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A visitor: "The Supreme Spirit is Real. The world is illusion," is

the stock phrase of Sri Sankaracharya. Yet others say,

"The world is reality." Which is true?

 

Ramana: Both statements are true. They refer to different stages of

development and are spoken from different points of view.

 

The aspirant starts with the definition, that which is real exists always; then he eliminates the world as unreal because it is

changing. It cannot be real; "not this, not this!" The seekers ultimately reaches the Self and there finds unity as the prevailing

note. Then, that which was originally rejected as being

unreal is found to be part of the unity. Being absorbed in the Reality, the world also is Real.

There is only being in Self-Realization, and

nothing but being.

 

 

Nisargadatta: There is no individual except

through identification with the body. The sense of time, or duration, or the

event happening in time, all that can come about only if there is consciousness.

 

If there is no consciousness, do you have the sense of time?

 

There is the wick and there is the fuel; only then can the light be there.

 

So light depends on the duration of the fuel. That is how the time factor comes

in. The sense of presence, this consciousness, is everything. So find out how

that arises and how long it is going to last.

 

Just as the light will remain

only as long as there is fuel for it, so this consciousness will last only so

long as this fuel is there, fuel being the body, which is mode of the five

elements which are an accumulation of food.

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Therefore this consciousness will depend

on how long the body is there.

 

Even this consciousness is not everything and it

is not going to last for all time. Find out how this consciousness has arisen,

the source of the consciousness

 

 

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Era

 

distinction between Consciousness & Awareness

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[Guest guest]

These are interesting quotes. The last one relates to a verse from the Gita

that I posted on Sunday. But the great souls agree that after the

realization of Brahman, Self, God that it becomes known that the Self is the

source of all and has become all this.

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of Era Molnar

Monday, September 25, 2006 10:10 PM

 

nothing but being..

 

 

 

 

A visitor: "The Supreme Spirit is Real. The world is illusion," is

the stock phrase of Sri Sankaracharya. Yet others say,

"The world is reality." Which is true?

 

Ramana: Both statements are true. They refer to different stages of

development and are spoken from different points of view.

 

The aspirant starts with the definition, that which is real exists always;

then he eliminates the world as unreal because it is

changing. It cannot be real; "not this, not this!" The seekers ultimately

reaches the Self and there finds unity as the prevailing

note. Then, that which was originally rejected as being unreal is found to

be part of the unity. Being absorbed in the Reality, the world also is Real.

 

There is only being in Self-Realization, and nothing but being.

 

 

 

 

 

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>From the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:

 

Ramakrishna: ".During the struggle one should follow the method of

discrimination-'Not this, not this'-and direct the whole mind to God. But

the state of perfection is quite different. After reaching God one

reaffirms what formerly one denied. To extract butter you must separate it

from the buttermilk. Then you discover that butter and buttermilk are

intrinsically related to one another. They belong to the same stuff. The

butter is not essentially different from the buttermilk, not the buttermilk

essentially different from the butter. After realizing God one knows

definitely that it is He who has become everything. In some objects He is

manifested more clearly, and in others less clearly."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta:

 

snip

 

 

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Therefore this consciousness will depend

on how long the body is there.

 

Even this consciousness is not everything and it is not going to last for

all time. Find out how this consciousness has arisen, the source of the

consciousness

 

~~~~~~

Era

 

distinction between Consciousness & Awareness

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In the preceeding quote Nisargadatta is reported to have said:

 

"Even this consciousness is not everything.Find out how this consciouness

has arisen, the source of the consciousness."

 

And once again I offer this quote from the Bhagavad Gita.

 

Quote from the Bhagavad Gita,

 

Chapter 15, verses 17 and 18

 

But there is another being, the Highest, called the Supreme Self, who, as

the Immutable, pervades and sustains the three worlds. As I surpass the

Perishable and as I am higher even than the Imperishable, I am extolled in

the world and in the Vedas as the Supreme Self.

 

 

 

Warm regards,

 

michael