Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Srigurubhyo NamaH Namaste Sadhakas, My knowledge of the Patanjali system is perfunctory. In this post i would like to discuss some points that crystallized in my mind as a result of the recent discussions that went on in this List. Maharshi Patanjali declares in the beginning that the ultimate object of his system of Yoga that essentially centres round 'chitta-vritti- nirodhaH' (effecting the cessation of thought currents), is the establishment of the aspirant in his true Self, 'tadA draShTuH svarUpe avasthAnam'. Now, in Vedanta, the Self, Atma, (non-different from Brahman), is a 'nitya-siddha vastu', that is, It is an ever-existing entity. It is not something that requires to be created afresh. That distinguishes Atma from any other effect that is brought into being with effort. That forms the fundamental difference between 'purusha- tantra' and 'vastu-tantra'. Let me elucidate on these two concepts, in the sequel, in simple terms, so as to form the basis for this discussion: Purusha/kartru tantra: Type A: Supposing I own a plot of vacant land. Thinking of what I can do there, brings up a number of alternatives. I can put up a residential unit. I can build a multi- storeyed apartment complex. A commercial complex.. Or even a Temple, if that is feasible. After considering all these alternatives, I may very well conclude: Taking any of these alternatives will certainly demand my time, attention, energy, etc. Now that I have very less time left, let me concentrate on intense sadhana and leave that land as it is. Thus, we have a situation where anything happening on that land depends on my initiating an action. As of now there is nothing on that land; whatever can come up there has to be a product, an effect, a creation. It depends on me, the purusha, the kartaa. Purusha tantra Type B: This type differs from the above only in one respect; the above is a gross example, this one is a subtle one. Supposing I want to meditate upon Lord Krishna. Now, there is no unique description about Krishna. We have a host of Krishna-s : baby Krishna, Yashodha.nandan Krishna, the Krishna, the companion of other cowherds, then there is the Krishna, the beloved of all the Gopis, Radha-Krishna, GitAcharya Krishna, Krishna the benefactor of the Pandavas, Dwaraka Krishna, the consort of Rukmini and SatyabhAma,. and so on. Now, even if I choose to meditate upon one of these, depending on my special liking, again, there is no unique description of the form of the chosen type. The ornaments, the dress, the facial expression, the hair-style, etc. etc. are all not uniquely defined. So, here we have a situation where I have to `create' an imprint of Krishna on the screen of my mind. Thus, the imprint ultimately depends on me, the purusha, the kartaa. Type V: Vedanta distinguishes Atman/Brahman from the above type(s) and says Brahman is vastu-tantra. It does not depend on the person- purusha for its creation; it is an ever-existing entity, only requiring to be `realized' by me, by activating an appropriate pramANa, instrument of knowledge. Certainly, my realizing this Brahman will not amount to my creating Brahman. Since Brahman is extremely subtle, Vedanta advocates a meditation, practicing which according to the method prescribed by the Shastra and guided by the Guru, I can succeed in realizing It. Vedanta has a number of other upasanas, meditations falling under the type B above with a view to train the mind, making it dwell on objects ranging from the gross to the subtle, to ultimately take up this above vastu-tantra (Type V) meditation. Now, with this background, let us examine the main point of this discussion. Sri Bhaskar ji, in his recent posts, averred that Nirvikalpa Samadhi is essentially that of Patanjali shastra (dvaita shastra) and that NS is a kartru-tantra meditation (see Type B above) and as such is not a valid means to realize the Vedantic Brahman. The question that I have is this: Is the Self that Maharshi Patanjali talks about in the sutra `tadA draShTuH svarUpe avasthAnam'( the realization of and establishment in, is the ultimate goal of his Yoga system,) an `effect' to be created by an effort called some samadhi? To put the question in simple terms: Is the Atma of Patanjali a `product' of some samadhi? Or is it an existing Atma that is to be realized, even in the system of Patanjali? (Note: All this is not to obliterate the essential differences that exist between the siddhAnta of Patanjali and the Aupanishada siddhAnta.) Now, to conclude, despite my unfamiliarity with the system of Patanjali, based on the above lines of thinking, I think I would not be wrong in making this statement, although in the interrogative: It is learnt that the Patanjali system has a number of meditations (samadhis). Are ALL the samadhis spoken of in that system essentially only kartru-tantra (type B) samadhis? Is the pre-eminent aspirant, uttama adhikAri, of that system engaged in `creating' an Atman? I request all the members who participated in the recent discussion to come out with their views. The others who silently watched like Sri Sada ji, Sri Sundar Hattangadi ji, Sri Ramesh Murthy ji are also welcome to come out with their opinions. Everyone may consult the appropriate books so as to make the discussion as authentic as possible. I wish we had Sri Ganeshan Sankararaman with us; he seems to have a fairly thorough knowledge of the Patanjali system. Where are Michael ji and Felipe? Shri Peter too may speak out. Pranams and warm regards to all sadhakas, Subbu Om Tat Sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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