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Dear Bharat Ji

 

I fail to understand the reason behind yourself congratulating

me!!!.Because you have contradicted whatever i have written.

 

First of all -i have said Pure Bodha or Consciousness is Non dual.This

is the Realization which Yogis had.I would like to have this too.Also

i understand that,saying I am HIM and perceving so are different from

Realizing it.

 

Now please tell me whether mind is part of body or not?If yes who is

getting liberation ?Mind?

 

Identifying oneself with body and mind is duality so who is

identiying?Who is having the false apprehension?

 

Mind is an instrument like body.Instrument does not need liberation.It

is actually a two way process.Mind needs jeevatma to function and

jeevatma falsely identifies itself with the very mind and body which

are running because of it.

 

This two way process is extolled by sages as ''Paraspara Ashrayathwa

of mind and Atma''.

 

Atma following mind has Pramanas to support.It does not mean atma is

standing up and going somewhere.It is pointing to the Manovyaparas.

 

Please understand that duality is for the jivatma under the influence

of Maya.Maya is at his Will.It is his desire.Division is a phenomenon

like cell division.This is at his will.Though he is undivided there is

and expansive division with no change happening to his nature.

 

Dwaita bhava is for whom?How is bhava possile?

 

Do you beleive in rebirth?What happens to jivatma and mind after

death?Is it possible to have two souls in a body -say an extra

duratma?Have you ever heard of a soul conversing to another living

being?Sidhas can listen to the words of soul and i know such a person

very well.I was sitting next to Him while he was receiving such a

signal from another soul sitting nearby.

 

I request other members to help Bharat ji as it is difficult for me.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

mind.groups.com, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Pradeep & Sri Lakshmi

>

> Sri Pradeep - Today you have written a nice piece with proper

understanding

> and please accept my best wishes for your further learning, away

from ego

> and knowledge upmanship.

>

> A few points though,

>

> Bodha trapped in the cage of body,identifies itself as a seperate

> entity ,resulting in Duality.

> Body itself lies within the Consciousness, therefore Atma is never

trapped.

> It is foreover free. When the mind misinterprets itself as an

individual,

> the duality rises. So keep the understanding that Consciousness is never

> trapped and can never be trapped. This is important. Therefore,

> consciousness cannot be called as a "cause" for duality.

>

> It is then quite a journey for the soul before it frees from all karma

> bandhas.Thus it is the ''Jivatma- ie Atma under the influence of

> Maya'' - which is having dual feeling - nobody else.Mind,Indiryas and

> Vishayas facilitates this dual feeling

> Atman is never influenced by Maya. It never was and never will be. It is

> beyond Maya and time. This is evident from the Mahavakya - "Atman is

> Brahman". Jeevatma refers to an individual with a mistaken

identity. One

> who considers his/her Self to be different from the other. This is

evidently

> is mistake. If you take the understanding that Maya influences the

Atman,

> then, you are suggesting the existence of Maya separate from Atman.

This is

> clearly untrue. The duality comes from the misapprehension, whereas

sleep

> comes from the non-apprehension.

>

> Maya is at the will of HIM. As long as jivatma follows the mind(means

> unaware of its real nature and

> identifying itself with mental perceptions)there is a seperate

> identity.This false feeling of jivatma is Aham.Detachment is about

> stopping this ''i follow you'' business

> Maya is not a will of Brahman. If it were a will, then it would be a

desire

> on the part of Brahman.And Brahman has no desires. Maya is neither

the Truth

> and nor the Untruth. It has no separate existence other than Brahman. It

> only refers to a self delusion in absence of knowledge. Again Maya

is said

> to express only for those who are not the knowers of the Truth. For

the Self

> Realized, there isn't any Maya.

>

> Jivatma does not follow anyone. Jivatma refers to the mistaken self and

> therefore, refers to the mind too. A better statement would be that

when the

> mind stops following the senses and looks at its very source, it is

> detachment.

>

> Ego is a separative thought. The fact that one is an individual and

think

> himself/herself to be different from others, then ego is said to be

present.

