When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

September 21, 2006

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Supriti-ji,

namaskar. No, 3rd house shows astra and

aggressiveness. A more malefic graha their shows a stronger/powerful

astra. For example, Rahu can show an atomic bomb ! 6th house shows how

we fight and overcome enemies and our status in battleground. 9th house

in Navamsa is 3rd from the 7th house - hence indicates the parakrama

bhava of the wife. If 9th house is stronger than the 3rd then the wife

is more powerful and brave than the husband. Of course this relative.

How one fights (e.g. shame and manipulation) should be seen from the 6th

house.

Best wishes,

Sourav

========================================================================\

==============

, "Supriti Majumdar" <supriti15

wrote:

>

> |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> Dear Rafal

> Namaskar

>

> You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

>

> So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame and

> humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted

> benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as astra.

>

> Thank you.

> Regards

> Supriti

>

> , "Rafal Gendarz"

> starsuponme@ wrote:

> >

> > hraum namah adityaya

> >

> > Dear JL,

> > Namaskar

> >

> > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many

> > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can

> be seen also from Karakamsa.

> >

> > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring.

> Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> >

> > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> >

> > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> >

> > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh

> bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make

> You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first

> relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre

> throughout life/situations.

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> > -

> > vedicastro_mind

> >

> > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

> >

> > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> members,

> > Sadar Pranaam,

> >

> > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house

> in

> > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage?

> > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> >

> > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma

> or my

> > own??

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > JL

> >

> > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear JL and Others,

> > >

> > > namaskar. I notice that

> > everyone

> > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is

> for a

> > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> Dharma,

> > for

> > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> (dreams)

> > etc.

> > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a

> bhagya

> > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for

> each

> > graha.

> > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully

> in

> > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage'

> of

> > bhagya

> > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

> >

> ======================================================================

> > ==\

> > > ===============================

> > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > >

> > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will

> block

> > > > bagya.

> > > >

> > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in

> retro?

> > > > along with mars.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > JL

> > > >

> > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> Jataka

> > Tatva

> > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa

> > statement

> > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal

> in

> > > > third

> > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti)

> so

> > there

> > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and

> Tenth

> > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with

> > physical

> > > > > labour.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > > , "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block

> > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is

> it

> > > > > something

> > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > of

> > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome

> these

> > > > ill-

> > > > > > effects?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak(

> e.g.

> > Saturn

> > > > > for

> > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 21, 2006

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Dear Sourav,

Maybe we are talking about the same thing? My question was:

9th lord (3rd from 7th as you said) in Navamsa shows the astra of

spouse (first spouse to be precise). Hence, if the 9th lord is in

MKS, does this mean that the spouse might try to use humiliation as

a self defense mechanism in marriage.

Thanks for replying.

Regards

Supriti

, "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Supriti-ji,

>

> namaskar. No, 3rd house shows astra

and

> aggressiveness. A more malefic graha their shows a

stronger/powerful

> astra. For example, Rahu can show an atomic bomb ! 6th house shows

how

> we fight and overcome enemies and our status in battleground. 9th

house

> in Navamsa is 3rd from the 7th house - hence indicates the

parakrama

> bhava of the wife. If 9th house is stronger than the 3rd then the

wife

> is more powerful and brave than the husband. Of course this

relative.

> How one fights (e.g. shame and manipulation) should be seen from

the 6th

> house.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

=====================================================================

===\

> ==============

>

> , "Supriti Majumdar"

<supriti15@>

> wrote:

> >

> > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> > Dear Rafal

> > Namaskar

> >

> > You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

> >

> > So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame

and

> > humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted

> > benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as

astra.

> >

> > Thank you.

> > Regards

> > Supriti

> >

> > , "Rafal Gendarz"

> > starsuponme@ wrote:

> > >

> > > hraum namah adityaya

> > >

> > > Dear JL,

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many

> > > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities.

This can

> > be seen also from Karakamsa.

> > >

> > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by

tutoring.

> > Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> > >

> > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > >

> > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> > >

> > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh

> > bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can

make

> > You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first

> > relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral

fibre

> > throughout life/situations.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > > -

> > > vedicastro_mind

> > >

> > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block

Bhagya

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> > members,

> > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > >

> > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house

> > in

> > > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with

Marriage?

> > > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> > >

> > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma

> > or my

> > > own??

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > JL

> > >

> > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear JL and Others,

> > > >

> > > > namaskar. I notice that

> > > everyone

> > > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is

> > for a

> > > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> > Dharma,

> > > for

> > > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> > (dreams)

> > > etc.

> > > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a

> > bhagya

> > > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for

> > each

> > > graha.

> > > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged

carefully

> > in

> > > > details. One should not make quick judgements

about 'blockage'

> > of

> > > bhagya

> > > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > >

> >

=====================================================================

=

> > > ==\

> > > > ===============================

> > > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will

> > block

> > > > > bagya.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in

> > retro?

