Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Namaskar All, What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block bhagya.Does it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it something else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these ill- effects? Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn for libra lagna)then how will things get modified? Thanks Suchitra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear Suchitra, According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka Tatva says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa statement should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in third it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so there is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth bhava must also be seen. Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with physical labour. Regards Rafal Gendarz , "suchitra_kamath" <suchitra_kamath wrote: > > Namaskar All, > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block bhagya.Does > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it something > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these ill- > effects? > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn for > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > Thanks > Suchitra > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Suchitra Ji, I happened to attend the SJC Attri class when Sanjay Ji taught this. Mars as the 9th Lord can bring hostility. Therefore, merely having a malefic 9th Lord can give 'struggle' in some sense. This will apply to Yogakaraka Grahas as well. I was particularly curious as I have Simha Lagna and Mars is the Yogakaraka and the 9th Lord. Sanjay Ji clarified that in some professions, such malefic influences can help. For example, Mars is needed in the chart of lawyers for logic, vigour, aggression in Court, argumentation. I am a lawyer and this is quite true. Even so, it might be a good idea to appease the Bhagya aspect while such malefic may be positive for the profession. Likewise, benefics in the 9th, lording the 9th and aspecting the 9th form Bhagya Yoga. The dictum that benefics in the 3rd from Lagna are not well-placed is to be understood in the light of the fact that you don't need aggression if life does not call upon you to fight. Benefics give an easy and natural life path. Of course, in a specific chart, all this must be seen together with the other Yogas. Best Wishes, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , "suchitra_kamath" <suchitra_kamath wrote: > > Namaskar All, > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block bhagya.Does > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it something > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these ill- > effects? > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn for > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > Thanks > Suchitra > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Dear GuruJi, Sadar Pranaam, Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block bagya. I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? along with mars. Best Wishes, JL , "Rafal" <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear Suchitra, > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka Tatva > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa statement > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in third > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so there > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > bhava must also be seen. > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with physical > labour. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > bhagya.Does > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > something > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these ill- > > effects? > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn > for > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > Thanks > > Suchitra > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Dear JL, Namaskar Every malefic (Saravali excepts from that list lord of ninth bhava) in bhagyasthana will afflict bhagya as there is no bhagya with evil thoughts / motivation seen in that life or previous life. That is some sort of punishment. Now the area's of that will be seen by lordships. If thats Lagnesh then birthplace / name / health. The same will be afflicted by some crazy situation coming from Ma+Sa combo (unmada yoga). Vakra means thats Your determination is strong. Guruji in one mail listed all upayas for malefics in ninth. Try to get that mail and act accordingly. Best wishes, Rafal Gendarz , "vedicastro_mind" <vedicastro_mind wrote: > > Dear GuruJi, > Sadar Pranaam, > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > bagya. > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > along with mars. > > Best Wishes, > JL > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka Tatva > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa statement > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > third > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so there > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with physical > > labour. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > bhagya.Does > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > something > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > ill- > > > effects? > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn > > for > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Suchitra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Dear Rafal ji, Namaskar Suppose in someone's chart - exalted moon is with ketu in 9th; but guru from lagna is aspecting it. Will it manage the curse? regards / Prafulla Gang "Honesty is the key to a relationship. If you can fake that, you're in." ************************************************ > > starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl > Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:37:14 -0000 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya > > Dear JL, Namaskar > > Every malefic (Saravali excepts from that list lord of ninth bhava) > in bhagyasthana will afflict bhagya as there is no bhagya with evil > thoughts / motivation seen in that life or previous life. That is > some sort of punishment. Now the area's of that will be seen by > lordships. If thats Lagnesh then birthplace / name / health. The > same will be afflicted by some crazy situation coming from Ma+Sa > combo (unmada yoga). Vakra means thats Your determination is strong. > Guruji in one mail listed all upayas for malefics in ninth. Try to > get that mail and act accordingly. > > Best wishes, > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > , "vedicastro_mind" > <vedicastro_mind wrote: >> >> Dear GuruJi, >> Sadar Pranaam, >> >> Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block >> bagya. >> >> I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? >> along with mars. >> >> Best Wishes, >> JL >> >> >> , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Suchitra, >>> According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka > Tatva >>> says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa > statement >>> should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in >> third >>> it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so > there >>> is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth >>> bhava must also be seen. >>> >>> Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one >>> sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with > physical >>> labour. >>> >>> Regards >>> Rafal Gendarz >>> >>> >>> , "suchitra_kamath" >>> <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Namaskar All, >>>> >>>> What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block >>> bhagya.Does >>>> it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it >>> something >>>> else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? >>>> >>>> Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) > of >>>> malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these >> ill- >>>> effects? >>>> >>>> Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > Saturn >>> for >>>> libra lagna)then how will things get modified? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Suchitra >>>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Dear Prafulla, Exalted grahas in ninth gives wealth but ketu being third lord means that our invention which supposed to be good give only problem and mistakes which finally afflict the bhagya / finances and worldview. As Grahana Yoga's and Ninth bhava deal with freedom it can be also problematic but strength of the Moon with Jupiter aspects (desire of rahmana for help) means that that can be overcome. Anyway one deals / try to improve too much own system of value (upachaya's lords). It also gives gains through travel/abroad. Choose inteligently indication harmonizing with other points in Rasi and Vargas. Regards Rafal Gendarz , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Rafal ji, > > Namaskar > > Suppose in someone's chart - exalted moon is with ketu in 9th; but guru from lagna is aspecting it. Will it manage the curse? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Honesty is the key to a relationship. If you can fake that, you're in." > > ************************************************ > > > > > > starsuponme > > Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:37:14 -0000 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya > > > > Dear JL, Namaskar > > > > Every malefic (Saravali excepts from that list lord of ninth bhava) > > in bhagyasthana will afflict bhagya as there is no bhagya with evil > > thoughts / motivation seen in that life or previous life. That is > > some sort of punishment. Now the area's of that will be seen by > > lordships. If thats Lagnesh then birthplace / name / health. The > > same will be afflicted by some crazy situation coming from Ma+Sa > > combo (unmada yoga). Vakra means thats Your determination is strong. > > Guruji in one mail listed all upayas for malefics in ninth. Try to > > get that mail and act accordingly. > > > > Best wishes, > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > , "vedicastro_mind" > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear GuruJi, > >> Sadar Pranaam, > >> > >> Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > >> bagya. > >> > >> I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > >> along with mars. > >> > >> Best Wishes, > >> JL > >> > >> > >> , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Suchitra, > >>> According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka > > Tatva > >>> says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa > > statement > >>> should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > >> third > >>> it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so > > there > >>> is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > >>> bhava must also be seen. > >>> > >>> Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > >>> sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with > > physical > >>> labour. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Rafal Gendarz > >>> > >>> > >>> , "suchitra_kamath" > >>> <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Namaskar All, > >>>> > >>>> What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > >>> bhagya.Does > >>>> it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > >>> something > >>>> else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > >>>> > >>>> Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) > > of > >>>> malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > >> ill- > >>>> effects? > >>>> > >>>> Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > > Saturn > >>> for > >>>> libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Suchitra > >>>> > >>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Anurag and others , I agree, but you need to look at who and what else is there in the chart.When a person is spiritual the malefic qualities have been tranformed, like when the malefics are the AK it can show person who is more spiritually progressed.Malefics in 9th can also be seen in advanced spiritualists. However if we are talking about Bhagya,as it is connected to dharma we should really focus on navamsa for real understanding. Also, check shastiamsa of 9th lord before passing judegement. Best wishes LAkshmi , "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > Suchitra Ji, > > I happened to attend the SJC Attri class when Sanjay Ji taught this. > Mars as the 9th Lord can bring hostility. Therefore, merely having a > malefic 9th Lord can give 'struggle' in some sense. This will apply > to Yogakaraka Grahas as well. I was particularly curious as I have > Simha Lagna and Mars is the Yogakaraka and the 9th Lord. > > Sanjay Ji clarified that in some professions, such malefic > influences can help. For example, Mars is needed in the chart of > lawyers for logic, vigour, aggression in Court, argumentation. I am > a lawyer and this is quite true. Even so, it might be a good idea to > appease the Bhagya aspect while such malefic may be positive for the > profession. > > Likewise, benefics in the 9th, lording the 9th and aspecting the 9th > form Bhagya Yoga. The dictum that benefics in the 3rd from Lagna are > not well-placed is to be understood in the light of the fact that > you don't need aggression if life does not call upon you to fight. > Benefics give an easy and natural life path. Of course, in a > specific chart, all this must be seen together with the other Yogas. > > Best Wishes, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > bhagya.Does > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > something > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these ill- > > effects? > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn > for > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > Thanks > > Suchitra > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 !Om Gurveh Namah! Dear friends, Namaskar! In one of the classes Guruji mentioned that any planet (malefic or benefic) except Jupiter in 9th will have give some negativities. Even malefics will give some positive effects for example - Saturn in 9th can make native a great conqueror.( It is in the horoscopes of great generals.) However, the native has to fight and kill throughout his life. So, it totally depends on what the native/astrologer is seeking to achive. Warm regards, Pranav lakshmikary <lakshmikary > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Anurag and others , I agree, but you need to look at who and what else is there in the chart.When a person is spiritual the malefic qualities have been tranformed, like when the malefics are the AK it can show person who is more spiritually progressed.Malefics in 9th can also be seen in advanced spiritualists. However if we are talking about Bhagya,as it is connected to dharma we should really focus on navamsa for real understanding. Also, check shastiamsa of 9th lord before passing judegement. Best wishes LAkshmi , "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > Suchitra Ji, > > I happened to attend the SJC Attri class when Sanjay Ji taught this. > Mars as the 9th Lord can bring hostility. Therefore, merely having a > malefic 9th Lord can give 'struggle' in some sense. This will apply > to Yogakaraka Grahas as well. I was particularly curious as I have > Simha Lagna and Mars is the Yogakaraka and the 9th Lord. > > Sanjay Ji clarified that in some professions, such malefic > influences can help. For example, Mars is needed in the chart of > lawyers for logic, vigour, aggression in Court, argumentation. I am > a lawyer and this is quite true. Even so, it might be a good idea to > appease the Bhagya aspect while such malefic may be positive for the > profession. > > Likewise, benefics in the 9th, lording the 9th and aspecting the 9th > form Bhagya Yoga. The dictum that benefics in the 3rd from Lagna are > not well-placed is to be understood in the light of the fact that > you don't need aggression if life does not call upon you to fight. > Benefics give an easy and natural life path. Of course, in a > specific chart, all this must be seen together with the other Yogas. > > Best Wishes, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > bhagya.Does > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > something > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these ill- > > effects? > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn > for > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > Thanks > > Suchitra > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 || Hare Raama Krsna || Dear JL and Others, namaskar. I notice that everyone is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is for a physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for Dharma, for guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna (dreams) etc. Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a bhagya associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for each graha. The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully in details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage' of bhagya from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading. Best wishes, Sourav ========================================================================\ =============================== , "vedicastro_mind" <vedicastro_mind wrote: > > Dear GuruJi, > Sadar Pranaam, > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > bagya. > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > along with mars. > > Best Wishes, > JL > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka Tatva > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa statement > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > third > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so there > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with physical > > labour. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > bhagya.Does > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > something > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > ill- > > > effects? > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn > > for > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Suchitra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 || Hare Raama Krsna || Dear Lakshmi--ji, Namaskar. I do not agree with the statement that malefic AK's show higher spiritual strength. AK is the attitude of the soul and its strength (spirituality perspective) should be seen from Navamsa and Vimsamsa. For example, in Guru Sanjay Rath's chart, there is a CK-Transformation of AK Sani replaced by Guru (AmK). It shows a change in attitude of the person from a highly conservative person who was intently learning on jyotish himself (retrograde Sani in the 11th) to a more open person intent of teaching and sharing knowledge (Guru in lagna in Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga). There are plenty of people with high degree of spirituality with Chandra as AK and people with low degree of spirituality with Rahu or Sani as AK. So I think it is not a good idea to use the malefic and benefic nature to distinguish between spirituality. It is often misleading. Best wishes, Sourav ========================================================================\ ===================================== , "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Anurag and others , > I agree, but you need to look at who and what else is there in the > chart.When a person is spiritual the malefic qualities have been > tranformed, like when the malefics are the AK it can show person who > is more spiritually progressed.Malefics in 9th can also be seen in > advanced spiritualists. > However if we are talking about Bhagya,as it is connected to dharma > we should really focus on navamsa for real understanding. > Also, check shastiamsa of 9th lord before passing judegement. > Best wishes > LAkshmi > > > > , "Anurag Sharma" > anuraagsharma27@ wrote: > > > > Suchitra Ji, > > > > I happened to attend the SJC Attri class when Sanjay Ji taught > this. > > Mars as the 9th Lord can bring hostility. Therefore, merely having > a > > malefic 9th Lord can give 'struggle' in some sense. This will > apply > > to Yogakaraka Grahas as well. I was particularly curious as I have > > Simha Lagna and Mars is the Yogakaraka and the 9th Lord. > > > > Sanjay Ji clarified that in some professions, such malefic > > influences can help. For example, Mars is needed in the chart of > > lawyers for logic, vigour, aggression in Court, argumentation. I > am > > a lawyer and this is quite true. Even so, it might be a good idea > to > > appease the Bhagya aspect while such malefic may be positive for > the > > profession. > > > > Likewise, benefics in the 9th, lording the 9th and aspecting the > 9th > > form Bhagya Yoga. The dictum that benefics in the 3rd from Lagna > are > > not well-placed is to be understood in the light of the fact that > > you don't need aggression if life does not call upon you to fight. > > Benefics give an easy and natural life path. Of course, in a > > specific chart, all this must be seen together with the other > Yogas. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > bhagya.Does > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > something > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > ill- > > > effects? > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > Saturn > > for > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Suchitra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sourav, I dont think you read my post carefully. There are 2 sides to malefics and benefics. Malefics play a very VITAL part of being able to follow dharma. A good Saturn produces a conscienscious person. Where is the tapasvi yogi without SATURN.? What is sadhu yoga without Saturn? A good Mars shows celebacy and proper use/control of energy. A good Sun is giving of life. A dog isnt expected to do much more than act like a dog, but a human is supposed to exhibit qualities of a civilized human being, and follow some kind of laws of religiousity or dharma. We all have some "tests" and have to overcome our flaws and weaknesses.Think of the Mahabharata. All the pandavas were tested to the utmost. Our shad-ripus are there and an spiritually elevated person often has the greatest tests. Maya can hit the spirtually advanced person the hardest in the form of trials and tribulations. Isnt that what makes a person a great yogi, saint or whatever?Isnt it Someone whose faith and sadhana can pass all tests put before him? If students read Sanjays AK paper they can understand the type of trials a person might have to undergo on their path of self realization, purification ,depending on their AK.etc. When a person has such a state of mind where they are truelly equiposed in happiness and distress then they are a real yogi. Think of the shakti/rudra yogas what makes them powerful?JUST benefics? What planets form them? benefics, malefics???? Think of a person who uses black magic verses a person using his shakti to heal or do good(give blessings) in the world? What is the difference? So when the malefic planets are surrendered or when the native has control over the malefics- or when the manifestion of the malefic comes out in a pure form, the malefics have great power to do GOOD. Think about a curse, isnt it the BENEFIC that makes the curse that much worse when it is involved? A well placed and helpful malefic is a very good thing. Hope you understand my point. Best wishes Lakshmi , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > Dear Lakshmi--ji, > > Namaskar. I do not agree with the > statement that malefic AK's show higher spiritual strength. AK is the > attitude of the soul and its strength (spirituality perspective) should > be seen from Navamsa and Vimsamsa. For example, in Guru Sanjay Rath's > chart, there is a CK-Transformation of AK Sani replaced by Guru (AmK). > It shows a change in attitude of the person from a highly conservative > person who was intently learning on jyotish himself (retrograde Sani in > the 11th) to a more open person intent of teaching and sharing knowledge > (Guru in lagna in Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga). There are plenty of people > with high degree of spirituality with Chandra as AK and people with low > degree of spirituality with Rahu or Sani as AK. So I think it is not a > good idea to use the malefic and benefic nature to distinguish between > spirituality. It is often misleading. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ===================================================================== ===\ > ===================================== > > > > > > > > > , "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary@> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Anurag and others , > > I agree, but you need to look at who and what else is there in the > > chart.When a person is spiritual the malefic qualities have been > > tranformed, like when the malefics are the AK it can show person who > > is more spiritually progressed.Malefics in 9th can also be seen in > > advanced spiritualists. > > However if we are talking about Bhagya,as it is connected to dharma > > we should really focus on navamsa for real understanding. > > Also, check shastiamsa of 9th lord before passing judegement. > > Best wishes > > LAkshmi > > > > > > > > , "Anurag Sharma" > > anuraagsharma27@ wrote: > > > > > > Suchitra Ji, > > > > > > I happened to attend the SJC Attri class when Sanjay Ji taught > > this. > > > Mars as the 9th Lord can bring hostility. Therefore, merely having > > a > > > malefic 9th Lord can give 'struggle' in some sense. This will > > apply > > > to Yogakaraka Grahas as well. I was particularly curious as I have > > > Simha Lagna and Mars is the Yogakaraka and the 9th Lord. > > > > > > Sanjay Ji clarified that in some professions, such malefic > > > influences can help. For example, Mars is needed in the chart of > > > lawyers for logic, vigour, aggression in Court, argumentation. I > > am > > > a lawyer and this is quite true. Even so, it might be a good idea > > to > > > appease the Bhagya aspect while such malefic may be positive for > > the > > > profession. > > > > > > Likewise, benefics in the 9th, lording the 9th and aspecting the > > 9th > > > form Bhagya Yoga. The dictum that benefics in the 3rd from Lagna > > are > > > not well-placed is to be understood in the light of the fact that > > > you don't need aggression if life does not call upon you to fight. > > > Benefics give an easy and natural life path. Of course, in a > > > specific chart, all this must be seen together with the other > > Yogas. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Anurag Sharma > > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > bhagya.Does > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > > something > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > > ill- > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > > Saturn > > > for > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 || Hare Raama Krsna || Dear Lakshmi-ji, Namaskar. Agreed on all points. However, I still do not agree with " like when the malefics are the AK it can show person who is more spiritually progressed." Actually, Sanjay-ji also mentions this in his article. In my experience this is not necessarily true. A malefic graha symbolizing AK doesn't make the native conquer that bad quality *by default*. Rahu as AK is extolled not because by default the person is highly spiritual. It is because Rahu lives on the border and can indicate a soul who can cross the border of the prison of karmas. Similarly a Rahu AK person can also be a cheat and vindictive (hence Rahu AK natives are warned against that). In case of Ramana Maharshi, the AK was Chandra. I wouldn't agree that a person who has Rahu as AK is necessarily of higher spiritual development than Sri Ramana. Also, if a person is spiritual as well as has a malefic graha as AK, is it better than a spiritual person with a benefic graha as AK ? I dont agree with such a distinction. I dont think that the graha's nature can indicate the higher or lower degree of spirituality in this case. This was my point. Every Graha has good and bad. The highest good of a graha represents the traits of the Devata. Mangal is bad in quarreling. But is good in the traits represented by Sri Nrusimha (zeal of protecting the weak and follower of Dharma) or Chandi Mata (violence against the internal enemies - i.e. the ripus). Thats the whole point of worshipping the devatas of a troubling graha -- i.e. to get hold of the good traits of the graha. I wasn't discussing that and I naturally agree with your statements below. Spirituality can be studied from 12-th house and from Vimsamsa and Navamsa. AK in the 2nd house can give a high degree of spirituality as this position enables him to reject his own little identity (lagna in the 12-th from AK). I believe, Sri Robert Koch has a wonderful article posted in your website on Vimsamsa analysis. Visti-ji has an article on the same from a different perspective. Best wishes, Sourav ========================================================================\ ========================= , "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Sourav, > I dont think you read my post carefully. > There are 2 sides to malefics and benefics. > Malefics play a very VITAL part of being able to follow dharma. > A good Saturn produces a conscienscious person. Where is the tapasvi > yogi without SATURN.? What is sadhu yoga without Saturn? > A good Mars shows celebacy and proper use/control of energy. > A good Sun is giving of life. > > A dog isnt expected to do much more than act like a dog, but a human > is supposed to exhibit qualities of a civilized human being, and > follow some kind of laws of religiousity or dharma. > We all have some "tests" and have to overcome our flaws and > weaknesses.Think of the Mahabharata. All the pandavas were tested to > the utmost. > Our shad-ripus are there and an spiritually elevated person often > has the greatest tests. Maya can hit the spirtually advanced person > the hardest in the form of trials and tribulations. > Isnt that what makes a person a great yogi, saint or whatever?Isnt > it Someone whose faith and sadhana can pass all tests put before him? > If students read Sanjays AK paper they can understand the type of > trials a person might have to undergo on their path of self > realization, purification ,depending on their AK.etc. > When a person has such a state of mind where they are truelly > equiposed in happiness and distress then they are a real yogi. > Think of the shakti/rudra yogas what makes them powerful?JUST > benefics? > What planets form them? benefics, malefics???? > Think of a person who uses black magic verses a person using his > shakti to heal or do good(give blessings) in the world? What is the > difference? > So when the malefic planets are surrendered or when the native has > control over the malefics- or when the manifestion of the malefic > comes out in a pure form, the malefics have great power to do GOOD. > Think about a curse, isnt it the BENEFIC that makes the curse that > much worse when it is involved? > A well placed and helpful malefic is a very good thing. > Hope you understand my point. > Best wishes > Lakshmi > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > Dear Lakshmi--ji, > > > > Namaskar. I do not agree > with the > > statement that malefic AK's show higher spiritual strength. AK is > the > > attitude of the soul and its strength (spirituality perspective) > should > > be seen from Navamsa and Vimsamsa. For example, in Guru Sanjay > Rath's > > chart, there is a CK-Transformation of AK Sani replaced by Guru > (AmK). > > It shows a change in attitude of the person from a highly > conservative > > person who was intently learning on jyotish himself (retrograde > Sani in > > the 11th) to a more open person intent of teaching and sharing > knowledge > > (Guru in lagna in Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga). There are plenty of > people > > with high degree of spirituality with Chandra as AK and people > with low > > degree of spirituality with Rahu or Sani as AK. So I think it is > not a > > good idea to use the malefic and benefic nature to distinguish > between > > spirituality. It is often misleading. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > > ===================================================================== > ===\ > > ===================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > Dear Anurag and others , > > > I agree, but you need to look at who and what else is there in > the > > > chart.When a person is spiritual the malefic qualities have been > > > tranformed, like when the malefics are the AK it can show person > who > > > is more spiritually progressed.Malefics in 9th can also be seen > in > > > advanced spiritualists. > > > However if we are talking about Bhagya,as it is connected to > dharma > > > we should really focus on navamsa for real understanding. > > > Also, check shastiamsa of 9th lord before passing judegement. > > > Best wishes > > > LAkshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Anurag Sharma" > > > anuraagsharma27@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Suchitra Ji, > > > > > > > > I happened to attend the SJC Attri class when Sanjay Ji taught > > > this. > > > > Mars as the 9th Lord can bring hostility. Therefore, merely > having > > > a > > > > malefic 9th Lord can give 'struggle' in some sense. This will > > > apply > > > > to Yogakaraka Grahas as well. I was particularly curious as I > have > > > > Simha Lagna and Mars is the Yogakaraka and the 9th Lord. > > > > > > > > Sanjay Ji clarified that in some professions, such malefic > > > > influences can help. For example, Mars is needed in the chart > of > > > > lawyers for logic, vigour, aggression in Court, argumentation. > I > > > am > > > > a lawyer and this is quite true. Even so, it might be a good > idea > > > to > > > > appease the Bhagya aspect while such malefic may be positive > for > > > the > > > > profession. > > > > > > > > Likewise, benefics in the 9th, lording the 9th and aspecting > the > > > 9th > > > > form Bhagya Yoga. The dictum that benefics in the 3rd from > Lagna > > > are > > > > not well-placed is to be understood in the light of the fact > that > > > > you don't need aggression if life does not call upon you to > fight. > > > > Benefics give an easy and natural life path. Of course, in a > > > > specific chart, all this must be seen together with the other > > > Yogas. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Anurag Sharma > > > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > > bhagya.Does > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > > > something > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) > of > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome > these > > > ill- > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > > > Saturn > > > > for > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Dear friend, It is not exactly true to say theat exalted planet in 9th will give wealth. In the chart of Lord Shri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, Saturn is retrograte and exalted in 9th. With best wishes, Mrutyunjaty My personal email id is astrologer.mrutyunjay for out of group contact and professional consultations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List members, Sadar Pranaam, Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house in Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck. I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart. It indicate , lack of freedom? Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage? Rahu shows shocks to greater extent. D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma or my own?? Best Wishes, JL , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > Dear JL and Others, > > namaskar. I notice that everyone > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is for a > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for Dharma, for > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna (dreams) etc. > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a bhagya > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for each graha. > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully in > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage' of bhagya > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ====================================================================== ==\ > =============================== > , "vedicastro_mind" > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > Dear GuruJi, > > Sadar Pranaam, > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > > bagya. > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > > along with mars. > > > > Best Wishes, > > JL > > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka Tatva > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa statement > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > > third > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so there > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with physical > > > labour. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > bhagya.Does > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > > something > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > > ill- > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn > > > for > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 hraum namah adityaya Dear JL, Namaskar *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can be seen also from Karakamsa. * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring. Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas. *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse. *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya. * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre throughout life/situations. Regards Rafal Gendarz - vedicastro_mind Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List members, Sadar Pranaam, Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house in Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck. I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart. It indicate , lack of freedom? Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage? Rahu shows shocks to greater extent. D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma or my own?? Best Wishes, JL , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > Dear JL and Others, > > namaskar. I notice that everyone > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is for a > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for Dharma, for > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna (dreams) etc. > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a bhagya > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for each graha. > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully in > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage' of bhagya > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ====================================================================== ==\ > =============================== > , "vedicastro_mind" > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > Dear GuruJi, > > Sadar Pranaam, > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > > bagya. > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > > along with mars. > > > > Best Wishes, > > JL > > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka Tatva > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa statement > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > > third > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so there > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with physical > > > labour. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > bhagya.Does > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > > something > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) of > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > > ill- > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. Saturn > > > for > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 hraum namah adityaya Dear Mrutyunjaty, Vakra deny the same through desire of reunciation (aries-debilitaion as sapthaka) - simple. Exalted grahas in ninth are euoligized as wealth-givers in many sastra's - alternatively the good fortune can come through other means if money are blocked in chart. Regards Rafal Gendarz - jyotish mrutyunjay Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:39 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya Dear friend, It is not exactly true to say theat exalted planet in 9th will give wealth. In the chart of Lord Shri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, Saturn is retrograte and exalted in 9th. With best wishes, Mrutyunjaty My personal email id is astrologer.mrutyunjay for out of group contact and professional consultations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 !Om Gurveh Namah! Dear Mrutunjaty, Namaskar! If I may add, retrograde Exalted planet behaves and gives results like a debilited planet. Hence the results seen in the horosope of Shri Rama Krishna Parmahamsa. Warm regards, Pranav Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: hraum namah adityaya Dear Mrutyunjaty, Vakra deny the same through desire of reunciation (aries-debilitaion as sapthaka) - simple. Exalted grahas in ninth are euoligized as wealth-givers in many sastra's - alternatively the good fortune can come through other means if money are blocked in chart. Regards Rafal Gendarz - jyotish mrutyunjay Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:39 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya Dear friend, It is not exactly true to say theat exalted planet in 9th will give wealth. In the chart of Lord Shri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, Saturn is retrograte and exalted in 9th. With best wishes, Mrutyunjaty My personal email id is astrologer.mrutyunjay for out of group contact and professional consultations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Dear Rafal Guru Ji, Sadar Pranaam, I dont agree with "tricky method" in dealing with Gurus , I respect each Guru who has come in my life , many came and went but I respect each one , the one who came in Education and the one in Jyotish Occean It can show triky methods in dealing withn enemies then you are right. Anyway I am not going against you infact I am learning many things with you and many other Gurus.Infact many thing yoi correcttly predicted also "i thought i will go away from Jyotish but again i have returned back." Please dont take personally then it would be great. " Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre throughout life/situations."" Mean Jupiter should be looked from 7th house from Navamsa lagna or Rashi Lagna? Best Wishes, JL , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya > > Dear JL, > Namaskar > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can be seen also from Karakamsa. > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring. Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas. > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse. > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya. > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre throughout life/situations. > > > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > vedicastro_mind > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List members, > Sadar Pranaam, > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house in > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck. > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart. > It indicate , lack of freedom? > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage? > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent. > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma or my > own?? > > Best Wishes, > JL > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > Dear JL and Others, > > > > namaskar. I notice that > everyone > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is for a > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for Dharma, > for > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna (dreams) > etc. > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a bhagya > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for each > graha. > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully in > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage' of > bhagya > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > > ====================================================================== > ==\ > > =============================== > > , "vedicastro_mind" > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear GuruJi, > > > Sadar Pranaam, > > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > > > bagya. > > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > > > along with mars. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > JL > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka > Tatva > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa > statement > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > > > third > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so > there > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > > > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with > physical > > > > labour. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > > bhagya.Does > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > > > something > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) > of > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > > > ill- > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > Saturn > > > > for > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Dear friends, As per traditional ways of judgement of D-9 chart, the effect of non-quadrant planetary placements like that of Rahu in 9th in D-9 should be assessed from the lagna sign of the Rasi Chart. Since this will be the dominating result for the chart. With regards, mrutyunjay My personal email id is astrologer.mrutyunjay for out of group contact and professional consultations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 hraum namah adityaya Dear JL, Namaskar I see how You are changing Your names and use many various methods to get Your answers. Im not saying its something evil, still its part of diplomacy (Rahu). You are very kind and gentle thats true. Jupiter in rasi lagna can mean opportunities which make You moral. Its also worth of checking (like Einstein had Jupiter in kona in D-1 which was recognized by Sanjay Rath) still the chastity comes from Navamsa. Regards Rafal Gendarz - vedicastro_mind Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:35 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya Dear Rafal Guru Ji, Sadar Pranaam, I dont agree with "tricky method" in dealing with Gurus , I respect each Guru who has come in my life , many came and went but I respect each one , the one who came in Education and the one in Jyotish Occean It can show triky methods in dealing withn enemies then you are right. Anyway I am not going against you infact I am learning many things with you and many other Gurus.Infact many thing yoi correcttly predicted also "i thought i will go away from Jyotish but again i have returned back." Please dont take personally then it would be great. " Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre throughout life/situations."" Mean Jupiter should be looked from 7th house from Navamsa lagna or Rashi Lagna? Best Wishes, JL , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya > > Dear JL, > Namaskar > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can be seen also from Karakamsa. > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring. Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas. > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse. > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya. > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre throughout life/situations. > > > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > vedicastro_mind > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List members, > Sadar Pranaam, > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house in > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck. > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart. > It indicate , lack of freedom? > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage? > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent. > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma or my > own?? > > Best Wishes, > JL > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > Dear JL and Others, > > > > namaskar. I notice that > everyone > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is for a > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for Dharma, > for > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna (dreams) > etc. > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a bhagya > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for each > graha. > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully in > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage' of > bhagya > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > > ====================================================================== > ==\ > > =============================== > > , "vedicastro_mind" > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear GuruJi, > > > Sadar Pranaam, > > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > > > bagya. > > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > > > along with mars. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > JL > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka > Tatva > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa > statement > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > > > third > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so > there > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > > > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with > physical > > > > labour. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > > bhagya.Does > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > > > something > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) > of > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > > > ill- > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > Saturn > > > > for > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Dear Pranav,' Shri Ramakrishna was highly reliious person, so as far as the lagna lord exalted in 9th house in concerned Saturn definitely behaved like an exalted planet- AN DEBILITED PLANET IN THE 9TH HOUSE OF DHARMA MEANS THE PERSON IS ENGAGED IN SINFUL ACTIVITIES -so justifying that exalted retrograde saturn behaved like in Aries or debilition would be totally misleading for all purposes. Hope we should separately treat the functional nature of Saturn against its natural karaktwa. Functional nature sometimes suffers- or -gets reduced in magnitude- where the retrogration puts and end to the natural saturnine stupidity and marital aggressive tendencies when controlled either under retrogression or in bhava sandhi. With regards to all, Mrutyunjay My personal email id is astrologer.mrutyunjay for out of group contact and professional consultations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Dear Rafal Guruji, Sadar Pranaam, Yes , I did change my name and its part of "diplomacy".so Mr.Rahu is playing on me , I wasnt knowing that. But Rahu is also good role being in 6th house , it will give me profession in "Information Technology" , my lovable field although till date i am not successful in writing programs but I feel one day i may/maynot be... Thanks for your explaning me "diplomatic" Rahu. Best Wishes, JL , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya > Dear JL, Namaskar > > I see how You are changing Your names and use many various methods to get Your answers. Im not saying its something evil, still its part of diplomacy (Rahu). You are very kind and gentle thats true. > > Jupiter in rasi lagna can mean opportunities which make You moral. Its also worth of checking (like Einstein had Jupiter in kona in D-1 which was recognized by Sanjay Rath) still the chastity comes from Navamsa. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > vedicastro_mind > > Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:35 AM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya > > > Dear Rafal Guru Ji, > Sadar Pranaam, > > I dont agree with "tricky method" in dealing with Gurus , I respect > each Guru who has come in my life , many came and went but I respect > each one , the one who came in Education and the one in Jyotish Occean > > It can show triky methods in dealing withn enemies then you are right. > Anyway I am not going against you infact I am learning many things > with you and many other Gurus.Infact many thing yoi correcttly > predicted also "i thought i will go away from Jyotish but again i > have returned back." > Please dont take personally then it would be great. > > " Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh > bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make > You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first > relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre > throughout life/situations."" > > Mean Jupiter should be looked from 7th house from Navamsa lagna or > Rashi Lagna? > > Best Wishes, > JL > > , "Rafal Gendarz" > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > hraum namah adityaya > > > > Dear JL, > > Namaskar > > > > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many > > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can > be seen also from Karakamsa. > > > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring. > Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas. > > > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse. > > > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya. > > > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh > bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make > You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first > relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre > throughout life/situations. > > > > > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > - > > vedicastro_mind > > > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya > > > > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List > members, > > Sadar Pranaam, > > > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house > in > > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck. > > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart. > > It indicate , lack of freedom? > > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage? > > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent. > > > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma > or my > > own?? > > > > Best Wishes, > > JL > > > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > > > Dear JL and Others, > > > > > > namaskar. I notice that > > everyone > > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is > for a > > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for > Dharma, > > for > > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna > (dreams) > > etc. > > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a > bhagya > > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for > each > > graha. > > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully > in > > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage' > of > > bhagya > > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > ==\ > > > =============================== > > > , "vedicastro_mind" > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear GuruJi, > > > > Sadar Pranaam, > > > > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will > block > > > > bagya. > > > > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in > retro? > > > > along with mars. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > JL > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while > Jataka > > Tatva > > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa > > statement > > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal > in > > > > third > > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) > so > > there > > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and > Tenth > > > > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with > > physical > > > > > labour. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > > > bhagya.Does > > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is > it > > > > > something > > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( > Dasha/AD/PAD) > > of > > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome > these > > > > ill- > > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( > e.g. > > Saturn > > > > > for > > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 |OM GURAVE NAMAH| Dear Rafal Namaskar You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse. So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame and humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as astra. Thank you. Regards Supriti , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya > > Dear JL, > Namaskar > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can be seen also from Karakamsa. > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring. Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas. > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse. > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya. > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre throughout life/situations. > > > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > vedicastro_mind > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List members, > Sadar Pranaam, > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house in > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck. > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart. > It indicate , lack of freedom? > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage? > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent. > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma or my > own?? > > Best Wishes, > JL > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > Dear JL and Others, > > > > namaskar. I notice that > everyone > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is for a > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for Dharma, > for > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna (dreams) > etc. > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a bhagya > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for each > graha. > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully in > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage' of > bhagya > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > > ====================================================================== > ==\ > > =============================== > > , "vedicastro_mind" > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear GuruJi, > > > Sadar Pranaam, > > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > > > bagya. > > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > > > along with mars. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > JL > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka > Tatva > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa > statement > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > > > third > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so > there > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > > > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with > physical > > > > labour. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > > bhagya.Does > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > > > something > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) > of > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > > > ill- > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > Saturn > > > > for > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 hraum namah adityaya Dear Supriti, Sanjay Ji (from whom we learnt the MKS concept) is very reserved in knowledge related to MKS in Varga's therefore I will be careful too. From His teaching we know that He is using MKS from Karya Bhava in Varga's. More than that is speculation of His students or research. Treat the seventh bhava as Lagna and treat spouse life accordingly. In my experience parents description and career fits very well. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:47 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya |OM GURAVE NAMAH| Dear Rafal Namaskar You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse. So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame and humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as astra. Thank you. Regards Supriti , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya > > Dear JL, > Namaskar > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can be seen also from Karakamsa. > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring. Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas. > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse. > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya. > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre throughout life/situations. > > > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > vedicastro_mind > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List members, > Sadar Pranaam, > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house in > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck. > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart. > It indicate , lack of freedom? > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage? > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent. > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma or my > own?? > > Best Wishes, > JL > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > Dear JL and Others, > > > > namaskar. I notice that > everyone > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is for a > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for Dharma, > for > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna (dreams) > etc. > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a bhagya > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for each > graha. > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully in > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage' of > bhagya > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > > ====================================================================== > ==\ > > =============================== > > , "vedicastro_mind" > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear GuruJi, > > > Sadar Pranaam, > > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will block > > > bagya. > > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in retro? > > > along with mars. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > JL > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suchitra, > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while Jataka > Tatva > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa > statement > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal in > > > third > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti) so > there > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and Tenth > > > > bhava must also be seen. > > > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with > physical > > > > labour. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar All, > > > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block > > > > bhagya.Does > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is it > > > > something > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma? > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen( Dasha/AD/PAD) > of > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome these > > > ill- > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak( e.g. > Saturn > > > > for > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Suchitra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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