> Being a limited individual we feel constricted within as our true

nature is

> indivisible Brahman. The Ego is born out of misapprehension of the

Reality.

> The misapprehension is there, because of the non-apprehension of the

> Reality. In other words, the decision and thought that "I am an

individual

> separate from others" is a faulty decision based on ignorance of my true

> nature.

>

> Vedas, especially the Upanishads contained therein, are a pramana to

make us

> realize the true nature of the Self.

>

> Not going further, when we say there is Misapprehension, it is a "graha"

> seizing our understanding to make us believe that we are limited beings.

> There is a role of every graha except Sun in strengthening this

> misapprehension. Through Guru Kripa and Prabhu Kripa, the very role

of each

> graha can be used to understand the misapprehension and to break it.

This

> activity is known as Purushartha. Purushartha reveals the illusion of

> destiny. It makes us realize that destiny is not real but our own past

> purushartha. Sri Vashishta explains this very well in Yoga

Vashistha. This

> knowledge makes one aware of one's innate nature and does not make

oneself a

> slave of destiny. Destiny or Time/Space/Causation or Kala is the

illusion.

> The Illusion is that of Rahu. It borrows the qualities of Brahman

(endless,

> infinite) to "show" as endless time and space. Within this endless

time, it

> creates the past, present and future and engages the mind in the

past and

> the future. Within the space, it creates the dimensions and creates

> boundaries for the body and deludes to identify with the body. This

is the

> original deception of Rahu and therefore, the cause of feeling of

> limitedness and therefore of Ego.

>

> The grahan of the Surya, is grahan of our understanding in mistakenly

> believing ourselves to the limited beings. This is the reason Rahu

does not

> have light, it only casts shadow! This grahan is also seen in

Surya's light

> which shows that the light of consciousness helps us understand that our

> understanding is under a grahan and it can come out of it through

> discrimination in light of the Vedas.

>

>

> Furthermore, I do not know what Sri Visti has said in his article

and cannot

> comment upon the same. I hope my words do not cause any discomfort

to anyone

> for that is not my intention.

>

> I hope the above comments help.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On 9/22/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi ji

> >

> > As promised please find my understanding.Pure Bodha or Consciousness

> > is NON Dual.

> >

> > Now -

> >

> > 1)Why is Mukthi or liberation needed? 2)Is somebody trapped? 3)If yes

> > who is this ''party -misconcept'' needing liberation 4)Where is the

> > same trapped 5)What is the effect of this trap?

> >

> >

> > Bodha trapped in the cage of body,identifies itself as a seperate

> > entity ,resulting in Duality.Objects in Prakrithi and similarly every

> > body can be treated as ''Mirrors''.It is the same bodha, but, falling

> > on different mirrors.Hence it is called Reflection.Since bodha is

> > having chetana it can enliven the body through the inherent

> > Shakthi.From thereon we call him jeevatma and is the provider of

> > necessary life force for executing Karmas.Interestingly it is these

> > very Karmas that sustains the trap!!.

> >

> > It is then quite a journey for the soul before it frees from all karma

> > bandhas.Thus it is the ''Jivatma- ie Atma under the influence of

> > Maya'' - which is having dual feeling - nobody else.Mind,Indiryas and

> > Vishayas facilitates this dual feeling.Maya is at the will of HIM.As

> > long as jivatma follows the mind(means unaware of its real nature and

> > identifying itself with mental perceptions)there is a seperate

> > identity.This false feeling of jivatma is Aham.Detachment is about

> > stopping this ''i follow you'' business.As Chandrashekhar ji has said

> > moving away and observing the mind,in a detached fashion will solve

> > all the puzzles.Atma is the only party capable of taming the mind -if

> > and only if it understands that ''i'' am not ''mind,this body or

> > name''.Beginning of spiritual learning is this knowledge.Realization

> > is TOTAL merger.

> > When we ask who am i,who am i,whom am i - where do we reach?.It was

> > ofcourse the dual feeling(i) for the undivided part of the NON dUAL!!!