> > > > > along with mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > JL

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> > Jataka

> > > Tatva

> > > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa

> > > statement

> > > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have

mangal

> > in

> > > > > third

> > > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha

drsti)

> > so

> > > there

> > > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna

and

> > Tenth

> > > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with

> > > physical

> > > > > > labour.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th

block

> > > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or

is

> > it

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> > Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > > of

> > > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one

overcome

> > these

> > > > > ill-

> > > > > > > effects?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak(

> > e.g.

> > > Saturn

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 21, 2006

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Supriti-ji,

Namaskar. MKS from whose lagna, if it

is from Native's lagna then the native's dharma or guru suffers.

Best wishes,

Sourav

===============================================================

, "Supriti Majumdar" <supriti15

wrote:

>

> |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> Dear Sourav,

>

> Maybe we are talking about the same thing? My question was:

>

> 9th lord (3rd from 7th as you said) in Navamsa shows the astra of

> spouse (first spouse to be precise). Hence, if the 9th lord is in

> MKS, does this mean that the spouse might try to use humiliation as

> a self defense mechanism in marriage.

>

> Thanks for replying.

> Regards

> Supriti

>

> , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Supriti-ji,

> >

> > namaskar. No, 3rd house shows astra

> and

> > aggressiveness. A more malefic graha their shows a

> stronger/powerful

> > astra. For example, Rahu can show an atomic bomb ! 6th house shows

> how

> > we fight and overcome enemies and our status in battleground. 9th

> house

> > in Navamsa is 3rd from the 7th house - hence indicates the

> parakrama

> > bhava of the wife. If 9th house is stronger than the 3rd then the

> wife

> > is more powerful and brave than the husband. Of course this

> relative.

> > How one fights (e.g. shame and manipulation) should be seen from

> the 6th

> > house.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> =====================================================================

> ===\

> > ==============

> >

> > , "Supriti Majumdar"

> <supriti15@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> > > Dear Rafal

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > >

> > > So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame

> and

> > > humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted

> > > benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as

> astra.

> > >

> > > Thank you.

> > > Regards

> > > Supriti

> > >

> > > , "Rafal Gendarz"

> > > starsuponme@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > >

> > > > Dear JL,

> > > > Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many

> > > > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities.

> This can

> > > be seen also from Karakamsa.

> > > >

> > > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by

> tutoring.

> > > Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> > > >

> > > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > > >

> > > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> > > >

> > > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh

> > > bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can

> make

> > > You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first

> > > relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral

> fibre

> > > throughout life/situations.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > vedicastro_mind

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block

> Bhagya

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> > > members,

> > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > >

> > > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house

> > > in

> > > > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > > > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > > > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > > > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with

> Marriage?

> > > > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> > > >

> > > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma

> > > or my

> > > > own??

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > JL

> > > >

> > > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear JL and Others,

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar. I notice that

> > > > everyone

> > > > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is

> > > for a

> > > > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> > > Dharma,

> > > > for

> > > > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> > > (dreams)

> > > > etc.

> > > > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a

> > > bhagya

> > > > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for

> > > each

> > > > graha.

> > > > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged

> carefully

> > > in

> > > > > details. One should not make quick judgements

> about 'blockage'

> > > of

> > > > bhagya

> > > > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> =====================================================================

> =

> > > > ==\

> > > > > ===============================

> > > > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will

> > > block

> > > > > > bagya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in

> > > retro?

> > > > > > along with mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > JL

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> > > Jataka

> > > > Tatva

> > > > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa

> > > > statement

> > > > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have

> mangal

> > > in

> > > > > > third

> > > > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha

> drsti)

> > > so

> > > > there

> > > > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna

> and

> > > Tenth

> > > > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with

> > > > physical

> > > > > > > labour.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th

> block

> > > > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or

> is

> > > it

> > > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> > > Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one

> overcome

> > > these

> > > > > > ill-

> > > > > > > > effects?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak(

> > > e.g.

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 22, 2006

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Dear Sourav,

Thank you once again.

Regards

Supriti

, "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Supriti-ji,

>

> Namaskar. MKS from whose lagna,

if it

> is from Native's lagna then the native's dharma or guru suffers.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> ===============================================================

> , "Supriti Majumdar"

<supriti15@>

> wrote:

> >

> > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> > Dear Sourav,

> >

> > Maybe we are talking about the same thing? My question was:

> >

> > 9th lord (3rd from 7th as you said) in Navamsa shows the astra of

> > spouse (first spouse to be precise). Hence, if the 9th lord is in

> > MKS, does this mean that the spouse might try to use humiliation

as

> > a self defense mechanism in marriage.

> >

> > Thanks for replying.

> > Regards

> > Supriti

> >

> > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Supriti-ji,

> > >

> > > namaskar. No, 3rd house shows astra

> > and

> > > aggressiveness. A more malefic graha their shows a

> > stronger/powerful

> > > astra. For example, Rahu can show an atomic bomb ! 6th house

shows

> > how

> > > we fight and overcome enemies and our status in battleground.

