Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of Navratri. Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they begin from Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the saturday, so that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. Which means that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form someone who has an idea of this.. Any comments..? -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Consult the Panchangam for your specific area. That is the way to know. The Devi Mandir in Napa is beginning 5 AM on Sat, 9/23. Most places in CA are following this numbering. Here is a good panchangam to consult with: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/panchangam/#2006-2007 Then select the closest city to you. Jai Maa! Surya - Dhirendra Pal Singh Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:15 AM Regarding Navratri, a little urgent Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of Navratri. Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they begin from Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the saturday, so that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. Which means that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form someone who has an idea of this.. Any comments..? -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Dear DP You can download different Panchanga in pdf format, at the Link provided for all different locations on earth and see for yourself what exact date applies for your location: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/panchangam/ , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of Navratri. > > Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they begin from > Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the saturday, so > that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. > > Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. Which means > that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form someone who > has an idea of this.. > > Any comments..? > > -- > Thanks > Dp > [The force is feminine in nature] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi Dp: Navaratri takes place during the "bright" two-week period of Shukla Paksha in the lunar month of Ashwani (Sept/Oct), from the first to the ninth date of that two-week period. Technically the lunar month begins with the New Moon, which in this case occurs on September 22 at 11:45 a.m. GMT (London), which is 5:15 p.m. IST (India), and I think 3:45 a.m. there in California. Thus, in all three locations (albeit just barely in California), September 23 would be the first *full* day of the New Moon. And that is, by all accounts I've seen, when the first night of Navaratri will "officially" be celebrated, in India, in the UK and in the US. It will extend to Oct 1, the ninth night (I listed Oct 2 on the splash page reminder simply because the tenth day is Vijaya Dashami or Dusshera, which is usually kinda the "grand finale" and wrap-up of the Navaratri holidays. That does not mean, however that the pandits of your temple are wrong. I suspect that they are simply adhering to "strict construction" (to use the legal jargon) and starting Navratri at the moment of the full moon -- rather than deferring to the secular, so- called Gregorian calendar that we all live by on a day-to-day basis. Interestingly (and I think Len could probably shed more light on this), the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah -- also calculated based on the lunar month -- corresponds exactly to Navratri ... except, since each new day is calculated from sunset the night before, its start date (like your temple's for Navratri) is calculated as Sept 22. Hope that helps :-p DB , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of Navratri. > > Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they begin from > Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the saturday, so > that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. > > Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. Which means > that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form someone who > has an idea of this.. > > Any comments..? > > -- > Thanks > Dp > [The force is feminine in nature] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Mahamuni, Maha, Dhanyawadam, for a quick reply.. Thanks for telling me about the Napa devi mandir. I think its like 3 hrs drive from San Jose. On http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/panchangam it seems that the closed city is San Francisco. They are saying "Amavasya" is on 21st.. that is today.. Which actually means that navrate begins from 22. Man this is tough.. Pherhaps I should follow the Devi Mandir, as it also aligns with India, time. BTW Mahamuni how did you find out when "Devi Mandir" in napa was begining at... I couldnt find anything on this himalayanacademy website. Thanks and Regards Dp On 9/21/06, Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > Consult the Panchangam for your specific area. That is the way to know. > > The Devi Mandir in Napa is beginning 5 AM on Sat, 9/23. Most places in CA > are following this numbering. > > Here is a good panchangam to consult with: > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/panchangam/#2006-2007 > > Then select the closest city to you. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Dhirendra Pal Singh > > Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:15 AM > Regarding Navratri, a little urgent > > > Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of Navratri. > > Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they begin > from > Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the saturday, > so > that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. > > Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. Which > means > that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form someone > who > has an idea of this.. > > Any comments..? > > -- > Thanks > Dp > [The force is feminine in nature] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi, I know about the Devi Mandir because I am a devotee of Shree Maa and Sw. Satyanandaji. I frequent the site regularly and visit there when I can. Their calendar for the year is at: http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal/node/258 The homepage of the site is http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal/ Jai Maa! Surya - Dhirendra Pal Singh Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:19 AM Re: Regarding Navratri, a little urgent Mahamuni, Maha, Dhanyawadam, for a quick reply.. Thanks for telling me about the Napa devi mandir. I think its like 3 hrs drive from San Jose. On http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/panchangam it seems that the closed city is San Francisco. They are saying "Amavasya" is on 21st.. that is today.. Which actually means that navrate begins from 22. Man this is tough.. Pherhaps I should follow the Devi Mandir, as it also aligns with India, time. BTW Mahamuni how did you find out when "Devi Mandir" in napa was begining at... I couldnt find anything on this himalayanacademy website. Thanks and Regards Dp On 9/21/06, Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > Consult the Panchangam for your specific area. That is the way to know. > > The Devi Mandir in Napa is beginning 5 AM on Sat, 9/23. Most places in CA > are following this numbering. > > Here is a good panchangam to consult with: > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/panchangam/#2006-2007 > > Then select the closest city to you. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Dhirendra Pal Singh > > Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:15 AM > Regarding Navratri, a little urgent > > > Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of Navratri. > > Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they begin > from > Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the saturday, > so > that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. > > Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. Which > means > that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form someone > who > has an idea of this.. > > Any comments..? > > -- > Thanks > Dp > [The force is feminine in nature] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 At 4:45 Pacific time, for all the Califas people out there. It looks like a very powerful Navaratri, what with the eclipse kickoff (with Mars involved, pray for peace) and Rosh Hashanah coinciding. Max >Technically the lunar month begins with the New Moon, which in this >case occurs on September 22 at 11:45 a.m. GMT (London), which is >5:15 p.m. IST (India), and I think 3:45 a.m. there in California. >Thus, in all three locations (albeit just barely in California), >September 23 would be the first *full* day of the New Moon. > >And that is, by all accounts I've seen, when the first night of >Navaratri will "officially" be celebrated, in India, in the UK and >in the US. It will extend to Oct 1, the ninth night (I listed Oct 2 >on the splash page reminder simply because the tenth day is Vijaya >Dashami or Dusshera, which is usually kinda the "grand finale" and >wrap-up of the Navaratri holidays. > >That does not mean, however that the pandits of your temple are >wrong. I suspect that they are simply adhering to "strict >construction" (to use the legal jargon) and starting Navratri at the >moment of the full moon -- rather than deferring to the secular, so- >called Gregorian calendar that we all live by on a day-to-day basis. > >Interestingly (and I think Len could probably shed more light on >this), the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah -- also calculated based >on the lunar month -- corresponds exactly to Navratri ... except, >since each new day is calculated from sunset the night before, its >start date (like your temple's for Navratri) is calculated as Sept >22. > >Hope that helps :-p > >DB > > ><%40>, >"Dhirendra Pal Singh" ><dpal.singh wrote: >> >> Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of >Navratri. >> >> Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they >begin from >> Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the >saturday, so >> that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. >> >> Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. >Which means >> that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form >someone who >> has an idea of this.. >> >> Any comments..? >> >> -- >> Thanks >> Dp >> [The force is feminine in nature] >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Devi Bhakta ji, Dhanyawadm. Thanks a lot for clearing the confising. I dont want to take any chances. As once I start my thingi, and figured out that there was some small mistake that was made, then I will have to again wait for a long time before navratri will come again.. So September 23 it is.. Har Har Mahadev.. Again, thanks and regard.. Dp On 9/21/06, Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta > wrote: > > Hi Dp: > > Navaratri takes place during the "bright" two-week period of Shukla > Paksha in the lunar month of Ashwani (Sept/Oct), from the first to > the ninth date of that two-week period. > > Technically the lunar month begins with the New Moon, which in this > case occurs on September 22 at 11:45 a.m. GMT (London), which is > 5:15 p.m. IST (India), and I think 3:45 a.m. there in California. > Thus, in all three locations (albeit just barely in California), > September 23 would be the first *full* day of the New Moon. > > And that is, by all accounts I've seen, when the first night of > Navaratri will "officially" be celebrated, in India, in the UK and > in the US. It will extend to Oct 1, the ninth night (I listed Oct 2 > on the splash page reminder simply because the tenth day is Vijaya > Dashami or Dusshera, which is usually kinda the "grand finale" and > wrap-up of the Navaratri holidays. > > That does not mean, however that the pandits of your temple are > wrong. I suspect that they are simply adhering to "strict > construction" (to use the legal jargon) and starting Navratri at the > moment of the full moon -- rather than deferring to the secular, so- > called Gregorian calendar that we all live by on a day-to-day basis. > > Interestingly (and I think Len could probably shed more light on > this), the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah -- also calculated based > on the lunar month -- corresponds exactly to Navratri ... except, > since each new day is calculated from sunset the night before, its > start date (like your temple's for Navratri) is calculated as Sept > 22. > > Hope that helps :-p > > DB > > > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" > <dpal.singh wrote: > > > > Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of > Navratri. > > > > Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they > begin from > > Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the > saturday, so > > that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. > > > > Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. > Which means > > that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form > someone who > > has an idea of this.. > > > > Any comments..? > > > > -- > > Thanks > > Dp > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Thanks for the web link. As a matter of fact, one of collegue was tell me about her. And I was thinking of paying a visit there, in case I get clearance from Mother.... Thanks for the links.. Perhaps I will see you there sometime.. Regards Dp On 9/21/06, Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > Hi, > > I know about the Devi Mandir because I am a devotee of Shree Maa and Sw. > Satyanandaji. I frequent the site regularly and visit there when I can. > > Their calendar for the year is at: > > http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal/node/258 > > The homepage of the site is > > http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal/ > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 On 9/21/06, Max Dashu <maxdashu (AT) lmi (DOT) net> wrote: > > At 4:45 Pacific time, for all the Califas people out there. It looks > like a very powerful Navaratri, what with the eclipse kickoff (with > Mars involved, pray for peace) and Rosh Hashanah coinciding. Dear Max, 4:45 AM or PM. I will assume its AM since nothing is mentioned. Also I was trying to go through the link DB had sent. This is what I understood.. Eclipse will start at 09:48 UT. Which means for pacific the time will be -7 hours. That means it will be like 02.00 AM. Which means that it will not be seen in Californai. DB, Did I underand it correctly ? Thanks Dp PS: Eclipse is a very good time to do praying/sadhana. Max > > >Technically the lunar month begins with the New Moon, which in this > >case occurs on September 22 at 11:45 a.m. GMT (London), which is > >5:15 p.m. IST (India), and I think 3:45 a.m. there in California. > >Thus, in all three locations (albeit just barely in California), > >September 23 would be the first *full* day of the New Moon. > > > >And that is, by all accounts I've seen, when the first night of > >Navaratri will "officially" be celebrated, in India, in the UK and > >in the US. It will extend to Oct 1, the ninth night (I listed Oct 2 > >on the splash page reminder simply because the tenth day is Vijaya > >Dashami or Dusshera, which is usually kinda the "grand finale" and > >wrap-up of the Navaratri holidays. > > > >That does not mean, however that the pandits of your temple are > >wrong. I suspect that they are simply adhering to "strict > >construction" (to use the legal jargon) and starting Navratri at the > >moment of the full moon -- rather than deferring to the secular, so- > >called Gregorian calendar that we all live by on a day-to-day basis. > > > >Interestingly (and I think Len could probably shed more light on > >this), the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah -- also calculated based > >on the lunar month -- corresponds exactly to Navratri ... except, > >since each new day is calculated from sunset the night before, its > >start date (like your temple's for Navratri) is calculated as Sept > >22. > > > >Hope that helps :-p > > > >DB > > > >--- In > ><%40>, > >"Dhirendra Pal Singh" > ><dpal.singh wrote: > >> > >> Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of > >Navratri. > >> > >> Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they > >begin from > >> Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the > >saturday, so > >> that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. > >> > >> Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. > >Which means > >> that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form > >someone who > >> has an idea of this.. > >> > >> Any comments..? > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks > >> Dp > >> [The force is feminine in nature] > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Yes, Rosh Ha-Shonah begins at sunset on September 22nd, and concludes with Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) on the eve of October 2nd (which is also Vijaya Dashami!). Perhaps by coincidence, Saturday September 23rd is also the Autumnal Equinox (in the Northern Hemisphere), so Wiccans will be celebrating the Harvest or Mabon Sabbat. And I believe the New Moon on Friday also marks the beginning of the Moslem Ramadan fast this year. If only all these different faiths who celebrate according to the changes of the Moon could all get along peaceably with each other! Om shanti, shanti, shantih! -- Len Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta > wrote: Interestingly (and I think Len could probably shed more light on this), the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah -- also calculated based on the lunar month -- corresponds exactly to Navratri ... except, since each new day is calculated from sunset the night before, its start date (like your temple's for Navratri) is calculated as Sept 22. All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 "If only all these different faiths who celebrate according to the changes of the Moon could all get along peaceably with each other! Om shanti, shanti, shantih!" Tathastu!! With Love Shankaree Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." >From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 The difference may be due to the panchangam the temple follows. There is a 90 minute difference between Drik and VAkya panchangam. Since according to Drik, the Prathama starts at 4:45 am, according to VAkya panchangam, it will start 90 minutes later, which will be after Sunrise. Hence, as DB said, the next "full day" (the interpretation will be "it should