DEVI as Lover. What does it actually means?

September 29, 2006

Deep,

There is a subtle difference between "Devi as a Lover" as Nora

stated and "Treating Devi as a lover" (Looking at Devi as a lover)

as you said.

What Nora did not say is "Devi - treating the practitioner - as a

Lover."

It is not the "prerogative" of the practitioner to treat Devi as a

Mother or Lover. It is HER "prerogative" as to how to be with the

practitioner.

Same with being a mother, child etc.

Nora said - to paraphrase - to be one with Devi means the

practitioner has to be Shiva. Why? Because, SHE is a pathivratha

(SAdhvyai). Only when SHE decides that the practitioner

is "qualified" (for a lack of a better word) to have the amsa of

Shiva, SHE encourages/guides/demands such a sadhana (of being a

Lover).

But, does that mean that HER being a Mother or HER being a child is

somewhat less? May be not. There is KshethrabAla (not KshetrapAla),

where Shiva is an infant and breast fed by Devi. And of

course, "KAmeswara mukaloka kalpitha Sri Ganeswara" (verse 30 of

Lalitha Sahasranama) - where Lord Ganesh was created by a mere

looking at Shiva's face by Devi.

By implication, being a child of Devi (hmmm, no posts from the

member Child of Devi for a looooooong time), also means being a part

of HER and Shiva.

There is only one difference between the above mentioned sadhana.

Either you do what SHE says or you do what SHE says. ;-)

>From the perspective of shakthi sadhana, yes, one first is initiated

Maha Ganapathy manthra, then Bala, then Panchadasi...Mahashodashi

etc - from being HER son to HER lil self then HER (consort).....

But, why should we care about that while it is HER who decides what

(path) we are (taking)?

G

PS: Shastras and manuscripts say several different things depending

on to which SHE had led the person to.

September 30, 2006

Thanks DP, it encourages when others of ones Sangha lend support.

I would like to extract a small portion of your earlier message, from the DM

> I like to quote from DM Chapter 5, verse 120 :

>

> "He who conquers me in battle, removes my pride and is my match in

> strength in the world shall be my husband."

If I may affirm, Krishna did, and how he danced his way through Life ! Whether on Naga Raj, the Gopi's or Kurukshetra (after all Krishna was an Arahant ;-) ).

Devi is tooooo natkat, sure she means "conquer", but for me this is her play. My Devi must ALWAYS WIN, let me be conquered.... Love You ....UMMA !

September 30, 2006

devi>>>shakthi>>>energy>>>cosmos

namasivayam

http://www.namashivayam.com/

September 30, 2006

As far as I know Devi is everything to a sadhaka or she reveals different aspects of herself one at a time: Mother, lover, friend, confidant, advisor etc etc..........and for women devoted to Her she also reveals yet another aspect.

Tarini

Dhirendra Pal Singh <dpal.singh > wrote:

On 9/28/06, NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Thank you for your response.

Devi, you are welcome.. And off course thanks for your response to.

> But im amused with this statement : As a matter of fact, from what I

> gatherd, the lover form is for those who are not elevated enough

> that they can concentrate on the form of "Devi" in satvaki guna,

> also refered to as "pashu pravarati".( I did not make this up, I

> actualy read it.. )

>

> "Why you are so particular about "Dhoomavathi" sadhana, as it is a

> lower state. one should attain the maha nirvana by upasana of

> Tripurasundari, which is the supreme most Goddess." Remember this

> message? Several of us went berserk when sangar narayanan posted

> that remark. We criticize him etc. So how do you reconcile this with

> what you've just said?

Actually I was hoping that you would say that. The reason I said what I said

was, that in the beging of this thread you had mentioned something like the

following..

************************************************************************************

NMadasamy : As far as I am concern, Devi as the lover is the highest

form of devotion. Mother and child is second best and simplest

because its much easier for simple minded sadhak to related to. But

as a child you remain as a separate entity. Only lovers merge to be

one, that is the purpose of our Sadhana. To merge with the Divine.

*************************************************************************************

If was only after reading this, I though to reply. Had it been "Devi as the

lover" is another way just like "Devi as your mother" or "Devi as your

child" I would have been fine with it. Off couse claimin its the best, is

also the same as saying "Dhoomavati sadhana is not the best".. I hope you

got the point. Off couse if nothing is better then other then there is

nothing to discuss. Its just a matter of which path a person prefers over

the other. Nothing good or bad.

Also again I would like to empashise, its not what I said. Its what I read

in a shastra. I shall be sending more details about it soon, as I have

another question about it.