9th

> > house

> > > in Navamsa is 3rd from the 7th house - hence indicates the

> > parakrama

> > > bhava of the wife. If 9th house is stronger than the 3rd then

the

> > wife

> > > is more powerful and brave than the husband. Of course this

> > relative.

> > > How one fights (e.g. shame and manipulation) should be seen

from

> > the 6th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > ===\

> > > ==============

> > >

> > > , "Supriti Majumdar"

> > <supriti15@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> > > > Dear Rafal

> > > > Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > > >

> > > > So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses

shame

> > and

> > > > humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is

exalted

> > > > benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as

> > astra.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Supriti

> > > >

> > > > , "Rafal Gendarz"

> > > > starsuponme@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear JL,

> > > > > Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use

many

> > > > > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities.

> > This can

> > > > be seen also from Karakamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by

> > tutoring.

> > > > Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > > > >

> > > > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> > > > >

> > > > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to

seventh

> > > > bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality

can

> > make

> > > > You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your

first

> > > > relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral

> > fibre

> > > > throughout life/situations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > vedicastro_mind

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block

> > Bhagya

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> > > > members,

> > > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th

house

> > > > in

> > > > > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > > > > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > > > > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > > > > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with

> > Marriage?

> > > > > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> > > > >

> > > > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse

adharma

> > > > or my

> > > > > own??

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > JL

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear JL and Others,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar. I notice that

> > > > > everyone

> > > > > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi

Chart is

> > > > for a

> > > > > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> > > > Dharma,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> > > > (dreams)

> > > > > etc.

> > > > > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet

has a

> > > > bhagya

> > > > > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated

for

> > > > each

> > > > > graha.

> > > > > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged

> > carefully

> > > > in

> > > > > > details. One should not make quick judgements

> > about 'blockage'

> > > > of

> > > > > bhagya

> > > > > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be

misleading.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > =

> > > > > ==\

> > > > > > ===============================

> > > > > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th

will

> > > > block

> > > > > > > bagya.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house

(virgo) in

> > > > retro?

> > > > > > > along with mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > JL

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Rafal"

starsuponme@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> > > > Jataka

> > > > > Tatva

> > > > > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while

J.Tattwa

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have

> > mangal

> > > > in

> > > > > > > third

> > > > > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha

> > drsti)

> > > > so

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the

Lagna

> > and

> > > > Tenth

> > > > > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal

with

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > labour.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > >

, "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in

9th

> > block

> > > > > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ?

or

> > is

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in

dharma?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> > > > Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one

> > overcome

> > > > these

> > > > > > > ill-

> > > > > > > > > effects?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong

yogakarak(

> > > > e.g.

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 22, 2006

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Thank you so much for your reply.

Regards

Supriti

, "Rafal Gendarz"

<starsuponme wrote:

>

> hraum namah adityaya

> Dear Supriti,

>

> Sanjay Ji (from whom we learnt the MKS concept) is very reserved

in knowledge related to MKS in Varga's therefore I will be careful

too. From His teaching we know that He is using MKS from Karya Bhava

in Varga's. More than that is speculation of His students or

research.

> Treat the seventh bhava as Lagna and treat spouse life

accordingly. In my experience parents description and career fits

very well.

>

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

> -

> Supriti Majumdar

>

> Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:47 PM

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

>

> |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> Dear Rafal

> Namaskar

>

> You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

>

> So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame

and

> humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is

exalted

> benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as

astra.

>

> Thank you.

> Regards

> Supriti

>

> , "Rafal Gendarz"

> <starsuponme@> wrote:

> >

> > hraum namah adityaya

> >

> > Dear JL,

> > Namaskar

> >

> > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many

> > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities.

This can

> be seen also from Karakamsa.

> >

> > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by

tutoring.

> Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> >

> > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> >

> > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> >

> > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh

> bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can

make

> You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first

> relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral

fibre

> throughout life/situations.

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> > -

> > vedicastro_mind

> >

> > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block

Bhagya

> >

> > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> members,

> > Sadar Pranaam,

> >

> > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th

house

> in

> > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with

Marriage?

> > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> >

> > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse

adharma

> or my

> > own??

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > JL

> >

> > , "Sourav" <souravc108@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear JL and Others,

> > >

> > > namaskar. I notice that

> > everyone

> > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart

is

> for a

> > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> Dharma,

> > for

> > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> (dreams)

> > etc.

> > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a

> bhagya

> > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for

> each

> > graha.

> > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged

carefully

> in

> > > details. One should not make quick judgements

about 'blockage'

> of

> > bhagya

> > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

> >

>

=====================================================================

=

> > ==\

> > > ===============================

> > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > >

> > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will

> block

> > > > bagya.

> > > >

> > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo)

in

> retro?

> > > > along with mars.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > JL

> > > >

> > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> Jataka

> > Tatva

> > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while

J.Tattwa

> > statement

> > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have

mangal

> in

> > > > third

> > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha

drsti)

> so

> > there

> > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna

and

> Tenth

> > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal

with

> > physical

> > > > > labour.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > > , "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th

block

> > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or

is

> it

> > > > > something

> > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > of

> > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one

overcome

> these

> > > > ill-

> > > > > > effects?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak(

> e.g.

