Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Respected elders, Very recently I read in one of our Srivaishnava magaziens (I recall it is Nrushimhapriya) that all persons belonging to three varnams shall have yagknowpaveedam (Poonool) and the brahmopadesam has to be done for a Brahmin boy before his 16th age. Brahmopadesam done beyond that age for a brahmin boy is a waste. I had mine when I was 18. I know scores of boys getting the brahmopadesam, even in the samashti upanayanams conducted by mutts, past the age of 16. If the brahmopadesam conducted to us beyond the age of 16 is a waste then every cermony/vedic rituals we perform is also a waste. Then what is the use of we,persons, who had their brahmopadesam beyond the age of 16 perfoming any rituals? Insted of doing riutals which will have no utility as we are anyway ineligible, we can as well say Om Namo Narayana and be done with everything. Making such absoulte statements that brhamodesam conducted beyond 16 years for a brahmin boy leaves a permanent doubt in our minds what use of our doing any rituals honestly when we are unfit to perform them. Is there any praychitham for those unfortunates who had the brhamopadesam beyond age 16? Dasan, Kochappaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 SRI: SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya nama: Dear Sri Kochappa, At the outset, please do not despair. No good action and anushtAnam will be waste. The meaning is to be interpreated as below: The child generally learns faster; does not argue or question- perhaps due to fear...:-) Saasthras prescribe the upanayanam to be done at the age of 7:-) garbha ashtamam.. eight years from garbha vaasam- so at the age of 7. It is preferable to get this done at the latest by 10... However, if one gets it done say at the age of 18, and is equally keen, interested to follow the anushtAnam and does actually.... it is excellent. It is only told waste... because the teen would be occupied with other thoughts and perhaps be busy with his school works.. Also the mind would ask queries as to why and how... and spend time in them rather than following the anushtAnam... we have all been there. That is the reason... Please proceed to get the upnayanam done at the earliest Please do trikala sandhyavandhanam without fail. It will take some time in the beginning to get this drilled into your habit... Then it will take maximum 8-10 minutes for performing one sandhyvanadhanam. Asmadhacharyan His Holiness PaRavakkOttai Andavan Swami used to say: out of 24 hours spend at least 24 minutes for the sandhyavandhanam Without sandhyavandhanam, a brahmin is not qualified to do anything. Asmadhacharyan is very emphatic on this on neccessity of Sandhyavandhanam All Vaishnavites are firm in their understanding of saasthrAs that they should never abstain from doing the most essential basic nithya karma i.e. sandhyAvandhanam. This MahAchAryan always advises those who come to the Ashramam not to leave this nithyakarmA. One who does not do sandhyAvandhanam and who has stopped doing the same, gets deprived of and disqualified from doing any vaidIka karma afterwards. He cannot even enter the temple. He has nithya theettu. He becomes karma chaNDALan. He becomes dirty forever. There is also a board that pierces our conscience and advises firmly, saying: �I have performed sandhyAvandhanam. Only after performing sandhyAvandhanam, I am entering into this place� This is an excellent strategy (which is currently being followed in most of first class Management Schools.. as Leadership covenants.. and Quality Policy etc.. AchAryan has done it by displaying this board what cannot be done even by saying hundred times, by letting their conscience speak to him. Kali had promised and assured to ParIkshit MaharAjan that he will never ever touch those Brahmins who follow their karmAnushtAnams. Thus, in this way too, Kali has not entered into this Ashramam.. asmadhAchAryan does not expect any wealth, or money or fruits; nor does He expect them to be from high lineage, or of high education, etc. All that He wants from those who prostrate at His Lotus Feet to get His munificent blessings is: they should be doing trikAla sandhyAvandhanam without fail. If they say,, �Yes. I am doing trikAla sandhyAvandhanam�, then He gets really happy and showers His vailakshaNya kataaksham with paripoorNa aseervAdhams (fullest Blessings). He also accepts what they offer be they fruits, money etc. Also He