> >

> >

> > This Jeevatma is not Rahu.I feel now it is clear why AtmaKaraka is the

> > Karaka for Self.I request Chandrashekhar ji to correct me.Rahu is

> > neither the Pride.Pride is always for the self because of

> > attachments,false identification,ignorance.Rahu is that intoxicating

> > agent,which makes us attached to Vishayas and Sukhas or in other words

> > earthly attachment.

> > It is not a small role as you say.It is acting as a

> > catalyst(intoxication) for Karma bandhas which is necessary for

> > learning.Initially we started the discussion with pride as Rahu and

> > now you have safely anchored on to ego as in ''seperate identity and

> > giving Rahu a bigger role:-).Rahu is not ''Í'''.It is also the

> > reversing agent.Why Simha rashi has nature ''Garvadhikya'' should also

> > be clear.Surya is the subtle core,but jivatma has false conceptions

> > until realization.

> >

> > Now would you think Vistiji may correct his article.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > <%40>,

> > "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I also miss a lot of mails quite often, so it doesn't surprise me.

> > >

> > > Coming to the comment about "grey area"...well it's supposed to make

> > > you laugh, and i myself was laughing when i wrote it:--))Infact, i

> > > am hardly ever serious in life and you can find me laughing at the

> > > drop of a hat!

> > >

> > > As i said in my other mail, I will await your feedback and the

> > > possible corrections you may suggest in my approach/understanding.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

<%40>,

> > "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for this delay.I do not know how i have missed this

> > > > mail.Prafullajis reply made me see this!!.How can i miss this:)).

> > > >

> > > > Your mail is discussing a very serious issue called- what

> > > > is ''aham'' and it needs to be explained in detail(if i am able to

> > > > explain properly) and will do it later.Search - on who is aham is

> > > > well explained in your mail.

> > > >

> > > > But to be honest your statement Rahu is this ''aham'' as it is a

> > > > GREY AREA'' ,did make me laugh.why?

> > > >

> > > > As i have said before, Rahu is considered as a ''VazhiChenda''(a

> > > > road side drum ,all can bang).Similarly is this fair to lean all

> > > bad

> > > > things and grey areas on Rahu!!.I will explain the meaning of Mada

> > > > in another mail,possibly ending our debates,supporting

> > > > Chandrashekhar jis view and Visti ji may correct his article if he

> > > > wish.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

<%40>,

> > "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > As I promised yesterday, i am jotting down my nascent, quite

> > > > recent

> > > > > (:--)) and perhaps highly confused understanding of "aham" and

> > > > hope

> > > > > for corrections, especially from respected Ranjanji and Prafulla

> > > > ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > As you have asked, who is "I" and what is "I", that gives rise

> > > to

> > > > > actions/reactions. It is not the body, because as the Chandala

> > > > said

> > > > > to Shankara, body is jada and can not act on its own. Is it

> > > soul,

> > > > > but the Soul is actionless. so, aham can neither be body nor the

> > > > > soul.

> > > > >

> > > > > "aham" is the inherent quality/ability of a being, on which

> > > basis

> > > > it

> > > > > is distiguished/reckoned separate from others. For example, to

> > > > name

> > > > > a few, Ocean /Water has the quality of ebb & flow, agni has the

> > > > > ability to burn, birds have the capacity to fly etc. These basic

> > > > > abilities distinguish them from others and give them an

> > > > > distinctive/individual identity (aham).

> > > > >

> > > > > Among birds also there must be certain features peculiar to

> > > > certain

> > > > > species which set them apart from others. So is the case with

> > > > > animals and humans. Infact, it is the case with all the

> > > creation,

> > > > > which is slotted into various categories, though it's all

> > > emanated

> > > > > from the same seed/beeja. It's the bhedabhraanthi roopa jnaanam.

