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Few basic questions:

We always hear God is all pervading and powerful. Everything is God. He is formless.

1) Does he have a personality ? Or is he like petrol or electricity which power all machines. Does he have feelings and emotions like we do ?

2) Why does God need to be worshipped ? Why does an all powerful being require any sort of praise/devotion to be pleased by mortals like us? Why all this pooja etc to invoke the holy one.

3) I have seen animals being sacrificed in holiest of Indian temples, in name of God. Where is God at that time to protect the innocent, mute beasts ? Or for that matter during the sacrifices of animals in other religions as well.

Is it not God's duty to protect the weak and innocent ?

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Sundeep

 

 

 

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Shree Sandeep - PraNAms.

Here is my understanding.

 

The definition of God can be provided at three levels depending on the maturity of the individual

asking the question.

 

1. God is the creator - jagat kartaa Iswara.

Since the universe is a well ordered and well behaved system, work has to be done to create that

order. In addition, it requires intelligence to create an order. A scientist sitting in a remoter

corner in the universe can discover the laws that are applicable galaxies and galaxies away shows

that these are universal laws. From the nature of the product we can estimate the creative

intelligence that produced it. Hence all religions say that God is the creator. He has to be a

conscious entity since unconscious entity cannot create. If so where is He/she? - All religions

put him in Heaven - vaikunTa or kailasa etc -That is the first definition. Hence scriptures say he

is sarvajnaH and sarvashaktimaan.

 

2. If one asks further the questions you have raised then the scriptures takes you to next level -

He is 'jagat kaaraNam Iswara '- He is not only the intelligent cause but material cause as well.

Just as the spider puts forth material for its net. Hence the material from which the universe is

made is also God. That is what implies also as sarvavyaapi or omnipresent. So he is everywhere

including in you and in every being including the animal that is being scarified and the one who

is sacrificing.

 

3. If you further ask how can that be? How can that cruel act of sacrifice is being performed by

God then scripture takes you to further level.

He is - jagat adhyShTaanam Iswara - He is the substantive of the world - just as the gold

appearing as the ring, necklace, and bangle and so on. Gold has not become ring, bangle or

bracelet but gold is not different from ring bangle or necklace. The properties of the names and

forms do not belong to gold. Gold is not affected by the sufferings of the ring and bangle and

necklace etc. Krishna gives example as in my presence everything is being done but I am not

involved in the action. Actions do not affect me. mayaa adhyaxena suuyate sa caraa caram' -

under my presidentship the world is getting produced - the world of names and forms. They rise in

me, sustained by me and go back in me but I am not affected by their changing states.

 

4. If you keep asking further Vedas go into four fundamental definitions called Mahaavaakyaas.

1. prajnaanam brahman - consciousness is Brahman

2. tat tvam asi - you are that

3. ayam aatma brahman - this soul in you is aatma

4. aham brahmaasmi - I am that Brahman.

 

They provide the consciousness that you are is nothing but Brahman.

 

If you are a conscious entity then you are that Brahman. Now try to answer that question you

posed since that Iswara is nothing but you.

 

People act because of not realizing the truth because they get carried away with names and forms

and that identification crystallizes the 'egos' and separateness from one another. If my finger

goes into my eye I don’t punish the finger. The same finger will go and sooth the eye. That is

because the notion of I pervades both the finger and the eye. If one realizes that the self that

one is nothing but the self that pervades every movables and immovable then ones true compassion

for all beings will be spontaneously expressed. Until then we just blame God without

understanding who we are really blaming.

 

I suggest that you read some introductory book on Advaita Vedanta that clarifies and many of these

questions and force you to think deeply.

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

--- SUNDEEP GUPTA <sundeep_gupta1 > wrote:

 

> Few basic questions:

>

> We always hear God is all pervading and powerful. Everything is God. He is formless.

>

> 1) Does he have a personality ? Or is he like petrol or electricity which power all machines.

> Does he have feelings and emotions like we do ?

>

> 2) Why does God need to be worshipped ? Why does an all powerful being require any sort of

> praise/devotion to be pleased by mortals like us? Why all this pooja etc to invoke the holy one.

>

> 3) I have seen animals being sacrificed in holiest of Indian temples, in name of God. Where is

> God at that time to protect the innocent, mute beasts ? Or for that matter during the sacrifices

> of animals in other religions as well.

> Is it not God's duty to protect the weak and innocent ?

>

> regards

> Sundeep

>

>

>

>

> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail.

>

>

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Nmaste, Sandeep Gupta-ji

 

Supplem enting Sada-ji's lucid answers here are my answers to your

basic questions.

 

1) "We always hear God is all pervading and powerful. Everything is

God. He is

formless. Does he have a personality ? Or is he like petrol or

electricity which

power all machines. Does he have feelings and emotions like we do ?"

 

The thing about God is He is everything. So He has a personality.

He is also a power like electricity. Now what is true? That is where

the matter gets into its first complication. Nothing that we can say

about God is absolutely true. They are all relative statements, from

one level, from one point of view. That is all. Then what is

absolutely true? That is where advaita comes. There is no God

separate from us. When we discard from ourselves everything that we

call ours – starting from our extrnal possessions, then discard the

concept of our own body, mind and intellect, and any ego that

remains, then what remains is a Consciousness within and that is

God, the God supreme – which is what is called Existence, Knowledge,

Bliss.