be prathama during Sunrise) is taken into consideration. , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" <dpal.singh wrote: > > Devi Bhakta ji, > Dhanyawadm. Thanks a lot for clearing the confising. > > I dont want to take any chances. As once I start my thingi, and figured out > that there was some small mistake that was made, then I will have to again > wait for a long time before navratri will come again.. > > So September 23 it is.. Har Har Mahadev.. > > Again, thanks and regard.. > Dp > > On 9/21/06, Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: > > > > Hi Dp: > > > > Navaratri takes place during the "bright" two-week period of Shukla > > Paksha in the lunar month of Ashwani (Sept/Oct), from the first to > > the ninth date of that two-week period. > > > > Technically the lunar month begins with the New Moon, which in this > > case occurs on September 22 at 11:45 a.m. GMT (London), which is > > 5:15 p.m. IST (India), and I think 3:45 a.m. there in California. > > Thus, in all three locations (albeit just barely in California), > > September 23 would be the first *full* day of the New Moon. > > > > And that is, by all accounts I've seen, when the first night of > > Navaratri will "officially" be celebrated, in India, in the UK and > > in the US. It will extend to Oct 1, the ninth night (I listed Oct 2 > > on the splash page reminder simply because the tenth day is Vijaya > > Dashami or Dusshera, which is usually kinda the "grand finale" and > > wrap-up of the Navaratri holidays. > > > > That does not mean, however that the pandits of your temple are > > wrong. I suspect that they are simply adhering to "strict > > construction" (to use the legal jargon) and starting Navratri at the > > moment of the full moon -- rather than deferring to the secular, so- > > called Gregorian calendar that we all live by on a day-to-day basis. > > > > Interestingly (and I think Len could probably shed more light on > > this), the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah -- also calculated based > > on the lunar month -- corresponds exactly to Navratri ... except, > > since each new day is calculated from sunset the night before, its > > start date (like your temple's for Navratri) is calculated as Sept > > 22. > > > > Hope that helps :-p > > > > DB > > > > > > > > , "Dhirendra Pal Singh" > > <dpal.singh@> wrote: > > > > > > Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of > > Navratri. > > > > > > Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they > > begin from > > > Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the > > saturday, so > > > that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. > > > > > > Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. > > Which means > > > that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form > > someone who > > > has an idea of this.. > > > > > > Any comments..? > > > > > > -- > > > Thanks > > > Dp > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 AM, sorry for the omission. As in DB's guesstimate, plus Daylight saving time. Max >Dear Max, >4:45 AM or PM. I will assume its AM since nothing is mentioned. > >Also I was trying to go through the link DB had sent. This is what I >understood.. > >Eclipse will start at 09:48 UT. Which means for pacific the time will be -7 >hours. That means it will be like 02.00 AM. Which means that it will not be >seen in Californai. > >DB, Did I underand it correctly ? > >Thanks >Dp >PS: Eclipse is a very good time to do praying/sadhana. > >Max >> >> >Technically the lunar month begins with the New Moon, which in this >> >case occurs on September 22 at 11:45 a.m. GMT (London), which is >> >5:15 p.m. IST (India), and I think 3:45 a.m. there in California. >> >Thus, in all three locations (albeit just barely in California), >> >September 23 would be the first *full* day of the New Moon. >> > >> >And that is, by all accounts I've seen, when the first night of >> >Navaratri will "officially" be celebrated, in India, in the UK and >> >in the US. It will extend to Oct 1, the ninth night (I listed Oct 2 >> >on the splash page reminder simply because the tenth day is Vijaya >> >Dashami or Dusshera, which is usually kinda the "grand finale" and >> >wrap-up of the Navaratri holidays. >> > >> >That does not mean, however that the pandits of your temple are >> >wrong. I suspect that they are simply adhering to "strict >> >construction" (to use the legal jargon) and starting Navratri at the >> >moment of the full moon -- rather than deferring to the secular, so- >> >called Gregorian calendar that we all live by on a day-to-day basis. >> > >> >Interestingly (and I think Len could probably shed more light on >> >this), the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah -- also calculated based >> >on the lunar month -- corresponds exactly to Navratri ... except, >> >since each new day is calculated from sunset the night before, its >> >start date (like your temple's for Navratri) is calculated as Sept >> >22. >> > >> >Hope that helps :-p >> > >> >DB >> > >> >--- In >> ><%40><%40>, >> >"Dhirendra Pal Singh" >> ><dpal.singh wrote: >> >> >> >> Folks it seems we have a situation regarding the start date of >> >Navratri. >> >> >> >> Pundits in the temple here (in San Jose, CA) has said that they >> >begin from >> >> Friday, the 22nd. But in India they are begining from 23, the >> >saturday, so >> >> that mean they should begin here too on saturday that is the 23rd. >> >> >> >> Also the even email from SS says that pitra paksh is till 22nd. >> >Which means >> >> that Navratres cant begin from 22. Just wanted to confirm form >> >someone who >> >> has an idea of this.. >> >> >> >> Any comments..? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks >> >> Dp >> >> [The force is feminine in nature] >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 DP, Many have given you links for the location specific panchangas. This situation occurs frequently. It is possible for certain festivals to be celebrated in US before it is celebrated in India. See following link for explanation on this seeming anomaly. http://www.ssvt.org/events/ThiThiNakshatra.doc Balaji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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