> > Saturn

> > > > > for

> > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 22, 2006

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Rafal and Supriti-ji,

Namaskar. Maranakaraka

is a classical concept and not parampara concept. Also, Sanjay-ji uses

it in Vargas. Please refer to Dasamsa Lecture in London 2004 conference.

Right from the start I have been taught that Vargas can be read as

completely independant charts just like Rasi charts but focussed in one

area. For example, 7th house in Siddhamsa shows doctorate level

education but doesn't mean that a person who doesn't have doctorate

doesn't have anything to do with 7th house. 7th house is the house

through which we interact with the society. With changes in the 7th we

come across different people. When in Siddhamsa, the context is about

learning. Narasimha-ji in one class used D-4 to analyse properties etc

and used rajayogas even, just like Rasi Chart. So please do not

restrict yourself in special meanings of houses in vargas. Treat them in

addition.

For a Varga, some of the karakas related to that area become important

and their MKS from Lagna shows weakness in those charts. Marana-karaka

means that when the karakatva of the graha is completely different from

the job it is asked to perform.

Best wishes,

Sourav

=================================================================

, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> hraum namah adityaya

> Dear Supriti,

>

> Sanjay Ji (from whom we learnt the MKS concept) is very reserved in

knowledge related to MKS in Varga's therefore I will be careful too.

>From His teaching we know that He is using MKS from Karya Bhava in

Varga's. More than that is speculation of His students or research.

> Treat the seventh bhava as Lagna and treat spouse life accordingly. In

my experience parents description and career fits very well.

>

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

> -

> Supriti Majumdar

>

> Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:47 PM

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

>

> |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> Dear Rafal

> Namaskar

>

> You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

>

> So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame and

> humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted

> benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as astra.

>

> Thank you.

> Regards

> Supriti

>

> , "Rafal Gendarz"

> starsuponme@ wrote:

> >

> > hraum namah adityaya

> >

> > Dear JL,

> > Namaskar

> >

> > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many

> > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can

> be seen also from Karakamsa.

> >

> > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring.

> Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> >

> > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> >

> > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> >

> > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh

> bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make

> You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first

> relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre

> throughout life/situations.

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> > -

> > vedicastro_mind

> >

> > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

> >

> > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> members,

> > Sadar Pranaam,

> >

> > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house

> in

> > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage?

> > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> >

> > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma

> or my

> > own??

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > JL

> >

> > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear JL and Others,

> > >

> > > namaskar. I notice that

> > everyone

> > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is

> for a

> > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> Dharma,

> > for

> > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> (dreams)

> > etc.

> > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a

> bhagya

> > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for

> each

> > graha.

> > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully

> in

> > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage'

> of

> > bhagya

> > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

> >

> ======================================================================

> > ==\

> > > ===============================

> > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > >

> > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will

> block

> > > > bagya.

> > > >

> > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in

> retro?

> > > > along with mars.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > JL

> > > >

> > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> Jataka

> > Tatva

> > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa

> > statement

> > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal

> in

> > > > third

> > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti)

> so

> > there

> > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and

> Tenth

> > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with

> > physical

> > > > > labour.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > > , "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block

> > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is

> it

> > > > > something

> > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > of

> > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome

> these

> > > > ill-

> > > > > > effects?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak(

> e.g.

> > Saturn

> > > > > for

> > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 22, 2006

hraum namah adityaya

Dear Sourav, Namaskar

MYTH OF VARGA MKS

After 2004 Sanjay Ji is very careful about teachings Marana karaka

sthana in Vargas. Infact even if His student were refering to it in

mails or personal questions (for example Serbia 05/06) He is very

careful and dont say much. In one of his mails he says that He didnt

teach MKS in Vargas and will wait with it. Im aware that there are

some exception and he used the simple method, even in His book(s).

(narayana dasa d-4 or d-16 example). In last atri classes and few

other places He revealed the issue with karya bhava/MKS which was

appreciated by our community.

VARGAS APPROACH

Infact Vargas are more serious & complicated than just

Rasi-translation. So I cant agree that we can play in the same manner.

I think I dont have to cite examples like D-6 (completely other

meaning of bhavas) or Mahapurusa or Nabhasa Yogas who doesnt say

anything in Vargas. Im respectful to research done by His sisyas but I

see very important to flirt the research from parampara teachings. In

that way we can give choice to others what to take. Attitude other

than that is invalid.

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

, "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Rafal and Supriti-ji,

>

> Namaskar. Maranakaraka

> is a classical concept and not parampara concept. Also, Sanjay-ji uses

> it in Vargas. Please refer to Dasamsa Lecture in London 2004 conference.

