Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Sat Nam yogis, a group of shakitmen in Vancouver BC and here in Kansas City Mo are going to gather in our seperate venues to meditate tonight on the evening of the New Moon, tonight, Friday, 9/22. We invite anyone who would like to to join us in raising their (our) vibration individually, as a group and as a gender. We'll be doing the Meditation to Conquer Self Animosity (page 397 KRI International Teacher Training manual Level I) for 11 minutes, and the Pran Bandha Mantra Meditation (page 447 KRI International Teacher Training manual Level I) for 22 minutes. We're not excluding the ladies. They can participate by serving Yogi Tea and cookies (eyes need not be averted)<>! Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa Sat Tirath Ashram Kansas City MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Just out of curiousity- why are no women invited to participate in the meditation? Why are they serving only? I have only been doing KY for 3 years- but this is the first I've heard of women being present only to serve and not to participate The eyes averted is said jokingly, but I find the whole post disturbing and realize I probably need an explanation of the meditation and the tradition behind it? Kundaliniyoga, "Karta Purkh S Khalsa" <kpsk_teacher wrote: > > Sat Nam yogis, a group of shakitmen in Vancouver BC and here in Kansas > City Mo are going to gather in our seperate venues to meditate tonight > on the evening of the New Moon, tonight, Friday, 9/22. We invite > anyone who would like to to join us in raising their (our) vibration > individually, as a group and as a gender. > > We'll be doing the Meditation to Conquer Self Animosity (page 397 KRI > International Teacher Training manual Level I) for 11 minutes, and the > Pran Bandha Mantra Meditation (page 447 KRI International Teacher > Training manual Level I) for 22 minutes. > > We're not excluding the ladies. They can participate by serving Yogi > Tea and cookies (eyes need not be averted)<>! > > Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa > Sat Tirath Ashram > Kansas City MO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 oh please tell me - moderators especially - this is a joke. yes, i am entirely serious. > > We're not excluding the ladies. They can participate by serving Yogi > Tea and cookies (eyes need not be averted)<>! > > Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa > Sat Tirath Ashram > Kansas City MO > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Sat Nam all This new Moon thing bothers me. Since when are women relegated to servitude. What a condescending and backward move that it. I do not think it belongs in KY but I want to hear from Dharam and Awtar and what there views are on this. Teresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Kundaliniyoga, "primalconnection" <cfpp wrote: > I am truly sorry if I offended you ji, I had no intent to do so. As for the Men Only thing, well, the SSSji often advised couples to spend some time apart as a way of sharpening appreciation of each other. Also, he did teach us seperately as well, Ladies Camp being one example and the Men's Courses being another. This was not meant to be a "special" New Moon meditation but just a date for "us guys" to get together and meditate in the company of their peers. Sat Nam > Just out of curiousity- why are no women invited to participate in > the meditation? > > Why are they serving only? > > I have only been doing KY for 3 years- but this is the first I've > heard of women being present only to serve and not to participate > > The eyes averted is said jokingly, but I find the whole post > disturbing and realize I probably need an explanation of the > meditation and the tradition behind it? > > > > Kundaliniyoga, "Karta Purkh S Khalsa" > <kpsk_teacher@> wrote: > > > > Sat Nam yogis, a group of shakitmen in Vancouver BC and here in > Kansas > > City Mo are going to gather in our seperate venues to meditate > tonight > > on the evening of the New Moon, tonight, Friday, 9/22. We invite > > anyone who would like to to join us in raising their (our) vibration > > individually, as a group and as a gender. > > > > We'll be doing the Meditation to Conquer Self Animosity (page 397 > KRI > > International Teacher Training manual Level I) for 11 minutes, and > the > > Pran Bandha Mantra Meditation (page 447 KRI International Teacher > > Training manual Level I) for 22 minutes. > > > > We're not excluding the ladies. They can participate by serving Yogi > > Tea and cookies (eyes need not be averted)<>! > > > > Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa > > Sat Tirath Ashram > > Kansas City MO > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Dear ladies: Karta Purkh explained himself. I think one piece that was not explained is this : OK so men and women are invited sometimes to practice separately, that's a practice in and of itself, but why should women serve men. Am I understanding your concern correctly Teresa? I think that the intent is not for women to serve men. The intent is to create a space for women who choose to be supportive to these men. One such thing is to take care of cookies and yogi tea and whatever else that can be created for once the yoga and meditations are completed. The reverse can easily happen for when women choose to practice by themselves but would invite men who want to be supportive to bring them cookies and yogi tea. It is an opportunity to be a part of something bigger than oneself in service, not in servitude. Blessings, Awtar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Sat Nam Teresa and all others, It's a pretty tough world out politically and socially. Misunderstandings abound. And the truth is there are many levels of abuse of women and nature by men and of young boys by their mothers, just as well. This is just ONE reality, but not the only reality. Within the Sikh Dharma community it is a well known dynamic (and a comic one) that the day Khalsa Women's Training Camp (KWTC) officially begins, and you're a guy, you had better become invisible real quick, or if you are needed for carpentry, plumbing or audio