Sri Bhagavan Ramana on Kevala / Sahaja Nirvikalpa samAdhi

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, Harsha wrote:

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> *Thanks Michael, Anna, Jill, for your kind comments. And many

thanks to

> Yosy, Joyce, David, Sam, Era, Alan, Phil, John and others for your

> contributions. I have been running low on time and have not been

able to

> respond fully to the all the posts.

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> Michael, you are right of course in all that you are saying. We are

very

> different and yet the same. It takes one to know one.

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> I am glad to be in all your company. About 10-11 years ago, I was

having

> a conversation with Mamta Bahin, who is the secretary for

Chitrabhanu-ji

> and told her that sometimes I missed the old days of the late 1970s

when

> I was part of the meditative and spiritual community created by my

> teacher and had many people like minded people around. Mamtaji

said,

> "Harshadeva, you will create your own sangha." And so here we are

in

> this Cyber Sangha.

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> In gratitude for all your friendship and blessings.

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> Love to all

> Harsha

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harshaji, where there is honey, ants gather...

 

in the coming of the hebrew new year, i wish all

a very healthy, happy and joyful year.

 

shana tova!

 

loka smasthu sukhino bhaventhu

 

_()_

yosy

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Putthaandu Vaazhthukkal, yosy!

 

yosyx <yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il> wrote: , Harsha wrote:

>

> *Thanks Michael, Anna, Jill, for your kind comments. And many

thanks to

> Yosy, Joyce, David, Sam, Era, Alan, Phil, John and others for your

> contributions. I have been running low on time and have not been

able to

> respond fully to the all the posts.

>

> Michael, you are right of course in all that you are saying. We are

very

> different and yet the same. It takes one to know one.

>

> I am glad to be in all your company. About 10-11 years ago, I was

having

> a conversation with Mamta Bahin, who is the secretary for

Chitrabhanu-ji

> and told her that sometimes I missed the old days of the late 1970s

when

> I was part of the meditative and spiritual community created by my

> teacher and had many people like minded people around. Mamtaji

said,

> "Harshadeva, you will create your own sangha." And so here we are

in

> this Cyber Sangha.

>

> In gratitude for all your friendship and blessings.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

> *

>

 

harshaji, where there is honey, ants gather...

 

in the coming of the hebrew new year, i wish all

a very healthy, happy and joyful year.

 

shana tova!

 

loka smasthu sukhino bhaventhu

 

_()_

yosy

 

 

 

 

 

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, Sampas <S.Pasiencier

wrote:

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> Thanks Harsha.. I love being part of this cyber sangha... I know

you are a busy man so thaks for all you give us..Sam

 

 

Thank you also Harsha, never having been part of any spiritual

community, this cyber space (thank you bill gates, et al) brings us

together in a Holy Communion in the name of the One and only true

God, Love.

 

Anna

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> Harsha

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> Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:49 AM

> Re: Re: Re:

Sri Bhagavan Ramana on Kevala / Sahaja Nirvikalpa samAdhi

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> Thanks Michael, Anna, Jill, for your kind comments. And many

thanks to Yosy, Joyce, David, Sam, Era, Alan, Phil, John and others

for your contributions. I have been running low on time and have not

been able to respond fully to the all the posts.

>

> Michael, you are right of course in all that you are saying. We

are very different and yet the same. It takes one to know one.

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> I am glad to be in all your company. About 10-11 years ago, I

was having a conversation with Mamta Bahin, who is the secretary for

Chitrabhanu-ji and told her that sometimes I missed the old days of

the late 1970s when I was part of the meditative and spiritual

community created by my teacher and had many people like minded

people around. Mamtaji said, "Harshadeva, you will create your own

sangha." And so here we are in this Cyber Sangha.

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> In gratitude for all your friendship and blessings.

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> Love to all

> Harsha

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> Michael Bowes wrote:

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> You have posted masterful observations in regard to Sahaj

Samadhi and Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

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> Please see my further comments below.

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[] On Behalf Of Harsha

> Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:40 PM

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> Re: Re: Sri

Bhagavan Ramana on Kevala / Sahaja Nirvikalpa samAdhi

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> You raise an important question and I hope you don't mind my

answering you in this forum. I will send the response to HS as well.

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> You are right in the case of a Jnani who is in the natural

state referred to as Sahaj Samadhi. He is not attached to the

instrument of perception and experience (mind) and in Him all

delight is Self-delight and all bliss is Self-bliss only. As Sri

Ramana has pointed out, a yogi who has won Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi

has experienced absorption into the Self but until the mind is fully

resolved in the Self, it will sprout back up. Therefore, effort in

some form such as Atma Vichara will continue until the Self

spontaneously manifests in all its fullness.

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> mb: Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a grace that will indeed lead one

on by what ever method or non-method that one may employee or not

employee. For a particular devotee the essential ingredient to the

fulfillment of Jnana is the mind-blowing occasion of Nirvikalpa

Samadhi - an immersion into the Great ONE, the unborn, undying, vast

ocean of consciousness and bliss - unimaginable and inexplicable.

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> What ever comes next, if the body lives through it, simply

happens. For a while one may continue to think that one can

influence the events of their seeming individual life; but one

eventually releases that idea and simply flows with the current of

universal consciousness.

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someone experiences Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the force of it will keep

the person on track to the final destination. The distance between

Nirvikalpa Samadhi and Sahaj Samadhi may be brief or long. It

depends on the person's karmic makeup. We have examples of sages who

satisfy both criteria.

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> Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi involves the immobility of the body

and the merging of the mind along with the Shakti into the spiritual

Heart through what Sri Ramana referred to as Amrita Nadi or Para

Nadi which is a continuation of the Sushmana. Sushmana stretches

from the Muladhara to the Brain through the middle of the spine.

>From the Sahasarara in the brain, the Amrita Nadi starts and comes

down on the front side of the body slightly to the right and merges

in the Spiritual Heart. Sri Ramana mentioned this process many

times. Again, this is a matter of actual experience of the Yogis and

Jnanis.

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> Thus the Self is known in the Heart. Entering the Heart,

everything disappears including the Heart and any such concepts and

the Self that is whole and the nature of pure consciousness is

Recognized as one's own Self.

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> mb: Merging in the Heart is Jnana. It is an overwhelming

experience in which one enters an entirely different and

unimaginable condition, and the world one used to know passes

away. One remaining in this condition for some time drops the

body. One will dehydrate and die. But most persons experiencing

this are so frightened that they do not remain in the condition for

long.

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> As you say, this is affected through the awakening and flow of

Shakti, the bio-spiritual energy. Shakti comes to rest in the

heart. Brahman and Shakti are ONE.

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> One may experience the Kundalini awakening at the navel and

then the Shakti proceeds to the Muladhara. Reputed kundalini adepts

affirm this. But for others the first noticeable movement of the

Goddess may begin at the Muladhara. But in either case the

progression continues as it will until eventually it rests in the

Heart. This process includes the flow of Shakti from the crown into

the Heart. This entire process is depicted in the holy syllable OM.

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> The mandala known as OM is an adaptation of Devangari script

and depicts the movement of the awakened life carried along by the

marvelous agency of the kundalini Shakti. OM is an ancient

representation of a known and supremely marvelous phenomenon that

results in the merging of the known existence into the Heart.

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> OM depicts the arising of Shakti at the navel. OM is

sometimes called PRANAVA (navel). OM depicts the downward movement

of the Shakti from the navel (Manipura) to the Muladhara. It

continues to depict the rise of the Shakt to the crown and back down

to the Heart where the Heart Cave is illumined by the essence of

Consciousness.

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> Love to all

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