>

> Right from the start I have been taught that Vargas can be read as

> completely independant charts just like Rasi charts but focussed in one

> area. For example, 7th house in Siddhamsa shows doctorate level

> education but doesn't mean that a person who doesn't have doctorate

> doesn't have anything to do with 7th house. 7th house is the house

> through which we interact with the society. With changes in the 7th we

> come across different people. When in Siddhamsa, the context is about

> learning. Narasimha-ji in one class used D-4 to analyse properties etc

> and used rajayogas even, just like Rasi Chart. So please do not

> restrict yourself in special meanings of houses in vargas. Treat them in

> addition.

>

> For a Varga, some of the karakas related to that area become important

> and their MKS from Lagna shows weakness in those charts. Marana-karaka

> means that when the karakatva of the graha is completely different from

> the job it is asked to perform.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> =================================================================

>

> , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@>

> wrote:

> >

> > hraum namah adityaya

> > Dear Supriti,

> >

> > Sanjay Ji (from whom we learnt the MKS concept) is very reserved in

> knowledge related to MKS in Varga's therefore I will be careful too.

> From His teaching we know that He is using MKS from Karya Bhava in

> Varga's. More than that is speculation of His students or research.

> > Treat the seventh bhava as Lagna and treat spouse life accordingly. In

> my experience parents description and career fits very well.

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> > -

> > Supriti Majumdar

> >

> > Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:47 PM

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

> >

> > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> > Dear Rafal

> > Namaskar

> >

> > You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

> >

> > So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame and

> > humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted

> > benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as astra.

> >

> > Thank you.

> > Regards

> > Supriti

> >

> > , "Rafal Gendarz"

> > starsuponme@ wrote:

> > >

> > > hraum namah adityaya

> > >

> > > Dear JL,

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many

> > > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This can

> > be seen also from Karakamsa.

> > >

> > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by tutoring.

> > Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> > >

> > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > >

> > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> > >

> > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh

> > bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can make

> > You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first

> > relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre

> > throughout life/situations.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > > -

> > > vedicastro_mind

> > >

> > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> > members,

> > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > >

> > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house

> > in

> > > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with Marriage?

> > > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> > >

> > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma

> > or my

> > > own??

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > JL

> > >

> > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear JL and Others,

> > > >

> > > > namaskar. I notice that

> > > everyone

> > > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is

> > for a

> > > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> > Dharma,

> > > for

> > > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> > (dreams)

> > > etc.

> > > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a

> > bhagya

> > > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for

> > each

> > > graha.

> > > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully

> > in

> > > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage'

> > of

> > > bhagya

> > > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > >

> > ======================================================================

> > > ==\

> > > > ===============================

> > > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will

> > block

> > > > > bagya.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in

> > retro?

> > > > > along with mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > JL

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> > Jataka

> > > Tatva

> > > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa

> > > statement

> > > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have mangal

> > in

> > > > > third

> > > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti)

> > so

> > > there

> > > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and

> > Tenth

> > > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with

> > > physical

> > > > > > labour.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th block

> > > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is

> > it

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> > Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > > of

> > > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome

> > these

> > > > > ill-

> > > > > > > effects?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak(

> > e.g.

> > > Saturn

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 22, 2006

Dear sourav,

In D-9, it should be 7th lord for determination of

shastra or means or courage etc. from the relevant

factors.

Senior learned members may plz confirm it

My personal email id is astrologer.mrutyunjay for out of group contact and professional consultations.

September 22, 2006

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Rafal,

Namaskar. Anuraag-ji has given a part of the answer

to you regarding Sanjay-ji's views about the MKS applicability in Vargas

and from other references.

I just want to add one line about Vargas usage. Please remember that his

students are also doing research under his guidance. I have heard

Narasimha-ji to be very careful when he talks about something. He

clearly mentions if what his is about to speak of, differs from

Sanjay-ji's Parampara standpoint. So we shouldn't discount his sisyas

teachings. Now I do agree that there are differences between Rasi and

Vargas, but similarities too are there. That was my whole point. There

are yogas which are meaningless in Vargas but also some which are

meaningful. Varga's can be treated as independant charts and Lagna in

each varga represents the native in that area of the varga. This enables

us to do Varga Tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya varga. Recently an

respectable gentleman astrologer gave his research about bhava and rasi

vargottama in Vargas. Also see how you use the vargas to talk about a

persons past and present in Prasnas.

Hence I should keep quite to such statements like : "Attitude other than

that is invalid."

Being a very good student and ardent jyotishi, you will produces some

nice research in the times to come and I am open to learning from you in

the light of logic.

Thank you Rafal.

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================================

, "Rafal" <starsuponme wrote:

>

> hraum namah adityaya

> Dear Sourav, Namaskar

>

> MYTH OF VARGA MKS

>

> After 2004 Sanjay Ji is very careful about teachings Marana karaka

> sthana in Vargas. Infact even if His student were refering to it in

> mails or personal questions (for example Serbia 05/06) He is very

> careful and dont say much. In one of his mails he says that He didnt

> teach MKS in Vargas and will wait with it. Im aware that there are

> some exception and he used the simple method, even in His book(s).

> (narayana dasa d-4 or d-16 example). In last atri classes and few

> other places He revealed the issue with karya bhava/MKS which was

> appreciated by our community.