 

You may say that I have suddenly complicated the explanation. Well,

that is why, Sada-ji asks you to start from a first book of advaita

and read through all of it, slowly but steadily.

 

Let me now go to your next question. You will find that to every

question of yours, the first answers will be simple, but may not be

acceptable at a higher level. So you will come again to the same

requirement that one has to start from the beginning and keep

reading.

 

2) "Why does God need to be worshipped ? Why does an all powerful

being require any sort of praise/devotion to be pleased by mortals

like us? Why all this pooja etc to invoke the holy one."

 

God does not have to be worshipped for His sake. He has to be

worshipped for our sake. Earlier I said that our own Self, when we

have thrown off all that we call ours, is God. This is difficult to

understand. In order to convin ce ourselves that this is so, the

first step is to seek His help and worship God as if He is external

to us. All religions therefore recommend this. But it is only Hindu

religion that says, that that God whom you worship will be

discovered by you in yourself. So when we worship Him externally,

it is not to please Him or to get some petty things from Him, but to

purify our mind from its dirty content.

 

3) "I have seen animals being sacrificed in holiest of Indian

temples, in name

of God. Where is God at that time to protect the innocent, mute

beasts ? Or for

that matter during the sacrifices of animals in other religions as

well.

Is it not God's duty to protect the weak and innocent ?"

 

Good. Your question is legitimate. But the answer will take you

through the whole labyrinth of religious philosophy. Having created

the world God does not interfere in the workings of nature. Whatever

man does is his own working.

 

It is true in Vedic times there were animal sacrifices and these

were part of certain rituals which contributed to the well-being of

the totality of the universe. But in course of time these tended to

be misused. And a Buddha had to appear on the scene and wean people

away from their other-worldly ambitions and make them concentrate on

compassion, sympathy and non-violence as one's basic Dharma. This

is how the Almighty takes steps to protect the mute and the

innocent.

 

It was because of the misdirected emphasis on the ritualistic

sacrifices still persisting after the Buddha's time tht a Shankara

had to appear and emphasize the transience of every benefit whether

of this world or the other world and led everybody on to think in

terms of their upward path of evolution rather than keep circling in

the quagmire of births and deaths.

 

The multifaceted religion that Hinduism is, it has a wide spectrum

of norms and practices and a lot of flexibility in terms of rules

and regulations. This has been very often overplayed to such an

extent that an intelligent observer from the inside or outside finds

it difficult to clearly lay down what is right or what is wrong in

any given set of circumstances. The most important thing is to have

the right attitudes. If we are going to do animal sacrifice for the

Lord, in the hope of getting something from the Lord to gratify our

senses, or a benefit material or otherwise, this attitude of

selfishness will certainly be recognised by the Lord, who is in our

heart of hearts. And He is not going to accept it as a token of

bhakti. In all cases of a dilemma of Dharma, the stand of Hinduism

is clear, whatever may be said by the secondary scriptures. Any time

when there is even an iota of selfishness or self-aggrandisement in

whatever we do, it is against dharma.

 

The philosophy of advaita from the beginning teaches you to have the

right attitude and the right emphasis of reactions to events and

happenings in life. The explanation and the logic for these right

attitudes takes you into the whole of advaita!

 

PraNAms to all advaitins.

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advaitin, SUNDEEP GUPTA <sundeep_gupta1

> 2) Why does God need to be worshipped ? Why does an all powerful

being require any sort of praise/devotion to be pleased by mortals

like us? Why all this pooja etc to invoke the holy one.

>

 

Gupta-ji,

There is no need of all this pooja if your mind is pure. However,

mind by its very nature, is perpetually agitated and goes in

thousand different directions. We can intellectually argue about his

infinity and question why there is suffering, sorrow etc but

intellectual arguments don't help. Ask your mind, heart and

conscience if you are speaking from conviction about his infinitude

or simply for the sake of argument. All questions will rest after

that.

This much you have to accept with shraddha that the very name of the

Lord is holy and works wonders. You can experiment by chanting one

holy name audibly for sometime. Check the state of your mind after

that. Dennis Waite (one of the moderators of this list) gives a good

analogy in his book. It is as follows. If you ask your friend

directions to say Connaught place in New Delhi, you are not going to

start arguing about directions. You are going to have faith in his

words and follow his directions. So you need to accept the words of

the great ancient Rishis and experiment for yourself - discover

Atman.

 

regards,

Om Namah Sivaya

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Namaste Sundeep-ji,

 

advaitin, SUNDEEP GUPTA <sundeep_gupta1

wrote:

>

> Few basic questions:

>

> We always hear God is all pervading and powerful. Everything is

God. He is formless.

>

> 1) Does he have a personality ? Or is he like petrol or

electricity which power all machines. Does he have feelings and

emotions like we do ?

>

> 2) Why does God need to be worshipped ? Why does an all powerful

being require any sort of praise/devotion to be pleased by mortals

like us? Why all this pooja etc to invoke the holy one.

>

You may find some answers to 'what' God we are worshipping etc in

this intruiging dialogue between the then Sringeri Acharyal HH Sri

Chandashekara Bharati and a visiting educational officer. This was

posted in this message

advaitin/message/31784

 

The question starts with "What is the deity that is being worshipped

in the daily sandhya Worship?" and leads on to some very important

insights on what is being worshipped and why.

 

regards

Sundar Rajan

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