> > > > >

> > > > > Extending the same argument, perhaps it's the case with the

> > > > > different organs of the body too. They all have their appointed

> > > > > abilities which can not be swapped with others. Brain has the

> > > > > ability to coordinate all the processes happening in the body,

> > > > while

> > > > > legs have the ability to transport the body. Neither can do the

> > > > > other's job and each has it's own place and importance.

> > > > >

> > > > > If legs accuse the "brain" of aristocracy/inflated ego because

> > > it

> > > > > has been accorded a higher/more prominent place in the body, is

> > > it

> > > > > correct/fair? Suppose all the organs in the body want to control

> > > > the

> > > > > processes in the body, in the name of "samabhavana", will the

> > > body

> > > > > be able to function at all? The reverse also holds good:--))

> > > > >

> > > > > God has given all beings a distinctive "talent"/identity (ego),

> > > > and

> > > > > how does this get manifested? It's through Shakti (ahanta),

> > > which

> > > > is

> > > > > a transforming/interactive aspect of Brahman, different species

> > > > are

> > > > > able to demonstrate/maintain their respective identities.

> > > > >

> > > > > But when we forget that we are part of the Supreme Soul, and

> > > > mistake

> > > > > this temporary "address" as the real/permanent thing, the

> > > problems

> > > > > crop up, and as you said, various attachments / aberrations seep

> > > > in.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then is the time for us to step on this illusion and push it

> > > down

> > > > > (however good it may be for material life), ruthlessly pierce

> > > the

> > > > > eye of attachment, so that the "jeeva" can understand that he's

> > > in

> > > > > the true sense "Trivikrama"!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu represents this "aham" because

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)it's a grey area:--))

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)it's the same principle, which is manifested differently in

> > > > > different beings, according to their species/categories.

> > > Similarly

> > > > > Rahu takes on the characteristics of the house lords/conjoined

> > > > > planets, and gives different results.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3)Also, Rahu represents "head" (including face, please!) which

> > > > > represents the main "identity" & ability of a person.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure i have missed out on many things. Hope i made at least

> > > > > some sense:--))

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > It is ''mine'', is a dual feeling - Lord tells Arjuna -

> > > nothing

> > > > > > belongs

> > > > > > > to you!!. As long as a feeling of mine is present, there

is a

> > > > > > > separate, identity involved. This separate ''i'' is called

> > > EGO

> > > > or

> > > > > > > Ahamkar.This separate identity brings in Pride. For example

> > > a

> > > > > King

> > > > > > > might think ''i'' am strong, ''my'' army, 'my' wealth etc

> > > > > > resulting in

> > > > > > > Pride.Rahu is neither this ''i''(Ego) nor the Pride.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then who is ''i'' & who is Rahu?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Brahman is the base.Maya for Brahman is Mind for

> > > Atman.Though

> > > > > > Atman is

> > > > > > > the same as Brahman,due to our dual feeling and for the

> > > > purpose

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > knowing who we are -we will assume it as an undivided but

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Brahman.It is the effect of Maya/Mind.i happens due to

> > > > > > superimposition

> > > > > > > of atman and mind(internal organ) in both ways as per

> > > > Sankara.The

> > > > > > > jeevatma represented by Sun happening to be the first entry

> > > as

> > > > > far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > humanbeing is considered is viewed as a doer by mind.Atma

> > > as

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > follows mind resulting in a cycle.The resulting dual feeling

> > > of

> > > > > > > me/mine is ''í''.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As long as we are within the clutches of Time, we have Death

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Birth.KalaSarpam is that factor(formed through contact

> > > between

> > > > > > > atma/mana padhas(luni/solar paths) w.r to earth) making us

> > > > > clutch

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > to TIME/SPACE.This clutch results in attachment.Thus

> > > > > intoxication

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > nothing but a kind of addiction,magnetic pull which is

> > > > enhancing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > already present asscoiation with vishayas.Rahu is just

> > > keeping

> > > > > > > together the already manifested superimposition

> > > (Atma/Mind).The

> > > > > > level

> > > > > > > of Unmada depends on the state of mind or in astrology the

> > > > > > strength of

> > > > > > > moon and further associations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu enhancing(attachment) the significations of Venus does