>

> VARGAS APPROACH

>

> Infact Vargas are more serious & complicated than just

> Rasi-translation. So I cant agree that we can play in the same manner.

> I think I dont have to cite examples like D-6 (completely other

> meaning of bhavas) or Mahapurusa or Nabhasa Yogas who doesnt say

> anything in Vargas. Im respectful to research done by His sisyas but I

> see very important to flirt the research from parampara teachings. In

> that way we can give choice to others what to take. Attitude other

> than that is invalid.

>

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

> , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Rafal and Supriti-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. Maranakaraka

> > is a classical concept and not parampara concept. Also, Sanjay-ji

uses

> > it in Vargas. Please refer to Dasamsa Lecture in London 2004

conference.

> >

> > Right from the start I have been taught that Vargas can be read as

> > completely independant charts just like Rasi charts but focussed in

one

> > area. For example, 7th house in Siddhamsa shows doctorate level

> > education but doesn't mean that a person who doesn't have doctorate

> > doesn't have anything to do with 7th house. 7th house is the house

> > through which we interact with the society. With changes in the 7th

we

> > come across different people. When in Siddhamsa, the context is

about

> > learning. Narasimha-ji in one class used D-4 to analyse properties

etc

> > and used rajayogas even, just like Rasi Chart. So please do not

> > restrict yourself in special meanings of houses in vargas. Treat

them in

> > addition.

> >

> > For a Varga, some of the karakas related to that area become

important

> > and their MKS from Lagna shows weakness in those charts.

Marana-karaka

> > means that when the karakatva of the graha is completely different

from

> > the job it is asked to perform.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > =================================================================

> >

> > , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > Dear Supriti,

> > >

> > > Sanjay Ji (from whom we learnt the MKS concept) is very reserved

in

> > knowledge related to MKS in Varga's therefore I will be careful too.

> > From His teaching we know that He is using MKS from Karya Bhava in

> > Varga's. More than that is speculation of His students or research.

> > > Treat the seventh bhava as Lagna and treat spouse life

accordingly. In

> > my experience parents description and career fits very well.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > > -

> > > Supriti Majumdar

> > >

> > > Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:47 PM

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

> > >

> > > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> > > Dear Rafal

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > >

> > > So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame

and

> > > humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted

> > > benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as

astra.

> > >

> > > Thank you.

> > > Regards

> > > Supriti

> > >

> > > , "Rafal Gendarz"

> > > starsuponme@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > >

> > > > Dear JL,

> > > > Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many

> > > > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This

can

> > > be seen also from Karakamsa.

> > > >

> > > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by

tutoring.

> > > Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> > > >

> > > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > > >

> > > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> > > >

> > > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh

> > > bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can

make

> > > You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first

> > > relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre

> > > throughout life/situations.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > vedicastro_mind

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> > > members,

> > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > >

> > > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house

> > > in

> > > > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > > > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > > > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > > > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with

Marriage?

> > > > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> > > >

> > > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma

> > > or my

> > > > own??

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > JL

> > > >

> > > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear JL and Others,

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar. I notice that

> > > > everyone

> > > > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is

> > > for a

> > > > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> > > Dharma,

> > > > for

> > > > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> > > (dreams)

> > > > etc.

> > > > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a

> > > bhagya

> > > > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for

> > > each

> > > > graha.

> > > > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully

> > > in

> > > > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage'

> > > of

> > > > bhagya

> > > > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

======================================================================

> > > > ==\

> > > > > ===============================

> > > > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will

> > > block

> > > > > > bagya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in

> > > retro?

> > > > > > along with mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > JL

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> > > Jataka

> > > > Tatva

> > > > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa

> > > > statement

> > > > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have

mangal

> > > in

> > > > > > third

> > > > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti)

> > > so

> > > > there

> > > > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and

> > > Tenth

> > > > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with

> > > > physical

> > > > > > > labour.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th

block

> > > > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is

> > > it

> > > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> > > Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome

> > > these

> > > > > > ill-

> > > > > > > > effects?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak(

> > > e.g.

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 22, 2006

hraum namah adityaya

Dear Sourav,

Then we agree in following parampara before research.

Thank You for blessings.

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

, "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> Namaskar. Anuraag-ji has given a part of the answer

> to you regarding Sanjay-ji's views about the MKS applicability in Vargas

> and from other references.

>

> I just want to add one line about Vargas usage. Please remember that his

> students are also doing research under his guidance. I have heard

> Narasimha-ji to be very careful when he talks about something. He

> clearly mentions if what his is about to speak of, differs from

> Sanjay-ji's Parampara standpoint. So we shouldn't discount his sisyas

> teachings. Now I do agree that there are differences between Rasi and

> Vargas, but similarities too are there. That was my whole point. There

> are yogas which are meaningless in Vargas but also some which are

> meaningful. Varga's can be treated as independant charts and Lagna in

> each varga represents the native in that area of the varga. This enables

> us to do Varga Tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya varga. Recently an

> respectable gentleman astrologer gave h

is research about bhava and rasi

> vargottama in Vargas. Also see how you use the vargas to talk about a

> persons past and present in Prasnas.

