeat? Another

exceedingly foolish point.

Best wishes

Ys

Yadu

 

 

P.S. with regards:

 

"You also claim that an order from Srila Prabhupada that he should stop

being the diksa guru for ISKCON is not on the Folio. I want to verify that.

So please tell me what query you entered in the query box of Folio when you

checked whether such an order is there or not. "

 

You are the person challenging our position so the burden of proof is

obviously on you to prove that there is relevant evidence directed at the

GBC that would countermand the status quo you have already conceded was set

in place by Srila Prabhupada in 1966. You have failed so miserably at

offering counter evidence that now you want my help in your your quest to

challenge Srila Prabhupada's status as the sole diksa guru for ISKCON!

Amazing. You can start by going through every single entry where the word

'initiation' is used. When you have done this you can come back to me and

I'll give you the next word to try.