Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Dear Family, The following question came up in our weekend online class: Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? We would love to hear your thoughts! Sincerely srini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 As Swamiji is so fond of saying, some desires lead us toward the fulfillment of our goals and some away. Desire is not inherently impure. However, if our goal is divine, so should our desires be. Rather than being a hindrence, strong desires for God...well, you know... Jai Maa! Chris , "srini_sadhu" <srini_sadhu wrote: > > Dear Family, > > The following question came up in our weekend online class: > > Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it > necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from > Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? > > We would love to hear your thoughts! > > Sincerely > srini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Dear Sriniji Thanks for your class. Unhappyly I have had problems with during the class perhaps is a problem with my very slow connection, I do not know About your question I think that always we will go to have desires, however when we have a goal we must learn to select the desires that in will help them reach it it. Every things are divine our birth too is divine. The problem is : we forget this all life is divine and we need to remember, (to take off the dust that has hidden our true identity ) and our Guru ands our sadhana help us in this task. Love Kalachandra srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu > escreveu: Dear Family, The following question came up in our weekend online class: Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? We would love to hear your thoughts! Sincerely srini Novidade no Mail: receba alertas de novas mensagens no seu celular. Registre seu aparelho agora! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Namaste Srini: Yes, it is possible to comletely annihilate desire. Indeed the positive proof of that is deep sleep, when it all recedes into seed form. The problem of desire and consequent likes, dislikes, anger, jealusy, greed, fear, pride, lust, delusion etc. persist in greater or lesser amounts until the desirer is there. When by complete surrender or relentless investigation the desirer is seen as false and non existent and one abides in that state, then the limiltless joy that is one's own explodes through.When there is not a desirer all is the manifestation of Brahman and the divine play. When there is a desirer, there is division and all the problems that follow. There is not a need to get rid of desire. The need is to see the desirer as an impostor, as a falsehood, as something or someone outside of the awareness that one is. Until one is stabilized in that state, there is a need for sadhana. This is (sadhana ) the thorn that removes the bigger thorn, this is the stick that is used to churn up the funeral pure that burns itself off in the process. Until stabilized in that state of Para Bhakti or Atma Jnanam, the only worthwhile desire is for para bhakti or atma jnanam. Following initiation by a Brahma Jnani Guru one uses the body, senses, the mind, the intellect, satsang, svadhyaya, temple worship, doing our duties as tools to be used in the process of getting to what one truly is, not what one thinks or assumes one is. Raghu srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu > wrote: Dear Family, The following question came up in our weekend online class: Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? We would love to hear your thoughts! Sincerely srini Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Maybe we should look into using Skype as well. It might be a better alternative to . The new version allows a conference chat of up to 100 people. Jai Maa! Surya - Kala Chandra Friday, September 22, 2006 5:11 AM Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] Question on Chandi Path - please share! Dear Sriniji Thanks for your class. Unhappyly I have had problems with during the class perhaps is a problem with my very slow connection, I do not know About your question I think that always we will go to have desires, however when we have a goal we must learn to select the desires that in will help them reach it it. Every things are divine our birth too is divine. The problem is : we forget this all life is divine and we need to remember, (to take off the dust that has hidden our true identity ) and our Guru ands our sadhana help us in this task. Love Kalachandra srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu > escreveu: Dear Family, The following question came up in our weekend online class: Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? We would love to hear your thoughts! Sincerely srini Novidade no Mail: receba alertas de novas mensagens no seu celular.. Registre seu aparelho agora! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Namaste Devi Mandir Group: I'm new here, and very much a novice, but I would really like to learn. I looked up the Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam on google and I found an online text of it. I can't seem to find it anywhere else. Here's the link http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/db/index.htm Are we supposed to read this during this time or chant it? Part of this is the Chandi Paath, correct? Also, why is this so obscure versus other texts like the Bhagavad Gita for example. Thanks, Starla --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > Maybe we should look into using Skype as well. It > might be a better alternative to . The new > version allows a conference chat of up to 100 > people. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Kala Chandra > > Friday, September 22, 2006 5:11 AM > Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] Question on Chandi > Path - please share! > > > > Dear Sriniji > Thanks for your class. Unhappyly I have had > problems with during the class perhaps is > a problem with my very slow connection, I do not > know About your question I think that always we > will go to have desires, however when we have a goal > we must learn to select the desires that in will > help them reach it it. Every things are divine our > birth too is divine. The problem is : we forget > this all life is divine and we need to remember, (to > take off the dust that has hidden our true identity > ) and our Guru ands our sadhana help us in this > task. > Love > Kalachandra > > srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu > escreveu: > Dear Family, > > The following question came up in our weekend > online class: > > Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? > Could we keep desires in control or is it > necessary to get rid of them? Everything is > divine... be it ego or desire; all come from > Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of > them? > > We would love to hear your thoughts! > > Sincerely > srini > > > > > > > > > > > > Novidade no Mail: receba alertas de novas > mensagens no seu celular. Registre seu aparelho > agora! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 In a message dated 9/22/2006 10:15:06 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, kalachandra2003 .br writes: Dear Sriniji Thanks for your class. Unhappyly I have had problems with during the class perhaps is a problem with my very slow connection, I do not know About your question I think that always we will go to have desires, however when we have a goal we must learn to select the desires that in will help them reach it it. Every things are divine our birth too is divine. The problem is : we forget this all life is divine and we need to remember, (to take off the dust that has hidden our true identity ) and our Guru ands our sadhana help us in this task. Love Kalachandra Namaste Kalachandra, offering to Siva This poem dedicated to Siva from inspired thoughts of devotees as the sun shines in the dust storm on my street and I act, in awareness of narrow avenues in life. Divine rays penetrate my hidden heart and speak to me, not to forget ! boldly proclaiming, reflect this Light that is given ! And still my meekness, part of my inheritance from You challenging me to speak out ! You cannot be forgotten and My thoughts will never perish in this Love offered to You as the most cherished possession of My heart. Love Kanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Did you leave out iccha shakti Raghu? Jai Maa! Chris , raghu srinivasan <amritagita wrote: > > Namaste Srini: > Yes, it is possible to comletely annihilate desire. Indeed the positive proof of that is deep sleep, when it all recedes into seed form. The problem of desire and consequent likes, dislikes, anger, jealusy, greed, fear, pride, lust, delusion etc. persist in greater or lesser amounts until the desirer is there. When by complete surrender or relentless investigation the desirer is seen as false and non existent and one abides in that state, then the limiltless joy that is one's own explodes through.When there is not a desirer all is the manifestation of Brahman and the divine play. When there is a desirer, there is division and all the problems that follow. There is not a need to get rid of desire. The need is to see the desirer as an impostor, as a falsehood, as something or someone outside of the awareness that one is. Until one is stabilized in that state, there is a need for sadhana. This is (sadhana ) the thorn that removes the bigger thorn, this is the stick that is > used to churn up the funeral pure that burns itself off in the process. Until stabilized in that state of Para Bhakti or Atma Jnanam, the only worthwhile desire is for para bhakti or atma jnanam. Following initiation by a Brahma Jnani Guru one uses the body, senses, the mind, the intellect, satsang, svadhyaya, temple worship, doing our duties as tools to be used in the process of getting to what one truly is, not what one thinks or assumes one is. > > Raghu > > srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu wrote: > Dear Family, > > The following question came up in our weekend online class: > > Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it > necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from > Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? > > We would love to hear your thoughts! > > Sincerely > srini > > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Hi