>

> Hence I should keep quite to such statements like : "Attitude other than

> that is invalid."

>

> Being a very good student and ardent jyotishi, you will produces some

> nice research in the times to come and I am open to learning from you in

> the light of logic.

>

> Thank you Rafal.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> ==================================================================

>

> , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote:

> >

> > hraum namah adityaya

> > Dear Sourav, Namaskar

> >

> > MYTH OF VARGA MKS

> >

> > After 2004 Sanjay Ji is very careful about teachings Marana karaka

> > sthana in Vargas. Infact even if His student were refering to it in

> > mails or personal questions (for example Serbia 05/06) He is very

> > careful and dont say much. In one of his mails he says that He didnt

> > teach MKS in Vargas and will wait with it. Im aware that there are

> > some exception and he used the simple method, even in His book(s).

> > (narayana dasa d-4 or d-16 example). In last atri classes and few

> > other places He revealed the issue with karya bhava/MKS which was

> > appreciated by our community.

> >

> > VARGAS APPROACH

> >

> > Infact Vargas are more serious & complicated than just

> > Rasi-translation. So I cant agree that we can play in the same manner.

> > I think I dont have to cite examples like D-6 (completely other

> > meaning of bhavas) or Mahapurusa or Nabhasa Yogas who doesnt say

> > anything in Vargas. Im respectful to research done by His sisyas but I

> > see very important to flirt the research from parampara teachings. In

> > that way we can give choice to others what to take. Attitude other

> > than that is invalid.

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Rafal and Supriti-ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskar. Maranakaraka

> > > is a classical concept and not parampara concept. Also, Sanjay-ji

> uses

> > > it in Vargas. Please refer to Dasamsa Lecture in London 2004

> conference.

> > >

> > > Right from the start I have been taught that Vargas can be read as

> > > completely independant charts just like Rasi charts but focussed in

> one

> > > area. For example, 7th house in Siddhamsa shows doctorate level

> > > education but doesn't mean that a person who doesn't have doctorate

> > > doesn't have anything to do with 7th house. 7th house is the house

> > > through which we interact with the society. With changes in the 7th

> we

> > > come across different people. When in Siddhamsa, the context is

> about

> > > learning. Narasimha-ji in one class used D-4 to analyse properties

> etc

> > > and used rajayogas even, just like Rasi Chart. So please do not

> > > restrict yourself in special meanings of houses in vargas. Treat

> them in

> > > addition.

> > >

> > > For a Varga, some of the karakas related to that area become

> important

> > > and their MKS from Lagna shows weakness in those charts.

> Marana-karaka

> > > means that when the karakatva of the graha is completely different

> from

> > > the job it is asked to perform.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

> > > =================================================================

> > >

> > > , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > > Dear Supriti,

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Ji (from whom we learnt the MKS concept) is very reserved

> in

> > > knowledge related to MKS in Varga's therefore I will be careful too.

> > > From His teaching we know that He is using MKS from Karya Bhava in

> > > Varga's. More than that is speculation of His students or research.

> > > > Treat the seventh bhava as Lagna and treat spouse life

> accordingly. In

> > > my experience parents description and career fits very well.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Supriti Majumdar

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:47 PM

> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

> > > >

> > > > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> > > > Dear Rafal

> > > > Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > You have mentioned that 9th bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > > >

> > > > So if D9, 9th lord is in MKS, can we say that spouse uses shame

> and

> > > > humiliation as his/her astra. Similarly is D9 9th lord is exalted

> > > > benefic in Kendra/kona, spouse uses positive reinforcement as

> astra.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Supriti

> > > >

> > > > , "Rafal Gendarz"

> > > > starsuponme@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear JL,

> > > > > Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > *Rahu in ninth in Navamsa Lagna will show that You can use many

> > > > > tricky methods in dealing with Your Gurus and authorities. This

> can

> > > > be seen also from Karakamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > * It also shows what kind of ability You can develop by

> tutoring.

> > > > Lack of freedom comes from Bandhana Yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > > *Ninth bhava is astra of first spouse.

> > > > >

> > > > > *Indeed malefics in ninth block bhagya.

> > > > >

> > > > > * Spouse dharma is seen from Yogas present in kona to seventh

> > > > bhava. If Jupiter is in artha trikona then spouse morality can

> make

> > > > You chaste, or it means that You are chaste regarding Your first

> > > > relation, while Guru in Dharma-kona Navamsa shows Your moral fibre

> > > > throughout life/situations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > vedicastro_mind

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:01 PM

> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: When Malefics in 9th block Bhagya

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sourav Guru Ji ,Rafal Guru Ji and other Respected List

> > > > members,

> > > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok , I agree with you , can what we say about Rahu in 9th house

> > > > in

> > > > > Aries for Leo Lagna in Navamsa show about luck.

> > > > > I have malefics both in rasi and navamsa chart.

> > > > > It indicate , lack of freedom?

> > > > > Rahu show adharma , how can we interpret this Rahu with

> Marriage?