> > > > not

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > it a Venus!!!!.Similarly jeevatma is already in a cage(not

> > > > > because

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > Rahu).Rahu is not jeevatma or ''I''.Neither before

> > > realization

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > > after, Rahu is ''I''.After realization ,jeevatma identifies

> > > > > itself

> > > > > > > with the Supreme(unsullied).Rahu release the clutch or in

> > > > other

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > the gear is in neutral:-).Shankara burns Kamadeva.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Detachment is a reversal and hence sage says one should

> > > think

> > > > of

> > > > > > feet

> > > > > > > through Meena/Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus we have tried to understand what is Rahu,what is

> > > > EGO ,what

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > pride.They are three different entities.Now please tell me

> > > > what

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > Mada? - Is it 'I', Is it Pride or Is it - Intoxicated

> > > illusion

> > > > > in

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > context?.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In reality there is only Brahman.But ignorance due to maya

> > > > (which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the imagination of lord(Saguna Roopa) surrounding him(but

> > > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > > him),brings in all these.Rahu as Kaala Sarpam acts as a

> > > > catalyst

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > clutch attaching one to earth -linking Time and space.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If we have no thoughts in our mind and if the mind is still

> > > (if

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > possible) then it is pindanda roopa of nirgun

brahman.Kind of

> > > > > > > Samadhi.When realization happens one reailizes who he is.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus if think of creation - When imagination arise space is

> > > > > created

> > > > > > > and time is elapsed(kala sarpam comes into picture).Brahman

> > > and

> > > > > > > Universe is similar.This is my humble beginning towards

> > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > the sublime and far TRUTH.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thinking in retrospect, as I have written in the mail to

> > > > > > > > Chandrasekhar ji, perhaps we are wrong in interpreting

> > > > > > that "ego" is

> > > > > > > > found only in some people. If we interpret

> > > dispassionately,

> > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > Kalyan Varma has been RIGHTLY saying all along that ego (

> > > > > > necessary

> > > > > > > > for perpetuation of Creation) is present in every being,

> > > as

> > > > > much

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > soul/mind or happiness/grief are present, yet I don't find

> > > > us

> > > > > > > > fighting about them. we need to accept that I have ego,

> > > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > ego, chandrasekhar ji has ego...all of us have it, perhaps

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > different degrees.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How wrong was I to think that "ego" is peculiar only to

> > > some

> > > > > > > > people!! How wrong was i to think that we are

> > > > > exceptions! "Ego"

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > part of the natural state of every individual...like the

> > > > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > > residing in mooladhara of every one.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Only a blessed few succeed in reversing this ego, in

> > > > > dissolving

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > separateness. They cross this Vishnu Maaya and reach a

> > > state

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Realization.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for helping me reach this humbling yet exhilerating

> > > > > > > > understanding. I have truly learnt something today.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Only Kalyan Varma is mentioning.Kalyan Varma included

> > > > > > > > > > the illusionary factor which can catalyse all of the

> > > > above

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > in dukham.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I must remind you that The Kalyana Varma

> > > > reference

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > chosen by me. It was chosen by Chandrasekhar ji and

> > > > > certified

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > impeccable.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you tell me if any other astro-book says that Saturn

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > contrary results (except in 8th house)? I do not recall

> > > > > > > > > Parashara/Varahamihira saying it. If you can find it,

> > > > please

> > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I must honestly say that Parashara/Varahamihira do not

> > > say

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > about Rahu representing "mada". But have they explicitly

> > > > > said

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > thing about Sun having "ego" either? Were we not drawing

> > > > > > > > convoluted

> > > > > > > > > conclusions then?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Should we quote a book when it suits us and dump it when

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > doesn't?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep, please do not think that I am championing

> > > either

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > Rahu. I am sure you have read the mail where I said that

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > also capable of giving great spirituality when involved

> > > in

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > yogas. Infact what I have been fighting for all these

> > > days

> > > > > is

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > fair treatment of all planets.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thus we have to look for the meaning suiting the

> > > > > context.Why

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > just one among the shad ripus?Why not

> > > > > > lust,kaama,moha,krodha?