visual you need some pretty special license to be around. As a matter of fact if you around a day before!, you can count on getting the mean eye. I think Karta Purkh's humor was "inside humor", pure and simple. Guys and ladies around the Dharma get it an with a good heart, but as with any humor timing is everything and he maybe could have picked a different time and venue [insert crickets]. Im confident all the good he does will outweigh this *perception* of gender insensitivity. Anytime men can get together, in peace, and address their needs as human beings, and not machines, it's a good thing. Heck, I remember the way Rolling Thunder (my first teacher) and Elizabeth Kubler Ross used to talk to each other. They were great friends and within that relationship there was enough depth and a bond that they could just let their real sides just hang out. You wouldn't believe how they talked to each other, it was like sailers in a bar. It was not at all spiritually correct.....let me put it that way. We are way too PC for our own good and take ourselves waaay too seriously. Lets strive for that same depth and honesty in our interactions and relationships despite all the chaos and fear. Making less strangers, Dharam (born on a New Moon) Millis, MA "Humility, truth and humor are the real power" Gary Snyder Sendag (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: >Sat Nam all >This new Moon thing bothers me. Since when are women relegated to >servitude. What a condescending and backward move that it. I do not think it >belongs in KY but I want to hear from Dharam and Awtar and what there views are on >this. >Teresa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Sat Nam Dharam I knew you would come in as the voice of reason. I guess I have a personal issue with servitude and yes, we are often too PC directed. I just could not imagine anyone being truly insensitive in this KY program so your answer enlightened and cautioned re too much PC sensitivity. Thanks so much......Dry humor is often misunderstood. Teresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Sat Nam! Yes, New Moon tonight! New Moon; New Beginnings. I will be doing meditation of my own with intention that we all raise our conciousness and bring balance to the masculine and feminine energy within each of us. kind regards, Diana Bellucci, San Diego "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Theodore Seuss Geisel (aka. Dr. Seuss) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Sat Nam Awtar I won't be getting my dander up after these explanations. It made me find out that "servitude" is a sore point for me and it is very personal. Thanks to you and Dharam for straightening me out. And I do sign out Lovingly Teresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Sat Nam Friends, This has been an interesting topic. In respect to women serving men, there isn't anything wrong with this just as it doesn't besmirch a man to serve a woman. For me, it is subservience that is the issue especially when it is based on gender. I smiled at Karta Purkh S Khalsa's post and felt no disrespect. If I was ever asked to "serve" as in be subservient, I'd leave those gentlemen wondering if it was safe to eat the cookies and drink the tea. Nothing like planting the seed....:>) Sat Nam and SMILE!!! In light and laughter, Sat Sangat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 It was not so innocent, the averted eye tea and cookie serving was a give away! But we are in high spirits and can love- Your wife must keep you in tow for such a thought to have taken shape hahahahahah Sat Nam Loved Being> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Sat Nam Ranjit Very well spoken about the New Moon Tonight. I know we suffer from too much political correctness but why add an insult without the nay saying of harm. Whether it was dry humor or subclinical negativity toward women does not matter; it does not belong on this site. Lovingly Teresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 I do not understand why a woman serving cookies and tea to a man is consider servitude. To serve freely those you admire, respect or love is not servitude. Grant us an understanding heart, Equal vision, balanced mind, Faith, devotion and wisdom. Grant us inner spiritual strength To resist temptation and to control the mind. Free us from egoism, lust, greed, hatred, anger and jealousy. Fill our hearts with divine virtues. Universal Prayer by Sri Swami Sivananda Respectfully, Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 In some of the 3HO ashrams in the early 1970's, unmarried men and women were paired up on a rotating monthly basis to serve each other. Is it an insult to ask the women to serve the men in order to facilitate the men's special meditation event if the men are willing to do the same for the women when they have theirs. When men and women serve each other, is it demeaning to one or the other? Wouldn't the practice of such humility and selfless service be beneficial to all concerned. Steve Porter -- A. Steven Porter Attorney at Law 6417 Normandy Lane, Suite 200 Madison, Wisconsin 53719 (608) 298-2285 ********************************************************************* NOTICE: This is a confidential and legally privileged communication. If you have received this transmission in error, please destroy it without reading it or forwarding it, and notify the sender. Thank you. ********************************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Sat Nam, This is a powerful weekend, with a New Moon, solar eclipse and Jupiter squaring Neptune tomorrow. I have just sent out a New Millennium Being explaining the nature of the transformation that we are experiencing. It will put into perspective some of these discussions -- anger, releasing old belief systems, etc. The new edition of my book THE DESTINY OF WOMEN IS THE DESTINY OF THE WORLD is going to press early next week and will be available in November. This book will certainly bring clarity to some of the issues we have been discussing. Many blessings, Gururattana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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