Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Dear RRji, I am thankful for the ban on me sometime back and otherwise could not see the bright side of you as deeply as it can be. I am greatful and deeply appricate the frank all dimensions of me that u put good, bad ugly -all in one. I have to honestly say I had no issues with u other than the 2 liners and not supportive of works by new commers like Srinadh's posts then though we had some small exchanges but sirnad's exchanges did trigger the WORST in me for a short time, I rarey do these. we are supposed to guide people and it will be sad when someone else has sto point a finger at us always checks me. I wanted ur rich experience to help youngsters sharnen their skills, focus and wident he research ablities of new commers whatver their abilities were you can draw from ur vast repotire of knowledge and ask them searching questions that thios work says .... and u can ref to this and get back with fresher angles to see ur post.... AND I always never fail to hilight to everyone after Apr 14th or so all mails fo RR are worth reading [i did read the earliers ones also I did not like As a senior here I expected the mails that are comming after Apr 14 that is all I had no other motive my brief tirade or our ur change of Dasa whatever is a good thing for the subject in the end. I believe the subject is above all of us. and but for the subject there is no need for us to be here, as Long as I can share whatever I can share will do in the time constraitns I already said but if there is going to be sword on our head then it may be difficult seeing the hot exchages here now on the PLL it appears like u said in another post to arjunji -------- Arjun ji, After creating and nurturing this beautiful garden of astrology for some years and having built up membership, as mentioned a few times, that vyes in numbers with the only other similar group which has an institution behind it as we all know (and this is not a criticism of another group, let me say outright!), what would be the pragmatic reason for Tanvir to create a situation which has the potential for destroying his creation? ----------- this picture seems inevitable the END of this site if Atheists, heritics can call the shots. if the true decomcratic spirit was there say a simpler vote option 1 BAN BHASKAR Y/N 2. SUSPEND HIM Y/N 3. A MODERATOR REQUIRED Y/N 4. 2 MODERATORS REQUIRED Y/N 5. ASHUTOSH AS MODERATOR 6. PT ARJUN AS MODERATOR [AS HE OFFERED TO, NO ONE ELSE DID AND is proficient in shastras unlike any one of us. I am near zero there. just astrolgoy nothing else. 7 anyone else a moderator. for this a list of names could be called by Sri Tanvir himself whover he feels from the past few yrs have done good work in the group. GOD BLESS JR. , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Arjun ji, > > I understand the points raised by you. I have rubbed many members the > wrong way in the past -- that is my prarabdha. > > When Kumar ji was banned, I was the first one to respond here > publicly and so did others, and Tanvir reversed his decision on very > sane and rational grounds very OPENLY and transparently! > > I have had difficult conversations with Kumarji on this board, but > the beauty in his soul was never lost upon me. Call me biased! > > I have not commented on the present 'drama' or MAYA if you want to > call it! Because I do not feel that I can connect to it. > > Religious angle to astrology is like subtitles in a film! It may make > the film and theme and dialogue more understandable, but it does not > take over the original film! > > Astrology is pure, like an infant. It has no theme and language and > agenda! It is just supposed to bring instant love to the heart! Who > ever really understood the gurgling and cooing of an infant (even the > mother!), but who could ever resist picking it up? > > RR > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear RRji > > > > in the net, the space is offered freely by and whosoever has > > created these groups have given a platform to likeminded people to > > come and share their views and opinions freely and also discuss the > > subject of astrology, remedies and learn it by asking questions as > > well as also give free readings, time permitting. tanvirji has > been > > most democratic by giving 100% automatic approval for all members > > which is his hallmark till date. however due to his preoccupation > > with his own life and having less time to answer queries in this > > group, few members like us have made this group like our own group > > and have started giving our best contributions by sparing our time, > > money and energy. true ashutoshji is also a great member and great > > contributor like you and me. but i emphasised in several mails > that > > VEDIC JYOTISH OR ASTROLOGY IS INEXPLICABLY INTERTWINED WITH HINDU > > (NOT OTHER RELIGIONS) MYTHOLOGY AND HENCE A PERSON WHO DOES NOT > > BELIEVE IN GOD, CANNOT HEAD THIS GROUP OF JYOTISH REMEDIES WHICH > > BELIEVES IN GOD. Tanviji is a great astrologer and he beleives in > > god. > > > > you and i are the first two individuals who got the bad moody > > expression of words by bhaskarji but both have seen the potential > > knowledge and contributions he could make to the group and have > > accommodated him and he brought happiness and relief to several > > querents. i advised him publicly as well as in private not to let > > his moods overtake his expressions and show maturity by writing > > positive polished language which, unfortunately he could not not > > improve upon and am sure he will improve as he got two LEARNING > > EXPERIENCES by getting banned from the two largest astro groups on > > the web. > > > > one thing i can conclude firmly is that the way tanvirji is > > expressing emphatically that ashutoshji is now the new moderator > who > > got 100% rights and powers to do any thing as ashutosh feels fit > and > > that tanvirji dont interfere even if ashutosh does things which are > > not to the linking of tanvirji or most members of this group, is a > > clear indication of putting the ball in the court of ashutoshji and > > DARING THE BOLD MEMBERS TO VENTURE TO ASK ASHUTOSHJI DIRECTLY AND > > GET BANNED BY HIM. > > > > you and i are risking this as we are sure that tanvirji would > review > > his decision and ashutoshji would also find the MORAL GROUNDS not > in > > his favour when several members are openly objecting to his > > moderatorship instantly after his appointment. if he wants to > stick > > to his post turning a blind eye to all these objections, let > members > > judge him. > > > > as regards you and i are concerned, we believe in free and fair > > expression of knowledge as well as free sharing of knowledge and > > also give and expect the same freedome and expression from others. > > > > hope better sense prevails and tanvirji reviews his decision and > > ashutoshji too finds some moral validity for his continuing as > > moderator. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > After creating and nurturing this beautiful garden of astrology > > for > > > some years and having built up membership, as mentioned a few > > times, > > > that vyes in numbers with the only other similar group which has > > an > > > institution behind it as we all know (and this is not a criticism > > of > > > another group, let me say outright!), what would be the pragmatic > > > reason for Tanvir to create a situation which has the potential > > for > > > destroying his creation? > > > > > > I am merely expressing my perplexity as an ordinary member here. > > > > > > Unless the child was misbehaving beyond his own good, why would a > > > parent punish him, if that is what this amounts to? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > as brother satishji rightly put, the way this poll is > > constructed, > > > > it is a clever ploy to meet both the objectives of the group > > > OWNER. > > > > objective one is that he wants ashutosh as the dictator > > moderator > > > of > > > > this group at any cost, so he gave 3 out of 4 options to vote > > for > > > > ashutosh being the moderator. the second objective is that > > since > > > > many people are asking for reinstatement of bhaskarji, he gave > 3 > > > out > > > > of 4 options to remove the ban on bhaskarji, so that bhaskarji > > can > > > > be reinstated based on this majority number. > > > > > > > > now, here is the catch. by this poll, the owner is clearly > > > > conveying a message that he will do the following, as he has > > done > > > > earlier: > > > > > > > > 1. if he receives few complaints in his personal mail against > > one > > > > member, he removes them autocratically like a dictator but he > > has > > > > the power to review his decision, if members give feedback. > > > > 2. he appoints such a moderator who empathises his way of > > removing > > > > an active member and improves the dictatorship by not even > > telling > > > > the group about it. > > > > 3. he supports such moderator's acts publicly and reconfirm > that > > > > dictatorial rule is here to stay. > > > > 4. instantly after the appointment of ashutosh as moderator, he > > > gets > > > > serious objection from several members that he is an athiest > who > > > > cannot be the moderator of a jyotish group which believes in > > god, > > > or > > > > he is a dictator, or many other reasons. what a great way to > > greet > > > > a newly appointed moderator. the owner keeps silent on these > > > > observations. > > > > 5. when several people object to the appointment of asutoshji > as > > a > > > > moderator, he cleverly formats a poll wherein 3 out of 4 > options > > > are > > > > given to vote FOR ashutoshji. > > > > > > > > all the above clearly suggest that ashutoshji will remain the > > > > moderator of this group because of his alignment with the > > > > dictatorship of the group owner. > > > > > > > > most group members who contribute their time, money and energy > > in > > > > reading charts and sharing knowledge (including me) are now > > afraid > > > > that this moderator is ruthless and he would remail tall only > by > > > > cutting (removing) all other members one by one. > > > > > > > > it fails simple common sense that these two dictators (owner > and > > > > moderator) have