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > not any of these.He makes us have all these.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: You are very correct. Rahu is the generator

> > > > of "I"-

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > false

> > > > > > > > > feeling as a separate entity, which is the basis of ego

> > > > (as

> > > > > > > > > defined/argued by you in the earlier mails). This

> > > feeling

> > > > is

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > the basis of the shadripus which are based on one

> > > > individual

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > different from other.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun called as Atma karaka

> > > > > > > > > > is karaka for lagna in astrology.Am i wrong? Once he

> > > > > enters

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > he is trapped and just wanders wherever the mind is

> > > > > > > > taking ,until

> > > > > > > > > self

> > > > > > > > > > realization.Am i wrong?What is BHagavatham mentioning

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > soul and its plight.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu does not enter on its own nor is it a feeling

> > > > > > of ''I''.It

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > our assumption.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Since we are talking about astrology, can you

> > > > tell

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > why "kumbha" (pindanda)has been given the dual lordship

> > > by

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > and Rahu? Why does birth take place? Because of karma

> > > > > (Saturn)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > unsatisfied kaama (Rahu) or because of aatma? If birth

> > > > takes

> > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > > because of aatma, why should Aatma be unhappy or feel

> > > > > trapped

> > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > body? I request you to reflect on these and answer.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why is Rahu called "Kaala sarpam" and represents Time?

> > > > Does

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > day/night? does he cause seasons? Then why? It's because

> > > > he

> > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > > the interminable birth cycle.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > According to your own/Chandrasekhar ji's previous e-

> > > > > > mails, "ego"

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a false feeling of differentiation. Now you yourself

> > > have

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > that " Rahu the intoxication or illusion surrounding us

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > smoky/obscurant idea".

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I agree with all that you say. Now putting all this

> > > > > together,

> > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > tell me if Rahu does not give a

> > > > illusiory/intoxicated/false

> > > > > > idea

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > oneself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Btw, I really appreciate the way you research and i

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > way you feel about Rahu. I again reiterate that I have

> > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > against Rahu...my own Rahu dasa is excellent and is

> > > > bringing

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > immense spiritual benefits, like the present

discussion:-

> > > -

> > > > ))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji & Pradeep ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I recollect writing in my previous e-mails, that the

> > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Saravali talks about the inner qualities of an

> > > > > > > > > > > individual/kalapurusha. Does the word "mada" imply

> > > > > > > > intoxication

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > an inner quality? Does the word "intoxication"

> > > belong

> > > > in

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > context, in that group?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not think either of you responded to that.

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > missed

> > > > > > > > > > > it out in the avalanche of e-mails:--))

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can i have your response(s) please?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pride is different from ego. Like it or not Mada

> > > > does

> > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > intoxication

> > > > > > > > > > > > or lust. The Kama that is referred to relates to

> > > > > kaamana

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > > > > desires for things possessed by others. That is

> > > what

> > > > > > Asteya,

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yamas of Hatha yogas refer to.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We are talking about auspiciousness or other wise

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dormant

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > awakened Kundalini. As I said all scriptures can

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > one wants to do that. But that does not serve any

> > > > > > purpose. I

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > go into what exactly is meant by Vidya and Avidya

> > > > > > related to

> > > > > > > > > Maa.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > not yet seen any Pramana, in the form of a shloka,

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > proposition that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > awakened

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini is auspicious so far. I have already

> > > > posted

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > generation has been taught to accept an argument,

> > > so

> > > > I

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > repeat

> > > > > > > > > > > > it here.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But I will not resort to conjectures and would

> > > like

> > > > to

> > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rudrayamala tantra about the swarUpa of dormant

> > > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > Being

> > > > > > > > > > > > graduate in sanskrit, I am sure I will not have to

> > > > > > translate

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > for you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you must have some quote to support your