After that there are a lot of posts, in the email, of different members

saying that "Devi as a lover is best".

Now, Devi, most of the conversations are from people may be bit advanced

then me, but still can make errors. Its like as you have said in one your

emails in the past "a blind leading a blind". So cant give them any

weightage.

See I learned in life, that mostly people will go with what is easy, and not

necessary what is the best. See I still believe that "Treating a woman like

my mother, who is very beautiful, and is in a bikini (just to be polite)",

is far more tougher then "Treatring her as my lover". So thats why when you

say that looking at Devi as your lover is hard, my logical sense is not

buying it. I would assume it to be easy, off course till I have not walked

on that path cant be sure of anything.

Off course, i also believe, if there are no porblems in your way, you are

on a wrong way.

I am trying to learn more about Sri Swami Sivananda. That will carry

weight.

>

> I like to quote from DM Chapter 5, verse 120 :

>

> "He who conquers me in battle, removes my pride and is my match in

> strength in the world shall be my husband."

Oh boy. This is going to tough. You have absolutely taken it out of context.

I will not go into why or under what situations did she said it. But still

would like to point that after she said it to "Mahasura Sugreev", in chapter

5, there were a bunch of folks( Shumbha and Nishumaba, with others) , real

powerful ones (ones who have taken powers from The Devs), who then went to

prove their supremacy over her, in order to her as lover, got their butt

kicked and was killed.

She can't be conquered. Even Lord Shiva, her husband, dare not stop her,

when she as kali was going with the destruction. The only way he could come

up was to lay in her path.

Just rememberd something. Goddess Dhoomavati, she is a widow. So you can't

actually worship her as your lover. However you can worship her as "Mother"

for sure.

So my only issue was "That being lover is the best way". If its the same as

others then off course there are no issues.

Please let me know which shastra/manuscripts are there to back it up, that

would really help me to understand.

Reagrds

Dp

What do you think DEVI mean by this? Who is her lover.. her husband?

>

> What do we understand this term: Becoming Siva?

>

September 30, 2006

Deep,

No, I did not morph anything...rather a different perspective to

what is happening.

Where you can find a confirmation of Sri Vidya upasana....check out

Nora's previous post, where she quoted [bN]. There are certain

people whose words one can take as Veda and other's not. Perhaps DB

or any other well read and amply informed members here can guide you

to certain books if you prefer to take written words of confirmation.

It is important for the seeker to make an attempt to understand.

Sometimes the questions need not be asked explicitly - only SHE

knows the question and the answer will be given, as it had been.

On Rudra Yamala etc....I (as "G") would not know the difference

between "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" and Rudra Yamala or anything

of that sort.

Heck, I once was listening to Phil Collins....

"When I'm feeling blue

All I have to do

Take a look at you

Then I'm not so blue

When I'm in your arms

Nothing seems to matter........"

Felt the same as chanting LSN.

G

PS: I was about to reply to your initial query (message 24104) but

waited for your second posting so your initial feelings of your

current practice being "sort of invalidated" by someone you respect

highly, subside a bit. As I mentioned before perspectives are

different for every practitioner. Everything is correct as per HER.

When your Guru says, "SHE is your Mother," that is what SHE had

defined it for you.

, "Dhirendra Pal Singh"

<dpal.singh wrote:

Now this got me thinking. I have typed couple of lines, and then

deleted them. ...Very nicely you have morphed this into what devi

wants... interesting..

Thats where I began from, as I have made evident in my earlier post

too. If both are considered equal then off course there is nothing

to talk about... Then I would have never posted a reply to this

thread..

Where can I find confirmation to this. I would really like to

ead/know more about it.

Heck no. I don't care. She has always figured out for me, and I

know that she will do it in future too.. However its an important

quality of a seeker to contemplate on himself/herself. Thats what I

was doing.

Dp

PS:Please do read my other post in which I have quoted from

Rudryamla Tantra and Sakti Sangama Tantra. :)Still if you can post

some names I would really love to read more. I am a vigro, knowledge

is something that I cherish a lot.. I am already kind of familiar

with yoni tantra, if thats what you would like to point me to..

Thanks

Dp

[The force is feminine in nature]

October 1, 2006

On 9/29/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred > wrote:

>

> Thanks DP, it encourages when others of ones Sangha lend support.

You are very welcome ji. . But I could not understand the above line "when

others of ones Sangha lend support".. Please explain..

Regards

Dp

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Thanks

Dp

[The force is feminine in nature]

October 1, 2006

What is this "special" aspect Devi reveals to women only. Please don't keep us in suspense !