from alcoholism to spirituality

[Guest guest]

Chandramouliji:

 

 

 

There is not much difference between addiction and spirituality. Like there

isn't much difference between hate and love. The opposite of love is

indifference not hate, and the opposite of spirituality is something like

apathy or numbness.

 

 

 

An alcoholic in one way is trying to numb something but is not succeeding

otherwise they would not keep drinking! I have a friend who was an alcoholic

for 35 years, drinking 12 to 18 bottles of beer everyday. And now he is very

helping people out of addiction. He says that the most difficult thing is

not getting out of addiction but changing the people we hang around with. An

addict has a support system in his/her addiction and needs to create,

surround him/herself with a support group that supports life and

spirituality.

 

 

 

To change hate into love, one needs to realize that one is in love with

fighting something, then notice what it is one is fighting and become aware

of what is really going on. It is just a shift in awareness. Whereas going

from indifference to love, there is much much work to do.

 

 

 

To change addiction into spirituality, one needs to realize that there is

something bigger than self and we don't have to do it alone anymore, and

that what we are trying to numb is exactly what helps us connect with this

something bigger and that is what spirituality is all about really.

 

 

 

There isn't much you can do until your son is willing to do something about

it. So talk to him be in touch with him and let him know how much you care.

And ask God to help your son and leave it to God. When we try to help others

change our self, that very energy creates a reaction in the other against

what we are trying to do. So let your son have his own free will and ask God

for help. But keep in touch with your son so he has someone to talk to and

he knows he is not alone!

 

 

 

Blessings, Awtar

[Guest guest]

Topic 'alcoholism to spirituality' or 'unspirituality to spirituality' or 'material to spiritual', they all sound the same to me personally.

I donot agree that opposite of LOVE is INDIFFERENCE. It cannot be. LOVE is very strong reaction for something/someone outside or inside a person, while INDIFFERENCE is NO REACTION. HATE again is very strong reaction. Indifference is something which kill both these reactions, love and hate.

Also, i donot agree that alcoholic person(or addict like me), is trying to numb something. It is rather the opposite, they are trying to achieve something, that inner state of mind, that high which the substance gave them earlier.

Also, i dont agree that addiction and spirituality have any difference. They are the SAME thing. Even the progression and changes which are displayed in a person are same. A person in a deep trance is no difference than a person in deep toxication.

Even the next state, deep trance to moksha vs. deep toxication to death, is the same. In both the cases, the individual is no more. while living also, its same, a spiritual person donot react to lot of things which he was reacting when he was not spiritual, its the same with taking substance.

Personally, i donot agree or believe with 'higher/ lower' power or self. It is an illusion like any other illusion, same as any other so called non-spiritual illusion. GITA describe this as 'EGO', self, and personally i have till now discovered that it is true. A goal aspiring for HIGHER POWER(spiritual) is no different than a goal aspiring for HIGHER POWER(material). For me, desire to mate with all beautiful woman(material) is, same as desire to activate all my chakra's(spiritual)..

It is desire.

There are NO good/bad - high/low - clean/dirty, self or power or whatever it is called.

For me personally, it is all the same, difference between, when i am meditating and when i am high on substance, is ZERO. they are same.

when i am trying to, through techniques, improve my meditation returns and improve my substance returns, i am doing the same thing..

Both, alcoholism and spirituality, are motivated by DESIRE. and i personally donot think that final result is going to be any different.......

 

kundalini_yoga (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote:

Chandramouliji:

 

There is not much difference between addiction and spirituality. Like there

isn't much difference between hate and love. The opposite of love is

indifference not hate, and the opposite of spirituality is something like

apathy or numbness.

 

An alcoholic in one way is trying to numb something but is not succeeding

otherwise they would not keep drinking! I have a friend who was an alcoholic

for 35 years, drinking 12 to 18 bottles of beer everyday. And now he is very

helping people out of addiction. He says that the most difficult thing is

not getting out of addiction but changing the people we hang around with. An

addict has a support system in his/her addiction and needs to create,

surround him/herself with a support group that supports life and

spirituality.

 

To change hate into love, one needs to realize that one is in love with

fighting something, then notice what it is one is fighting and become aware

of what is really going on. It is just a shift in awareness. Whereas going

from indifference to love, there is much much work to do.

 

To change addiction into spirituality, one needs to realize that there is

something bigger than self and we don't have to do it alone anymore, and

that what we are trying to numb is exactly what helps us connect with this

something bigger and that is what spirituality is all about really.

 

There isn't much you can do until your son is willing to do something about

it. So talk to him be in touch with him and let him know how much you care.

And ask God to help your son and leave it to God. When we try to help others

change our self, that very energy creates a reaction in the other against

what we are trying to do. So let your son have his own free will and ask God

for help. But keep in touch with your son so he has someone to talk to and

he knows he is not alone!

 

Blessings, Awtar