> > > > > > > > contention.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > like to see the shloka, as against conjectures, so

> > > > > that

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > improve

> > > > > > > > > > > > upon my knowledge of the swarupaa of Kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand your reluctance to support your

> > > > > > > > propositions

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > suitable pramanas. I am sorry if I have hurt you

> > > by

> > > > > > pointing

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > inconsistency in the way you treated Surya and

> > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > combinations

> > > > > > > > > > > in two

> > > > > > > > > > > > different chart as stand out combinations only.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I had no intention to cause any hurt to you and if

> > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > done

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > inadvertently I crave your pardon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger),

> > > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and

> > > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

> > > > among

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini"

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > facets. As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

> > > > > routed

> > > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the

> > > > same?

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use,

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > represented

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati,

> > > > wisdom

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > power, is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti

> > > is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

> > > > krura.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > results, if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You

> > > can

> > > > > > refer to

> > > > > > > > > all my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning

> > > or

> > > > > > losing an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case,

> > > I

> > > > > see

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > purpose in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age

> > > are

> > > > > > > > operating

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not

> > > die

> > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > > biography you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

> > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

> > > > > know

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do

> > > not

> > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > analysis of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions

> > > are

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The

> > > > two

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an

> > > event

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you

> > > have

> > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read

> > > > my

> > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

> > > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > beneficent as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the

> > > > topic,

> > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji

> > > lived,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > > that it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > looking

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that

> > > he

> > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > away in

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-

> > > 27

> > > > > > (4:48:54

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > > > > > (10:43:55

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-

> > > 06

> > > > > > (2:29:24

> > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> > > > > (1:27:03

> > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is

> > > > the

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in

> > > > the

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

> > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting

> > > 7th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th

> > > > house?

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he

> > > > created

> > > > > > > > > wherever he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the

> > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in

> > > the

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think

> > > the

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > > on the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already

> > > stated

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to

> > > great

> > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of

> > > > what

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > (AK) &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart,

> > > > rahu

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all

> > > of

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > point to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house

> > > and

> > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect,

> > > if

> > > > > at

> > > > > > all,

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > > > > > (12:04:47

> > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > > > > > (12:18:02

> > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-

> > > 14

> > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think

> > > > > their

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > willed the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the

> > > > above

> > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in

> > > > my

> > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong

> > > as

> > > > a

> > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even

> > > when

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> > > > > smritam

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please

> > > go

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and

> > > > that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its

> > > soft

> > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics

> > > giving

> > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > it,

> > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine

> > > > they

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all

> > > > with

> > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of

> > > > India

> > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave

> > > us

> > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

> > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to

> > > > accept

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

> > > > Raman,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the

> > > shloka

> > > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri

> > > B.V.

> > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

> > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> > > > disagree

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> > > > contrary

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I

> > > > find

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor

> > > > that

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna

> > > and

> > > > > > mars in

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th

house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted

> > > Saturn

> > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi,

> > > while

> > > > > > > > > debilitated in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to

> > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

> > > > > that

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > beneficial

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > > old,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

> > > > > notice

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> > > > difference

> > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu

> > > is

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good,

> > > > then

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart

> > > because

> > > > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak,

> > > > give

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

> > > > > planets,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> > > > combust

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

> > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

> > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> > > > shadbala

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you

> > > to

> > > > > read

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to

> > > learn

> > > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

> > > > > Deceit

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > borne

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from

> > > > 8th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

> > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 10

> > > > > > > > > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So,

> > > the

> > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> > > resides

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > south

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > digbala

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> > > referred

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma

> > > > and

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <JyotishGrou p%

> > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

> > > > results

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

> > > > time.

> > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age

> > > of

> > > > 9

> > > > > or

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you

> > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction,

> > > as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its

> > > dasha

> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because

> > > I

> > > > > say

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> > > conjunct

> > > > a

> > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of

> > > Artha

> > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> > > > > > claimed to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th)

> > > > and

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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