asks them as to what they want the money or materials to be done with. He spends for the same kaimkaryams, which they desire. He never enforces His thiruvuLLam on it. If someone does not do trikAla sandhyAvandhanam, He does not even ACCEPT their offerings. He does not even see their offerings and asks them to give to some sannidhi (He tells them without hurting them). Also He addresses them saying �If at all you are coming in future, you should do sandhyAvandhanam daily without fail. Then I can accept what is offered. �. He does not stop with that. He also gives with his Blessings, a very simple book which gives in great detail how to do sandhyAvandhanam. Achamanam and praaNAyAmams are repeated as many times as one needs to do in a sandhyAvandhanam. There is no need to refer back even. Those who have not been doing trikAlasandhyAvandhanams for years together will not even be able to pronounce those words. For these people, He has organized for teaching them from basics and with meanings Trust this helps Acharyan ThiruvaDigaLE SaraNam Regards Namo Narayana dAsan On 9/22/06, kochappaa <kochappaa (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Respected elders, > Very recently I read in one of our Srivaishnava magaziens (I recall it > is Nrushimhapriya) that all persons belonging to three varnams shall > have yagknowpaveedam (Poonool) and the brahmopadesam has to be done for > a Brahmin boy before his 16th age. Brahmopadesam done beyond that age > for a brahmin boy is a waste. I had mine when I was 18. I know scores > of boys getting the brahmopadesam, even in the samashti upanayanams > conducted by mutts, past the age of 16. If the brahmopadesam conducted > to us beyond the age of 16 is a waste then every cermony/vedic rituals > we perform is also a waste. Then what is the use of we,persons, who had > their brahmopadesam beyond the age of 16 perfoming any rituals? Insted > of doing riutals which will have no utility as we are anyway > ineligible, we can as well say Om Namo Narayana and be done with > everything. Making such absoulte statements that brhamodesam conducted > beyond 16 years for a brahmin boy leaves a permanent doubt in our minds > what use of our doing any rituals honestly when we are unfit to perform > them. Is there any praychitham for those unfortunates who had the > brhamopadesam beyond age 16? > Dasan, > Kochappaa > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Respected Shirman Madhava Kannan Swamin Adiyen's pranams. I am extremely grateful for taking so much pain to boost my morale. I was really distressed when I read that that brahmopadesam after 16 is a waste. Now I understand that the purpose of early brahmopadesam. I also thank for profusely recalling the kind dictum of aacharyan. I have not missed Gayatri even for a single day since my brahmopadesam day, as my father used to din day in and day out that failure of that makes one unfit for any karma, including the apara karma that I would have to do for him. To this day none of us, brothers, miss the daiy Gayatri and salagramam aradhanai (to our best, no doubt, however short it is) and hope with God's grace and aacharyan's blessings I would be able to fulfill at least the minimum requirements of a srivaishnava. One again I profulsely thank you, sir. Adiyen Kochappaa Madhava Kannan <srivaishnavan > wrote: SRI: SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya nama: Dear Sri Kochappa, At the outset, please do not despair. No good action and anushtAnam will be waste. The meaning is to be interpreated as below: The child generally learns faster; does not argue or question- perhaps due to fear...:-) Saasthras prescribe the upanayanam to be done at the age of 7:-) garbha ashtamam.. eight years from garbha vaasam- so at the age of 7. It is preferable to get this done at the latest by 10... However, if one gets it done say at the age of 18, and is equally keen, interested to follow the anushtAnam and does actually.... it is excellent. It is only told waste... because the teen would be occupied with other thoughts and perhaps be busy with his school works.. Also the mind would ask queries as to why and how... and spend time in them rather than following the anushtAnam... we have all been there. That is the reason... Please proceed to get the upnayanam done at the earliest Please do trikala sandhyavandhanam without fail. It will take some time in the beginning to get this drilled into your habit... Then it will take maximum 