forgotten the very existence of an option for > > them > > > > of putting an erring member under moderation so that all his > bad > > > > mails will be rejected and only good mails will be approved. > > that > > > > way also they can convey the message to the member that all his > > bad > > > > mails would not find place in this group. sending volumes of > > > > justification for removing a member outrightly SECOND TIME IN > AS > > > > MANY MONTHS is a confirmation of the dictatorial functioning. > > > > > > > > the owner publicly exhibiting that he will not remove the ban > on > > > > bhaskarji even if 100 people ask for it because he respects the > > > > moderator and THINKS that the moderator has done this activity > > > after > > > > much thought and leaving 100% in the hands of one moderator > > suggest > > > > that he is throwing the ball of power to remove or impose ban > > only > > > > in the hands of the moderator. this way the owner is directly > > > > daring the members to ask ashutoshji and not him when he is > > cleary > > > > exhibiting that he will not take decision or review a decision > > on > > > > his own and that this group is now under the iron grip of > > asutoshji > > > > and not tanvirji. > > > > > > > > hence let ashutoshji run this group with his iron hand and > > please > > > > his owner. but the message is clear. all contributing > members, > > > > beware. you can be removed anytime without intimation and even > > if > > > > hundred members ask for your reinstatement, all you get is > > volumes > > > > of justfication of autocratic dictatorship. > > > > > > > > HERE IS THE HYPOCRICY. THE GROUP OWNER SAYS HE LIKES A > > PROCEDURAL > > > > BAN. HE LIKES TO INFORM THE GROUP ABOUT THE BAN IF AND WHEN HE > > > > BANS. BUT IF HIS MODERATOR DOES NOT DO THESE AND DO AS PER HIS > > OWN > > > > LIKING, THE OWNER ONLY RESPECTS THE MODERATOR HELPLESSLY > BECAUSE > > > THE > > > > OWNER IS CONVEYING A MESSAGE THAT THIS MODERATOR (ASHUOTHJI) IS > > > MORE > > > > POWERFUL THAN THE OWNER AND THE OWNER WILL NOT OBJECT TO > > > ASUTOSHJI'S > > > > DICTATORSHIP EVEN IF IT IS NOT TO THE LIKING OF THE OWNER. > > > > > > > > in the last two odd years, i wrote thousand times that this > > group > > > is > > > > most democratic and complimented but the owner is proving > > otherwise > > > > because he is supporting a dictator as moderator even when the > > > > moderator does things which are not to the liking of the owner. > > > > > > > > this is my last mail on this dictatorial moderator and the 100% > > all > > > > out open support of the owner to this moderator as it is > members > > > who > > > > constitute this group and not one owner and one moderator and > > > > majority of the members are interested in continuing to get > into > > > > reading of charts and sharing of knowledge and put an end to > > this > > > > dictatorial authority with which active contributing members > are > > > > removed ony by one. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , "R Satish" > > > > <rsatish1942@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daer Tanvir, > > > > > > > > > > I have decided not to participate in the so > > called > > > > > poll. If only 50 people respond what decision are you going > to > > > > take. > > > > > It would be a travesty of norms to have a miniscule group in > > the > > > > > polls decide without knowing the full picture. > > > > > > > > > > I think you should allow emotions to cool down > > > > first, > > > > > restore a balance.A decision has been taken, which in any > case > > is > > > > > not for eternity. Review after some days.Where is the hassle? > > > > > > > > > > Creating pressure groups will open a pandoras > > box. > > > I > > > > > have left some groups myself where I did not agree with the > > tenor > > > > of > > > > > discussions.Democracy provides for this action. > > > > > > > > > > It has happened in some , when a > > split > > > > > took place,a breakaway group was formed and which the > > > > permits > > > > > forming . > > > > > > > > > > There are so many alernatives available. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > > > <tanweera@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not set the option for revealing voter identity so > > that > > > > > people > > > > > > can feel free to vote and whatever they feel can be > > reflected. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this situation no one can see who voted for whom, not > > even I. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I did not make any mistake making Ashutosh Ji a > > > > > moderator. > > > > > > Still the option was kept as some of them raised the > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > The poll will end about 2-4 days later. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem > > solving > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > > > <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tanveer ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poll can be configured to see - who has voted for > > which > > > > > > option; and when results are announced - that is often > > > disclosed > > > > > as > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since, you have raised a sensitive issue regarding > > > > continuation > > > > > of > > > > > > Ashutosh as moderator - How can anyone vote freely, when > > such > > > > > > results (with member name) is known the moderator himself > > (or > > > > when > > > > > > results are announced). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The poll may not be holding confidentiality of vote for > > each > > > > > > member's inclination. and under the circumstances, needs > > > > assurance > > > > > > from you, as to who will have access to the results !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaun rota hai kisi aur ki khatir e dost, sabko apni hi > > kisi > > > > baat > > > > > > pe rona aaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tanweera@ > > > > > > > > Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:34:02 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The poll > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As there are a lot of discussions, opinions etc. about > > this > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > > ban with most of the people going against the ban. I > > want > > > to > > > > > know > > > > > > > > what the majority says. Please voice your opinion > > freely. I > > > > am > > > > > a > > > > > > > > believer of democracy, most of the times I must add. > > (But I > > > > > know > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > admit that sometimes autocracy is needed, too.) Anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally feel that Bhaskar Ji's comment was > > > > irresponsible > > > > > and > > > > > > > > beyond general norms of courtesy. And if I were there I > > > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > at least put him on moderation or perhaps I would ask > > him to > > > > > > > > apologize and if he did not then perhaps ban him. The > > only > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > that supports him is his great contributions, there is > > no > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > about him. And we all are grateful to him for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However we must also rememeber, as I always say, doing > > even > > > > > > hundred > > > > > > > > good deads do not permit one to do one evil. I may feed > > a > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > poor person to the limit of his stomach but does it > > REALLY > > > > > > entitle > > > > > > > > me to beat him, or to insult him, for the cost of > > feeding? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we are to respect, and be greatful to Bhaskar Ji for > > his > > > > > > > > contributions, then we must same time also voice > against > > > the > > > > > > biased > > > > > > > > comments that he has made. ONLY THAT IS JUSTICE. I > > > > personally > > > > > was > > > > > > > > very frustrated by his biased comments and we cannot > > expect > > > > > this > > > > > > > > from a matured, wise, kind person who does good to > needy > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Esp. on this international board where people from all > > over > > > > the > > > > > > > > world gather. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was informed by Ashutosh Ji that even though Bhaskar > > Ji > > > > was > > > > > > argued > > > > > > > > with about his mean (Yes, I would say so.) comments he > > > > > continued > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > stick to it and always supported his earlier statement. > > > > > NOTHING > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be more frustrating than this, when someone refuses to > > > > accept > > > > > his > > > > > > > > mistake. To err is human being and to accept mistake is > > the > > > > > > > > greatness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even though he was banned by Ashutosh Ji without a > > warning > > > or > > > > > > > > precaution BUT THEN Ashutosh Ji is correct about his > > > > statement > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > as Bhaskar Ji kept sticking to his comments, what is > the > > > > point > > > > > of > > > > > > > > giving him another warning. He already refuses to admit > > his > > > > > > mistake. > > > > > > > > Right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still, people have different defition of justice and > > > > different > > > > > > > > styles of judgement, and that is why this poll is for, > > to > > > > know > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you think. Because each of the members of JR is a part > > of > > > > it, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > they all are equally important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being a part of JR family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > > > > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > > (Jyotish) > > > > > > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem > > > solving > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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