> > > > > Rahu shows shocks to greater extent.

> > > > >

> > > > > D9 shows about spouse and 9th Rahu , can it show spouse adharma

> > > > or my

> > > > > own??

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > JL

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Sourav" <souravc108@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear JL and Others,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar. I notice that

> > > > > everyone

> > > > > > is discussing bhagya from the Rasi-ninth house. Rasi Chart is

> > > > for a

> > > > > > physical reality and the 9th house should be examined for

> > > > Dharma,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > guidance (guru/father), for foreign residence, for swapna

> > > > (dreams)

> > > > > etc.

> > > > > > Bhagya is the totality of your past punya. Each planet has a

> > > > bhagya

> > > > > > associated with it. Ishta and Kashta phala is calculated for

> > > > each

> > > > > graha.

> > > > > > The chart for Bhagya is Navamsa and should be judged carefully

> > > > in

> > > > > > details. One should not make quick judgements about 'blockage'

> > > > of

> > > > > bhagya

> > > > > > from the 9th house of rasi chart. This will be misleading.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> ======================================================================

> > > > > ==\

> > > > > > ===============================

> > > > > > , "vedicastro_mind"

> > > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear GuruJi,

> > > > > > > Sadar Pranaam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you say Lagna Lord even if he is "malefic" in 9th will

> > > > block

> > > > > > > bagya.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am capricorn lagna with LL (saturn)in 9th house(virgo) in

> > > > retro?

> > > > > > > along with mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > JL

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Rafal" starsuponme@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Suchitra,

> > > > > > > > According to Jataka Parijata it gives durbhagya while

> > > > Jataka

> > > > > Tatva

> > > > > > > > says sinful. Jataka Parijata is more right while J.Tattwa

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > should be seen with D-60 to be accurate. If You have

> mangal

> > > > in

> > > > > > > third

> > > > > > > > it can make You IMPLY your dharma with spear (graha drsti)

> > > > so

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is temptation for sinful desire/movement but the Lagna and

> > > > Tenth

> > > > > > > > bhava must also be seen.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jaimini also says that malefics in Lagna makes one

> > > > > > > > sinful/illegitimate but this also mean that one deal with

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > labour.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "suchitra_kamath"

> > > > > > > > <suchitra_kamath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is actually implied when we say Malefics in 9th

> block

> > > > > > > > bhagya.Does

> > > > > > > > > it mean one does not get what one is destined to ? or is

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > else? Also does this also lead to a 'fall' in dharma?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please tell me when these effects can be seen(

> > > > Dasha/AD/PAD)

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > malefics?Or is it through out life? How can one overcome

> > > > these

> > > > > > > ill-

> > > > > > > > > effects?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also if the malefic happens to be a strong yogakarak(

> > > > e.g.

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > libra lagna)then how will things get modified?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Suchitra

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 22, 2006

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Guys, Namaskar.

There is no problem is using Marana Karaka Sthana in Vargas, and one

should use it. However, there is an added importance given to MKS from

certain other points than the lagna when using the vargas. Take the

example of Venus in the twelfth house in Navamsa which is supposed to be

very inauspicious for marriage, which guruji has shown using several

examples in COVA.

Here the reason for such an inauspicious position arises from the point

that Venus in the twelfth is in MKS from the seventh house. Here the

seventh house is the Karya Bhava for marriage and relationships, which

is an important part of navamsa analysis.

Similarly Mercury in the twelfth in Dasamsa, is also inauspicious,

because its in MKS from the sixth house of service. So such a native may

go throughout life without much career-growth and progress in life.

Usually such people stick to menial jobs.

So there is an ADDED importance given to divisional charts when it comes

to MKS. Use it and see what results you get.

Yours sincerely,

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

For Consultations and Articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

Sourav wrote:

>

> * || Hare Raama Krsna || *

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> Namaskar. Anuraag-ji has given a part of the answer

> to you regarding Sanjay-ji's views about the MKS applicability in

> Vargas and from other references.

>

> I just want to add one line about Vargas usage. Please remember that

> his students are also doing research under his guidance. I have heard

> Narasimha-ji to be very careful when he talks about something. He

> clearly mentions if what his is about to speak of, differs from

> Sanjay-ji's Parampara standpoint. So we shouldn't discount his sisyas

> teachings. Now I do agree that there are differences between Rasi and

> Vargas, but similarities too are there. That was my whole point. There

> are yogas which are meaningless in Vargas but also some which are

> meaningful. Varga's can be treated as independant charts and Lagna in

> each varga represents the native in that area of the varga. This

> enables us to do Varga Tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya varga. Recently

> an respectable gentleman astrologer gave his research about bhava and

> rasi vargottama in Vargas. Also see how you use the vargas to talk

> about a persons past and present in Prasnas.

>

> Hence I should keep quite to such statements like : "Attitude other

> than that is invalid."

>

> Being a very good student and ardent jyotishi, you will produces some

> nice research in the times to come and I am open to learning from you

> in the light of logic.

>

> Thank you Rafal.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

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> , "Rafal" <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: