Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 senka wrote: hello please can some one tell me what is chandi? Dear senka ~ by now, I see there is another digest, and, as always, I am behind. So you have probably had many answers to your question, but I still wanted to add my own perspective. I described in a previous post how happy I was to find my Chandi, which by now you surely know is a scripture, the Chandi Path, lovingly translated by Swamiji to be in accordance with our current time and understanding. It never ceases to amaze me how well these translations speak to me, when others do not. Pranams to Swamiji. When I found my Chandi book, I picked Her up; I hugged Her; I kissed Her. This may sound a bit strange, but it was a meeting of old friends. The Path part of Chandi Path means reciting or chanting, so Chandi Path means reciting/chanting the Chandi. Even though by the time I found her, I was late for the Navaratri sankalpa, I started reciting again right away. I will not finish by the end of Navaratri, but I will continue because my relationship with Maa Chandi gives me peace, and I felt embraced in the arms of Ma Durga and all Her Goddesses. So surely someone has told you that the Chandi Path is an ancient scripture and also a system of worship. Like many of the scriptures, Swamiji has lovingly translated, you can use all or part of the Chandi to do puja (worship). Or you can do what I did. When I first got my copy. I read it all the way through, both the Sanskrit and the English. And then I read it again ... I think I read it about five times. The Chandi is full of beauty; it is full of Peace, and it is also a story .... about how Durga and Her band of Goddesses slew the soldiers of the Army of the Great Ego. Chief among these soldiers were Too Much and Too Little, also Self Conceit and Self Deprecation. Yesterday, I had to make an emergency call to my therapist because, the pain of losing my husband is so great that I was doing things I knew were not good for me ... like begging him to stay, or breaking down all the time in front of him. This is Self Deprecation. He told me I had to stop doing that. Then Chandi Maa helps me to stop. How does this magic occur? I can't tell you. You have to discover it for yourself. When I read through the first sections, ahhhhhhhh, I felt protected by Ma Durga and all the Goddesses ~ Saraswati, Kali, Laksmi. Then I got to the section about Peace ... I have an old copy, so giving you the page number would be of no use, and I suppose, if I want to try and participate in future Chandi sankalpas, I need to get a copy of the newest version, so I am on the same page as everyone else. Reading this was healing nectar to my broken heart. It a lso reminded me about when my hubby and I took our long rv trip through New Mexico, looking for a place where we would want to settle. During the trip I was subject to constant outbursts of anger (yelling and screaming). I spent too much time, after these episodes, stumbling around various parts of the southwest, somewhat out of my mind. At one rv park where we stayed, he yelled and screamed so much that I became really frightened. I ran, then fell down the hill we had been standing at the top of and ran into the park office where I hid, shaking, under a table in the corner. The questions people may have about why I would stay with such a person still confuse even me. I grew up with abuse, and my hubby is almost a replica of my father. And, as seems to be the case, it only got worse over time. My family had all stopped speaking to me, so I had no place else to go. I was and am ill, and I felt I had no choice. But the point I want to bring forth is that all the way back then, on our return trip to Oregon, I kept reading and reciting a particular section of the Chandi Path book over and over and over. I also repeated the Durga mantra over and over and over, and that is how I kept my sanity when we went back to get our stuff. Here is a very brief passage from this section (I will just put the English): "Peace in the heavens, Peace on the earth, Peace upwards and permeating the atmosphere; Peace upwards, over on all sides and further, Peace to us, Peace to all vegetation; Peace to all that has form, Peace to all causes and effects; Peace to all existence, and to all intensities of reality including all and everything; Peace be to us..." Of course, I very much related to the "all intensities of reality" part. There are a few more verses to this section, but this is enough to give you an idea. Here is the Durga Mantra, which also helped keep me sane during this trip, and even today, it is the mantra I use most of the time: Om Hrim Srim Dum Durgayai Namaha (If I have not gotten this right, sadhu friends, please put the correct version for senka.) Now Chandi Maa and Chandi Path are helping me cope with the ending of this relationship, and aiding me in behaving, as Swamiji would say, as "a great renunciate." Someone recently posted a website address that has some of the most beautiful pictures of Durga I have ever seen. Here is the link: _http://www.cyberastro.com/durga.htm_ (http://www.cyberastro.com/durga.htm) I would recommend that, as soon as you can, to order a copy of the Chandi Path from the Shree Maa bookstore, and just begin reading, at your own pace. Here is the link: _http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal-4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/96_ (http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal-4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/96) Swamiji always says, (paraphrase): each according to his capacity. For me this is an immense blessing, since I can never keep up and am always behind. But for those who are healthy and have the time, Swamiji and his band of creative sadhus at the Devi Mandir have created all sorts of wonders (video clips on the website, for example), classes you can participate in online or by watching the podcasts from the Mandir. Someone who is at the Mandir can tell you more about these. Discover the wonder of the Chandi. It is too late to be part of the Navaratri sankalpa, but everyone here knows that this little turtle (me) is always behind in every sankalpa. Still I try, and I think there is value in that. And there is great value in making friends with Ma Durga and Chandi Path. Even just telling about it makes me feel happy. Jai Maa , Jai Swamiji ~ Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 you are the first post i read with this description. i am slow and ill health limits my ability to be online at times so i might have missed any other answeres. i am indeed amazed. i had no idea what this all was. so now i see i can purchase this book and learn what chandi is. that is fantastic news. i dont really know who durga is. i studied vaisnavasm, bhakti yoga, hatha yoga, and tibetan buddhism. so thats the limit of my understanding so far. you can well see how truly neophyte i am. we did not learn who the goddess was. what her forms are and what she gives for us. i feel i am entering a new phase of life. finally accepting my state of physical health and life circumstances. so that frees me up to learn and open my mind and heart. i know what it is to be with some one and long for their presence even though they may be abusive. my husband was very violent and i had to put him in jail when he tried to murder my oldest daughter. it was hard to do as i loved him and was loyal. but he was dangerous. many years later i still missed him. he was my guru. but as time went on i seemed to find a self worth. and for me a part of this was in making a decision not to remarry or find a partner. so i focused on family and spirit. my physical health deteriorated while my mental health became peaceful. now i find i am more open to the universe. your explanation and descriptions of your feelings when you found your chandi are very moving. i am analytical by nature. aloof. so warmth and love are not easy. and through these kinds of descriptions my heart opens. i am always humbled, and amazed by the depth and brilliance of the people in this group. i feel it is a gift from the Gurus. but i am much to fallen to actually know anything. in gratitude senka nierika (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: senka wrote: hello please can some one tell me what is chandi? Dear senka ~ by now, I see there is another digest, and, as always, I am behind. So you have probably had many answers to your question, but I still wanted to add my own perspective. I described in a previous post how happy I was to find my Chandi, which by now you surely know is a scripture, the Chandi Path, lovingly translated by Swamiji to be in accordance with our current time and understanding. It never ceases to amaze me how well these translations speak to me, when others do not. Pranams to Swamiji. When I found my Chandi book, I picked Her up; I hugged Her; I kissed Her. This may sound a bit strange, but it was a meeting of old friends. The Path part of Chandi Path means reciting or chanting, so Chandi Path means reciting/chanting the Chandi. Even though by the time I found her, I was late for the Navaratri sankalpa, I started reciting again right away. I will not finish by the end of Navaratri, but I will continue because my relationship with Maa Chandi gives me peace, and I felt embraced in the arms of Ma Durga and all Her Goddesses. So surely someone has told you that the Chandi Path is an ancient scripture and also a system of worship. Like many of the scriptures, Swamiji has lovingly translated, you can use all or part of the Chandi to do puja (worship). Or you can do what I did. When I first got my copy. I read it all the way through, both the Sanskrit and the English. And then I read it again ... I think I read it about five times. The Chandi is full of beauty; it is full of Peace, and it is also a story ... about how Durga and Her band of Goddesses slew the soldiers of the Army of the Great Ego. Chief among these soldiers were Too Much and Too Little, also Self Conceit and Self Deprecation. Yesterday, I had to make an emergency call to my therapist because, the pain of losing my husband is so great that I was doing things I knew were not good for me ... like begging him to stay, or breaking down all the time in front of him. This is Self Deprecation. He told me I had to stop doing that. Then Chandi Maa helps me to stop. How does this magic occur? I can't tell you. You have to discover it for yourself. When I read through the first sections, ahhhhhhhh, I felt protected by Ma Durga and all the Goddesses ~ Saraswati, Kali, Laksmi. Then I got to the section about Peace ... I have an old copy, so giving you the page number would be of no use, and I suppose, if I want to try and participate in future Chandi sankalpas, I need to get a copy of the newest version, so I am on the same page as everyone else. Reading this was healing nectar to my broken heart. It also reminded me about when my hubby and I took our long rv trip through New Mexico, looking for a place where we would want to settle. During the trip I was subject to constant outbursts of anger (yelling and screaming). I spent too much time, after these episodes, stumbling around various parts of the southwest, somewhat out of my mind. At one rv park where we stayed, he yelled and screamed so much that I became really frightened. I ran, then fell down the hill we had been standing at the top of and ran into the park office where I hid, shaking, under a table in the corner. The questions people may have about why I would stay with such a person still confuse even me. I grew up with abuse, and my hubby is almost a replica of my father. And, as seems to be the case, it only got worse over time. My family had all stopped speaking to me, so I had no place else to go. I was and am ill, and I felt I had no choice. But the point I want to bring forth is that all the way back then, on our return trip to Oregon, I kept reading and reciting a particular section of the Chandi Path book over and over and over. I also repeated the Durga mantra over and over and over, and that is how I kept my sanity when we went back to get our stuff. Here is a very brief passage from this section (I will just put the English): "Peace in the heavens, Peace on the earth, Peace upwards and permeating the atmosphere; Peace upwards, over on all sides and further, Peace to us, Peace to all vegetation; Peace to all that has form, Peace to all causes and effects; Peace to all existence, and to all intensities of reality including all and everything; Peace be to us..." Of course, I very much related to the "all intensities of reality" part. There are a few more verses to this section, but this is enough to give you an idea. Here is the Durga Mantra, which also helped keep me sane during this trip, and even today, it is the mantra I use most of the time: Om Hrim Srim Dum Durgayai Namaha (If I have not gotten this right, sadhu friends, please put the correct version for senka.) Now Chandi Maa and Chandi Path are helping me cope with the ending of this relationship, and aiding me in behaving, as Swamiji would say, as "a great renunciate." Someone recently posted a website address that has some of the most beautiful pictures of Durga I have ever seen. Here is the link: http://www.cyberastro.com/durga.htm I would recommend that, as soon as you can, to order a copy of the Chandi Path from the Shree Maa bookstore, and just begin reading, at your own pace. Here is the link: http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal-4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/96 Swamiji always says, (paraphrase): each according to his capacity. For me this is an immense blessing, since I can never keep up and am always behind. But for those who are healthy and have the time, Swamiji and his band of creative sadhus at the Devi Mandir have created all sorts of wonders (video clips on the website, for example), classes you can participate in online or by watching the podcasts from the Mandir. Someone who is at the Mandir can tell you more about these. Discover the wonder of the Chandi. It is too late to be part of the Navaratri sankalpa, but everyone here knows that this little turtle (me) is always behind in every sankalpa. Still I try, and I think there is value in that. And there is great value in making friends with Ma Durga and Chandi Path. Even just telling about it makes me feel happy. Jai Maa , Jai Swamiji ~ Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Linda, Your post was full of the love and faith for Divine Mother that will surely bring you the best of life's blessings. Your enthusiasim was very apparent and your determination in the face of your health and relationship problems was both beautiful and inspiring. As Mother would say, "keep going forward", I know God will bring you many blessings. Your zeal inspires me. Jai Maa! Chris , nierika wrote: > > > senka wrote: > > hello > please can some one tell me what is chandi? > > > Dear senka ~ by now, I see there is another digest, and, as always, I am > behind. So you have probably had many answers to your question, but I still > wanted to add my own perspective. > > I described in a previous post how happy I was to find my Chandi, which by > now you surely know is a scripture, the Chandi Path, lovingly