8-10 minutes for performing one sandhyvanadhanam. Asmadhacharyan His Holiness PaRavakkOttai Andavan Swami used to say: out of 24 hours spend at least 24 minutes for the sandhyavandhanam Without sandhyavandhanam, a brahmin is not qualified to do anything. Asmadhacharyan is very emphatic on this on neccessity of Sandhyavandhanam All Vaishnavites are firm in their understanding of saasthrAs that they should never abstain from doing the most essential basic nithya karma i.e. sandhyAvandhanam. This MahAchAryan always advises those who come to the Ashramam not to leave this nithyakarmA. One who does not do sandhyAvandhanam and who has stopped doing the same, gets deprived of and disqualified from doing any vaidIka karma afterwards. He cannot even enter the temple. He has nithya theettu. He becomes karma chaNDALan. He becomes dirty forever. There is also a board that pierces our conscience and advises firmly, saying: �I have performed sandhyAvandhanam. Only after performing sandhyAvandhanam, I am entering into this place� This is an excellent strategy (which is currently being followed in most of first class Management Schools.. as Leadership covenants.. and Quality Policy etc.. AchAryan has done it by displaying this board what cannot be done even by saying hundred times, by letting their conscience speak to him. Kali had promised and assured to ParIkshit MaharAjan that he will never ever touch those Brahmins who follow their karmAnushtAnams. Thus, in this way too, Kali has not entered into this Ashramam.. asmadhAchAryan does not expect any wealth, or money or fruits; nor does He expect them to be from high lineage, or of high education, etc. All that He wants from those who prostrate at His Lotus Feet to get His munificent blessings is: they should be doing trikAla sandhyAvandhanam without fail. If they say,, �Yes. I am doing trikAla sandhyAvandhanam�, then He gets really happy and showers His vailakshaNya kataaksham with paripoorNa aseervAdhams (fullest Blessings). He also accepts what they offer be they fruits, money etc. Also He asks them as to what they want the money or materials to be done with. He spends for the same kaimkaryams, which they desire. He never enforces His thiruvuLLam on it. If someone does not do trikAla sandhyAvandhanam, He does not even ACCEPT their offerings. He does not even see their offerings and asks them to give to some sannidhi (He tells them without hurting them). Also He addresses them saying �If at all you are coming in future, you should do sandhyAvandhanam daily without fail. Then I can accept what is offered. �. He does not stop with that. He also gives with his Blessings, a very simple book which gives in great detail how to do sandhyAvandhanam. Achamanam and praaNAyAmams are repeated as many times as one needs to do in a sandhyAvandhanam. There is no need to refer back even. Those who have not been doing trikAlasandhyAvandhanams for years together will not even be able to pronounce those words. For these people, He has organized for teaching them from basics and with meanings Trust this helps Acharyan ThiruvaDigaLE SaraNam Regards Namo Narayana dAsan On 9/22/06, kochappaa <kochappaa (AT) (DOT) co.in > wrote: Respected elders, Very recently I read in one of our Srivaishnava magaziens (I recall it is Nrushimhapriya) that all persons belonging to three varnams shall have yagknowpaveedam (Poonool) and the brahmopadesam has to be done for a Brahmin boy before his 16th age. Brahmopadesam done beyond that age for a brahmin boy is a waste. I had mine when I was 18. I know scores of boys getting the brahmopadesam, even in the samashti upanayanams conducted by mutts, past the age of 16. If the brahmopadesam conducted to us beyond the age of 16 is a waste then every cermony/vedic rituals we perform is also a waste. Then what is the use of we,persons, who had their brahmopadesam beyond the age of 16 perfoming any rituals? Insted of doing riutals which will have no utility as we are anyway ineligible, we can as well say Om Namo Narayana and be done with everything. Making such absoulte statements that brhamodesam conducted beyond 16 years for a brahmin boy leaves a permanent doubt in our minds what use of our doing any rituals honestly when we are unfit to perform them. Is there any praychitham for those unfortunates who had the brhamopadesam beyond age 16? Dasan, Kochappaa Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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