Starla, I'm afraid most everyone is distracted and involved with other things during the holidays. I'm afraid I don't know the scriptures very well. I was looking through portions of the Devi Bhagavatam, and though it is hard to tell from that translation, it appears you're right. The battle with Chanda and Munda and Raktabija, and all the others is very similar indeed to the Chandi Path. If you are looking for something to do to honor the goddess this Navaratri, perhaps you could consider a regular mantra japa practice of one of the devi mantras. Choose one and then resolve to repeat it a certain number of times each day with the idea that doing so will increase Her presence in your heart. I'm glad you're here. Welcome. I hope you find all that your heart yearns for here. Jai Maa! Chris , Starla Immak <starla_immak wrote: > > Namaste Devi Mandir Group: > > I'm new here, and very much a novice, but I would > really like to learn. > > I looked up the Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam on google and > I found an online text of it. I can't seem to find it > anywhere else. > > Here's the link > http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/db/index.htm > > Are we supposed to read this during this time or chant > it? Part of this is the Chandi Paath, correct? > > Also, why is this so obscure versus other texts like > the Bhagavad Gita for example. > > Thanks, > Starla > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni wrote: > > > Maybe we should look into using Skype as well. It > > might be a better alternative to . The new > > version allows a conference chat of up to 100 > > people. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Surya > > > > - > > Kala Chandra > > > > Friday, September 22, 2006 5:11 AM > > Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] Question on Chandi > > Path - please share! > > > > > > > > Dear Sriniji > > Thanks for your class. Unhappyly I have had > > problems with during the class perhaps is > > a problem with my very slow connection, I do not > > know About your question I think that always we > > will go to have desires, however when we have a goal > > we must learn to select the desires that in will > > help them reach it it. Every things are divine our > > birth too is divine. The problem is : we forget > > this all life is divine and we need to remember, (to > > take off the dust that has hidden our true identity > > ) and our Guru ands our sadhana help us in this > > task. > > Love > > Kalachandra > > > > srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu escreveu: > > Dear Family, > > > > The following question came up in our weekend > > online class: > > > > Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? > > Could we keep desires in control or is it > > necessary to get rid of them? Everything is > > divine... be it ego or desire; all come from > > Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of > > them? > > > > We would love to hear your thoughts! > > > > Sincerely > > srini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Novidade no Mail: receba alertas de novas > > mensagens no seu celular. Registre seu aparelho > > agora! > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Namastes and Shubha Navarathri Greetings and JAI MAA!! It is indeed an auspicious set of nine days that illuminate the mind and the japa mala should be twirling with extra devotion, dedication, and determination as we worship at the feet of Goddess Durga, as we shun away negative thinking and usher in great positive vibes. It has been a practice in all parts of India ( and now abroad) to allocate this purification process of the victory of good or evil. If we consider the eternal conflicts in our lives, including the aversion to query the duality, then this time is ideal for more inner introspection. Just as Chanda, Munda, Rakthabieeja were part of the great triumphal war by SHREE Mahisha-asura MARDINI DEVI over evil doers , we have only look into our own selves and gather our inner strengths to acquire greater confidence and submit to our innate cleansing to annual redo. Srimad Bhagavatham is a treasure trove of many such great wars and side stories, and we merely reinforce the absolute truth, by these extra special offerings, and pujas. Any occasion is just as good as our thoughts and actions, and may the ever present blessings of Shree MAA and Shree Swamiji envelope our attempts and thus we offer our humble namaskarams and virtual pushpanjali!! JAI MAA JAI DURGA JAI SWAMIJI!!! with humble wishes for peace prosperity health to all babu krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Namaste Chris: I did not leave Iccha Sakti out. Desire is iccha, the ability to desire is iccha shakti. The ultimate goal is to reside / abide in love which is the iccha shakti or jnana shakti or kriya shakti but not in the iccha or jnana or kriya. I wonder if I'm still making sense, the goal is be one with the consciousness with the wielder of these powers, not one of it's manifestations! Raghu Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote: Did you leave out iccha shakti Raghu? Jai Maa! Chris , raghu srinivasan <amritagita wrote: > > Namaste Srini: > Yes, it is possible to comletely annihilate desire. Indeed the positive proof of that is deep sleep, when it all recedes into seed form. The problem of desire and consequent likes, dislikes, anger, jealusy, greed, fear, pride, lust, delusion etc. persist in greater or lesser amounts until the desirer is there. When by complete surrender or relentless investigation the desirer is seen as false and non existent and one abides in that state, then the limiltless joy that is one's own explodes through.When there is not a desirer all is the manifestation of Brahman and the divine play. When there is a desirer, there is division and all the problems that follow. There is not a need to get rid of desire. The need is to see the desirer as an impostor, as a falsehood, as something or someone outside of the awareness that one is. Until one is stabilized in that state, there is a need for sadhana. This is (sadhana ) the thorn that removes the bigger thorn, this is the stick that is > used to churn up the funeral pure that burns itself off in the process. Until stabilized in that state of Para Bhakti or Atma Jnanam, the only worthwhile desire is for para bhakti or atma jnanam. Following initiation by a Brahma Jnani Guru one uses the body, senses, the mind, the intellect, satsang, svadhyaya, temple worship, doing our duties as tools to be used in the process of getting to what one truly is, not what one thinks or assumes one is. > > Raghu > > srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu wrote: > Dear Family, > > The following question came up in our weekend online class: > > Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it > necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from > Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? > > We would love to hear your thoughts! > > Sincerely > srini > > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 hello please can some one tell me what is chandi? raghu srinivasan <amritagita > wrote: Namaste Chris: I did not leave Iccha Sakti out. Desire is iccha, the ability to desire is iccha shakti. The ultimate goal is to reside / abide in love which is the iccha shakti or jnana shakti or kriya shakti but not in the iccha or jnana or kriya. I wonder if I'm still making sense, the goal is be one with the consciousness with the wielder of these powers, not one of it's manifestations! Raghu Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote: Did you leave out iccha shakti Raghu? Jai Maa! Chris , raghu srinivasan <amritagita wrote: > > Namaste Srini: > Yes, it is possible to comletely annihilate desire. Indeed the positive proof of that is deep sleep, when it all recedes into seed form. The problem of desire and consequent likes, dislikes, anger, jealusy, greed, fear, pride, lust, delusion etc. persist in greater or lesser amounts until the desirer is there. When by complete surrender or relentless investigation the desirer is seen as false and non existent and one abides in that state, then the limiltless joy that is one's own explodes through.When there is not a desirer all is the manifestation of Brahman and the divine play. When there is a desirer, there is division and all the problems that follow. There is not a need to get rid of desire. The need is to see the desirer as an impostor, as a falsehood, as something or someone outside of the awareness that one is. Until one is stabilized in that state, there is a need for sadhana. This is (sadhana ) the thorn that removes the bigger thorn, this is the stick that is > used to churn up the funeral pure that burns itself off in the process. Until stabilized in that state of Para Bhakti or Atma Jnanam, the only worthwhile desire is for para bhakti or atma jnanam. Following initiation by a Brahma Jnani Guru one uses the body, senses, the mind, the intellect, satsang, svadhyaya, temple worship, doing our duties as tools to be used in the process of getting to what one truly is, not what one thinks or assumes one is. > > Raghu > > srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu wrote: > Dear Family, > > The following question came up in our weekend online class: > > Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it > necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from > Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? > > We would love to hear your thoughts! > > Sincerely > srini > > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. All new Mail - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 In a message dated 9/25/2006 5:22:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, amritagita writes: I wonder if I'm still making sense, the goal is be one with the consciousness with the wielder of these powers, not one of it's manifestations! Namaste, Perfect sense ( intrinsic power ), Siva is Love, Shakti is Love, pure consciousness of the divine. Love Kanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 And to you, babu! Chris , narayanan krishnan <babuk1008 wrote: > > Namastes and Shubha Navarathri Greetings and JAI MAA!! > > It is indeed an auspicious set of nine days that illuminate the mind and the japa mala should be twirling with extra devotion, dedication, and determination as we worship at the feet of Goddess Durga, as we shun away negative thinking and usher in great positive vibes. It has been a practice in all parts of India ( and now abroad) to allocate this purification process of the victory of good or evil. If we consider the eternal conflicts in our lives, including the aversion to query the duality, then this time is ideal for more inner introspection. Just as Chanda, Munda, Rakthabieeja were part of the great triumphal war by SHREE Mahisha-asura MARDINI DEVI over evil doers , we have only look into our own selves and gather our inner strengths to acquire greater confidence and submit to our innate cleansing to annual redo. > > Srimad Bhagavatham is a treasure trove of many such great wars and side stories, and we merely reinforce the absolute truth, by these extra special offerings, and pujas. Any occasion is just as good as our thoughts and actions, and may the ever present blessings of Shree MAA and Shree Swamiji envelope our attempts and thus we offer our humble namaskarams and virtual pushpanjali!! > > JAI MAA JAI DURGA JAI SWAMIJI!!! > > with humble wishes for peace prosperity health to all > babu krishnan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Yes, I think I understand your meaning, Raghu. You are quite right. I think the point I was trying to make is that we always talk about desirelessnes, a relic, I think, of vedanta, but I feel we forget that it is Her desire that creates and sustains this maya, which is She alone. This Desire is the Great Mystery of life. It is not arbitrary or meaningless. "Sa kali tomar iccha..." All the universe (if I understand kali correctly) is Your desire. I'm nit-picking, no doubt, but it seems important to me, for some reason, to make this distinction. Jai Maa! Chris , raghu srinivasan <amritagita wrote: > > Namaste Chris: I did not leave Iccha Sakti out. Desire is iccha, the ability to desire is iccha shakti. The ultimate goal is to reside / abide in love which is the iccha shakti or jnana shakti or kriya shakti but not in the iccha or jnana or kriya. I wonder if I'm still making sense, the goal is be one with the consciousness with the wielder of these powers, not one of it's manifestations! > > Raghu > > Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 wrote: > Did you leave out iccha shakti Raghu? > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > , raghu srinivasan <amritagita@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Srini: > > Yes, it is possible to comletely annihilate desire. Indeed the > positive proof of that is deep sleep, when it all recedes into seed > form. The problem of desire and consequent likes, dislikes, anger, > jealusy, greed, fear, pride, lust, delusion etc. persist in greater or > lesser amounts until the desirer is there. When by complete surrender > or relentless investigation the desirer is seen as false and non > existent and one abides in that state, then the limiltless joy that is > one's own explodes through.When there is not a desirer all is the > manifestation of Brahman and the divine play. When there is a desirer, > there is division and all the problems that follow. There is not a > need to get rid of desire. The need is to see the desirer as an > impostor, as a falsehood, as something or someone outside of the > awareness that one is. Until one is stabilized in that state, there is > a need for sadhana. This is (sadhana ) the thorn that removes the > bigger thorn, this is the stick that is > > used to churn up the funeral pure that burns itself off in the > process. Until stabilized in that state of Para Bhakti or Atma Jnanam, > the only worthwhile desire is for para bhakti or atma jnanam. > Following initiation by a Brahma Jnani Guru one uses the body, senses, > the mind, the intellect, satsang, svadhyaya, temple worship, doing our > duties as tools to be used in the process of getting to what one truly > is, not what one thinks or assumes one is. > > > > Raghu > > > > srini_sadhu <srini_sadhu@> wrote: > > Dear Family, > > > > The following question came up in our weekend online class: > > > > Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep > desires in control or is it > > necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or > desire; all come from > > Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? > > > > We would love to hear your thoughts! > > > > Sincerely > > srini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > > > > > > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Dear Family, Namaste! Thank you for your thoughtful discussion of the question on desire: Is it possible to completely annihilate desire? Could we keep desires in control or is it necessary to get rid of them? Everything is divine... be it ego or desire; all come from Brahman. Then where is the need to get rid of them? Here is Swamiji's answer to this question: We will not get rid of desire: iccha, kriya, and jnana shaktis are inherent to all existence, every atom. That is desire, action, and knowledge. Our purpose is to discriminate as to which desires will bring us closer to our goals, and which desires will get us in to more trouble so that we are farther from our goals. Love, srini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.