Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 dear sir, Meditation is another medicine for such incurable discomfort. But what is meditation? Meditation is not a mental discipline. Mind is suspended in its activity. Real meditation is possible only by going beyond mental phenomena. Meditation is an energization of our inner spiritual consciousness. It is the functioning of the highest consciousness in us. It begins the moment we transcend the objective and the subjective environment, the limitations of the body, mind, will, heart, life. In this busy fast moving environment an individual at home may find it difficult to practise meditation unless and until he is alone. Maybe meditation hall is one alternative to practise. Personally I tried to meditate but more than 30secs the mind doesnt cling to the process of meditation, the mind keeps shifting to the flow of thoughts, but in this 30secs u feel any physical pain is totally relieved. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Gopuji, Have you ever experienced the pain of migraine personally? Or similar aches such as Cluster headaches or the pain of appendicites or bowel obstruction or even the pain of childbirth (I think you are male so that can be safely ruled out of your experiential reality in this lifetime unless you are a woman and not a man as I think!)? Assuming that you are a trained meditator, have you personally ever and actually tried to initiate a meditation experience when you were experiencing such excruciating pain? Would anyone like to experience such a moment? In the midst of severe pain, seek the solace of meditation? Would anyone wish to experience certainty right in the middle of the biggest turbulence, the greatest uncertainty? Which is what pain is and so was Titanic when it started sinking while you were on it and came to know of that situation!! RR , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear sir, > Meditation is another medicine for such incurable > discomfort. But what is meditation? > > Meditation is not a mental discipline. Mind is > suspended in its activity. Real meditation is possible > only by going beyond mental phenomena. > > Meditation is an energization of our inner spiritual > consciousness. It is the functioning of the highest > consciousness in us. It begins the moment we transcend > the objective and the subjective environment, the > limitations of the body, mind, will, heart, life. > > In this busy fast moving environment an individual at > home may find it difficult to practise meditation > unless and until he is alone. Maybe meditation hall is > one alternative to practise. Personally I tried to > meditate but more than 30secs the mind doesnt cling to > the process of meditation, the mind keeps shifting to > the flow of thoughts, but in this 30secs u feel any > physical pain is totally relieved. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 dear Sri RR, I am not a trainer. I fully agree, it will be verydifficult to meditate when a person experiences a severe pain. But when the pain is about to start in a low intensity manner which any migraine patient can identify and that is the time the person has to try to meditate. Reg myself I have severe cervical spondylitis with an extra rib which causes severe neck pain and gradually leads to one sided headache and sometimes positional vertigo. Along with the neck exercises i am trying to meditate but as i told u in my mail it is very difficult to keep ur mind totally cut of from the rest of ur activity. Migraine is a worst sort of pain like labour pain in a women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I hope you feel better soon, Gopu ji. The point I think that you are making and others too is important! Like jyotish remedies, and karmic remedies (and other remedies, for that matter), an ounce of prevention spread over a lifetime is better than a pound of cure! Meditation, pooja, charity, penance, mantra work much more reliably and powerfully if the practice has started before the karmic arrow hits one. And not all pains and struggles are avoidable even then as why else would we be born if not to experience some growth through pain, subjective or objective! I think that is where jyotish can have a potential role. To suggest to the nativity a lifetime of soul-health plan. Unfortunately, people run to the hospital only when the tumor starts to bleed! Often too late by then!! RR , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear Sri RR, > I am not a trainer. I fully agree, it will be > verydifficult to meditate when a person experiences a > severe pain. But when the pain is about to start in a > low intensity manner which any migraine patient can > identify and that is the time the person has to try to > meditate. Reg myself I have severe cervical > spondylitis with an extra rib which causes severe neck > pain and gradually leads to one sided headache and > sometimes positional vertigo. Along with the neck > exercises i am trying to meditate but as i told u in > my mail it is very difficult to keep ur mind totally > cut of from the rest of ur activity. Migraine is a > worst sort of pain like labour pain in a women. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 or 'perception' thereof! Your move ... ;-) RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > As life rushes by in a blur, as the present age brings about a fast > forward" push button in life and rides it hard where is the time to > plan out in advance. > There again, sir, time becomes the key factor. > regards > > rishi > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > I hope you feel better soon, Gopu ji. > > > > The point I think that you are making and others too is important! > > > > Like jyotish remedies, and karmic remedies (and other remedies, for > > that matter), an ounce of prevention spread over a lifetime is > better > > than a pound of cure! Meditation, pooja, charity, penance, mantra > > work much more reliably and powerfully if the practice has started > > before the karmic arrow hits one. And not all pains and struggles > are > > avoidable even then as why else