translated by > Swamiji to be in accordance with our current time and understanding. It never > ceases to amaze me how well these translations speak to me, when others do not. > Pranams to Swamiji. > > When I found my Chandi book, I picked Her up; I hugged Her; I kissed Her. > This may sound a bit strange, but it was a meeting of old friends. The Path part > of Chandi Path means reciting or chanting, so Chandi Path means > reciting/chanting the Chandi. Even though by the time I found her, I was late for the > Navaratri sankalpa, I started reciting again right away. I will not finish by > the end of Navaratri, but I will continue because my relationship with Maa > Chandi gives me peace, and I felt embraced in the arms of Ma Durga and all Her > Goddesses. > > So surely someone has told you that the Chandi Path is an ancient scripture > and also a system of worship. Like many of the scriptures, Swamiji has > lovingly translated, you can use all or part of the Chandi to do puja (worship). Or > you can do what I did. When I first got my copy. I read it all the way > through, both the Sanskrit and the English. And then I read it again ... I think I > read it about five times. > > The Chandi is full of beauty; it is full of Peace, and it is also a story > ... about how Durga and Her band of Goddesses slew the soldiers of the Army of > the Great Ego. Chief among these soldiers were Too Much and Too Little, also > Self Conceit and Self Deprecation. Yesterday, I had to make an emergency call > to my therapist because, the pain of losing my husband is so great that I was > doing things I knew were not good for me ... like begging him to stay, or > breaking down all the time in front of him. This is Self Deprecation. He told > me I had to stop doing that. Then Chandi Maa helps me to stop. How does this > magic occur? I can't tell you. You have to discover it for yourself. > > When I read through the first sections, ahhhhhhhh, I felt protected by Ma > Durga and all the Goddesses ~ Saraswati, Kali, Laksmi. Then I got to the section > about Peace ... I have an old copy, so giving you the page number would be > of no use, and I suppose, if I want to try and participate in future Chandi > sankalpas, I need to get a copy of the newest version, so I am on the same page > as everyone else. Reading this was healing nectar to my broken heart. It a > lso reminded me about when my hubby and I took our long rv trip through New > Mexico, looking for a place where we would want to settle. During the trip I was > subject to constant outbursts of anger (yelling and screaming). I spent too > much time, after these episodes, stumbling around various parts of the > southwest, somewhat out of my mind. At one rv park where we stayed, he yelled and > screamed so much that I became really frightened. I ran, then fell down the > hill we had been standing at the top of and ran into the park office where I > hid, shaking, under a table in the corner. > > The questions people may have about why I would stay with such a person > still confuse even me. I grew up with abuse, and my hubby is almost a replica of > my father. And, as seems to be the case, it only got worse over time. My > family had all stopped speaking to me, so I had no place else to go. I was and am > ill, and I felt I had no choice. But the point I want to bring forth is that > all the way back then, on our return trip to Oregon, I kept reading and > reciting a particular section of the Chandi Path book over and over and over. I > also repeated the Durga mantra over and over and over, and that is how I kept > my sanity when we went back to get our stuff. Here is a very brief passage > from this section (I will just put the English): > > "Peace in the heavens, Peace on the earth, Peace upwards and permeating the > atmosphere; Peace upwards, over on all sides and further, Peace to us, Peace > to all vegetation; Peace to all that has form, Peace to all causes and > effects; Peace to all existence, and to all intensities of reality including all and > everything; Peace be to us..." > > Of course, I very much related to the "all intensities of reality" part. > There are a few more verses to this section, but this is enough to give you an > idea. > > Here is the Durga Mantra, which also helped keep me sane during this trip, > and even today, it is the mantra I use most of the time: Om Hrim Srim Dum > Durgayai Namaha > (If I have not gotten this right, sadhu friends, please put the correct > version for senka.) > > Now Chandi Maa and Chandi Path are helping me cope with the ending of this > relationship, and aiding me in behaving, as Swamiji would say, as "a great > renunciate." Someone recently posted a website address that has some of the most > beautiful pictures of Durga I have ever seen. Here is the link: > _http://www.cyberastro.com/durga.htm_ (http://www.cyberastro.com/durga.htm) > > I would recommend that, as soon as you can, to order a copy of the Chandi > Path from the Shree Maa bookstore, and just begin reading, at your own pace. > Here is the link: > _http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal-4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/96_ > (http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal-4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/96) > > Swamiji always says, (paraphrase): each according to his capacity. For me > this is an immense blessing, since I can never keep up and am always behind. But > for those who are healthy and have the time, Swamiji and his band of > creative sadhus at the Devi Mandir have created all sorts of wonders (video clips on > the website, for example), classes you can participate in online or by > watching the podcasts from the Mandir. Someone who is at the Mandir can tell you > more about these. > > Discover the wonder of the Chandi. It is too late to be part of the > Navaratri sankalpa, but everyone here knows that this little turtle (me) is always > behind in every sankalpa. Still I try, and I think there is value in that. And > there is great value in making friends with Ma Durga and Chandi Path. Even > just telling about it makes me feel happy. Jai Maa , Jai Swamiji ~ Linda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Senka, I didn't respond to your question because I felt there were others far better qualified. Apparently, most everyone is distracted by the holidays, and aren't coming around much(it's the same every year). I haven't practiced the Chandi Path very much, and don't understand Chandi very well. I do recall Swamiji saying the Chandi is actually Mahalakshmi,though. If you want to learn more about the Divine Mother, really the only way is to practice (and hang around here for a long time). It is generally recommended that one start out practicing one of the simpler pujas, like the Durga Puja. That book can be purchased from the Devi Mandir website (there's a link near the bottom of the Home page of this site) at a nominal price. There's also a transcript of a puja class (Shiva Puja) in the files section of this site that will help you get started, once you get the book. You can also do mantra japa of a devi's mula (root) mantra. Jai Maa! Chris , senka parks <swsaj wrote: > > you are the first post i read with this description. i am slow and ill health limits my ability to be online at times so i might have missed any other answeres. i am indeed amazed. i had no idea what this all was. so now i see i can purchase this book and learn what chandi is. that is fantastic news. i dont really know who durga is. i studied vaisnavasm, bhakti yoga, hatha yoga, and tibetan buddhism. so thats the limit of my understanding so far. you can well see how truly neophyte i am. we did not learn who the goddess was. what her forms are and what she gives for us. i feel i am entering a new phase of life. finally accepting my state of physical health and life circumstances. so that frees me up to learn and open my mind and heart. i know what it is to be with some one and long for their presence even though they may be abusive. my husband was very violent and i had to put him in jail when he tried to murder my oldest daughter. it was hard to do as i loved him and was > loyal. but he was dangerous. many years later i still missed him. he was my guru. but as time went on i seemed to find a self worth. and for me a part of this was in making a decision not to remarry or find a partner. so i focused on family and spirit. my physical health deteriorated while my mental health became peaceful. now i find i am more open to the universe. your explanation and descriptions of your feelings when you found your chandi are very moving. i am analytical by nature. aloof. so warmth and love are not easy. and through these kinds of descriptions my heart opens. i am always humbled, and amazed by the depth and brilliance of the people in this group. i feel it is a gift from the Gurus. but i am much to fallen to actually know anything. > > in gratitude > senka > > nierika wrote: senka wrote: > hello > please can some one tell me what is chandi? > > Dear senka ~ by now, I see there is another digest, and, as always, I am behind. So you have probably had many answers to your question, but I still wanted to add my own perspective. > > I described in a previous post how happy I was to find my Chandi, which by now you surely know is a scripture, the Chandi Path, lovingly translated by Swamiji to be in accordance with our current time and understanding. It never ceases to amaze me how well these translations speak to me, when others do not. Pranams to Swamiji. > > When I found my Chandi book, I picked Her up; I hugged Her; I kissed Her. This may sound a bit strange, but it was a meeting of old friends. The Path part of Chandi Path means reciting or chanting, so Chandi Path means reciting/chanting the Chandi. Even though by the time I found her, I was late for the Navaratri sankalpa, I started reciting again right away. I will not finish by the end of Navaratri, but I will continue because my relationship with Maa Chandi gives me peace, and I felt embraced in the arms of Ma Durga and all Her Goddesses. > > So surely someone has told you that the Chandi Path is an ancient scripture and also a system of worship. Like many of the scriptures, Swamiji has lovingly translated, you can use all or part of the Chandi to do puja (worship). Or you can do what I did. When I first got my copy. I read it all the way through, both the Sanskrit and the English. And then I read it again ... I think I read it about five times. > > The Chandi is full of beauty; it is full of Peace, and it is also a story ... about how Durga and Her band of Goddesses slew the soldiers of the Army of the Great Ego. Chief among these soldiers were Too Much and Too Little, also Self Conceit and Self Deprecation. Yesterday, I had to make an emergency call to my therapist because, the pain of losing my husband is so great that I was doing things I knew were not good for me ... like begging him to stay, or breaking down all the time in front of him. This is Self Deprecation. He told me I had to stop doing that. Then Chandi Maa helps me to stop. How does this magic occur? I can't tell you. You have to discover it for yourself. > > When I read through the first sections, ahhhhhhhh, I felt protected by Ma Durga and all the Goddesses ~ Saraswati, Kali, Laksmi. Then I got to the section about Peace ... I have an old copy, so giving you the page number would be of no use, and I suppose, if I want to try and participate in future Chandi sankalpas, I need to get a copy of the newest version, so I am on the same page as everyone else. Reading this was healing nectar to my broken heart. It also reminded me about when my hubby and I took our long rv trip through New Mexico, looking for a place where we would want to settle. During the trip I was subject to constant outbursts of anger (yelling and screaming). I spent too much time, after these episodes, stumbling around various parts of the southwest, somewhat out of my mind. At one rv park where we stayed, he yelled and screamed so much that I became really frightened. I ran, then fell down the hill we had been standing at the top of and ran into > the park office where I hid, shaking, under a table in the corner. > > The questions people may have about why I would stay with such a person still confuse even me. I grew up with abuse, and my hubby is almost a replica of my father. And, as seems to be the case, it only got worse over time. My family had all stopped speaking to me, so I had no place else to go. I was and am ill, and I felt I had no choice. But the point I want to bring forth is that all the way back then, on our return trip to Oregon, I kept reading and reciting a particular section of the Chandi Path book over and over and over. I also repeated the Durga mantra over and over and over, and that is how I kept my sanity when we went back to get our stuff. Here is a very brief passage from this section (I will just put the English): > > "Peace in the heavens, Peace on the earth, Peace upwards and permeating the atmosphere; Peace upwards, over on all sides and further, Peace to us, Peace to all vegetation; Peace to all that has form, Peace to all causes and effects; Peace to all existence, and to all intensities of reality including all and everything; Peace be to us..." > > Of course, I very much related to the "all intensities of reality" part. There are a few more verses to this section, but this is enough to give you an idea. > > Here is the Durga Mantra, which also helped keep me sane during this trip, and even today, it is the mantra I use most of the time: Om Hrim Srim Dum Durgayai Namaha > (If I have not gotten this right, sadhu friends, please put the correct version for senka.) > > Now Chandi Maa and Chandi Path are helping me cope with the ending of this relationship, and aiding me in behaving, as Swamiji would say, as "a great renunciate." Someone recently posted a website address that has some of the most beautiful pictures of Durga I have ever seen. Here is the link: http://www.cyberastro.com/durga.htm > > I would recommend that, as soon as you can, to order a copy of the Chandi Path from the Shree Maa bookstore, and just begin reading, at your own pace. Here is the link: > http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal-4.7.3/taxonomy_menu/55/96 > > Swamiji always says, (paraphrase): each according to his capacity. For me this is an immense blessing, since I can never keep up and am always behind. But for those who are healthy and have the time, Swamiji and his band of creative sadhus at the Devi Mandir have created all sorts of wonders (video clips on the website, for example), classes you can participate in online or by watching the podcasts from the Mandir. Someone who is at the Mandir can tell you more about these. > > Discover the wonder of the Chandi. It is too late to be part of the Navaratri sankalpa, but everyone here knows that this little turtle (me) is always behind in every sankalpa. Still I try, and I think there is value in that. And there is great value in making friends with Ma Durga and Chandi Path. Even just telling about it makes me feel happy. Jai Maa , Jai Swamiji ~ Linda > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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