would we be born if not to > experience > > some growth through pain, subjective or objective! > > > > I think that is where jyotish can have a potential role. To suggest > > to the nativity a lifetime of soul-health plan. Unfortunately, > people > > run to the hospital only when the tumor starts to bleed! Often too > > late by then!! > > > > RR > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear Sri RR, > > > I am not a trainer. I fully agree, it will be > > > verydifficult to meditate when a person experiences a > > > severe pain. But when the pain is about to start in a > > > low intensity manner which any migraine patient can > > > identify and that is the time the person has to try to > > > meditate. Reg myself I have severe cervical > > > spondylitis with an extra rib which causes severe neck > > > pain and gradually leads to one sided headache and > > > sometimes positional vertigo. Along with the neck > > > exercises i am trying to meditate but as i told u in > > > my mail it is very difficult to keep ur mind totally > > > cut of from the rest of ur activity. Migraine is a > > > worst sort of pain like labour pain in a women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Nobody tells me nothing, sir, so how should I know. And certainly not better than you, tell me more! Many a things learnt in jestgul repartees! rishi --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > I forgot to add, in my jestful reparte'e, Rishi -- > perception of time > moves in synchrony with the perception of breath... > > Of course you know all that well, perhaps a lot > better than me ... > > RR > > , > "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > or 'perception' thereof! > > > > Your move ... ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , > "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > As life rushes by in a blur, as the present age > brings about a > fast > > > forward" push button in life and rides it hard > where is the time > > to > > > plan out in advance. > > > There again, sir, time becomes the key factor. > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > , > "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope you feel better soon, Gopu ji. > > > > > > > > The point I think that you are making and > others too is > important! > > > > > > > > Like jyotish remedies, and karmic remedies > (and other remedies, > > for > > > > that matter), an ounce of prevention spread > over a lifetime is > > > better > > > > than a pound of cure! Meditation, pooja, > charity, penance, > mantra > > > > work much more reliably and powerfully if the > practice has > > started > > > > before the karmic arrow hits one. And not all > pains and > struggles > > > are > > > > avoidable even then as why else would we be > born if not to > > > experience > > > > some growth through pain, subjective or > objective! > > > > > > > > I think that is where jyotish can have a > potential role. To > > suggest > > > > to the nativity a lifetime of soul-health > plan. Unfortunately, > > > people > > > > run to the hospital only when the tumor starts > to bleed! Often > > too > > > > late by then!! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , K > Gopu <kgopu_24@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Sri RR, > > > > > I am not a trainer. I fully agree, it will > be > > > > > verydifficult to meditate when a person > experiences a > > > > > severe pain. But when the pain is about to > start in a > > > > > low intensity manner which any migraine > patient can > > > > > identify and that is the time the person has > to try to > > > > > meditate. Reg myself I have severe cervical > > > > > spondylitis with an extra rib which causes > severe neck > > > > > pain and gradually leads to one sided > headache and > > > > > sometimes positional vertigo. Along with the > neck > > > > > exercises i am trying to meditate but as i > told u in > > > > > my mail it is very difficult to keep ur mind > totally > > > > > cut of from the rest of ur activity. > Migraine is a > > > > > worst sort of pain like labour pain in a > women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > spam protection > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Ranjanda, All that which is natural is profound too and like always, I stand to gain. regards rishi , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rishi, > > Like always, I was not trying to say something profound, for I have > nothing profound to say, like always. I think time is not absolute > but an elastic concept which is stretched or shrunk by our > perception. This may seem counter to observation because don't we > have absolute measures of time, concrete and reproducible and > validatable units (sec, min etc) which can be compared with other > instruments of measurement. But taking a simple watch for instance, > are we really looking at time or distance? Two identical watches, one > in USA and another in India are showing different times, but are > moving at the same rate, moving the same distance (levers, gears > etc). Are they really measuring and showing time? > > RR > > , rishi shukla > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Nobody tells me nothing, sir, so how should I know. > > And certainly not better than you, tell me more! > > Many a things learnt in jestgul repartees! > > rishi > > > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > I forgot to add, in my jestful reparte'e, Rishi -- > > > perception of time > > > moves in synchrony with the perception of breath... > > > > > > Of course you know all that well, perhaps a lot > > > better than me ... > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > or 'perception' thereof! > > > > > > > > Your move ... ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As life rushes by in a blur, as the present age > > > brings about a > > > fast > > > > > forward" push button in life and rides it hard > > > where is the time > > > > to > > > > > plan out in advance. > > > > > There again, sir, time becomes the key factor. > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you feel better soon, Gopu ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I think that you are making and > > > others too is > > > important! > > > > > > > > > > > > Like jyotish remedies, and karmic remedies > > > (and other remedies, > > > > for > > > > > > that matter), an ounce of prevention spread > > > over a lifetime is > > > > > better > > > > > > than a pound of cure! Meditation, pooja, > > > charity, penance, > > > mantra > > > > > > work much more reliably and powerfully if the > > > practice has > > > > started > > > > > > before the karmic arrow hits one. And not all > > > pains and > > > struggles > > > > > are > > > > > > avoidable even then as why else would we be > > > born if not to > > > > > experience > > > > > > some growth through pain, subjective or > > > objective! > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is where jyotish can have a > > > potential role. To > > > > suggest > > > > > > to the nativity a lifetime of soul-health > > > plan. Unfortunately, > > > > > people > > > > > > run to the hospital only when the tumor starts > > > to bleed! Often > > > > too > > > > > > late by then!! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , K > > > Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Sri RR, > > > > > > > I am not a trainer. I fully agree, it will > > > be > > > > > > > verydifficult to meditate when a person > > > experiences a > > > > > > > severe pain. But when the pain is about to > > > start in a > > > > > > > low intensity manner which any migraine > > > patient can > > > > > > > identify and that is the time the person has > > > to try to > > > > > > > meditate. Reg myself I have severe cervical > > > > > > > spondylitis with an extra rib which causes > > > severe neck > > > > > > > pain and gradually leads to one sided > > > headache and > > > > > > > sometimes positional vertigo. Along with the > > > neck > > > > > > > exercises i am trying to meditate but as i > > > told u in > > > > > > > my mail it is very difficult to keep ur mind > > > totally > > > > > > > cut of from the rest of ur activity. > > > Migraine is a > > > > > > > worst sort of pain like labour pain in a > > > women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > > spam protection > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 But I have fear of depths, Rishi. In astrology too, that which is simple has always got my attention -- simple concepts such as arudha/pada, bhavat bhavam, the KP explanation of nakshatra and dasha links, ashtakavarga etc. RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Ranjanda, > All that which is natural is profound too and like always, I stand to > gain. > regards > rishi > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Rishi, > > > > Like always, I was not trying to say something profound, for I have > > nothing profound to say, like always. I think time is not absolute > > but an elastic concept which is stretched or shrunk by our > > perception. This may seem counter to observation because don't we > > have absolute measures of time, concrete and reproducible and > > validatable units (sec, min etc) which can be compared with other > > instruments of measurement. But taking a simple watch for instance, > > are we really looking at time or distance? Two identical watches, > one > > in USA and another in India are showing different times, but are > > moving at the same rate, moving the same distance (levers, gears > > etc). Are they really measuring and showing time? > > > > RR > > > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Nobody tells me nothing, sir, so how should I know. > > > And certainly not better than you, tell me more! > > > Many a things learnt in jestgul repartees! > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > I forgot to add, in my jestful reparte'e, Rishi -- > > > > perception of time > > > > moves in synchrony with the perception of breath... > > > > > > > > Of course you know all that well, perhaps a lot > > > > better than me ... > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , > > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > or 'perception' thereof! > > > > > > > > > > Your move ... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As life rushes by in a blur, as the present age > > > > brings about a > > > > fast > > > > > > forward" push button in life and rides it hard > > > > where is the time > > > > > to > > > > > > plan out in advance. > > > > > > There again, sir, time becomes the key factor. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you feel better soon, Gopu ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I think that you are making and > > > > others too is > > > > important! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like jyotish remedies, and karmic remedies > > > > (and other remedies, > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter), an ounce of prevention spread > > > > over a lifetime is > > > > > > better > > > > > > > than a pound of cure! Meditation, pooja, > > > > charity, penance, > > > > mantra > > > > > > > work much more reliably and powerfully if the > > > > practice has > > > > > started > > > > > > > before the karmic arrow hits one. And not all > > > > pains and > > > > struggles > > > > > > are > > > > > > > avoidable even then as why else would we be > > > > born if not to > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > some growth through pain, subjective or > > > > objective! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is where jyotish can have a > > > > potential role. To > > > > > suggest > > > > > > > to the nativity a lifetime of soul-health > > > > plan. Unfortunately, > > > > > > people > > > > > > > run to the hospital only when the tumor starts > > > > to bleed! Often > > > > > too > > > > > > > late by then!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , K > > > > Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Sri RR, > > > > > > > > I am not a trainer. I fully agree, it will > > > > be > > > > > > > > verydifficult to meditate when a person > > > > experiences a > > > > > > > > severe pain. But when the pain is about to > > > > start in a > > > > > > > > low intensity manner which any migraine > > > > patient can > > > > > > > > identify and that is the time the person has > > > > to try to > > > > > > > > meditate. Reg myself I have severe cervical > > > > > > > > spondylitis with an extra rib which causes > > > > severe neck > > > > > > > > pain and gradually leads to one sided > > > > headache and > > > > > > > > sometimes positional vertigo. Along with the > > > > neck > > > > > > > > exercises i am trying to meditate but as i > > > > told u in > > > > > > > > my mail it is very difficult to keep ur mind > > > > totally > > > > > > > > cut of from the rest of ur activity. > > > > Migraine is a > > > > > > > > worst sort of pain like labour pain in a > > > > women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > > > spam protection > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 But where does depth come in the picture. All that is natural is simple and all that is natural and simple is profound is what we are saying. In astrology too, all these simple concepts you mention cumulatively become so heavy that one cant dive into them. Individually, they are simple yet not complete on their own. Ma always keeps the difficulty level one step beyond the child. regards rishi --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > But I have fear of depths, Rishi. > In astrology too, that which is simple has always > got my attention -- > simple concepts such as arudha/pada, bhavat bhavam, > the KP > explanation of nakshatra and dasha links, > ashtakavarga etc. > > RR > > , > "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > Ranjanda, > > All that which is natural is profound too and like > always, I stand > to > > gain. > > regards > > rishi > > > > , > "Rohiniranjan" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Rishi, > > > > > > Like always, I was not trying to say something > profound, for I > have > > > nothing profound to say, like always. I think > time is not > absolute > > > but an elastic concept which is stretched or > shrunk by our > > > perception. This may seem counter to observation > because don't we > > > have absolute measures of time, concrete and > reproducible and > > > validatable units (sec, min etc) which can be > compared with other > > > instruments of measurement. But taking a simple > watch for > instance, > > > are we really looking at time or distance? Two > identical watches, > > one > > > in USA and another in India are showing > different times, but are > > > moving at the same rate, moving the same > distance (levers, gears > > > etc). Are they really measuring and showing > time? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , rishi > shukla > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nobody tells me nothing, sir, so how should I > know. > > > > And certainly not better than you, tell me > more! > > > > Many a things learnt in jestgul repartees! > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I forgot to add, in my jestful reparte'e, > Rishi -- > > > > > perception of time > > > > > moves in synchrony with the perception of > breath... > > > > > > > > > > Of course you know all that well, perhaps a > lot > > > > > better than me ... > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > or 'perception' thereof! > > > > > > > > > > > > Your move ... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As life rushes by in a blur, as the > present age > > > > > brings about a > > > > > fast > > > > > > > forward" push button in life and rides > it hard > > > > > where is the time > > > > > > to > > > > > > > plan out in advance. > > > > > > > There again, sir, time becomes the key > factor. > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you feel better soon, Gopu ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I think that you are making > and > > > > > others too is > > > > > important! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like jyotish remedies, and karmic > remedies > > > > > (and other remedies, > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that matter), an ounce of prevention > spread > > > > > over a lifetime is > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > than a pound of cure! Meditation, > pooja, > > > > > charity, penance, > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > work much more reliably and powerfully > if the > > > > > practice has > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > before the karmic arrow hits one. And > not all > > > > > pains and > > > > > struggles > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > avoidable even then as why else would > we be > > > > > born if not to > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > some growth through pain, subjective > or > > > > > objective! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is where jyotish can have > a > > > > > potential role. To > > > > > > suggest > > > > > > > > to the nativity a lifetime of > soul-health > > > > > plan. Unfortunately, > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > run to the hospital only when the > tumor starts > > > > > to bleed! Often > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > late by then!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , K > > > > > Gopu <kgopu_24@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Sri RR, > > > > > > > > > I am not a trainer. I fully agree, > it will > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > verydifficult to meditate when a > person > > > > > experiences a > > > > > > > > > severe pain. But when the pain is > about to > > > > > start in a > > > > > > > > > low intensity manner which any > migraine > > > > > patient can > > > > > > > > > identify and that is the time the > person has > > > > > to try to > > > > > > > > > meditate. Reg myself I have severe > cervical > > > > > > > > > spondylitis with an extra rib which > causes > > > > > severe neck > > > > > > > > > pain and gradually leads to one > sided > > > > > headache and > > > > > > > > > sometimes positional vertigo. 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